The Zach and Pat Show
61. Breaking Down 5 AM Club
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So I bought a couple of cases and figured it'd be good for us to drink while we sit and talk. - Oh, yeah. - So make us smarter, you know? - The conversations are gonna be so much better. - Oh my gosh. Yeah, I go downstairs and Gina's like, so is it a, did it help? And I was like, I don't know. Yeah, I think so. - I feel good. - I don't feel good, no for real. - I feel clear-minded. - I do feel clear-minded. It's great. - I think it's worth mentioning though, I did finish ghost energy drink on the way over here. - Oh, but this isn't like making me spazz out. - No, no, I mean, it's only got 120 milligrams. So it's, you know, we're used to drinking energy drinks that have, you know, 200 plus, so, you know. - I remember back in the days where you would only crank one, is that like 300? No, you drink like a fucking rain, bro, bro, what's- - Bang. - Or bang, both of them just do it at the end of it. Like, that's when I had to start like saying, no, 200 is enough for energy drink, 300 is too much. - I know I love those black rifle 300s. I got one of those downstairs. - I think that's, as coffee though, I think that's a little different. I mean, you're not drinking super creatine from bang energy. - Super creatine, that was always my favorite. - No, you know, they got sued for that? - Yeah. - Good. - Yeah, 'cause it's like, how is creatine not a hydrate super? - When you're- - Make it super. - When your CEO runs around like a Willy Wonka douche bag for multiple years on end, and you're clearly selling someone a farcical product, which don't get me wrong, some bang flavors were good. - Oh, they were great. - I also had really bad taste. I would drink birthday cake, which was a very bad investment. - I liked the birthday cake one. I used to- - You're the only other person out of that one. - I like that one. I like the, I love the black cherry vanilla. - That's right. - I was gonna think with the other ones I- - I never got into bang. - Good for you. - I mean, I really, really- - It blew up real quick and now you want to shit. - I've been a fucking energy drink scene for like- - I didn't become one until I started working at first one. - Me and Gina were talking about it where like, I think it was, it all started for me with, you guys remember AMP? - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - Yeah, it came out like around one of the matrix movies. And I remember, I think I was like in, I was like in seventh or eighth grade. And I remember like going in, we went into like the 7-Eleven there on Telegraph and I was like, "Oh, can I please have one?" I see it on the commercial, I want to try it, you know? And then like, I remember that was my first energy drink. And then like, I think once I started driving and was able to like, stop at gas stations and shit. And like, you know, just to just always buy energy drinks. - Once Monster came around, like the marketing was so geared towards like millennial fucking teenagers. - That's all I had. - That was monster. - I remember I drank three in one day just to be cool. And I was laying there that night and I'm like, "Why do I feel like such garbage?" - Why can't I sleep? - I don't know. - Why did you just do monster vodka shots? - Oh. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - Oh, yeah. That was college. - Monster vodka shots? - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah. - What's the Vegas bombs here? 'Cause that's got monster on it, yeah. - Yeah, I guess it does. - Yeah, we was crown and peach schnapps. - Yeah, and monster. - Oh, buddy of mine that I played with, Rest in Peace, Nolan, he passed away from rain cans, but that was his go-to thing. - Yeah. - Monster vodka. So anytime all the baseball guys get back together and remember it's a Nolan, we're chugging monster vodka's. (laughing) We hate each other, we hate everything after the next day, but boy, we're having fun when we're doing it. - I mean, you could split one big energy run like that between like two or three drinks and like still be equitable with like how you're gonna feel the next day. But you start pushing it like, yeah, I chug three monsters and two fists of vodka. Yeah, you're done. - Yeah, we're buying the ones with the screw-off tops. - Oh, yeah. - We're basically shooting vices. - Chugging monster. - I love those screw-off tops, like the noise that they make. (laughing) Like when you pop 'em. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, those are awesome, so. But it's a book review episode, guys. So, you know, we didn't really talk about it much this past month, so apologize. So probably no one probably read the book with us, but we're gonna talk to you about it anyway. (laughing) 'Cause there's a recommendation. - 'Cause I was a little behind on reading this one. So. (laughing) - Same, same. A lot of life happened in the last, you know, month and month and a half, so. - Yep. But yeah, I mean, we did finish it. - Yeah, no, I just finished it this morning, actually. So it's a really good book. It's The 5 AM Club by Robin Sharma. - Yeah. Yeah, this was recommended to us by a former guest, Adam Marburger. It's one of his, when he has his coaching clients read, it's like one of the required readings, and it was really, actually, I really, really enjoyed it. I liked it a lot. - Yeah, no, I mean, it's not your typical, like, self-help, or like. - And that's what I like to put on it. 