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#091 - Krishna's Universal Form Stuns Arjuna -- Chapter 11: Verses 20 - 27

Arjuna sees the grandeur and vastness of the universal form of Krishna, filled with divine radiance and adorned with countless divine weapons. Feeling a bit bewildered, Arjuna seeks reassurance and guidance from Krishna, recognizing him as the Supreme,

Duration:: 43m
Broadcast on:: 24 Jun 2024
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(upbeat music) - Welcome to the Modern Yogi Podcast. - Podcast. (upbeat music) - An exploration of ancient wisdom. - Hello, hello everyone. - Welcome back to the Modern Yogi Podcast. We're on episode number. - 91, 91. - 91. (laughs) - You never know what boys should expect from Shama. - I'm excited. - It's exciting. I don't even know. My name is Shama Sankita. - My name is Prida. - And my name is Shama Lee. - You know, literally our producer has to hold up a sign that says say your name, because if we didn't, we didn't have that sign. - Yeah. - We wouldn't say our name. - We wouldn't. We really wouldn't. We just like start talking. - We would just get so excited and be like, we're on episode nine, day one. - Yeah. - Okay, okay. But yeah, we are on chapter 11, text number 20. This ladies has been an invigorating, - Oh, viguriful. - Beautiful. - Adventuring. - Exciting. - Fantastical. - Multifested. - Magical. - Mystical. - Episode. - Episode. - Let's go, let's go. (all laughing) - I mean, I'm loving this chapter. - Seriously. - Seriously. - And to be honest, in kudos to the two of you, I'm finding new depth in this. Just rereading this as a group. - Oh, absolutely, same. - Because, yeah, like I would have just been like, okay, opulent, moon, blazing fire, okay, cool. But like, when you take the time to read every single word and like go into depth, it's so, it's so powerful. - It is, totally. - Yep. - It's like goosebumps inducing. - Yes. - It's amazing. But also you gave us so many good insights yourself that we were like, wow, amazing. So we're all contributing to the like mind blowing that is happening in every episode. - Yeah, like in the last one, you said something really cool about the line when Arjuna told Krishna, "You are the supreme primal objective." And I just glossed over the word primal and you brought it into focus of like, it's one of our primal, like it's the top primal need. Those primal needs like eating, sleeping, whatever, that's there as the top most. - You're welcome guys. - Yep. - No problem. - No, we'll have shrinks a week this is, y'know what that is, right? - What else would we say would be a good way to recap? The last couple of episodes we've done. - I mean, we spent a good amount of time just staring at plate 11 and like-- - Whoa, I never saw that, did you see that? There's Brahma on the lotus. There's a lot, many arms, bellies, beginning, middle, and blazing fire in the mouth. There's a lot. - We highly recommend you check plate 11. - Yeah. - Many, many times there's so much to see in there. And also we did, Shama did inspire everyone to please draw something out, sketch it out, photo, whatever, whatever medium you wanna use. - Yeah, it'd be digital or non-digital. - Yeah. - To depict the universal form. - Of course. - Take a picture, upload it to your Instagram, tag @mariyogipodcast. - @mariyogipodcast. - @mariyogipodcast. - And we will re-share yours onto our story of your beautiful creation of the universal form. - Yeah, and if you don't wanna post it on your Instagram, you can just send us a DM with the picture and then we'll screenshot it and then-- (laughing) - Give her a closer. - Do so much more work. So how about you just next thing? (laughing) - No, we'll do it. - For the universal form, we will do anything. - Literally. - Yeah. - All right, invocation, please, ladies. - Okay. (singing in foreign language) - Translation, I was born in the darkest ignorance and my spiritual master opened my eyes with a torch of knowledge. I offer my respectful obeisances onto them. Chapter 11, text number 20, predarshny. - Although, wait, who's talking? Let me just conclude. - Adjuna. - Adjuna, amazing. - Although you, Krishna, are one, you spread throughout the sky and the planets in all space between, oh, great one. Seeing this wondrous and terrible form, all the planetary systems are perturbed. - Whoa. - Whoa. - That's so, do you wanna read it one more time? - Yes. - It's so interesting. - Yeah, although you are one, you spread throughout the sky and the planets in all space between. Oh, great one. Seeing this wondrous and terrible form, all the planetary systems are perturbed. - Oh. - Oh, I get it. So he's saying, like, because whenever Arjuna, I know we're talking about like the VR set, you know, the virtual reality set that Adjuna has to see everything. The reality is that Krishna is expanding himself within the whole universe. And so when Arjuna is seeing the planets and Krishna amongst them and Krishna in all his forms and Brahma and Shiva and everyone, it's actually happening in the universe. It's not just virtual reality where it's not real. - Right. - And so the expansion of Krishna with fire coming out of his