The Zach and Pat Show
55. Catching Up 2
(upbeat music) - What is up guys? Welcome back to the Zach and Pat Show. I'm Zach. - I'm Pat. - This is the show about manhood, fatherhood, entrepreneurship and the mentality it takes to the success of those things. And we'll probably spring to this and help a real estate advice too. 'Cause that's the patch of the video. You know guys, I think it's tough. We can go through some things and struggle at times. But this is the show that we're gonna go on. So if you're someone out there and we're gonna do these things, this is the show for you. - What's up guys? Shout out to our friends at NeuroGum for keeping us energized and focused. NeuroGum is a chewing gum with caffeine, L-theanine, B vitamins, 6 and 12. Helps with energy focus. And so it's got a little bit of caffeine about half a cup of coffee. And I chew it all the time. I chew it while I'm driving around, showing houses, working, whenever I'm doing a crossfit workout. Sometimes I'll chew it while I'm doing jujitsu. All we're doing podcast. Yeah, it's great. And it doesn't ever make you feel jittery or there's never like a crash. So, you know, and I've even lately, where with the new baby, I've been working out at night. A lot of times lately, like I've been going, like after we get the kids to bed or on eight o'clock and I'll throw a piece of two of that in and it doesn't heat me up all night. So that's another kind of use I've been using for, using it for lately. So get out there and try some neuroGum. Especially if you're in an airport and you don't want to spend an exorbitant amount of the overpriced shit that they have to charge you. NeuroGum is an amazing alternative. I know from experience. Damn right. I had a lot of flights this last week. I never. Yeah, I want to get into what, yeah, Murph, you've been, we've been, well, we've been taking a little bit of a hiatus. So, you know, the last episodes that you guys have seen, we've been, we've had those kind of banked before, before we had a baby. So my wife, we had a baby, what was it? It'll be two weeks old tomorrow. So we took a little bit of a hiatus there. We had a bunch of episodes kind of prerecorded and stacked up. And then that's kind of what we've been releasing. So it's the first time we're getting together in the last couple of weeks, so. Yeah, life changes part two. And we've got lots of stuff to talk about. So yeah, we had a, we had a baby. So congratulations. We're super, super happy, super excited. Everything's happy, healthy, everything's good. The seat, you know, the T-section went. And I, I can't say enough good things about a scheduled C-section. Because that was the, the simplest. I mean, it was so much different than our first experience at the hospital. You know, we had it all scheduled. I mean, you know, if they were like, all right, you know, get, get to the, get there, you know, the surgery is at 7.30. You need to get there two hours before us. Cause it's like an airport, I guess. You know, you got to get there. You got to get the security. You got to get the security there. Yeah, they got to run you through the TSA and metal detectors. No, but yeah, it was, it was nice. So we got there at like 5.30. Our doctor ended up getting a flat tire. So she was a little bit late. The surgery didn't even, or so we didn't even, she was, Gina was getting wheeled into the operating room at 7.50 in the morning and Theo was born on at 8.10. So I mean, that included the time that she was getting like numbed up and everything like that. So I mean, it's super fast in and out. And we were out of the hospital in like two and a half days. It was awesome, you know, I mean, perfect. Can't complain at all. She's been recovering well. Theo's great, Calvin's adjusting to being a big brother. And yeah, it's been great. I was going to ask, how's Calvin doing? Is he, is he in jealous? He's, he's a little jealous here and there. You know, it's, he's weird about certain things. Like he, he doesn't like when I hold Theo for some reason. He wants, no, mommy holds Theo. No, mommy holds, and we're like, okay. All right, you take him. Just, it's weird. So he's always weird about stuff like that. Like he's weird. If like I pick up Gina's phone and I'm like, and I like, he's like, no, no, no, that's mommy's phone. Or Gina picks up my phone. He'll grab, no, no, no, that's daddy's boy. He's weird about like, no, you're supposed to have that thing. Not you. And it's like, so he's kind of doing that with Theo, which is weird, but he's, he's been really sweet with him. He's always wanting to hold him, which is like, okay. And we're like, all right, you know, and. Yeah, we've got a, you know, a rule, no toys, you know, no toys around Theo because he's always wanting to like play trucks and drive trucks on his head and stuff like that. And so we got to like, you know, manage that. But yeah, I mean, he's been sleeping well. I mean, it's been, it's been great. I can't, can't say enough good things. And that's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I stopped by yesterday to drop some stuff off and the other cool aspect of it is, is Coop. Yeah. Yeah. So for you guys that don't know, Coop is their German Shepherd. And just, and just the way he reacts and just that natural instinct dogs have dogs are fucking amazing. Yeah. Just that natural instinct that he had, like, as soon as I came in, like, he was blocking me from getting anywhere in this house. And it's like, he, and as soon as like I went to go upstairs, he was at the top of the stairs blocking me from coming up. And then like Gina walked out of the room with Theo and she was feeding him. And I was like, I'm walking down the hall to get to the thing and he just wouldn't let me go. Yeah. Well, Gina was like, yeah, hey, Coop, it's fine, it's fine. And he kind of came and just sat next to her. Like, I mean, we, I had the same experience with Duke, but, and then also the same experience with Connor, with Oliver, when Oliver was born. I mean, they don't, I mean, they just, they, it's a new, basically the way I thought was like, Connor looked at it. It's like, oh, it's a new toy for me to play with. Right. You know, and so like, like Connor, well, let's be gentle here. Yeah, Calvin, Calvin totally expected like, you know, 'cause he knew that mommy had a baby in his inner belly and like, there was a baby in there and the baby was going to come out. And like, I think he totally expected Theo to like, come out as a toddler being able to play with him, you know? Like, being able to, just Theo walk, just Theo talk, you know? And it's like, no, he doesn't really do much right now, buddy. He cries, shits and eats. And that's about it. You ever seen the Rugrats movie that had the orange cassette tape? Yeah. It was like whenever like, Dil was born and like, you have the, how many Chuck E. Phil will and all of them, like they were all like less than a, they were like a year old each, but then Dil was born. All he does is cry, shit, and eat. Like, dude, there was a huge dichotomy between like the kids that had been a year old and then that newborn baby. And that's all I could think about if I was him. Yeah. And it's so weird. Like, it's just, you forget how fragile and small they are when they come out, but they're so little. Like, I mean, you can just hold them with one hand. And he was, and he was a bigger baby. Yeah, he's a big baby too. Yeah. Eight pounds, four ounces, like that's a pretty big baby. I mean, 'cause I'm thinking back 'cause Connor was, both of them were about the same length as Theo, but Connor was like six, six and Oliver was like six, eight maybe. And so like, much smaller. And, you know, it's, it was with the same Theo. Oh my gosh, I forget like how small they are now to where this, where my boys are at now, I'm just like, damn, man, they grow so fast. Connor is a giant. Oliver is tall or not as tall, but he is thick. He's a thick boy. And I mean, he's built a lot like I am. Connor is a lot like Melissa. And it was like seeing, I'm like, holy shit. Like they're like the amount of growth that goes on from the time they're born until like, I mean, even like it's worked there at now, four and five years old is incredible. And just the way they learn and what they learn and how fast they pick up on things, it's nuts. So I'm, I'm excited for you guys. - Oh yeah, man, it's, I'm excited for like, when Theo gets to be like Calvin's age now, and like they're able to like interact a little bit more. And it's just gonna be super interesting to see, just cause Calvin's so like talkative and vocal like a bro, or like is he ever gonna be able to get like a word in? - Right. - Because he just doesn't shut up. - Right. (laughing) - Well, but that like, so the one thing like, I don't know if you'll notice, if you've noticed this, yeah, or what, but as they, as he gets older and starts doing things like, you'll start like thinking back like, okay, hold was Connor when he started doing that. - So like, well, how old is he when he started walking? - Right, so, so they're opposites in the sense where Connor started talking at like 10 months. But he didn't start, like he, he took his first steps the night before Oliver was born. So like 15 months is when he started, I mean, he was moving and crawling, but like actually walking, I remember him walking, like taking his steps in the hospital and we're like, holy shit. - That's crazy. - Yeah. And then Oliver started walking at 10 months, but didn't start talking until he was older. So they were like flip flopped in that sense. So like, which, I mean, I don't know. 