'Cause it's a story. - It's a story. - It's a story, but it's like the story of these, I mean, I can guess I can kind of break it down, but, you know, it kind of starts with these, you know, these people who don't know each other, they go, they're all going to some conference. And it was like, you know, it reminded me of this, is how I saw it in my head when I was reading it. It was the, it was like kind of like a Tony Robbins type, seminar, you know, where people are going there to kind of learn stuff. But anyway, these three people kind of meet each other, and how they were labeled as the entrepreneur. It's this woman who's, you know, a workaholic, and, you know-- - Oh, they're businesses they're trying to run her out of. - Yep, exactly. And then there's the artist who's, you know, he's a artist, you know, he's got-- - He's a good artist, but his creativity is lacking. He's never really reached his full potential. And then-- - And then the third guy that they bring up is the homeless guy who ends up being the billionaire, you know? And so this guy, they go to this conference and the guy who's up on the stage passes out in the middle of his-- - Spellbinder. - The spellbinder, yeah, yeah, yeah. He, he felt, he passes out in the middle of the seminar. - I thought he all died. - Yeah, everybody thought he died. And then these people, these three, the homeless guy, the entrepreneur and the artist all basically hang out and talk. And they're all basically listening to the homeless guy. And they soon find out that there's not, this guy isn't just a crazy homeless guy. He's, you know, he's got all these teachings and, you know, he's got all this stuff that he seems to know and basically invites the artist and the entrepreneur to his island and to-- - Teach them the way. - To teach them the ways basically. And we come to find out that it is called, it's the 5 a.m. club is the reason, one of the reasons why he's so successful. And then the rest of the book is, you know, the artist and the entrepreneur kind of going through his teachings on the island and, you know, and learning, you know, kind of what, the way he does, I think that he does. - A little bit of a love story mixed in. - Yeah, and then the entrepreneur and the artist fall in love and get married. - And yeah, it's all scammed. - It's all scammed. - For you guys. - It's a scam. - Yeah. - On a way. - No, but it was really good. - It was good. I enjoyed it 'cause it was definitely a different read than some of the other books, you know, it's stories, which, you know, one of the things-- - Easier to read. - Yeah, one of the ones I want to talk to you about for next one, which is also a lot of stories is like Jocko Willings, like discipline equals freedom. - Yes, I've read that. - You know, I've listened to that one. - Yeah, I think that's one of his books we should do. - Yeah, I love that. - I mean, leadership or whatever. - Yeah, that's the one I've read, economy. - Yeah, discipline equals freedoms as the latest one that came out a few years ago, but yeah, he does a lot of storytelling in that from his time, sir, but this is just a fictional work of art. It was great. I mean, 'cause it's a unique way to go through the concepts of the 5 a.m. clone. Now, honestly, if you're just looking for the concepts, you can skim through and you don't want to read this love story, you can skim through and pick out and get to these. I mean, highlight, it's all the points of it. You can easily skim through and get to the points that you're just wanting to learn and read through it, but it puts a different perspective on it and I thought it was great. - Yeah, it really goes into details on a lot of things, but really the kind of what the 5 a.m. club is, is basically, you know, waking up at 5 a.m. and spending that first hour of your day really investing in yourself, you know, and it kind of bases off the 2020, 2020 principle, which is, you know, 20 minutes of that first hour have to be, has supposed to be movement. The second, 20 minutes is- - Reflection. So journaling, meditating, praying, finding your inner peace. - Journaling? - Yeah, journaling. And then the third concept, third, 20 minutes is growing. So learning, reviewing your goals, read a book, anything. Just listen to podcasts, listen to us. - Yeah. - You know, great time, great time to pick up and listen to 20 minutes of us every morning. - Yeah. - That's a good journey started. But yeah, no, I mean, it's just a great way to kind of get you prepared for the day. And there's just something about, you know, I started doing it, you know, gradually working to 5 a.m. - Yeah, I actually got up at 5 a.m. today. - I was at, I was at 5.30 today, so. But yeah, I mean, there's just something about the morning and getting your day started off, heading in the right direction. - So. - No, man, it's, and this is, you know, I really have not gotten back to this ever since Calvin's been born. You know, and he's two in a couple months now. So it's been a couple of years since I've been on my, my good, I was a man before he was born, I was on such a solid morning routine. And really what it boils down to is me just being fucking lazy and not wanting to wake up. And I'm going to get better and I'm gonna not do that anymore. I'm gonna start just waking up at 5 a.m. 