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#094 - Arjuna's Humble Plea to Krishna -- Chapter 11: Verses 44 - 48
(upbeat music) - Welcome to the Modern Yogi Podcast. - Podcast. (upbeat music) - An exploration of ancient wisdom. - Hello, hello everyone. - Welcome back, we're on episode number. - 94. - 94. - 94. - And thank you so much for tuning in. We are on chapter 11, the universal form, and it has been a riveting chapter thus far, ladies. - Drivening, amazing. - So good. What are my favorites, actually? - Really? - But then everything in my, I'm going to eat this way. - Yeah, you know, when people ask that question, oh, what's your favorite universe or texts or this or that? I never know what to say. Like, there's so many good ones. I think I need to make a list and then rank them, and then rank them, and I will never find the answer. - But you should just have one in your back pocket, just so you don't look like a goofy person. - Like a goofy person. - Yeah, I really should, I just, I will do that. Thank you for that, it's a good advice. Everyone should do that. Everyone should have a verse in the bug of Gita that really resonates with them, and they just like quote it randomly, or when they're asked, you'd be like, yeah. Or like to inspire other people. - Ooh, that's good. Okay, here's the challenge, okay? The challenge is to memorize your favorite Gita verse so that you have it in your back pocket. So when someone asks you what's your favorite Gita verse, you don't look like a goofy person. - Oh, I love it. Also, if you want to, and I'm not really the social media person in this group, but if you really want to, you want to share your favorite Gita verse, and tag me, Pridaarshini, my personal account, so I can see people's favorites, and then maybe I'll be inspired by all your favorites. - Ooh, I like that, okay, right. - You can also tag the Modern Yogi podcast. - Yeah, Modern Yogi podcast. - And Modern Yogi podcast. - I'm gonna get you back out. - And where would you find our personal accounts? It's also on @ Modern Yogi podcast. - @ Modern Yogi podcast. (laughing) - I'm not doing that. - It's just a little bio, it's right there, you can see all of us. So we're going back of recap of last episode. - Requap. - Requap. - I will say, we have been in a very special zone, right? With these chapter 11 texts, I don't know if they're my favorite or what, but they've been some of my favorite episodes to record with you ladies, 'cause at the end of each one, we've been like, oh my God, what is Arjuna going to say? We even had Prida read one of the texts in Arjuna's voice, like with the mood we thought he was having, right? - Yeah. - We're like, again, again. And she did it perfectly in Arjuna's like, vibe of, 'cause Arjuna started repeating a lot of the same stuff we read in chapter 10, like, you are this, you are that, but this time he said it from a perspective of like, oh my gosh, now that I've seen your form, you really are that. So Prida read it so beautifully with Arjuna's mood. - Thank you. I feel like Prabha and Krishna, they did such a wonderful job of describing like Arjuna's feeling in that moment that I can feel it when I read it. - Yeah. - I can really see and imagine and like really kind of like the feelings inside me. So I hope you enjoyed those last couple of texts. I mean, episodes. - Yeah, which is all, this is the vibe, this chapter. And so we're all just hanging out in the casual ocean. - Yeah, in the casual ocean. (both laughing) If you don't know what that means, go back to listen. - And I will say, if you're tuning in for the first time, don't jump right into chapter 11, text 44. - Oh, it's intense. - Can I say one thing that's really funny. My eighth graders that were graduating, you know, I'm a teacher and they were graduating and they all heard I have the podcast. So they tuned in and one kid, the next day told me, oh yeah, I heard a bit of it with my dad and he kind of left it at that. And I was like, oh, oh, so what part did you hear? Did you hear from the beginning? He's like, no, we just clicked on the last episode as he was driving me to school to my private Catholic school. And I was like, oh, oh, interesting. And what did your dad think? And he was like, well, we're both a bit confused. And I was like, okay, okay, that's fine, that's fine. - Well, if anybody has any employment opportunities for Shumbly, this would be a good time just like if you have your hiring for anything, please just slide into our DMs. - Anything spiritually, educationally related, Shumbly, how should you be-- - Shumbly, we probably need a new job soon. - Yeah, I could just picture what they were hearing and then the thousands of heads devouring bodies and I was like, oh my God, what did they hear? - You need context. So if this is your first episode, please go back because you need context. - Yeah, and if you were a child at a Catholic school, don't share this with your parents. - No, don't let me share it with your parents. - Telling them to keep it a secret between us will get me even more fired. - That's a far secret child, sorry. - No, no, don't give it a secret, share it with whoever you want but tell them to start at episode one. - Yes, exactly. - And if you have any questions, send us a text on our YouTube podcast. - I'm on your podcast. - Instead of employment opportunities at my New York podcast for Shumbly. - Okay, moving on, beautiful. - All right, the invocation, please, ladies. - All right. (singing in foreign language) - Translation, I was born in the darkest ignorance and my spiritual master opened my eyes with the torch of knowledge. I offer my respectful basis onto them. Chapter 11, text number 44, pre-adarshini. - You are the Supreme Lord. This is Arjuna speaking. - Okay. - You are the Supreme Lord to be worshiped by every living