'Cause when I look at him now, I feel like Oliver is more athletically coordinated, like in terms of control of his body. But in terms of speaking, I don't think he's quite as far along like Connor, I can have full blown conversations with Connor and he's five. - And he gets it. - And he understands it. Oliver is a little different in that sense. But I feel like Connor has to work harder to be athletic than Oliver does. - So interesting. - Yeah, so like watching them on scooters, like they love to ride these three real scooters and that video you posted the other day where he was just like, - Yeah, dude, that's literally, that has been my life for like the last 10 days. All he wants to do is be outside and ride a scooter. He wants to go, you know, we live at the bottom of this big hill. He wants to like go all the way to the top. And like, we're like, no, like I let him go two houses up and he can go down, like I go to the second mailbox and we go down and it was like not going any higher. 'Cause you know, we went higher once 'cause he's following around some of the bigger kids. And I'm like running after him. He got like the speed wobbles, you know, like when you start like going really fast on something, you know, I'm like, I'd like catch him from falling. It was, yeah, it was, but he just, he thinks, I mean, that's crazy. He picked up the scooter like the first day. And now we just got him one of those balanced bikes and he like doesn't like it 'cause he can't figure it out. - Yeah, that sounds like new to my boys like the balanced bikes. So, but yeah, no, I mean, when you seem like Oliver just like whips around, just maneuvering in and out, making turns, going really fast and slamming on the brakes and like spinning it back. So like it's funny to watch. I'm like, damn, this kid's gonna be like half some sort of BMX ultimate extreme sport athlete. And then Connor loves baseball. All he wants to do is play baseball, play catch, hit off the teeth and wants to be thrown to him. And Oliver will do it and Oliver will just step up and just naturally just like without even trying to hit the ball where Connor's like practicing, practicing to get better and better and better. So it's like almost like Oliver is the more natural athlete. Connor's the one that works harder. But yeah, you start seeing those, like as they get older and you can start comparing them and like, hey, when was the best thing for us was videos and social media 'cause we could go back and be like pinpoint when-- - Yeah, when he was doing, yeah, G has been doing that a lot. She's been like taking, you know, going, all right, what did Calvin look like at 10 days old? How big was he? Did he, you know, and like she keeps doing like so early now there's not much that he can other than like just looking at their appearance. - Yeah, absolutely. - There's not much that you're getting really from it yet. But down the road, I mean, kids got pictures and videos of every single day of his life. So it's just-- - Right, but going back to what you were saying earlier about how awesome it was that you had the scheduled C-section. So for like both boys, we did a scheduled inducement. - Oh, that's what we did the first time. But it was like a fuck or deal. - Right, well, 'cause it ended up being a C-section. - Right, yeah. So yeah, we did the scheduled inducement but it was nice, like we just took our time, we got there, we weren't rushed, freaking out. - And never had the whole-- - Water brick-- - Let's get there. - Yeah, oh shit, like we have to get there now. Like we took our time, we got there. And the first, obviously the first one's a learning experience but we were like, yeah, you know, get here at midnight. So we got there at midnight. And, but like she didn't have, she didn't end up having the baby until like 7 p.m. that night. But they went in and like started getting her prepared and inducing her around 7 a.m. And for her to dilate and get everything and took that long. But I mean, we got there at 7 a.m. Or we got there at midnight, checked in and then this was all prior to COVID. So, and we had him at St. Clair. So you have your own room, like you deliver in the room, you stay in the room and it's got couple like couches and beds and things like that in there for people, you know. So we had two of my good buddies and then Melissa's best friend come up and we were playing games and now all Melissa was craving afterwards was tequila. That's all she wanted was tequila. So my buddies brought up like a bunch of little, the mini tequila shots. Yeah. Well, we were assholes and couldn't wait. And there was a slushy machine on the floor. So we made hospital margaritas and got drunk drinking all of the tequila on hospital margaritas playing different video games. And so we all just passed out drunk. That's great. There was, you know, me at a hospital which will never really find me. I would not be for tequila. I'm not going to say what I'd be looking for, but let's just say a lot of rappers drink it in a styrofoam white cup. (laughing) Going back to my old days. But you guys can enjoy all the tequila you want. Yeah. So anyway, that, yeah. I mean, but I mean, I recommend that like, obviously you've got your people that want to do natural births and things like that. Like, I mean, shout out to Erica. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. Congratulations. That's awesome. So excited for you guys. And it was like a 48 hour 42 hour labor with no. No nothing. No sedation. All natural. She's a badass man. She is a badass. I, yeah. For doing that. As far as like parents go, like that kid is going to have some very principal parents. Oh, for sure. For sure. Absolutely. All right. Welcome to Earth, Jeremiah. Yeah. Yeah. Got some good ones, buddy. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I just, for, if, if, if, if you're not, if you're planning on doing an epidural anyway and things like that, I mean, it's just not having to feel that rush or that panic or anything was just made everything so much smoother. There's so much calmer. It was, it was great. I, I, I would, I mean, I'm not planning on having any more kids. Yeah. But if that were to happen, that's how I would want to do it. Yeah, it makes, I mean, I need to, any, any other ones from here on out, I think Gina has to have c-sections from here on out. I think. Oh, really? I think so. Yeah. And you have one you have. That's really the one that she could. I wasn't sure. That's the only way that they said she could this time. But I think now that she's had two c-sections, I'm pretty sure it has to be c-sections from here on out. But at this point, I don't even know if she'd want to do it any other way, just because it's been so both times. I mean, you know, her recovery has been pretty good. I mean, she's just not supposed to pick up Calvin for a couple of weeks while she's, while that's all healing. She's got like a six-inch scar across her stomach. I'm waiting for that to heal. But, yeah, I mean, that, that's been our, you know, really the only, like, I mean, our biggest challenge right now is that like Gina can't pick up Calvin. I mean, that's really the hardest thing, you know, which is not that bad. I just got to be here to put him in the crib and, you know, and help with any time we need to pick up Calvin. I mean, that's, it's- - I'm sure that's tough on him though. - For sure, you know, that's hard for him. That is one of the things that we've struggled with just 'cause like, Calvin wants, you