mouth or the, like all of these different expansions are scary to the planetary systems. - Right, exactly. That's a great point Priya. It's not just happening in Arjuna's mind, not like Krishna created this in his mind, but totally it's spreading throughout the whole planetary systems, which means, which means, so two words, pro pod says are significant. It's the two Sanskrit words, one of them meaning the space between heaven and earth and the other one meaning the three worlds. So those two words are significant or those two phrases because it appears that not only did Arjuna see this universal form of the Lord, but so did others in other planetary systems. They also saw it because, see Arjuna's seeing the universal form because Krishna gave him the vision. But the last line says, all whom the Lord endowed with divine vision saw that universal form on the battlefield. - Oh wow. - Oh wow. - So there were other people who could potentially have-- - Apparently so. - But we don't know who they are. - But all, yeah, we don't know who he gave the power to. - Right. - Yeah. - So pro has as Arjuna's seeing of the universal form was not a dream. So like there's others who saw it as well, but that's a great point that I didn't think of it like that Priya that it's spread, literally the form spread throughout the whole, it's everything. So it's spread everywhere. So everybody on all planetary systems who somehow, I don't know how, got the grace of that vision, we're seeing it. - Imagine you're just like going about your day and then, wow, bam, like. - Literally, Krishna. - It's something to sing the universal form. - I don't know. - Okay with that, yeah. (all laughing) - Okay with that. - I'd be fine. - I'd be fine. - I'd be fine. - But you know, it's really cool about this verse. It's like, he says, "Although you are one, you are spread through the sky and the planets." And the part that I love is like all the space in between, right? So that means literally, like what is between us and the sky and the planets? Literally everything is between that, right? So even the space between us, the space between us and like-- - Like particles and molecules and atoms and that. - Like that is like the coolest part of this verse. It's like you're one person and you are also the demigods, the planets, the sun, the moon, all the other things, but you are also the space between all of these things, which is literally everything. - Yeah, that's super amazing. How like a great way to phrase that, you know what I mean? Like you are the space between everything. - He's like right here in front of my face. - Yeah, he literally is. - In every Bible. - By that logic, yes. - Whoa. - Yeah. - That's really cool, I like that. - I love that visual, yeah. - Well that, you know, it's kind of like when they say, which it feels like a super distant thought that when you're chanting the mahamancha, he's literally dancing on your tongue and it kind of feels like, okay, but no, but really. - Like the space between? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, because of that phrase, I never, like I always like brush my teeth really well before I chant. - That's a good point. - I don't know. - I don't know. - Squeeze me? - What? - Yeah, yeah. - Tell me more. - I don't, basically, like, I've heard this phrase my whole life that when you chant Jabba, Krishna's dancing on your tongue, and I don't know where it comes from, but like, I think, okay, if Krishna's dancing on my tongue, my mouth has to be clean, like, I always-- - Wait, do you always brush your teeth before? - At least, like wash my mouth, like it's always clean. - Oh my God, that is so good. - That's so good. - I'm so sorry, Krishna. What a disgusting concept. - Oh my God. - He's totally dancing on a stage that is filled with martial lattes, you know? I need to clean my mouth before I chant. That's a good point. - That's just what occurred to me when I heard that phrase, so then it's just sort of how I felt. - You know what I love? The deeper you go on this path of bhakti, the more personal it becomes. 'Cause you can describe chanting like, yeah, there are sound vibrations that raise your consciousness. Yes, it is, but then to say like, you might sound crazy depending on what you're saying. - The more of the universe is dancing on my tongue. - It seems like I'm like, there's deeper and deeper ways to describe it and just becomes more and more personal. - Yeah, and I think now that you've said what you said, which is Krishna lives within everything between you and me, the space in here in front of us, like everything, then it makes so much sense, like you're saying, right? Like you were saying, Shammeli, like Krishna is all around us and when we're saying the holy name, even more so, because we're calling him, we're having a conversation with him, so therefore, yeah, all I need to do. I need to brush my teeth, clean my mouth. - There's no one takeaway from today, we're in the universal environment, I heard, I was like, I need to use the tongue cleaner. (laughing) If you've got nothing else from this chapter, just go get a tongue cleaner. - I do it in the morning, so tongue cleaner is