being. Thus, I fall down to offer you my respectful obeisances and ask your mercy. As a father tolerates the impudence of his son, a friend, the impertinence of a friend or a husband, the familiarity of his wife, please tolerate the wrongs I may have done you. - Oh, dos, parvoir. - Dos. - You mean again? - Yes. - How do you say that, twin? (speaking in foreign language) - Okay. You are the Supreme Lord to be worshiped by every living being. Thus, I fall down to offer you my respectful obeisances and ask your mercy. As a father tolerates the impudence of his son, a friend, the impertinence of a friend or a husband, the familiarity of his wife, please tolerate the wrongs I may have done you. - Mm, that's so sweet. - Yeah. - Really sweet. Okay, so just so everyone knows what these words means, are Judas sort of apologizing to be like, okay, dude, I just realized you're God, I'm sorry for treating you less than God. And then the words like are, as a father tolerates the impudence of his friend and impudence. - Oh, impudence. - Am I saying your, impudence. - But no, pah, to tell you today, that's what I thought. - The impudence. - The impudence, the impotence, the impotence. It means arrogance, okay? - I'm pretty sure we're saying that wrong. - Wait, how do you say it? It's impotence. - Impudence. - That's what I said. Okay, so what does it mean? - It means arrogance. - Oh, the arrogance of, oh, so the father tolerates the arrogance of his son. - Correct, okay. - And then as a friend, the impertinence. - Yes. - Of a friend. It's rudeness, not disrespect. - So as a friend tolerates the disrespect of a friend. - Or a husband and familiarity means, familiarity. (laughing) Everyone knows what that means. - But yeah, so like rude. - We're rude. - We're really coming out strong today. - We are academics, okay, ladies. We're really showing our strong scholarly signs today. - Oh, yes, from the air. (laughing) - So anyways, so what I think Arjuna is trying to say is that he's finally being like, "Oh my God, you are God." Okay, and so like please forgive me for like all of this, like colloquialisms that we've had in our relationship that some might seem to be disrespectful. Why are you laughing? It's because he knew, 'cause I said the word colloquial. - I just had a montage of everything you've faced. - You know, there's a lot of hard words in this verse, okay? - This is not an easy verse. - No, no, it's very good. - When I get laughing, it's like, it's gonna be, I can't stop. - Okay, let me tell you. - I'm sorry. - I can't tolerate your impudence. (laughing) - That was so close. It was impertinence. - Oh, sorry. (laughing) - Familiarity means familiarity. Arjuna's been a bit colloquial with our Krishna and he's been impudent. - So anywho, let me get it back to this. So for all of you, so Shama and Shama were there, but a couple of weeks back, I got this opportunity and this is relevant to some degree. I got the opportunity to be the MC or Master of Ceremonies, like the speaker of an event where they had 3,000 people. - She crushed it. - Yeah, get a girl, she crushed it. - I did not feel that way inside. And so the reason I'm saying that is like, I think when you're in a position where you like learn a lot of information, all you'll want to do is be like, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry if I made any mistakes," right? And I think that's what Arjuna's doing here too. - And it's something I really value about devotees or like, you know, Bhakti practitioners, because it's kind of a mood that I've seen my whole life where they're like, whenever they do something, they'll say, "Please forgive me if I've committed any offenses." Now that's like a really like heavy line, please forgive me if I've committed any offenses. But it does carry the understanding that as human beings, there will be familiarity that is built or arrogance that will be displayed or annoyance or disrespectfulness that will happen in like-- - Consciously or unconsciously. - Right, exactly, so then to be sort of proactive. And I think Arjuna's kind of saying like, "Oh, in this case, it's more so because I didn't recognize that you were God, the creator of everything." And I treat it, you're just like a friend, like a, my cousin, like just anyway, but you're not just anyone. So I'm so sorry for anything that I might have said or done that like, 'cause imagine you're talking to God, right? And you're like, "Oh, well, yeah." So like, I just feel like the world wasn't created that well or like everything like, it should not be done. Like, why do people have to do this? - So you're talking to God, not knowing he's God. And then you're complaining about how everything's created. - Like, why do I have to fight a war? Like, why do I have to do this? Like, why do I have to do my responsibility? This is not what I should be doing. And like, even complaining about like, all kinds of things about the world, right? - Yeah, it's like, why is tipping culture so crazy, Krishna? And then Krishna's like, "I invented tipping cars." (laughing) - I hope that's not true, but-- - But you know what I mean? Like, it's like awkward. It wasn't invented by demons. (laughing) - That's also true. (laughing) - Oh, Krishna's invented tipping culture. (laughing) - But yeah, yeah. So I think he's kind of like-- - He's been sorry for anything I've said without realizing that you were God. - Yeah. And I think that's a really good point, Priya, because also it points towards what a beautiful culture within the devotee community that you really, it cultivates humility because you really, I'm sorry for any offense I may have made. I mean, that really makes one take the humble pie, rather than maybe it's more common to like, whatever. Sorry you took it that way, you know? Like, I don't know if you're in a community that you're really trying to cultivate these qualities that allow you to perceive Krishna's love. And in order to feel that love, you need to humble yourself a little. In the beginning of this podcast, we've been talked all about in the mood you need to have to approach these texts, to approach a spiritual teacher. And here are Junas basically what you're saying, showing us that humility also. - I'm so sorry, Krishna. Well, you are not just my friend and my cousin, you are God. - Yeah. And the importance of apologizing, right? 