'cause he usually doesn't get up till, you know, 6.30 or 7. So I just need to just wake up earlier and spend that first hour of my day really investing in myself. 'Cause man, even these last couple of days, like just trying to cram this in this book, it's like really got me kind of back. It's got, I feel like I got a little bit of momentum going again, you know? And like today I woke up, I was, you know, I did my 20 minutes of reading this. I really only got about, I did a, I did 20 minutes of this and then I did a 10 minute meditation. And I went out the door to 6 a.m. jujitsu class. But, you know, so I feel like I got, I got all three principles. It wasn't exactly 20 minutes of each. It was an hour and 10 minutes of movement. - Right. - But, you know, and I got the, you know, I got my reading in and then, you know, I got a little meditation in too. So, but those were, those were things that I was used to doing. I mean, I used to wake up and like I had like everything dialed in, like wake up. I made my coffee, I read my 10 pages. I did my 10 minutes of meditation, I journaled my page, and then I would take Cooper for a walk. And that was like my every morning I was doing that, like a religion for a while. And when I was doing it, I just felt so good. And it was kind of, when I was, you know, getting a real estate business, kind of up and, you know, still when I was still relatively new in it. And I would just feel like it really dialed me in. I love the way it made me feel. So I want to get back to doing that. And yeah, so I'm definitely something I'm going to do. So I want you guys to hold me accountable to that. Absolutely. Same, because I was, I was doing it at night and, you know, I'm, I'm a big component of having your alone time, time to yourself. Like I've always, always thought I've always needed that alone time. And it's, it's kind of the point now where things have been so busy for me. I get to the end of the day and I'm just done. Like I don't, like I just want to just lay down, relax and just call it a day. And I was skipping some of this stuff and things that I was doing and just doing it at the end of the day instead of the beginning of the day. So now when I wake up in the morning, I've got a fresh perspective and the energy to do it. And so now I'm definitely going to make sure that I'm up in the morning doing this. And I mean, just get the day started off on the right. It just sets the tone for the day and there's just something about that. Like I always, at least when I was doing it before, I always had some sort of like gratitude portion, at least or at least that's what I always wrote down in the journal. I always like wrote like three things I was thankful for, you know, that day. And I just feel like doing, doing that stuff and just the constant reminder of, you know, being thankful and being, you know, of all the things that have gone, you know, like, I've got, I got a lot to be thankful for. I got a healthy family. I've got a successful business. I get to do this podcast with you guys. I got a lot of shit that I that I have that I should be thankful for. And I need to, you know, remember that and just because I just take it for granted, man. You know, if I look at my, if I went back 10 years ago and looked at myself when I was 21 years old, like, and I, you know, I would be so pumped at how my life is now, you know? And I just need to like, you know, I just take it for granted because it's just the life I live now. But like, man, if I would, if I would look back on, you know, 21 year old Zach, I would have fucking, I'd be, I think I'd be pretty proud of myself and where I'm at now. Now I'm, I'm nowhere near where I want to be. You know, there's a lot of shit I want to do and should I want to do and be and. But, you know, from, from what we've done so far, I'm, you know, I think I've done a decent job. So I want to keep going and, you know, just just being thankful for, for what I've got is something I need to just spend more time doing. Well, I just think it pushes us now to, like, we always talk about wanting to continue to grow and be better than we were the day before, which, you know, there's a lot of things that we're talked about in this book that we also picked up from atomic habits, you know, lots of lots of, you know, get it. Constantly mentioned is getting 1% better every day, which basic prints. That's the basics, a basis of atomic habits. I think it does a great job of diving into the psychology of why this works and why it's, it's good to go go at it this way. And that's something that really triggered in my mind why I need to make the switch from doing it at night to doing it in the morning. Um, you know, but ultimately, I mean, it's, it's a great way I get. If you're doing this and you're doing it correctly, you're going to grow and get better every day. A hundred percent because you can't not. Yeah, you can't not, you know, like, like I said, even just having these handful of days, these last couple of days where I've been kind of cramming this because I didn't read it all all month. I, you know, I'm like, oh man, I miss this stuff. And it's, it's crazy because it's nothing. There's nothing I heard in this book that I read in this book that I had not heard. You know, a lot of these like, you know, self-help type books. A lot of it's very similar