good. - Yeah, tongue cleaner is good. - They're amazing, very good. Highly recommend. - Highly recommend. - If there's any tongue cleaner companies that want to sponsor this podcast, we would be open to that. - We really would. - Yeah, absolutely. - Oh my gosh. - Do you imagine us doing a real, like, we're a matayogi, yeah, and then we're just cleaning. - Why don't, guys, like a real talk, okay? - We're saying this out loud. You're all participating on, this is how our brainstorming process goes. - You know we're trying to do merchandise, right? We're trying to do merchandise, matayogi, merchandise, it'll come at you soon. - Oh my gosh. - But what if we do branded tongue cleaners? - That would be so cute. - Like the same monster yogi. - Oh my God, I love it. - Right? - Right? - On the back, it kind of says keep it clean for Krishna. (laughing) - I love it. - We might do this, we have to figure it out, we might do it. - This is a very feasible idea. - I like it. - Awesome, okay cool. - I like it, write it down. - All right, I'm gonna write it down. All right, back to the rest. - Moving on. (laughing) - Okay. - Oh. - Right. - So everyone, everyone saw it. - Anything else from 20? - It would be so curious, like, side note, who out there just was totally shocked with the planetary, or with the universal foreign. - Oh yeah, that'd be funny. - Yeah, that'd be funny. - That'd be funny to know. - But we also don't really know it. - Sinjaya, good to see it. - Sinjaya, good to see it. That's one of those people that caught the ability to, cool. - All right, text 21, Shama Sangita. - All right, that is I. - That is you. - Okay. - Arjuna said, all the hosts of demigods are surrendering before you and entering into you. Some of them, very much afraid, are offering prayers with folded hands. Hosts of great sages and perfected beings, crying all peace are praying to you by singing the Vedic hymns. - Okay, just read it one more time. - I have no idea. - I have no idea what I just read. - Okay, one more time, one more time. - Let's focus, okay? - Yeah, I'm sorry. - Arjuna said, all hosts of demigods are surrendering before you and entering into you. Some of them, very much afraid, are offering prayers with folded hands. Hosts of great sages and perfected beings, crying all peace are praying to you by singing the Vedic hymns. - A question, because I'm lost. - So, one at a time, what's the one at a time? - Okay, all of the hosts of demigods are surrendering before you and entering into you. - So my question, sorry. - Before you go into question, I just want to say, okay, so hosts of demigods is a weird way of phrasing it and I don't know what they mean, but so I looked at the sun's grid and it says groups of demigods. - Okay. - So can we go with that? - Yeah, all of the ghosts, or not ghosts, these groups, all of the groups of demigods are surrendering before you and entering into you. - The purport answered my question, but I'll just say it anyway. When you read the first line, they're entering into him. Part of me thought, oh, is that because it's the end of time and they're being annihilated, like he's representing beginning, middle, and end of the cyclical nature of the earth? But right, no, Propa just says the demigods in all the planetary systems feared the terrific manifestation of the universal form and it's glaring effulgence, and so they prayed for protection. - Yeah, it's more, like, okay, imagine, okay, I'm gonna try to describe this, how I see it in my brain. So imagine you're here right now, sitting in this living room and now this living room, and then all of a sudden, your vision is so able, that you're able to see through the second floor of this house, through the ceiling, through the sky, all the way through the clouds, through the ending, like through the atmospheric layers, and you can see the stars and the universe, like the above us in the sky, right? You're just seeing that much, and then furthermore, you can see different planets and you can see that all of that from where you're sitting, right, and then everyone that was in all of those planets, you can see those people too, and they're seeing the creation, and the creation is expanding forever and ever to the degree where they're kind of going into Krishna, Krishna's going into them, it's just like, it's all waiting everywhere. - And then all the fire and it's a good description. - So they're kind of like afraid, and they're also like, Krishna's all around them, through this form, universal form, that he's continuously expanding, right? 