'Cause it also eliminates karma when you do that, right? Because you're not, you're preventing further karma, right? If like Sharmali, when you were saying you're like, like, I'm sorry, you took it that way. And then you further aggravate the situation, you actually add more karma, right? But when you apologize, you eradicate that karma. - Yeah. - I tried to do that a little bit with my mom, like I was in Toronto for two weeks. And I think our heaviest karma is with our family members. - Right, right. - Because there's so much karma that happens between these people. - Totally. - And it can be so frustrating and so like, just so much of it. And so I was there for two weeks. And at the end, like me and my mom got into this little thing. But then she was driving us to the airport the next day. And I turned to her and I was like, please forgive me for any offenses. And she said, please forgive me for any offenses. And we just hugged and we literally just squashed everything. And I think that's such a beautiful mood to be in. It's like, hey, I know that we're a family and I know that we've done things right and wrong, whether consciously or subconsciously. But like, I just wanna apologize for anything from my heart. And I think that's what Arjuna is doing right now. - What inspired you to wanna say that in that moment? - Please forgive me. - Because I see her as a beautiful Vaishna. Like I see her as this beautiful devotee of Krishna and I never wanna do anything that hurts a devotee. And like that, and I have so much respect for her. Even though she gets on my nerves, I have so much respect for her as a devotee, as my mom. You know, like, and so I just wanna squash the karma, squash the, just any beef or, you know, I just wanna squash everything in that moment. Beef, vegetarian beef, vegan beef, beyond meat burger. I just wanna squash all of that just so that she knows that like, I don't mean anything. - Well, you just said, kind of put this first further into context for me because what you're saying is that your mother is your mother and she sometimes can annoy your frustrate or whatever the word might be, right? And like, you kind of lose sight of the fact that she's a beautiful devotee, like a soul inside. And so like, you might do something that might make her feel a certain way and then you realize, well, but she's like a beautiful soul and she's Krishna. And then you're like, I'm so sorry for anything I've done. - Totally. - By almost forgetting that you are Krishna, a part of Krishna, that you are the soul, that you are, that I almost just see you as my mother. And like, sometimes that becomes so familiar that even within that relationship, it can be like a little messy and create difficult situations, right? - Yes, yes, yes. - Oh, totally. I love that and building off of that. So her point and then your point. And then it makes me think that we have to see everyone in the perspective that they're a soul on their journey back to Krishna, as you're saying. So then, even if you're right and they're totally in the wrong, like in Spanish, we say, get the quita. What does it cost you to apologize? What does it cost you other than making life a little easier for them and helping them a little on their path back home? - Was it called quita quita? I love that. It doesn't cost you to just do that. And my mom always does that. She tells me like, if when I was younger, my sister and I would get into sibling squabbles, she would be like, get the quita. What does it cost you to just say sorry? If it makes her feel better, maybe even if you're right. And I do so true, you know? So I love that you have that perspective with your mom 'cause you might have all your rationale, why, whatever. She drives you nuts and you, this, that, I don't know. But then she is also an individual soul beyond the role that we might temporarily have in this life. And we need to see everyone in that perspective of how can we all help each other on our journey back home? - Yeah. In a relational relationship way, like you can also think about like, so she, I know we're like really going on this, but she's your mom, but she's also just a woman. She's also just this. She's also just that like what circumstances or situations might have caused the difficulty or this. Like there's so much behind it. So to be able to say like, I'm so sorry for any offenses. I've done or committed or whatever. It's like, it's really admirable and a really nice quality to be able to say like, I don't, yes, it frustrated me. It was a difficult situation, whatever, but like there's more to this, there's more to her, there's more to the situation and there's love, right? - Yeah. - So relationship wise, yeah. - Absolutely. I thought of something similar like that the other day also because then also just bringing it into a very broad perspective of life is so short. And most of the time people have no idea the effect they're having on others with their words, with their actions. So just letting things more like droplets on a bird's feather just glide off is, you know, whatever, they'll figure it out. I don't have to be in charge of that. And let's all continue on our journey. (speaks in foreign language) - She's so close. (laughing) (speaks in foreign language) - Oh, 'cause she doesn't really say the S is so much (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) - Yeah. - Yeah. - Beautiful. - Beautiful. - Beautiful. - We can be in indeed. (laughing) - Okay, it's beautiful. - Anything else, familiarity with his wife, husband and wife. - The purport is super short. Do you wanna read it or not? - I can read it. - Yeah, I can read it. - All right, purport. Christmas devotees relate to Krishna in various relationships. One might treat Krishna as a son or one might treat Krishna as a husband, as a friend or as a master. Krishna and Arjuna are related in friendship as the father tolerates or the husband or the master tolerates, so Krishna tolerates. - Okay. - I think it's really cool that a Sanskrit verse from so many years back can explain the difficulties and relationships in such simple terms. It is often that you find the conflict between a parent and their child in terms of arrogance. - Very common, right? Like it's depicted from 5,000 years ago and it's like, yeah, it hasn't changed in 5,000 years. - It's just human nature or like friends annoying in each other or husband and wife getting too familiar and kind of getting annoyed, right? - Yes, right. - Like the husband leaving the clothes seat up, you know? - Yes, that would be annoying. - I really wanted me to bring that up. I think it's like a stereotypical thing. Like women prefer the seat to be down and then men are like, "What, it's just fine as it is." And but we solve that. - How did you solve it? - We have a Japanese toilet. - And oh my God, so Priya, this is not related to the verse at all, but you touch Priya's toilet with your foot and the seat automatically goes up and I think that's what this verse is all about. (laughing) - It's all about the art toilet. - Just tolerate any wrongdoings. - Yeah, and you know, the deeper we are on our own spiritual path is the degree that we can then tolerate and accept situations further. They won't rile us up so much the more evolved we go becoming. So like relationships with parents and siblings, the more, or parents and children, the more maybe the less evolved someone is, they don't see everything their parents have done for them. No matter all the wrongs the parent might do, it's just so easy to get caught up. And then they did this and that and I'm so traumatized. And I won't, you don't grow past then the trauma that you feel like almost the victim perspective. - And then the lesson is not learned, right? Because like, what are we supposed to be doing on this planet? We're supposed to be getting close to Krishna, serving devotees and like learning lessons, right? And if we fight back and we don't apologize and we try to think they were right, we are not learning any of those lessons. And what happens? We reincarnate over and over again. And so we learn those lessons. - And at the same time, like you were saying, we should tolerate everything. And I feel like there is kind of like a fine line there because tolerating is not meant to be harmful, right? Like if it's going to be harmful in some way, like whether it's to your relationship or to your body, like actually I was talking to my mother-in-law and I don't think she listens to the podcast. She was telling me how she just having a lot of struggles, physical struggles and a lot of pain. And she finally like waited like two weeks but she was having fevers and like difficult stuff. And she waited two weeks to go to the doctor and to like see what was going on because she thought maybe it would pass, right? - We tolerate, she tolerated. And when she went to the doctor, the doctor said, do not tolerate this, like do not, you have to immediately figure out what is happening and try to resolve it because it's harmful. So like not just in a physical sense but I also think like in emotional ways, like it doesn't mean fight back when you're having conflict with the family or show arrogance or whatever. But it does mean learn, grow, discover, resolve, right? Like not everything needs to be tolerated. Some things need to be tolerated. - Right. - I don't know that. - Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, 'cause you can imagine extreme situations if you're in a abusive relationship. Don't tolerate, don't think like a martyr. This is my karma, well, no, like change your situation. - And it doesn't have to be so extreme. It could be just like, oh, my back really hurts, my back really hurts, my back really hurts. You know, maybe I should check my back. - Right, right. - We don't have to tolerate everything. - Yep. - All right. - Learn and grow. - Yeah, learn and grow. - That's all we're here for ladies. Learning and growing. - And apologizing as our junior does. - And apologizing as our junior does. - Very nice. - Okay, nailed it. All right, text 45. - I'm a sangeeta. - Arjuna is saying after seeing this universal form, which I have never seen before, I am gladdened, but at the same time, my mind is disturbed with fear. Therefore, please bestow your grace upon me and reveal again your form as the personality of Godhead. Oh, Lord of Lords, oh, abode of the universe. - He's like, this is so cool, but like, it's a little scary. - Can we go back to like normal? - I love this because he's like being real and being vulnerable and asking for what he needs. But like, it's like, he's never seen this universal form before and it's great, however, it's also, yeah. - Right, right. It's interesting 'cause ProPod says, right, as his such dear, close friend, he's so happy for Krishna to see like, wow, he is the realest, he is the best. I like so genuinely overjoyed, but at the same time, he's also afraid because he thinks he has committed so many offenses to Krishna out of his unalloyed friendship. ProPod writes that that's part of the reason why he's been afraid, like, oh my gosh, I have done so many wrongs here. So I think the fear