know, he's a mama's boy, he always wants Gina to do everything. And, you know, Gina just can't right now and like putting him to bed and stuff. He's not as okay with me doing it as he is with his mom. So, but, you know, we're figuring it out. It'll be all good and he's, he's adjusting and, you know, he'll be fine. - Yeah. - He's doing great. - Did you, have you found that you, 'cause it hasn't been that long ago since Calvin was a baby, is that, I mean, have you found that you've forgotten a lot of the things from when he was a baby? - No, Gina, actually last night, she was like, well, she was like, we were laughing 'cause like, when I, I don't know if it was just the fact, it was probably a combination of the things, but we were saying like, man, I feel like I could never get Calvin settled, you know, when he was like upset or like, you know, crying or like, I could feel like I could, anytime I hold him, it never helped. But like, now like, Theo sleeps in my arms just as much as he sleeps in hers. And I don't know if that's a combination of, of me just knowing how to do the baby thing better or if that's Theo just liked me better than Calvin did. I don't know, it's probably, I think it's more of the fact that I'm like, more experienced at the dead shit now, you know? More is, 'cause I mean, Theo doesn't know what's going on yet. You know, like he's probably-- - Right, all that. I mean, and two, usually like with the, I know with, at least for my, for Ot Connor, Melissa, I mean, she was very possessive over Connor. I don't wanna say possessive, 'cause that just sounds bad. - No, but I get it. - But maternal. - Yeah, maternal. - Yeah. - And, and wanted to take on a lot of the responsibilities and I would try and help, but she was just very maternal and she kept doing it, doing it and doing it where with the second one, with Oliver, she was like, more open to shared responsibilities. - Yeah, I'm seeing that as well, you know? 'Cause she's, you know, 'cause I've been on Calvin duty for the most part, you know? Like, like the other day, for instance, like I spent like two and a half hours straight with him outside, like riding his scooter, riding the swing, hitting baseballs off the tee. It was basically like two and a half hours of us playing and it was like a hundred degrees out. - Right. - And so like, I come inside and I am just drenched, you know? Calvin and I both are. And, and she's just sitting in there, like in the air conditioning, just holding the baby, you know? Like right then and there, I think she was like, all right, well, maybe this isn't so bad, you know? But she totally misses being able to like run and gun and do all the fun stuff, you know? Just 'cause Calvin's at such a fun age right now. He's just so, just wants to do everything and, you know, just run and, you know, she just can't, you know, keep up with him right now. She's still recovering, so. - Yeah, and that too, I mean, we didn't really have that with Connor because Connor was still a baby as well. I mean, he was 15 pounds old. - Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, 'cause I mean, there were, so there was a, you know, we had a year, basically, because they were 15, yeah, 'cause basically on a whole year more. - Oh, I'll just, I'll tell you what, man. Fucking baby breasts is baby, that thing was awesome. - We were, we were just talking about getting one. 'Cause now- - I've got one still there, if you guys want it. - Oh. - Yeah, that we don't. - She knows we'll be fired up 'cause she could, she's, we use that fucking stroller you gave us every day. We literally, he was in it all day today. That's, it's been amazing. So, thank you. - Yeah, no, yeah, we've got one, like I said, we're not, neither one of us are planning on having any more kids, so. - Cool, yeah, 'cause we're, well, 'cause that's, that's been the, the big challenge here is 'cause, well, Gina was gonna, she's been breast, or she's been pumping, but it's just become too much with Calvin. And she, Gina's like a super producer, which, you know, I think it was just crazy 'cause she, like, produces too much milk, and it's like a big pain in the ass. Like, last time she was making, like, anywhere from quarter to a half gallon a day. - I think you can sell that shit. - You can, but it's also, but it's like, when she's making that much, that means she's gotta be like pumping all the time, and like, and then it's not just the pumping, it's the pumping, it's the cleaning of the pump, it's the freezing the bag, the storage of the bags, 'cause you gotta like freeze 'em, gotta like freeze 'em flat, you know, like, so, you put 'em in the bag so that they lay flat and freeze it, so then you can stack 'em, and it's a whole, you know, it's an ordeal, and like, just doing that with Calvin, and she, we were just like, I think it's too much. So, I think, you know, Theo's gonna be mostly formula, and so we were saying, but with us being in a two-story house versus our last house, when Calvin was born, everything was all on one level, so it was like, going down to the kitchen in the middle of the night to make bottles is kind of a pain in the ass, so we were like, oh, let's get a baby Breso, throw it up. - So, shout out baby Breso, it's a curig machine for baby formula. It is awesome, it makes the perfect size, perfect amount of fluid and formula at the perfect temperature. - Yep. - It's amazing. - And you also sponsor the show, by the way. - Yeah, hey. - Yeah, baby Breso. - Breso, Breso. (laughing) - Order with Narrowgum. - Hey, up a baby. - Yeah, up a baby. - Yeah, you guys got some nice shit. (laughing) - Pat gave me all his hand-me-down, up a baby stuff. For those of you that don't know, up a baby's like the Gucci of the Cadillac of strollers or whatever you wanna call it. - Yeah, Melissa spoiled those babies. (laughing) - Yeah, I brought all the shit home from Pat's house, and, you know, me and Gina are on the website, like, I don't know how much all this shit cost. Holy fuck. (laughing) That's a $1,500 stroller. (laughing) - Oh, yeah, it's like a Cadillac of strollers, man. It's shit, it might even-- - That thing better have hydraulics and some fat-ass subs in it. Oh, I'm just like, I'm just like-- - The baby form of that would be like, yeah, it's got really good shock absorbers, so it doesn't bounce, like, it's gross. - I'm not gonna need a low ride on the attachments. - That'll be a tad super smooth. (laughing) - I want that thing in purple. - I want to wear a hat with a feather in it, too. - Comes with multiple attachments, two separate normal seats plus a bass-- - Plus a bassinet, you kidding me? (laughing) - Unjustable hand rail for the listeners who don't know-- - Pulls up. - For the listeners who don't know, I'm not committed to someone for life. I have no kids, I was out with Ian and his wife, Matty, up in, like, the mountains of Idaho, which-- - Yeah, I want to hear about your trip. - Oh, well, first of all, going to a place where it's sunlight until 11 p.m. at night. - Whoa. - And that's crazy. - Zero, where was this at? - I was up in Idaho. - Rex Cortiline. - I flew into Idaho Falls. - Okay. - We went up to Rexburg and I hung up with Ian Wentz and his family and we were making Father's Day content for Captain Virgo. Also, you know, my week was fucking crazy, man. So I went from Monday, just looking like we were gonna have a regular week. - Yeah, all of a sudden you were out of town. You're like, hey, I'm out of town. - I didn't even tell-- - I didn't even tell us. - My mom fucking texted me, she goes, "Why didn't you tell me you were going out in town?" I'm like, it's Wednesday, I'm like, mom, I didn't know until like Tuesday. What do you mean? But no, so I was, I guess I have to just start from the beginning. So we had a, we were setting up profiles 'cause that's what we do a little differently with Captain Virgo's content is like, we don't want to make like commercials. We want to sit people down who genuinely use our products and like them and be like, hey, can we get some like user footage of you doing it? Like get to know you as a person. We want to make it personal. Like that's a big thing being gave away from first form is like, make it about the person. Don't make it about the product, but you know, move that in as you can. And so we filmed with a couple guys, but like, I guess we didn't communicate well enough to them that like this is Father's Day content and we wanted to see them like playing with their kids or spending time with their families and they both like let us know like, hey, we're