stuff, you know, it's a lot of stuff that, you know, you've heard any, any, you know, successful guy talk, you know, well, I don't care if it's Andy Verssella, if it's Tony Robbins, if it's a lot of these guys, they all these uber successful people. They all kind of preach very, very similar things, you know, very similar things. I mean, they have all got their own kind of spin on it. But if you were to like boil it down, it's okay. Well, you know, get up early, do your, you know, do the things that you need to do, better yourself, spend time, you know, exercise, eat well, right, you know, spend time bettering yourself, be thankful, meditate, journal. There's all these things that like all these people do. And I mean, there's, there's a reason that they are where they are, you know, and all these people, you see these repeating patterns of like, oh, he's doing this too or something to that. And I think the reason that this one might stick with us a little bit more is because of the story that's told with total. I mean, you know, a lot of the other ones just come straight at you. Like facts and, and information, like all that, which is great. But when you put a story to it and you put a spin to it, it makes you feel it more. It brings out an emotion. Like when I'm reading some of these other stuff, like, there's not really an emotion to it, you know, and I think maybe that's why they tied in the romance. They're the romance excited, you know, because it's pulling in that feeling and you can evolve with these characters to make basically so you can see how you're going to evolve. And I thought it was great. It might be one of my, it's probably my top 10 or five favorite books that I've read. It's, it's up there for me as well. And, you know, Adam, thank you very much for recommending this book. Like, well done, sir. Yeah. Thank you. Really, really, really enjoyed it. And for, you know, even like last night, like I was, I probably listened to like five or six hours, because I actually, I'm going to admit, I didn't read it. I, I did a auto, I did, I did the audio book because I, and I basically crammed the whole thing in three days. Um, but, you know, even last night, I was like, you know, I was just, I had my headphones in and I was just doing shit around the house. And, and, you know, normally it was like our time where Gina and I kind of hang out. And I was like, honey, I got to get this. We were doing a podcast on this book tomorrow. And I'm still got like five hours to listen. I'm still five hours behind. I need to get something in. But I was like, actually really, really like into it, you know, because of the story, you know, and it's like, I want to see what happens next to these people. Yeah, what are they doing next? You know, like where, where's the next trip with all their in Rome now? Oh shit. Okay, cool. And how are we going to tie this into what we're trying to learn from this book? Exactly. You know, and I, and I, and I think if it was just a, you know, not a story, I wouldn't have been so into it, you know, cause it, man, I used to, when I was younger, man, I used to, I used to read a lot, a lot more fiction, like I never read fiction anymore. And it's a, this kind of reminded me, like, oh, man, like I miss, you know, books where there's a story. And, and a, you know, and maybe I should start reading some more fiction or, you know, maybe we, we do an autobiography or something like that. I think would be cool. I personally, since, you know, I'm on 75 hard and I'm, you know, a very big disciple of Andy. Yeah. I've been in his presence for a long time. It's always been one of the things I've kind of like not light about 75 hard is that fiction is not an option because you can take a lot of practical lessons away from fiction and it's like, okay. So maybe you want to read fiction and maybe it's not necessarily personal development, but maybe it teaches you something on like a socioeconomic context or it teaches you a lesson about history, like 1984 and animal farm and brave new world, like the world that we're moving into right now, hopefully moving away from the idea that like, okay, you as single people as individuals, what happens when the government, you serve too much power from you, watches everything you do. Okay. Well, that's not a true story, but it's meant to take historical context and apply it into a fund to listen to plot or just at least thought provoking. So I, again, also, you know, creative writing major over here, a literature minor over here, dumb as fuck, I recommend people still listen to fiction and still read fiction and not even just like the dystopian stuff that I brought up, but like look at the classic America, the American and English cannons of literature, they're really good books, the things that like build society, like if we're going to talk about like masculinity and entrepreneurship and winning it life, then maybe talking about like the great Gatsby is a great book to read. And not only just because of the fact that the story is so good, but it's like, look at what happens when you make this much money at this point in time, extrapolate that to now. So that's my little way in on fiction. I think fiction definitely still is a great place. Oh, I absolutely. I mean, when I was playing pro ball, I mean, you don't have to be smart to play baseball at all. And it is, it is very easy to