'Cause he's like, and the form is not like physical where you can like, in my mind, I can't, in my mind. It's not physical where you can like feel Krishna, like, you know, push you or anything. He's going through the planets, and he's kind of like just felt, felt and seen, but not pushing or like solid, if that makes sense. I don't know if that, like. - Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. I'm thinking, yeah, I don't know, I have, I mean, I imagine it's true what you're saying that you don't hit into him, but would he up there be solid? I don't, I guess not. - Or translucent. - It feels translucent to me in my mind, in my imagination, based on what I saw on plate 11. - Oh, wait, oh, so based on this one picture, you had this entire feeling mapped out. - Yeah, that's all I-- - Cool. - Moving on. - I think that's how they answer into him. I think that's part of it, right? - Oh, right, right. - That's what I mean, like, they're not, like, it's like Krishna's expansions are kind of taking over their planets in a sense, so they're entering into him in a subtle way, but he's translucent. - That makes sense, right? Because it's expanding the universal form, so it would make sense why they're entering into him, not, like, does it make sense how I thought, like, oh, it represents beginning, middle, and end, so it's like the end of creation, they're entering into him being demolished, but no, right, they're just going about their lives, enjoying in whatever, in the heavenly planets, and then wabam, they just see this, and enter, that's so cool. - Yeah, that's a visual I have in my mind. - Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. - Maybe we'll learn more as Arjuna keeps explaining. - Yeah, and okay, some of them, very much afraid, are offering prayers with folded hands, wow, okay. - Yeah, I wonder what the others who are not afraid and not praying, maybe they, what were they doing? - Well, it says those that are great sages and perfected beings, so that we would consider them to be the ones that are maybe not afraid, are saying all peace, and are praying to you by singing Vedic hymns. So they're like, okay, this is an auspicious time, we get to see Krishna, let's sing Vedic hymns, and say, I wonder what the Sanskrit word for all peace is. - Let's say swasti. - Swasti. - Okay, so they're like, swasti, swasti. - Don't hurt us. (laughing) - Very cool. - Yeah, right, this is very interesting, right? - Yeah, fascinating, yeah. - Shamli, text 22. - Yeah. - All the various manifestations of Lord Shiva, the Adityas, the Vasus, the Sagyas, the Vishvedevas, Vishvedevas, the two Ashvis. - No, you're doing great. - You're doing great. - The two Ashvis. - I'm so glad I didn't get this first. - The Marutes, the forefathers, the Gandharvas, the Yakshas, the Asuras, and the perfected demigods are beholding you in wonder. - Shamli, one more time. - No, okay, five, I didn't know, but you understood. - No, no, I didn't understand it, you used to repeat that verse for one. - You do, yeah. (laughing) Good. - Remember when I made fun of you for the one pronunciation? - This is happening now, this is happening, okay. (laughing) - Chapter 11, number 22, Shamli. - Okay, all the various manifestations of Lord Shiva, the Adityas, the Vasus, the Sagyas, the Vishvedevas, the two Ashvis, the Marutes, the forefathers, the Gandharvas, the Yakshas, the Asuras, and the perfected demigods are beholding you in wonder. - Ooh, girl, good job. - Oh, that was really good. - That was really good. - Yeah, that was smooth. - Yeah. - Thank you. - So what's happening now? - No, what's happening? What did you just read? - So Krishna keeps expanding and all these demigods in different places, in different planets are just looking at Krishna in awe. That's what happens. - Ah, and there is no purport here. So we're just gonna take it for face value. (laughing) - That's all we got. - Yeah, that's it. So yeah, there, yeah. But it makes sense with this whole, I agree, Priya, with the feeling that played 11 gave you. I feel it too, you know? Like as they're like the universal forms expanded, they're entering it, or Krishna entered them, whatever. - It's like a cloud. - Like a cloud, and they're just surrounded by it. - Yeah. - And engulfed in it. And they're like, wow. And I imagine they pray, they go to their knees. Sposty, sposty. - Yeah. That's what I imagined too. - You know what's crazy is that like, there's always this talk about hierarchy, right? Like it's like, oh, like some people argue in our comment section about hierarchy, and like there is no hierarchy. And like they're, in the gita, there is multiple verses where there is a subtle mention of hierarchy, right? - What question did we say we have to ask someone to prove whether they're really God or not? - Can you show me your universal form? - Yeah. - Show me your universal form. - Can the demigods expand to the universal form? - If it looks like played 11, then you got it. But if it doesn't, then you're next. - Sorry. - Yeah. - Sorry. - Yeah. - That's it. - So yeah, there's definitely a hierarchy, and the demigods bow down to Krishna in all of it. - And reverence. - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. - Beautiful. - Okay. - 23, eight per year darshny. - Oh, mighty armed one. All the planets with their demigods are disturbed at seeing your great form, with its many faces, eyes, arms, thighs, legs, and bellies, and you and your many terrible teeth, as they are disturbed, so am I. - So again, these are like not separate faces, separate arms, separate thighs, but like many Krishna's who contain all of these put together into one being? - That's my hope that Arjuna's making it sound like they're disjointing hearts. - I know. - It's a huge bunch of whims. - Played 11 didn't answer this