not really that comfortable with our kids being on camera. I was like, oh, okay, well, I wish I would have known that a little bit earlier. And so I jokingly said to Gabe. I was like, hey, you know, Ian Went who is the owner and operator of official Patriot gear who is, I mean, as far as apparel brands go that I align with, he's great. He sent me free stuff. I actually support stuff. He's also one of the heads of the content creation over at Summit Rejuvenation Centers where I go get my TRT. I jokingly said to him, I'm like, hey, Gabe, what if we asked Ian to do it? He goes, do it. I'll pay for you to go out there, bet. And so I asked Ian, he goes, this is the only weekend I can do this actually. I was like, cool. So we'll schedule for me to come out there. Well, then right before that, I actually know right after that, my home girl, Rosetti, who does Real Estate out in Las Vegas, she was one of my salespeople, first form. And she was like, hey, I don't have a content creator out here that I really like and trust. And she goes, I see everything you do on Instagram. Would you want to come out here and shoot some content for me? She's like, it's not going to be like a big money maker, but there's a networking event. And I can get you out here as early as tomorrow. Like, so you mean I get to go from having a week where I'm not doing normal shit to go into Vegas and Idaho, fucking send it. And so within a day I was out in Vegas. I love Vegas. And I don't like go to Kissing House. I don't give a shit about gambling. I like food, but I like entertainment. Like, my favorite band, my favorite group, Slander, has residency out in Vegas right now. I turned down seeing them because they would go on at one o'clock. The show wouldn't have been over 'til three. And I had a nine AM flight the next day, but I toured some like million dollar homes, six million dollar homes in Vegas. We did some content there. - With her? - Yeah. - Cool. - I saw the way, hey, Rosetti, if you're not working with anybody from Gil, we've got some top notch Gil loan officers in Los Angeles. - Ashley, no, it's funny, 'cause at the networking event, I met a dude. And he goes, "Hey, I do coaching for Gil Morridge." I'm like, "Yo, do you know Anthony Merkel?" He goes, "Dude, he's the shit." I'm like, "Yeah, he's my highest coach too." So trust me, that was actually kind of cool. - Gil's huge in Vegas. - I had no idea. - Oh yeah, no, it's a nation of my company and our second top producer in terms of volume number one in units is in Vegas. - Okay. - Yeah, no, they got a fucking stronghold on Vegas. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, the houses we were touring were like three and six million dollars a piece. It was ridiculous when it was in a gated community. I helped her out with some fitness content. I got to introduce some really cool people. She is with the Lindo real estate group, and I was like, "Lindo." Name of a cartel in Mexico. She goes, "Yes, but no." (laughing) - Okay, anyways, I don't think they're trapping drugs. I think they're in fact trapping houses. - So were you doing listing videos for? - Yeah. - Cool. - Which, I mean, dude, I told her, I was like, "Hey, there is a very big market for this." And the guys who I look up to, I think are the best in the world. And so I'm expecting me to be as good as Matt Joe and Blake and what they do. I'm like, "I got a ways to go, "but I will give you my best shot." She goes, "It's better than me not having content." And I took some photos, but like, little thing about me, I hate real estate photography. It is not my bag whatsoever. It's simple, and if you're good at it, you're good at it. But like, that's not what I've been good at. I'm good at shooting events. I'm good at shooting people. Like, in their most vulnerable moments, if you ask me to shoot a house, I'm not gonna be inspired by it. But video can do that. And so- - Well, that's one thing. I mean, that's what I think Matt does really well, is I mean, he brings out that emotion on a house so well. Yeah. - And he's the best at it. He's very amazing. - All the listing videos he's done for me lately have been cop-notch. And as far as insights and performance-wise, as far as the reals go, I mean, those have been my best ones by far. - Oh, yeah. I mean, all the hooks and stuff I've been doing at the beginning. - I mean, bro, as far as like good-looking content that is very neat. - That's crisp. - He's great. - They're great. - Like I have this listing that's going live this weekend, and it's not the prettiest house in the block. It needs, it was a house that was owned by someone for the, you know, for the last 50 years. And, you know, it's got four different colors of carpet. And, you know, like, you know, and that's kind of how I advertised it as. I was like, this is a, you know, great value add- - Money making. - Yeah, I mean, for sure, this is something, you know, that you could buy, you know, fix it up while you live there and live there and, you know, and sell it five years down the road and make a killing, in my opinion. But, yeah, so anyway, but looking at that, you know, most people, I would never look at this, like, oh, this is going to be an amazing video, but like, we were able to make it a pretty awesome video, you know, if it's not the prettiest house in the world, but it's got, it's got, we were able to highlight the good aspects of it. Matt does such a good job with that, I think. - And basically, you know, I was in Vegas for like two and a half days and I did 75 hard to the letter each time. And, fuck, dude, it was 105 degrees, like most days in the house we were staying in, their AC went out. - Oh. - Bro, dude, I had a little oscillating fan in my room. It said like my room was like no cooler than like 85 degrees each day. - 'Cause it's like, I mean, out there, it's that dry heat. So you just feel like you're baking, like we're here, like you're humid and you're just sweating. - Oh, but dude, like you're just in a fucking oven. - I will take the desert any day. I hate humidity. And so like, we don't- - I don't mind heat, I would rather be hot than cold hot. - Me too. - Yes, no, every single time, bro. - Throwing a hot tub, not a cold tub. - But dude, when we got out to Idaho, you know, I got there like a nightish and it was just like just getting dark. And I was like, oh, okay. The mountains are beautiful. The people are friendly. It was like 75 and 0% of the day each day. It was great. - Big sky country, man. - Oh my God, it was wonderful. I've never been to that. I've never been to Idaho. There are places now in the north. I really want to go see a lot more like Wyoming and Montana. - There's some awesome places. So part one of the stops along in like baseball career was in Billings, Montana. And that was like one of the most beautiful like, that was a hole that league was on. What are the teams that was in Idaho Falls? I got family that lives in Boise. - Yeah. - And I mean, I love going up there. - Blue Mountain State. - Yeah. - Okay. - But I just re-watched all that shit. - Dude, I love that. - Dude, that was like my college. My freshman, freshman, I mean, like when we were in college, that's like when that shit came out. - Yeah. - We were watching this stuff. - They could still produce from that like. - Well, I hear they're making a like a sequel to it or a continuation of it with that. - As long as that's in it, they'll be fine. - Well, dude, he's been great. - I wouldn't tell you what, dude. - This is hilarious shit. - Reacher? - Yeah. - Oh my God. Dude is fucking huge. - He's absurd. - You know what I'm saying? - He's been huge, dude. - But now he's even bigger. - Yeah. - It was when he was that. - Yeah. - 10 years later, you know, I mean, I think like, think of how big, you know, you can put on some size in 10 years. - Well, like that though, like you looked at him like you could tell it, but he still had a little bit of that baby fat to him. - Yeah. - No, it's just great. - It sounds like Chris Hemsworth for like not completely like, postified by Disney, you know, way bigger than Chris Hemsworth. - He's a freak. - He looks like he should be in 400 without the CGI. - Yeah. - I mean, he looks like an Avenger, you know? I mean, he really does, but it's, you know, I love about that show is he made, you don't even see him doing a pushup. - Yeah. - Like, he's barely eating. That's the one thing that I'm like, all right, well, he's like, you see him eating like twice in the show. And I was like, all right, well, to maintain that kind of set. Like, I