get into baseball, only focus on baseball and just come out dumber because you're not all you're thinking about is playing a sport and it, like I said, you don't honestly, baseball is a, in my opinion, is a dumb person is better for not quite, not very smart people. Because the smart people tend to overthink things. And in baseball, that's the last thing you need to do. But for me, I mean, I was reading 30, 40 books a season. Like I was crushing books. I mean, all my pieces, and that's what I was doing. I was just pulling up my Kindle lab to go back and look. Am I like, these are all books that I read while I was playing. So like one of my favorites was Vince Flynn. Um, he had the, um, God, what's the guys, um, he had a character. CIA type book. And then same thing with, um, like David Baldocci, like those, like, they were great. I mean, I, I really enjoyed them and I could crush. They were Tom Clancy, Tom Clancy. Yeah. I mean, I was able to go through and read Stuart Woods is another good one. Uh, that car. Yeah. And, and was able to go through and read a lot of these things and read a lot of these books. And it was like, even though they weren't, you know, self help or anything like that, but I feel I still felt sharp. Like I still like meant I was actually giving my brain. Like I was actually functioning and not just focused on baseball. You need to be able to, I think that's why when you listen or when you read, like David Goggins or Jocko, you get to put yourself in the, the, the theater of the mind of one of these people who you have qualities that you would like to take from them. You'd like to say, like, if I had the discipline of a Navy seal, if I had the physical conditioning of a Navy seal, if I went through all the hardship that David Goggins went through, there's that ability to transport you into another world. Cause there's some really great books out there that are just too fucking dry and academic that like it pulls me out of it. Like, okay, I'll admit this, like, cause I don't necessarily participate in the book club, but I read a lot of the same books. I read like 20 pages of atomic habits. I fucking hated it. Really? Yeah. I mean, I, I just, it's a great book. It really is. And it's not, it's not useful. Right. It, it, what it teaches you, but it was, I mean, it's, it was a tough read to get through. Yeah. Same thing with like, like, like Tim Grover's books, like they're great books. I have no problem getting through Tim Grover. Like, but no, that's the thing is like it's just like he mixes in the stories. But when he's just going on and on about some of the stuff, it's like. I want, I want to hear more of the stories. I'm really winning right now. Yeah. You know, and it's like when you get to hear those stories, especially of Kobe, because such a big part of it is a memorial to him since he just had passed away. You know, the, the cult of personality around those guys, specifically Kobe and MJ. It's just like, of course we want to know how they live lives. We bring all the stuff that like we've never been shown because we want to get that dog in us. We want to know what it's like to really be a cleaner. And it's like, that's, I, I've also, you know, had exchanged some words with Tim Grover. So like, when it's really rough and scratchy voice starts talking and you have to be a winner. Like I, it just works for me. It just works for me. It's like Batman. Tim, Tim's rocking around with the K.B. Cowell, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I, yeah, man, I just, and I think there's something to, and I mean, either, like you, you said a little bit ago, but like there's something to the act of reading, I think. And like there's just, you feel sharper, I think, versus like whether you're reading fiction or nonfiction. I think that just there's something, I think something, there's something that reading does to your brain or it just, I think it helps things form and it makes sentences form better. Like, I don't know. Like speaking about 75 hard, I mean, that's why it's one of those requirements that you have to read and you can't listen to audio. You know, just because, I mean, you're, you're, you're using your brain to read it and comprehend it. You know, it's much more work than just sitting there listening to it. And we talked about it before the last show. Listening to audio books or lists like what, like driving or doing something. Like I'm zoned out. Like I'm not really paying attention. It's just kind of background noise. Yeah. And, you know, I'm not really taking anything from it. So, I mean, I started pretty much book it was, but started a podcast or started an audio book on it. And I got maybe five minutes into it. I'm like, I need to re listen to this. I don't. What the hell did you retain anything? Nothing, nothing. Yeah. And like, and then I'm like, wait, how the hell did I just get where I'm where am I? We're like, like, I just zoned out while I was driving. And I'm like, huh. And I think like if you're going to listen to something, it has to be engaging too. Because I think a lot of the things we try to listen to on audio books a lot of times, like when you read them from off, like a physical page, it's like, oh, well, I'm not really that invested. Like, I like learning about economics, but like I try listening to fucking, what's his name? Thomas Sol's basic economics dries