goes on many levels. It's out of also Arjuna's humility that he thinks I did so much wrong to Krishna that seeing this form brings him fear even more than normal. - I also think it's really interesting that he's asking him to show his form as a personality of Godhead because ProPod here is saying that Arjuna's requesting to see Krishna's forehanded feature and that's not the Krishna that was in the battlefield, right? Like you just see Krishna go to hand. So I think it's interesting that it's going from universal form to forearms, not directly back to-- - Yeah, I think he just needed like a, just a reduction in arms, like just-- - Just in heads and bellies and mouths. He just needed a complete reduction. So we recognize his friend again. - Right, basically, yeah. He's asking to see Krishna's form as Narayan because Krishna can assume then any form and is reminding us that the universal form that he busted out with all the heads and everything, it's material and temporary just like this material world. But in the Vaikuntha planets, Krishna has his transcendental form with forehands as Narayan. So that's the one, it is interesting that wouldn't he want to see, why wouldn't you want to see Krishna and Vrindavan, the coward boy? Or I think he wants to see the forehand. - Yeah, I think we may find out in the next verse. - Yeah, but you know what's interesting? It is an interesting request for Arjuna to ask this, right? 'Cause what if Krishna had like an on off switch for this universal form, right? It's like a flick of a switch. He could become the universal form. And then imagine like, like Krishna never switched off. And then Arjuna just had to like go around town with his friend in the universal form state. Like just go to Trader Joe's and like he had to explain his things to people. - That'd be a little embarrassing. - It would be like, it would be a weird conversation, you know what I mean? - Huh, right, right. - So he's asking to switch back so that he's less fearful and it's just like everyone can handle this. - So he can not ever take him to Trader Joe's and explain to other people. - He doesn't have to explain it. - It's just the social embarrassment. - Right. - I mean, not the social embarrassment 'cause like if your friend's god, you want to show that off, you know what I mean? But it's also you just have to explain a lot, you know? - So your first thought seeing the universal form would be like, you know, this would give me a lot of brownie points with my friends, you want to come with me? - I feel like, how do I explain this to the clerk at Trader Joe's? (laughing) - Right. - Why are you taking Christian under Trader Joe's? - I mean, you want to-- - Take him to R1. - R1? Yeah, it could take him. He might like the hilly, beaver smoothie. (laughing) - You know, I didn't know this next part, but okay, so basically there are innumerable planets in the spiritual sky. In each of them, Christian is present in his different plenary manifestation which has different names. So basically it's saying, as Narayana is the forehanded form that each hand is holding a different symbol, the conch, mace, lotus, and disc. But this part I didn't know, according to the different hands, these four things are held in, the Narayans are variously named. So the different names are in accordance to the different things he's holding. I didn't know that. But all these forms nonetheless are Krishna. So Arjuna wanted to see the forehanded feature. - Very nice. - Beautiful. - All right, text number 46. Arjuna says, "O universal form, O thousand armed lord, "I wish to see you in your forearmed form, "with helmeted head and with club, wheel, conch, "and lotus flower in your hands. "I long to see you in that form." - Hmm, hmm. - I can hear you, bro, over time. - Yeah, I can hear this, yeah. "O universal form, O thousand armed lord, "I wish to see you in your forearmed form, "with helmeted head and with club, wheel, conch, "and lotus flower in your hands. "I long to see you in that form." - Helmeted head. - Helmeted head? - That's like the word here. - Helmeted hair. - Helmeted hair. - With club, wheel, conch, and lotus flower. - Oh, that is a warrior, you're right. - Right, yeah. - I guess they're on the battlefield, so, you know, that would make sense. - And remember, Arjuna is a soldier. So I think, like, remember how we were saying a couple of episodes ago where it's like, like Arjuna uses very straightforward language, right? And he can recognize our armor really quickly, whereas like Sanjaya, he like goes to poetry slams on Saturdays, and like, he's very, like, beautiful, artistry in his words. And I think that the form that a soldier would like is another soldier. - Yeah, totally. - We like what we're familiar with. - Right, right, absolutely. - I'm still surprised by the forearms, but just like, just seems random, but cool. - Yeah. - Maybe that's his favorite form. - Maybe that's his favorite form. - Arjuna know that Krishna has a forearm form, oh my God. - Touche. - Like, where did they come from? Where did he go from? Like, I've never seen the universal form. You just introduced me to it, but then now, can you show me four arms with a helmet and a flower and a desk and a glove? - So unless it was already present within the universal form expansion. - Yeah, right. - But if it wasn't, if it wasn't, then this indicates, like, you know when, like, the person interrogating, like, let's say the police officer interrogating someone, they reveal information that the person under questioning hasn't said yet. And the person is like, wait a minute, how did you know that? - Yeah. - So it's like Arjuna's kind of revealing his elevated status as an eternal associate with Krishna because he actually knows all this stuff and is asking for our benefit. - I see, I see. - I think he goes. - I'm looking