know that mother fuckers eating, you know, 4,000 calories a day, man. - Well, and definitely on. - Oh, he's on all the GRT. - It's being of TRT. - He's a saucy. - Yeah, I'm shit, I'm saucy, but like, you know, I, - I'm gonna be saucy. (laughing) - Dude, it's, and I mean, honestly, like the relationship I've built with Ian Smith and Ian Went, they're great guys, you know, they both represent Summit Rejuvenation Center here. Scott Otay, again, another great guy. Looks like he'd be Ian Smith's brother, but they're not related at all. And just being out there with Ian and what he's done with the official Patriot gear and seeing him fathering his kids and just kind of getting the local feel of like what Idaho is. It was a really great experience. Can you see the Patriot storefront? - He's kind of an off the grid type of guy, right? Or no? - I mean, he drives a Dodge Laramie that's really pretty. No, I wouldn't say so. - Okay. - You could be thinking of someone else. - I think of someone else, man. - I've only been to, I've been to Idaho once and it was sort of a very brief amount of time, but I went to a buddy of mine lives in Spokane, or Spokane. - Washington? - And they're all, like, so what's the state? So it goes Washington, Idaho, is it Montana? - Montana. - Wyoming? - Was it Wyoming? - Probably. - Yeah, 'cause we went to like four different, we went up there to snowboard. And this was like right before Calvin was born. And we went from, we like went, we ended up going to all three states within a matter of three days. And it was just so funny to see the difference. And this was like kind of like right after COVID. So it was like really interesting to see the, like the very like different political. Those states were like completely like Florida. - Well, they're so, well, Spokane was very like-- - Well, that's Washington. - Washington. - Yeah. - And very like blue everywhere you went. - Once you got the shots of them. - Everybody was wearing masks. And then the second you got into Idaho. - You go east of Washington, you're fine. - Yeah, there was not a mask inside. And then, yeah, it was just, it was so funny. Just like literally crossed the border and it was like two different worlds. - Well, and like, I've been to Seattle. Seattle and Olympia and Spokane, those places were very much like, hey, we're gonna tell you how to live your life. The rest of Washington is incredibly red and they don't care. They just want to be left alone. And I like that about Washington. But if you could take that-- - Kind of like Austin and Texas. - Exactly. - You know, exactly. - In the tomato soup. - In Houston too, in Dallas to a piece, but like all the same like-- - Well, it's like, it's anytime there's a big major city. - Yeah. - You know, they're gonna, it's-- - That's what the urban population typically votes a certain way. And here in St. Louis, it's no different. But seeing Idaho was really, really cool. 'Cause the people were friendly. Very, oh, I got to see and meet Brantley Gilbert. - Oh yeah. So that's sick. - It wasn't my first time meeting them. It was the song of the South. I said, good old man. I'm like, didn't I hear you on Andy's podcast? Go, hey, you were in that spot that one time I was down there. I'm like, super friendly guy. I met the guys from low cash too, which I'm not big in the country music. But like, people from the country music community are very friendly. They're very straightforward and very genuine. And, but just a big shout out to Ian, man. Like, you know, the fact that you have a great beard and you welcome me in your home. You and Matt-- - Great, red beard. - Oh my god, bro. I mean, you could take a little note out of his as far as like getting some girth on that thing, you know what I'm saying? - I mean, I used to have a really long beard. I used to be able to have to like pull it out of my t-shirt when I put a t-shirt on. But I stopped, I tracked, like, I got rid of it because of the jujitsu. Just kept getting pulled. - Yeah, it's a bitch. I mean, especially someone's going for a collar choke and they're reaching across and having your beard hair. - Yeah, but it's still good. - Yeah. But big shout out to him, man. Not only did you welcome me in your home, but like, he's been a big brother figure to me from the first form days for like two years now. I respect who's done with OPG. I love the fact that he helped us out with the content for a beard coat. And I mean, as far as my adventures go, I mean, dude, I travel a lot. I just gotta say, like, I'm a little proud of myself 'cause as far as getting content out for this, we had no hiccups really. - No, yeah, you think it's perfect. - And it's really tough for me to like get this shit done. Like maybe I was up till 6 a.m., Monday morning. Maybe I'm still, you know, short on sleep, but you know, it's all worth it. - Yeah, it's been, I mean, we have, I mean, I think our pretty much other than us, it was a couple of episodes that we ended up recording, ended up losing him. But, you know, we were able to figure it out. - We'll be in touch with you guys to be in recording. - It's so sorry. - Blame me. - You know who you are. No, well, one of them, one of them's your fault, one of them's ours, you know. It's a shared responsibility. We're a team here. We all, we share the, we share our wins and losses here. So. - So yeah, speaking of sharing on our wins, man. - Congratulations to everything that's going on with you, all the things that you've picked up and the traveling that you're getting, it's well earned and well deserved. - I appreciate it. - It's work, you work your ass off and you deserve everything that's coming your way. - It's tough, but I mean, I won't say it was gonna be fucking easy. - Oh, and you wouldn't want it if it was easy. - No. - Hell no. No, everything I do is hard. I'm sad. (laughing) - Everything I do is hard. Oh man. Well, dudes, we got a big fight card here in St. Louis this weekend, a big grappling card. So I'm excited if Murph stays in town, you're planning on going still, right? - Oh yeah. - This is coming out on Monday. So it just happened this past. - Yeah, it'll be, it'll be, it'll have happened. So when we're actually gonna have the guy who promoted it and ran the show coming on this, this coming Thursday, Adam Sella. So at least that's the plan as of now. So even if we, we can't get him on, he's gonna be a guest eventually. He's a funny guy in the UFC for a number of years and he's on the Ultimate Fighter, he's a professional fighter for a number of years and just a funny guy. So I'm really excited to get him on. He's a great part of the MMA community here in St. Louis. So, but yeah, we've got a great card this weekend. It's the CXBJJ, a third invitational here in St. Louis. And yeah, I was competing on it last time in September and a lot of people from our gyms, pretty much there's people from just about every, every DJ to gym here locally. They've also got some big names from like Kansas City, couple guys from Brazil. There's people coming in from all over the country to compete on this. So, you know, we've got a lot of our former guests are fighting on the card. We got Uzo on there. - I'm excited to see him and Josh. - Yeah, Uzo and Josh, I think are the only two that then we've got a couple other people that we know and man, it's gonna be, it's gonna be awesome. I'm excited, it's really fun. And the Zack and Pat shows the sponsor of the show. So, yeah, so really, really cool. Just kind of get our name out there on a big stage. - Right. - You know, yeah, it's gonna be cool. - Yeah, we've got some cool stuff coming up. - Yeah, we got our logo coming up. - Yeah. - Yeah, just some other things that we're looking into doing and I'm excited to see what we've got. I mean, you know, being honest, I mean, those couple of weeks before the baby was born where we were just cramming episodes in, I mean-- - Zero sleep gang. - Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I got to a point where I'm like, fuck, I don't want to talk to anybody for a little bit. - I know, I know, this was, I was-- - I love this, but I'm like, damn man, that was-- - Well, it was just, it was a scheduling thing. It was like, fuck her, we gotta get it in. So like, when can we market? And then like, it just, it was difficult 'cause we had all these other things going on. We were trying to get ready for the baby, just trying to get everything situated. So it was, but yeah. - On top of our real jobs. - Yeah. - On top of our real jobs. - That shit, the crazy things that we put up with the