fuck. It's just dry as fuck talking about prices. I try listening to the changing world order by Ray Dalio. It's just, it's dry as fuck. I don't want to hear people reporting to me numbers. I have to have something that really intrigues me. It doesn't mean that I won't learn, but it's like, I do better going to a 10 minute YouTube video, just having pictures and having it just fun fed to me. Right. I mean, it's like for me in college, like sitting in a lecture, trying to take notes and all that stuff. No, I mean, I had to go and read the books. I'd rather read the books myself and just show the test day, honestly. Yeah, we just had a test bank. So that's part of my part of being an fraternity. Oh, we'll test with class one on one, one, three. We got you. Yeah, I got you. Yeah. Sure. There was some athletes that were able to do that in some of the majors that they were doing, but I was. I'm just kidding. I studied a little bit. I didn't. I. Yeah, I was in finance. So I had to because there was no other baseball players. Finance 380 was like the crazy one that I remember everybody ditching about that one. I picked English. So I wouldn't have to take hard science or hard math. The hardest science class I think I did was kinesiology. It was not hard. And I think I got away with like the lowest form of math, like math, like 160. I think was the hardest I had to take. I had to take college algebra and that was it. I don't even think I had to take that. I was able to take one below that. And I remember people like, oh, wait, like that was like the one that was really hard for people to pass. Yeah. Well, I, so I went into college and I had all, I took a bunch of college credits in high school. So that was great. Math was one of those, which was a pre-Calc and then Calc. So I didn't have to take any math classes. And well, obviously I took finance, which is basic math. But I didn't have to take any math classes in college. Well, I, I, if I wouldn't have decided at one point to be a math teacher, which was a thought of mine. Right. Yeah, I love math. And so I, I, I declared my major as teaching and with an emphasis in math. And I had to take every calculus class. And at that point, I'm like, shit, why am I just becoming an engineer? Because yeah, that's the same stuff. And then I. Yeah. So I didn't, hadn't taken a math class since my senior year of high school. And it was the second semester of my sophomore year was the first. So I got a long break and I'm getting thrown into calculus too, which is like the hardest calculus. There is. And we started off for the first part of the, for the first month was just a recap of calculus one. And I was just like, yeah, fuck this. I'm not being a math teacher. No, it was terrible. I was like, it was, it was a foreign language. He's up there rattling stuff off. And we, it was, it was one of those everyday classes. So Monday through Friday. Yeah, it was, I don't think I ever had any of those. That was, that was the only one I had. And I, I think we, after the first month, we were taking quizzes every week. And I hadn't gotten more than a 30% on any of the quizzes. So I'm like, this isn't going to work. I'm not even going to be eligible to play baseball. Yeah. I'm like, that's what's important right now. And so I ended up dropping it and like talking to, talking to my advisors and my parents and some friends. I'm like, what can I do that just math, but basic. And they're like, business, finance, accounting, those things. I'm like, accounting seems kind of boring. Finance seems kind of sexy. Let's go finance. That's money, right? I'll do that one. Yeah. Math and money. I do feel like let's do that. I feel like though, if you did do accounting, though, like, that's such a good, broad math and finance blend that like you can do anything. What we were taught in school was you have to have both accounting and finance and your finance degree. Um, as a finance major, I had to be an, I had to be able to interpret it, interpretate the accounting that's done. So I had to know accounting and how these things are calculated. But then I had to basically translate them into, Hey, how can we make more money from these numbers that were being given? So yeah, I thought finance was a little bit more than accounting. And actually when I was coming out with everything going on in the financial crisis that we were in, financial finance, finance degrees were like hot commodity. So I'm like, cool. I'm glad I picked that. I mean, anything that stem like that, you're definitely going to stand out in a job market of large majors and as your resident liberal arts major, like, yeah, you're definitely more valuable than I am. I can read, there's no one cares. There's not anymore. This shit doesn't matter. Oh, I think it like if you're going to work for a company though, and you can show that you are good with numbers, I think that's definitely more valuable than someone who read fucking Shakespeare. If that says me, I mean, I can write very well. I can, I should have been a comms major. I should have majored in communication. One of my best friends is like the regional manager for a financial company overseeing an entire region and their advisors. And he has his communications degree. Damn straight. Yeah, one of our head of one of Biden's cabinet, like the head of economics. He was a theater major. He couldn't even