at plate 11 once again, and I don't see, I see the lotus, I see a sword, but I don't see Krishna's forehand form particularly. But again, this is a limited picture because Krishna is limitless. - Right, right. - But perhaps the forearmed form was shown at a different part of their, like, childhood or something. Like, they were-- - No, 'cause I don't think he was cut until now, right? - Oh, Chushay. (laughs) - But there's something that Arjuna knows that we don't know. - Yeah, definitely. - Yeah, definitely we're saying, you know, lifetime is so factually knowing each other. - Cool. - Yeah. And it's interesting because Propad says that in all of the forms that Krishna has, the one constant feature is that Krishna's always fresh like a young man. So he's never old. - Mm, so that's interesting. - I like that. - You will never see an old Krishna. He's always beautiful. - Cool. - It's like course. - We can claim that our god is young and beautiful. - Yeah. - I mean, and he likes to dance, and he's nice, and he has a lot of heads and bellies and mounts, so. - Yeah. (laughs) - But it's pretty cool. - He's pretty good. - I love to show that off at Trader Joe's. - Yeah. (laughs) - All right. Anything else on this first, guys? - I think that's it. - Basically, Propad says that just of this is this verse establishes without any doubt that Krishna's the original personality of Godhead and everything, or all other features, or a genate from him. - Okay. - Very cool. - Preadarshini, text 47. - All right. - The Supreme Personality of Godhead said. - Oh, Krishna is speaking now. - Okay, okay. - The Supreme Personality of Godhead said, "My dear Arjuna, happily have I shown you "by my internal potency, "this supreme universal form within the material world. "No one before you has ever seen this primal form, "unlimited and full of glaring effulgence." - Wow. - Wow. - Wow. - So that's the first time he revealed that form. - That's amazing. - That's so interesting. - After we started reading this chapter, like I changed the background on my phone to the universal form. I don't know if you guys can see this. 'Cause it's such a, oops, it's such a cool image. - That really is. - Like that is such a powerful, and this is just an image, right? But like Krishna is so cool in this universal form. And Arjuna is the first person who has seen it. - Right, and you know what's interesting that Arjuna isn't the only one, because it was shown to Arjuna, but also because the form was shown in public, all of the other devotees of Krishna in the heavenly planets and in other planets in outer space, Propa says could also see it. So in other words, all the disciplic devotees of the Lord, meaning those who are in this disciplic succession of guru, disciple, guru, disciple, they were able to see the universal form that was shown to Arjuna by the mercy of Krishna. - Wow. - Beautiful. - So because of Arjuna, a lot of people got to see. - Yeah, yeah. - And like Sanjaya too, 'cause he's looking through. - Exactly. - So a bunch of people got this beautiful, amazing experience because Arjuna asked questions, and actually because Arjuna had doubts about what to do with his life. - Right, right. - Like who would have thunk it? - Who would have thunk it, yeah. - Who would have thunk it? - I love Krishna's use of the word happily. My dear Arjuna, happily I have shown you by my internal potency. Like he was like, all right, you ask and I will reveal. And that's kind of a cool. I like that he said happily. No one before you has ever seen this primal form. - This shows also that Krishna wants you to bring him into whatever emotion or problem you're traversing, you know? I had a friend the other day say like I don't, 'cause I said pray to Krishna about X, Y, or Z, pray to him. And she said, I just feel like if I'm praying for something, I know what I should pray for, I should pray for service, I should pray to get initiated. I just feel like if I'm not feeling it right now, it's because of me, I'm doing something wrong. So I just feel almost like she couldn't pray to Krishna to bring him in. And I was like, no, that's the opposite. Krishna already knows what's in our heart. He knows the walls we have bring the wall down and pray to him because if something is getting in the way of you feeling Krishna's love and Krishna's presence, he wants you to pray to him for it. It's not that we have to figure it out all on our own. So here in a way, Arjuna, even though he's elevated and his problems are different than ours, he's praying to Krishna and bringing him into that emotion. This all started with his anxiety panic attack and he brought Krishna in and prayed to him. So it's not that we have to figure it out all on our own because you know what, I got myself into this mess and I have this in that shortcoming. So I can't possibly pray to Krishna for help. Bring him in. And that's exactly what you said. It all started with, I just thought of that 'cause Priya, you said it all started with our Junas doubts. And that's why then look at the mercy Krishna's giving Arjuna, she brought him in. - It's simultaneously the hardest and the easiest thing to do at the same time, like surrendering, giving our problems to Krishna, right? It's hard because we have this notion that we're the controller and that we need to get ourselves out of this mess if we put ourselves in it and like we need to fix things and we need to control it. But it's also simultaneously so easy to be like, Krishna, put your hands up. I like can't control any of this. I need your help. I need to put this burden on your shoulders now. And I remember every single time that I've had a prayer like that, Krishna just takes it away. - Totally. - Like magically within the next couple days or a week, like I just give it. But it's so hard and so easy at the same time. - I