last fucking deal. I think it's important that we talk about that though, because I was on a phone call with Andy the other day, you know, name drops, all right, this is what it is. But I mean, he was even like, everybody in the world wants to have a podcast, but no one has a plan or anything to fucking talk about. And that's, I think we've been able to hit 50 plus episodes in a scheduled basis 'cause we have division of labor 'cause we plan things out and we work like a team. Like, yo, if you want to have a podcast and you are doing it all by yourself, good fucking luck. You notice that I do mine all by myself and I don't produce that much. Like it comes to this, if one plays a role. - Right, I mean that's, like I said, we've said this so many times. If it wasn't for you and what you do, this wouldn't be what it is because obviously Zach and I, we show up and we talk, we plan out what we want to talk about, we look, we get our guests scheduled. But like, it's easy to sit here and have a conversation and just talk about things. Obviously we've got plans and we have a questionnaire that we send out and to help along with some of that stuff, but that's easy. That's the easiest thing is to have conversations with people. It's the shit that you're doing behind the scenes that getting us the real reels, getting us, getting these things on Spotify and our Apples, Apple, whatever that is and then YouTube and the videos and editing. There's no way in hell we would be here. - Now with all the other shit you would be here. - No, no, exactly. I mean, that's the thing is like you can do this with having other, I mean, we both have very successful careers in terms of real estate and mortgages and we're very busy and active in those things. It's not like we're not doing those. We are very much active in those. But because of us being able to time block and being in control of our schedules and knowing that as well as being on a team and working together to get things done because it's not always, we try to record on Wednesdays but it doesn't always work that way. - Yeah, it doesn't always work that way. - And so, you know, if you're trying to get a podcast started and you have to have a team to support you with it if you're trying to do it on your own and you have other things going on, there's no way. - Or you just have to be like the most disciplined, time-managed person fucking ever. Like, dude, I think another piece of it that really works though is that like, you know, Zach had, it was Zach's question on my show that was like, "Hey, should I do this?" The dude listened to more podcasts and he went, "Fuckin' no, for better or worse." And the fact is is that you bring in people you like, people who are good at things, people who you have things in common with and even things you have not in common with at times. And I think what that's created is just an environment for creation. It's just like, you know, at first, we kind of just hit the ground running. It was like, all right, we're doing a podcast of the literal words you said in the first episode and kind of like the shape it's taken is like, you know, I don't think it's any secret that most of our listeners who've heard me or seem to be on camera, like, you know, there is gonna be a point where like, I will not be present. Doesn't mean the show stops. - Right. - And it's 'cause we all have our roles. I mean, you got, I've left my cameras behind, you guys have taken good camera care of them. And I have no doubt in my mind that like this thing can hit thousands of episodes as long as we keep that same energy going. And, you know, it's just hats off to YouTube 'cause you've both gotten so much better on the mics. And it's not to say you started off as bad. It's just that everyone has a starting point. And, you know, I mean, Pat, I don't know how much microphone exposure you had before this, but like, dude, your confidence on the mic, your presence on camera, it's great. Especially at this episode that we did, but just released with like Pat, like big meat. - Yeah, so good. - The amount of laughs and just how real and authentic everything was. - That's just silly. - That's what I live for as a content creator. So. - We need to get more, we need to get more. I mean, that show, you know, I guess it wasn't, it wasn't like providing a bunch of like earth shattering like motivation or like a, you know, but boy was it, it was just laughs from, and those are my favorite podcast to listen to are the ones where it just makes me laugh the whole time. - I mean, I think some of the, some of my favorite ones to listen to are when Joe Rogan has the comedians on, especially like with Joey. - Yeah, Joey or the fight, I love the fight companions 'cause it's, you know, him and his three best friends and they throw the fights on their talk and fight sometimes. But then it always goes off into some crazy tangent on how to have Shane's on, Shane goes. - Yeah, or Shane, yeah, they do the protect our parks where they just get drunk and laugh. And like those are like some of the best episodes of, I mean, probably some of the most watched podcasts of all time are those and it's just a bunch of guys getting together and it's just, you're just a fly on the room, you're fly on the wall in the room with a bunch of guys hanging out. It just makes you feel like you're the fifth person in the room, you know? - And that's the thing too, is like we can only be and say so many positive or motivational things without repeating ourselves. So it's good to have that mix in there where it's not all just like, yeah, we wanna be positive and uplifting, especially in a world that we're in today where everything's so fucking negative. But I feel like we've done an excellent job of no matter what or who our guest is or what, we've been pretty uplifting and positive, but it's not always gonna be motivational. We're gonna have those episodes where we have people come on. I mean, I would love to kinda dip in, like even with people that we don't know, like... - Yeah, I've got a couple of guys and I've actually got a buddy of mine, he's a stand up comedian here in St. Louis and I'm talking about getting him on. But I know he's moving to Chicago in the next month, so we gotta get him on soon. But he was a buddy I went to high school with and I know he's been on a bunch of podcasts and stuff, so I think he'd be just, and I'll be honest, like I've seen him at the gym at the club fitness a couple of times and we'd like bullshit and talk, but I haven't really caught up with him in a long time, so I think that would be a fun episode, so. Yeah, I mean, we've got a lot of great guests that we still have on our list that we haven't gotten on, and that's really what we wanted to do with this show, is we wanted to have it be a variety. I, you know, we said when we started this, obviously you and I are both, you know, very heavily involved in the real estate industry, but that, you know, we didn't wanna make it all real estate all the time. You know, we're gonna talk to some real estate 'cause that's what we do, you know? It's like, it's hard for us to. Not talk about that. Not talk about that, considering it's, you know, something that consumes our lives when we're not in front of these microphones. But it's, we wanted to have that variety of, you know, we wanna have entertaining funny episodes, we wanna have some episodes where we get serious and shit, you can get vulnerable, and we've had those episodes too, and. We tried getting political one time, we had to delete it. Yeah, yeah, we just realized that's not our bang. That's my bang. Sometimes. That's Murph's bang. We'll have Murph run with that on his show. You know, it's, and I mean, there's gonna be times where it comes up just because it has an effect on our business, but that's the gist that we're gonna talk about it, you know? So, I mean, this is kind of just a recap. You know, we've, we hit 50, this is episode, what, 54? 