explain to you why inflation happens. We're fucked, by the way. Yeah, I, uh, man, I'm just so I, I've never had to really, I mean, I actually, I did it very, very briefly when I left the barbecue place to, and I didn't know what the fuck I was going to do. I like started, I have the first time I ever like went and applied for jobs and shit, and I, uh, almost worked for this logistics company for like my dad did. I almost went there. I mean, cause I, I had a buddy that was working there and I was like, oh, it seems like a fun place to work. They got like a ping pong, I got a foosball table, ping pong table. Like, you know, they can wear jeans to work. It seems like she'll place, you know, and, uh, but man, I, I mean, you know, I went through the whole injury process and I got the job. And then I ended up just turning it down. But for those people, I know that there's a ton of people out there that like, you know, I've gone through a million different fucking interviews and shit, like the guy that shit's so stressful. I will be honest, I have never been interviewed for a job. I mean, that that's the only, that's the only like real interview I've ever had. I had like a couple for restaurants, but that's like, like I can just, you just, you know, just kind of show up and the guy asked you a couple of questions. And like, you know, the fact that I can talk, you know, talk some, I can talk good, you know, like, oh, you don't, you have all your teeth and you can speak. And people can understand you. Yeah. You look like you've held a door open for somebody before, you know, like, like, you don't have tattoos on your face or, uh, you know, and, um, yeah, you're hired. Well, I mean, that, yeah, this thing is like in high school, I did catering, which a, uh, a friend of mine was in charge of, a charge of the hiring. And they called me like, Hey, we need people. You want to work? I'm like, sure. And then we'll just keep putting you on the schedule. And then the other one was a heating and cooling company, which was my neighbors company. And he's just basically asked if I, cause he needed people to work during the summer. I said, sure. And then, um, out of college, right into pro ball. I, you don't interview for, I mean, unless my four years of playing time in college, that's my interview. I mean, you're filling out questionnaires for them, like psychological questionnaires and taking psychological tests to make sure you're psychologically ready for that. But that was it. And then, you don't sit down and you might have some conversations with teams, but they're just, they're not really interviews. They're just having a conversation with them. Um, and then straight out of pro ball into this. And yeah, I mean, I've been very fortunate that I haven't had the interview. And I think about that. And I, you know, people, you know, I've had people close to me talk about how they're going in for an interview. I'm like, fuck dude, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry. I've never sounds like it sucks. Yeah, I hope you hope you get it. Good luck. Don't be your typical self. Don't be an asshole. Yeah. You know, so, um, yeah. I mean, I've been very fortunate in that fact that I've had, I haven't had to go through that process because it sounds just sounds like stress. Like, you know, like, I, you know, I had the one at the, I mean, I, I was just sitting here thinking, man, I've had, I've worked a lot of places. You know, I've worked at probably like 10 different restaurants. You know, whether it was pizza, I worked in several different emails, locations here in town, probably like three or four of them. At least I worked at Webster. I guess, no, just Webster and Oakville, never mind. I only worked at two different emails places or maybe not. I worked at a catering banquet center. I worked at a couple of different barbecue restaurants, worked at part time at a couple of bars, like bar backing and stuff and a little bit of bar attending, waited a lot of tables, worked in a lot of, worked in, you know, four different kitchens are more than that. Works in a lot. I've had a lot of shit, but mostly it's been restaurants, you know, and it's kind of, if you worked in one of them, you've, you know, the fact that you have restaurant experience is huge, you know, like when, and if you, especially if you come from like working in a busy restaurant, you know, like that's, you know, like coming from, from sugar fire where they were doing, you know, a hundred grand a week in sales, like that's fucking crazy. Right. You know, people don't, you know, restaurants don't typically do that. You know, like all the other ones I'd worked at were doing like 20 and 30 a month or a week and, you know, then I went into sugar fire and shit. Yeah. Like sugar fires, good food. Service is typically pretty good. The marketing is really marketing's incredible. I mean, and it's an expensive food, you know, like go to go, go, go, go, go, you know, get barbecue for lunch and, you know, you're spending 30 bucks, 30 bucks all day, you know, just for yourself. Yeah, you know, I mean, that's pretty standard, you know, it's, uh, you know, maybe back when I was in it, you know, it was just 10 years ago. It was probably more like 20, right. You know, I used to say, you know, good, good luck, you know, try to go there and not spend 20 bucks. It's hard, you know, but now now