completely agree with that because you know, I remember my dad worded it so simply. He's like, it's our egos that keeps us all in this material world. And it's our egos that prevent us really from feeling like, you know what, what you said, put your hands up. I need help, Krishna, please help me. Because we might think it's out of like some, no, no, I couldn't possibly bother Krishna or whatever. But what is that that's preventing you from asking for help? It is number one, like you said, we want to control. And number two, it is a bit the we need that humility to be able to say, please help. - I'm totally lost. - So I was going to say on that, on humility, I think it is important because sometimes we're like, even in Krishna consciousness, outside of Krishna consciousness, it applies to many factors of our life. But we might be like, well, no, I'm failing so bad. I need to fix it myself because I don't want to show that I'm failing in some capacity. I don't want to ask for help because I'm not showing up the best way possible. And most of us want to show up in a good way, right? So we don't want to be like humility would take understanding like, okay, I am struggling. I am not able to do this. Like it is okay for me to seek help whatever is like a friend, mentor, Krishna through prayer, like to be able to recognize that like one, we can't fix everything just ourselves sometimes. And it's okay to not be in a perfect or ideal state of anything, of anything, right? I was, I saw this, I don't remember where I read this or something, but there was some, having a conversation with someone, they were saying something like, oh yeah, this person who works under me. Oh yeah, it was a conversation with Abhijit actually. And he was telling me about his co-worker and the manager basically was talking about how he has someone who works under him who was struggling, but he didn't hear it from that person. And so this whole time, the person looks like they're lazy and they're not interested in doing the work, but actually they were just struggling and they didn't have the knowledge or like they didn't feel comfortable enough being humble and be like, I actually don't, I need help. - Right, right. - But instead of asking for help, they look like actually they were not interested and just didn't care to do a good job, right? And so it's like, it's so hard, but it's so useful in so many aspects of our life to like realize where we're at and be humble and understand like, okay, I need help. I got to say it, I got to ask for it. - Right. - I can't control everything. - Totally. - Either Krishna, mentor, friend. There's always, you know, Krishna in different forms trying to help us. - Right, yeah. - Oh, absolutely. And I think framing in this way we're talking about now is requiring humility. It's nice because many times people don't think of it as it's because of my ego or a lack of humility. 'Cause oftentimes it comes from a good place. It comes from, no, I can do this, I really can. So we think we're working extra hard, but it's like, no, no, no, but you also, it requires that humility and that putting your head down and throwing your arms up like dropity of like, I have my limits and I have my walls and I really need some divine intervention right now to help me through this. - Yeah, I think there's also this notion of like, I don't wanna burden others. Like I don't wanna tell people this, I don't wanna burden anybody. But I think that Krishna just doesn't look at it that way. And he's just like, give it to me. I can hold it, I can definitely a lot stronger than you. So like just give it to me. Like I feel like Krishna is saying that to us, but we just have to take that leap of faith and like have that conversation and ask that question and do that prayer, you know? 'Cause like Krishna can handle it. There's nothing Krishna can't handle. - Right, and he's saying he's doing it happily in this first. - Happily, happily, happily. And it's also almost funny because, and I mentioned this to the friend, I was like, Krishna's already in our hearts and already knows. So it's almost like not praying to him. It's kind of just like, he's already in on the secret. You can just talk to him about it 'cause he knows. - Yeah, don't worry. - Yeah, love it. Anything else on 4T7? - Just one final interesting, do you wanna take it? - Yeah, I thought this was cool. It says, some have comments. So we were talking about how Arjuna and Sanjaya and all of the disciples and devotees were able to see Krishna's universal form. And Braupit says here, someone has commented that this form was shown to do the jolana. Also, when Krishna went to the jolana to negotiate for peace. - Evil D. - Yeah, that's evil D. So actually Krishna went to see Evil D and was trying to negotiate to avoid the war. And it says, unfortunately Evil D did not accept the peace offer, but at that time, Krishna manifested some of his universal forms. But those forms are different from the these ones shown to Arjuna. It is clearly said that no one has ever seen this form before. So I think like some of the fraction, exactly. Arjuna got the whole shebang, whereas Evil D got a fraction of it. - I still didn't even scare him. It didn't even scare him. - He saw like a little bit of Krishna's universal form. - My question is, how is Evil D not afraid of Krishna? - Dural then, out of his prize, probably, right? - Yeah. - Because it's interesting, it was out of Arjuna's humility that he was afraid, like, oh my gosh, I did so much to offend Krishna. And here he is in all his splendor and Duryodhana just wasn't even, I mean, he must have been phased, but maybe he didn't show it. I'm curious, how did that go down? Like Krishna said, here's a peace offering. Duryodhana was like, no thanks, brah. And Krishna's like, what's that? Universal form? - What's