55 and then. 55? It will be, yeah. And so we kind of took a little hiatus, took a little break, and now we're just kind of catching everybody back up with what we've been doing for the last couple of weeks and where our vision's at. And we would love for you guys to catch on. I think, honestly, you know, we talk about manhood, fatherhood and all that stuff. But I think one of the demographics that we, that we might be reaching and, or would be good to reach are those kids coming right out of college, entering the workforce, because I've got a, I've got a guy, I coach a 16 new baseball team. And, you know, my assistant coach is someone that just graduated college. And we had a road trip to Kansas City a couple of weeks ago and we listened to a couple of episodes and he's like, "Damn, this is fucking awesome." And yeah, so he enjoyed it and, and it was, it was right after we released Louise Albo, our little podcast. - It was an Albo album. - They can do it strength again. - Yeah, so. - And Albo was fucking good too. - That was, yeah. So, I mean, and he was just like, "Damn man, that's, that's inspiring, that story." I'm like, "Dude, I, you should have seen me at the table. I just sat there and stared at him because I couldn't, like I was so enthralled by a story that I didn't know. Like, I just wanted to listen. I just wanted to hear him speak and tell his story. And I didn't want to interrupt. And so. - It was hard to make reels for you that episode. - I know. I know. There's been, yeah, I just, I. - Yeah, he talked 90% of the time. - Which is fine. And I think a six and you maybe had the other four percent. - Bro, me and him did a three hour podcast. I couldn't publish like over a year ago. - Really? - Yeah, bro. I couldn't upload it all to RSS. They were like, "Yeah, you gotta break this up." And then I would try breaking it up. Like, yeah, these pieces are still too big. But, I mean, to be completely fair and honest, like it wouldn't come through sounding like this. Like, I didn't know how to stream multiple microphones at that point. Mark left that out in his lesson about a podcast. But, I mean, dude, it is also a big testament to our guests. - Oh, absolutely. - No, we've had some amazing guests. We really have. - And I don't know. As they say at first, four men, people make the party in. You know, it's kind of my proud dad, me, you two. It's just, I'm not the best content creator. I'm not the best podcast producer. I'm a guy who just kind of got started. And I had people who believed in me. Zach believed in me much more than he should have when I started creating content for a living. And I mean, just, it's a testament to how far it can come. - But that's the thing. I mean, look at how far we've come. Look how far since you started, you trusting him, you reaching out to me wanting to do this and us just saying, fuck it, let's do it. - Coming up, sitting down, coming up with a game plan and then just executing. I mean, you wanna take anything motivational out of this episode? Fucking just take, have some faith and do it. - Make a plan. - Make a plan. - And make a plan. - But don't over plan. You have to come up with some sort of plan and then just fucking do it because, I mean, none of us, I mean, I've never podcasted before. - I had did one. - I mean, yeah, the one with Murph. - Yeah, don't know, I've been on it at this point. - I mean, I've done interviews with people that I guess kind of got turned into podcasts. - But it's different when you're in person right now. - Absolutely. - I really personally, like Murph said, I'm a big consumer of podcasts. And one of the things that almost makes me wanna turn it off almost every time is if it's a Zoom one, I have a hard time listening to the Zoom episodes because it's like, there's a delay and then there's, it's just, the audio always sounds a little funky and it's just, there's something about when you're not in the room with someone else, you know? - Yeah, there's a lack of intimacy. - Or something that I will always, I will always push for us to always do podcasts in person. I'm never gonna be, unless it's some like crazy big name that we'll talk about. - Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan, you wanna zoom in? - I don't. - We'll zoom with you. (laughs) - Yeah, man, I'll fly to Austin for that one. - Yeah. - I'll run to Austin for that one. - Smoking with Joe on set. No one's fucking stopping me. - No, me either. - Me too. (laughs) - We're gonna cold plunger and do the whole thing. - A lot. - Yeah, yeah. (laughs) - But I mean, I just, you're right. I think there's a different feel for a podcast when it's all in person. - Yeah. - You're sitting across the table from someone. - Right, you can like feel their energy, you're vibing off of each other's energy. - It's working in each other's eyes. - Yeah, yeah. - Just getting all into me. - Yeah, but there's something to it. - There is. - Really, yes. - I mean, there is something to it about looking somebody in the eyes when you're talking. - Where's my glasses? - Yeah. (laughs) - This has become two sauce for me. - Oh. - Speaking of that word, my five and four year old started using that word. - Sauce. - Yeah. - I'm like, what the fuck? - For real, for real. That's bussing. - And it's you. - Bussing. (laughs) - They used it correctly. - Yeah, dude, no. - It's insane. - Bro, your kids and your kids will be so hip to linguistics and lingo and how do you slang in a way that none of us were even my urban ass. - Yeah. - With an English mostly finished degree. I dropped out. I mean, that's the thing. It's just like, what the, I mean, the boys are already learning Bosnian and they know English. Obviously they got a long way to go with English and obviously a long way to go. But now you throw in, you know, these new words. I'm like, what, what, what? - What did you just say? - Yeah, Skibby. What the hell is that? - Oh, okay. - Skibby. - You've lost me. - No, what the fuck that? - That's a new one. - Skibby. - I've heard of him. - I've heard of him. - I've heard of him. - I've heard of him, I've heard of him. - I know of Rizzo. - Is that charisma? That's what I was told. - Well, I mean, it's, I mean, basically. - There isn't a girl up, you know? I guess it's charisma. I think that's what it's short. I think that's what it's short for. - I mean, let's be, I mean, that's what most of them are. Sauce is suspicious or suspect. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's kinda sus. - Yeah. - So, I mean, that's the thing. I mean, it's just they're just short man words. - Yeah, I mean, I like the term Rizz. I think that's a good thing. He's got cap. - Cap is become a really big person. - I fucking don't like that one. - You're literally wearing a blue cap, the fuck? - Yeah, but I don't get the no cap. - That's cap? - That's cap. - Yeah, okay. - That's still, all right. - That's cap. - Cap. - Bus. - Bus is for real for real. SUS. Skivity. - That's real. - I think we should close out. - All right. - But let's close out a little differently. - Yeah. - You know, we thought it was a huge deal. When we hit, I feel like we talk about this. Every time we hit like a 10. So milestone. We thought it was a really big deal to like hit 20 episodes because like, that was like the hockey stick of like, hey, you're not going to quit at this point. If we quit at this point, I'd be pissed. - Yeah. - I think we should go around, just talk about like one lesson. Something that's just been important up at this point because the fact that we hit 50, the US 50 is really important because that like opened the door to like asking Andy to be on the show at some point, which we have not done yet. But I think 50 is a really big deal and we didn't acknowledge it when we hit it. So. - Yeah. - Yeah. - 'Cause I don't think we really realized which episode because it was in that two weeks that we. - Great. I'm like five in a week. - We just weren't. Yeah, fuck it. Wasn't there a week? We did seven. Something like that. - That week exhausted the fuck out. - Oh my God. - Me too. - I'm still tired. Well, yeah, you have a new kid here. So like, I don't. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, I don't think we, I don't know if we realized which episode was going to be 50. And so, yeah, I mean, it was kind of hard to sit there and celebrate it since we didn't really know. But, I mean, it's, I'm fucking proud of us. You know, the one thing that I'm proud of and that I'm taken away from this and is, like I said, I've never done this. This was new to me. As Zach texts me and says, "Hey, you wanna do this in the first, like within 30 seconds." I was like, fuck yeah, let's do it. I didn't give a single thought to it. I just knew that this was something that would be fun and creative in a different avenue and a different thing. Like for people to get to see me in a different way than what they normally see me. You know, because, you know, unfortunately in our, and as a loan officer, I mean, like everybody's like, what does it take to be, it's like you gotta be a chameleon. - Yeah. - Like you have to have different personalities for different people that you're working with and things like that. But like this, like I get to be my true authentic self. And now I think more and more people are starting to see that and realize like, you know, that's one big thing, but then also again, just fucking taking a chance and just doing it. And I realized that I was going to suck at this from the get-go, but my goal was to get better and better each time. And I just went with it and just did it. So my advice to people, like I said earlier, is just fucking sure create a plan, but don't over plan and then just do it. And you're gonna learn as you go. And you can correlate this to podcasts or anything in life, which I've taken over to my business side of things. It's just quite overthinking it and just fucking do it. - Yeah. - Yeah, that would be, my two things that I'm gonna say are one of them is pretty much just piggyback and awful what you just said. 