it's probably more like 30. There's a space right by my house. That's half barbecue joint, half gun range. Oh, yeah. I want to shooters. It's great. It's actually really good. I've never gone. It's actually really good. Yeah, there's a pleasantly surprised, there's an insurance agent through by this networking group that I'm a part of and we hold a homebuyer's seminar there every year and have them do the food and it is really good. But the thing that like always like kind of trips me out is like right behind it. There's that south side pond and jewelry. They're all connected. Yeah, my buddy works there. And then there's those little apartments and there's this bit open lot. I'm like, yo, if I had to guess where I could buy hard drugs or get shot, it's those little apartments right there. Yeah, for sure. My house is like the line of like where St. Louis stops being the county and starts to be the city. It's a little spot on Graboy and then river to pair. Once you cross river to pair, all bets are off. Yeah, but then you turn left. Go down to St. Louis Hills. It's OK. It's beautiful. Yeah. For sure. But then like you stay there on Graboy and sketchy all the way till you get to about Jeff. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. You know, I always say you want to be on the west side of Graboy. I have directions. I mean, I always know it's north to get to the city. The side that is not the side the rivers on. So basically, if you're driving toward the city, you want to be on the left side. Yeah, yeah, that's the better side. If you go to the right, you know, that's where things get real sketchy. People underestimate the county because people joke like, it's just the east side and the north side. Oh, the south side's still sketchy. Yeah, like you go to the state streets and you don't know where you're at. There's Dutch towns, places like that. You're liable to get your shit kicked in. But, but yeah, I mean, going back to what you're talking about with interviewing. The problem with not having been through the interview process and now, like, trying to grow this team and trying to interview people, I don't, I mean, I just sit down and have conversations. That's all. That's all it really should be. And sit down and talk to them and like my business partner and be like, well, how'd it go? What'd you, you know, how'd the interview go? I'm like, we talked about all sorts of shit. Yeah, he played hockey in high school. Yeah, we know a lot of the same people. Wow, what's his background? What, you know, I'm like, he played hockey in high school. Yeah, he's an athlete. Um, yeah, no, yeah, just talked about it. We just bullshitted for like two hours. Yeah, he's like, Pat, what the hell? I'm like, maybe you should sit down with him. Yeah, well, maybe you just give me a list of questions you want me to ask. Yeah, what do you want me to ask? Yeah, but yeah, that's always funny when it's like, what, like, trying to bring new loan officers on the team to see if they'll work or see if they'll fit or see how their business is doing and just sitting down and just shooting a shit, talking about all sorts of stuff and really not even talking about their, their history or what they do or what they can bring to the table. Right. Well, especially in, in the, you know, the kind of business we're in, where it's, you know, real estate and you're talking to a lot of people, you kind of, you know, pretty quick. Right. If, if someone's going to, you know, if someone's kind of got what it, I mean, you know, and I'm sure I, you could, there's some surprises out there for sure. But, you know, you can tell pretty quickly, like who you think will have a knack for this, you know, especially like who's going to be in, you know, being in like a sales role where you're, you know, totally, you know, eat, which a kill kind of thing. You know, who you're part of the five AM club? Yeah. No, that's the new thing. Yeah. I'm not interested. Yeah. Be a, be a card holding member of the five AM club for, for two months and can come talk to me. Well, that's the thing too, is like the waking, like, as long as you're getting this stuff done, like, I think waking up early and getting it done before the craziness starts, I mean, my phone starts going, like, I wake up and still have emails at five AM, but, you know, it's, I think it's, I, they're automated email. So it's like, I'm having to deal with people right then and there. So it gives you that peace and quiet. But, I mean, ultimately, if you're getting your day started and you're doing these things, depending on no matter what time you wake up and all that, like, I still think as long as you're implementing these things, you can still be successful. I just think it's a great way to get your day started and doing it at a time where there's peace and quiet. It gives you the, it just gives you the atmosphere to be able to knock this stuff out efficiently and effectively. I think that's what makes it best to do it right in early in the morning. Yeah, I agree. I don't have to worry about my kids waking up. Um, yeah, just it's the only time of the how it is only from, you know, when they go to bed to when they wake up, it's the only time that my house is quiet. You know, so it's just a time to get it in. So love you kids, but fuck. You're loud. Yeah. Yeah. 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