that? - Or it was just like, what's that? - Like an intimidating factor. - Like an intimidating factor. Or Krishna was like, here's a peace offering, shows the universal form, and then still Duryodhana's uninterested. Like at what point did the universal form come? And either way, I'm surprised that Duryodhana chose not to take Krishna as his, you know how under Duryodhana was given the option of either choosing Krishna or Krishna's army to fight on the-- - Before the battle, right? - If you see any aspect of the universal form, what makes you choose Krishna's soldiers over him? - You know what it is? I think it's like, you know what that term blinded with rage? - Yeah. - I think like everything that he was facing, like the ego, the pride, the anger, the rage, like that blinds you to what is actually true and real and what's right in front of you. - That's true. - Yeah. - Like the more covered over, you don't know what's good for you anymore, what weighs up and what weighs down. - Yep, yep, yep, yep. - Totally. - And that intensity to attachment to a certain desire, right? That can cloud so much of your logical judgment that it just like, you can't tell right from wrong anymore. - Absolutely. Wow, yeah. Interesting. - Righty then. - Next. - For example, 48, yes. Krishna is speaking. "Oh, best of the cruel warriors. "No one before you has ever seen "this universal form of mine. "For neither by studying the Vedas, "nor by performing sacrifices, "nor by charity, nor by pious activities, "nor by severe penances, "can I be seen in this form in the material world?" - Mm. - Interesting. - Makes sense. I feel like you're not showing all of the parts of you unless you're really, really close with someone. - That's true. - That is true. - And even though he showed Dirdo then his, or Evil D, his universal, some part of his universal form, it was maybe more of like, we don't know which one it was. It was like, look, I am the Supreme. Like, understand that you should not have this war. Or it was like, "Listen, I can meet you up "because I am the Supreme, whichever form it was." - It was cool, you know. - It wasn't his full body person choice. - Yeah. - Like whatever he wished to show. - Yeah. - Right. - So. - It's in the purport, it starts off by saying the divine vision in this connection is clearly understood because it makes this question, okay, who can have divine vision? And divine means godly. So unless one attains the status of divinity, he cannot have divine vision. Unless Krishna gives you through mercy. So it's not like we wake up one day and we'll just be able to see this with our material vision. So yeah, we can't have that vision without becoming divine like Arjuna. - Yeah, I kind of love this because like, at the end of the day, the answer to this verse is love, right? Like Arjuna loves Krishna. - Yeah. - Our values, Krishna respects Krishna and just like loves. And Arjuna asks that request to show the universal form like out of love, right? - That is so true. - And I'm just wanting to see it. And what is great about this verse is like, Krishna is saying, right? And I'm like, this is very important. No one has seen this before. Not by studying the Vedas, not performing activities or sacrifices by charity, by pious activities, nor by severe penises. Like none of like all of these ritualistic things, right? Like all of the book following things. Like no one got that opportunity by doing any of these things, but Arjuna got it because of love. - That is so true. - Right. - This is the most powerful tool. - Yeah, that's the greatest lesson that we can learn. If you remember nothing else from the Gita, just know that like Krishna, all he cares about is your love. - Yeah. - Like how kind loving, how much love you have for Krishna and for others because every Krishna is in everyone. - Yeah. - And it's so interesting because once you already reach the status of being a pure devotee and being eligible to see this, it says devotees who are actually in the divine nature and who have that divine vision aren't actually really interested in seeing the universal form of the Lord. So maybe at one point you were enamored by the splendor, by the grandeur of everything, but once you're qualified, you no longer even want it. You just want love. Like you're saying, Shama, and you want to be with Krishna. - Yeah. - That makes sense. - Yeah. - If you love Krishna, that means you like appreciate so much more of him that like a form of him is not going to be like so fascinating. - Right. - Not so fascinating, but like it's like cool. That's another aspect of you. I love you for so many reasons, right? - Yeah. - Like if you, I don't know, friend or partner or whatever, like they dress up and they look really nice. You're like, "Wow, that's so cool." But like, I love you just as you are when you're wearing pajamas, like, or whatever, you know, it doesn't matter. - Right. - So it's quite far out that before this time, no one ever saw this form. And now because of Arjuna's love, essentially, everyone can have some idea of what they call the Vishwarup or the universal form after this incident. - So cool. Thank you, Arjuna, for showing us. - Yeah. - 'Cause through your words, we kind of were able to see it. That's a beautiful ending, like, prayer. Thank you, Arjuna. - Yeah. - Jai. - Jai. - All right. We'll see you guys next time. - Yeah, thank you for listening for everybody. - Bye. - Bye. (upbeat music) - Hello, beautiful souls. If you like what you're hearing, please follow us on Instagram @modernyogipodcast. 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It’s been a whirlwind for Arjuna! Arjuna, overwhelmed by the divine vision of Krishna's universal form, humbly bows down and seeks forgiveness for any offenses he may have committed in ignorance. He acknowledges Krishna's supreme.