'Cause there's a lot of people out there. I mean, they get that analysis paralysis where you really overanalyze things and you think about it and you try to make this perfect plan and you wanna wait for the stars to align before you, you know, you get out and you actually do the thing that you've been wanting to do or been planning to do, but there's just something to just, you know, committing to it, writing it down on a piece of paper. I'm gonna do this by this date, boom, I'm doing it. And, you know, I'm taking, I've taken that into this and I've got a couple other things, you know, we kind of chatting about it before the show, something that, you know, where I would love to do down the road, I've also got another business venture with a friend of mine that, you know, we wanna do down the road. And there's all these things that like, you know, that I'm gonna do it, it's just a matter of time. And, you know, I'm gonna wait and make sure that the plan is in place because it's kind of a new idea, but, you know, I have every intention of doing these things. And then on top of that, I would say, as a podcaster, I mean, I think just, you know, 30 minutes of preparation can make an episode so much better. - Too much better. - You know, like if I, anytime I've had come in and I've had a good like clear set of like questions that I wanna ask, like especially when we're having guests specifically, and even when it's just the two of us, if we come in with a plan, especially like we wanna say, hey, this episode, we wanna talk about this, we wanna pull up these couple articles or it's this specific guest. I wanna think of some actual thoughtful questions versus just like, you know, just the ordinary bullshit that you can ask anybody in an elevator. So I would say those are my two things. You know, just get out there and do it. And I think Alex Formozi said it, like 20 minutes of preparation can make you seem 20 IQ points smarter. - For 10 years, smarter. - Or something like that. I was like, yeah, it was something like that. But yeah, just 20 minutes of prep are 20, 30 minutes. And that's kind of been my routine like the night before our episodes. Gina goes to bed. I sit up here and I throw a podcast on and I just try to come up with 10 to 20 questions or things I wanna ask whenever we have a guest on. And that's- - Yeah, basically what I'll do is I'll take the questionnaire if we get it early enough and plug it into an AI generator and just say, hey, what are some unique questions I can come up for this? - Yeah, a guy that is a black built Nijitsu owns a car dealership and all these other things. - And then just kind of analyze what some of those unique questions are and kind of think about how trying to get into their mind to see if this is something that they can elaborate on or speak longer to that might stir up another thought that runs us into a different area. Just things like that. I mean, I think that's another thing too is like, fucking people are so unique. - Oh yeah. - It is like the people that we've had on here are all different, two different things. But are so unique in the way that they do them. And it's just, it's awesome to kind of have been to have all those guests that we've had and getting to learn so much more about these people. - Yeah. - That people don't need an education. - Yeah, people will never, like people don't know and it's cool that we're able to do this here locally and get some really interesting people locally that people may never have heard of but to get their story out there, like that's awesome. - Yeah, I've been having fun with it. So just always out there. - What about you, Murph, being curious? - I think I got two things. Number one, do make it about people. Zach and I have a great deal of trust in each other for the year that we worked for this and when he introduces me to someone, I take his word as like, hey, I have trust in that. So being able to develop a relationship with Pat in that time and strengthen my relationship with you and your families, that's a big deal to me. It's reflective and the guests that we bring on is like, no, we make this about people. We have the right people, we have the right guests, we have the right support from our family, loved ones. We're setting a good example for your kids, I believe, and we're keeping the spirit of communication alive and you can't have communication without people. So to me, it is, if you're gonna do this thing and you're gonna do it long-term, have the right people, it's number one. My number two thing is, don't make it about you. Don't make it about, oh, I'm gonna be a podcaster, just do a podcaster, well, I just wanna get sponsors. Well, how long until this thing pays? No. - You're gonna have to give a lot. You're gonna have to give a fuck ton, we're six months into this thing. It's the biggest project I've worked on to date and we don't make it about us. And just because we genuinely love what NeuroGum does, we've built a relationship with them or at least we're starting to, just 'cause we genuinely love what FitFlavors does, we're building a relationship with them. Those opportunities that come our way, I get people who ask me when I produce their shit all the time, like, how do I get them to like do my thing? It's like, dude, look, you can't go searching for it, you can't make this about, I have a sponsor, it's, you have to just provide value. And so... - Yeah, that's the thing with NeuroGum. Fuck, we were just goofing around one day. - Yeah, exactly. Just like, I'd love it if you promoted the show, we didn't expect them to say anything. And then you, but it was the phone call you had with the guy. What's his name again? - Yeah, Ken. - Ken, thank you so much, man, 'cause I love your products. And even if I never get to have that phone call, I don't care, I'll use NeuroGum until fucking I run out and then I'll get some more. I think genuinely, we've created something, there's still so much in its infancy that we hit it with the right intentions and all the cool shit that comes from it, even being able to sponsor this event for the Jiu Jitsu comp. Like, I wasn't even involved in that. Just knowing that that logo is gonna be out there, man. Like, that is so fucking cool. - Right, I know in it. - Yeah, so those are my thoughts. It's like, have the right people and go into this with the right intent. If all you want are sponsors and just to say that you're a podcaster, it's gonna be very unfulfilling. But if you focus on bringing a great product to people, you're okay with starting somewhere, which is not where you're gonna end up. You have a plan and you fucking execute on it. Dude, you can do fucking anything. - Yeah, and listeners, if you have somebody that you feel is worth us bringing on and having a conversation with, connect us, comment their names, tag them in a post, send us their information. - Why us out to them? - Yeah, reach out to us on Instagram. - Yeah, we're on Instagram and all social media platforms putting this on YouTube. Anywhere you can listen to the Spotify or anywhere you can listen to podcasts. So comment, let us know if there's somebody that you want to see on the show. We're gonna do our best to get them on here. And like I said, we love having people on that are interesting and hardworking and good people. Just to have good conversations with them because everybody's got a different perspective on things. And I think that's what we want to have on the show. - Yeah. Well, I think that's a good place for us to end it guys. And as always, please hit that subscribe button if you haven't hit it already. 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