question, so I don't know. - So it does feel to me like they are part of the many faces and the many bodies, but-- - Yeah. - I can see how, yeah. - So Arjuna's saying like all of the demigods are kind of scared at seeing this form, right? And they're disturbed and so am I. And I'm trying to think of like one of the beautiful goddesses that I grew up worshipping actually, Saraswati Ma, the goddess of knowledge, and learning, and music, and art, and like all, have you ever seen a picture of her? She's so gentle, and so beautiful, and so elegant, and just like, just like so gentle, right? Now imagine like her seeing this divine form of Krishna. - Oh wow. - Like I can imagine the demigods being scared, right? And offering like awe and reverence. - Yeah, yeah. And then Arjuna also being scared, because if you, if God is showcasing you everything, the good and the bad, and you see literally everything, that can be such a scary place, you know? - Yeah, and I wonder also if it's more than fear, because not like more than fear is more scary, but I mean, it could also just be complete overwhelm. Like there's so many things, I looked up the definition of the word disturbed just to see if there's more to it, and it says having had its normal pattern or function disrupted, right? So it's just out of the norm, incredible, amazing, awe. Like it doesn't have to be just scary, because for some that they're very knowledgeable, and you know, very dear to Krishna, they may be like, oh wow, I'm just surprised. - Yeah, it's like something out of the ordinary. Like it's like all the demigods are usually getting their coffee in the morning, and then all of a sudden, they see the universal form of Krishna. - It is an odd day out for that. You know, like in the middle of their work day, like that's a lot. - We literally in the previous episode read that for the first time, Arjuna, who normally saw Krishna as a friend, bow down. That was different for him. That disturbed the normal pattern. He never saw him with like total awe and reverence. - Right, yeah. - He always saw him as a friend. So I think that's part of this also, right? - Wow. - Yeah, it's a change in their day, you know? - This is not a normal day for them. - You see an interesting demigod to do a case study on. Like what? - A day in the life of Shama Sangeeta. - I mean, I don't know. - No, I don't know. - I don't know. - Where did this come from? - You said drinking coffee, going about their mornings, and then earlier when you were like, I'd be okay with that to the universal form interrupting your day. I could just picture you like eating grapes and totally unfazed. You see the universal form, you're like, all right. - And then there was another episode where I was like, I'd be in the fetal position crying. (laughing) So like I'd talk to the game, but I'd probably be in the fetal position crying. - I would love to see your reaction to the universal form. - If you want to see me crying on the floor, like, well, baby. - Oh yeah, so imagine that's what we pray to Krishna. For Krishna, please let me see Shama Sangeeta's reaction to you as a universal form. - Well, she said you were not losing the last one. - So come comedically, not an act. - Yeah, yeah. - Lots of love was there. - Lots of love, lots of love. - Anyway. - Anyway. - There's 24. - There's someone who eats us. - That's me. - Okay, Arjuna said. (laughing) Arjuna says, oh all-pervading Vishnu, seeing you with your many radiant colors, touching the sky, your gaping mouths, and your great glowing eyes, my mind is perturbed by fear. I can no longer maintain my steadiness or equilibrium of mind. - Okay, so it is fear. - That's the first time he's called in Vishnu. - Maybe it's not fear, but it's like, it's fear. - It's fear. - It's fear, it's fear. - Yeah, it's like how you feeling? Good? Yeah, I said good. Okay, it's good then. (laughing) - Yeah, up until this point, he's called him Krishna. So this is the first time this did that to me, that he's calling him Vishnu. - Ooh, fancy. - Good catch. - Yeah, thanks. - Yeah, all-pervading Vishnu. - Wow. - So he's kinda like, whoa, you are a lot and I'm a little afraid, but I'm still in awe of you. Still respect you a lot. - Yeah, they're like, when Bella tells Edward the vampire, I'm afraid. - Nope, we're not going there. I have no idea what you're talking about. This is Twinkle. Do I like? (laughing) Twinkle series, right? (laughing) - Oh my God. - Sorry, too old for this. - That is hilarious. - You're not making Twilight references. (laughing) - It's Twinkle Riffle and his references. - No, just in the same way that Bella was totally in love with Edward, but there was one moment where he revealed himself as a vampire and she was afraid for a moment. - Okay, that's, that's not a parallel comparison. - No, no, for someone who read Twilight, it might be relatable and it's totally-- - Thank you, really. - I mean, I totally mean a pop reference. I was just gonna say, I was doing a Shama. You were doing a Shama. (laughing) Okay, so you know what's so interesting? I love that this is like kind of a breaking point for Arjuna, 'cause he's like-- - Yeah, you love that. - I mean, he's like, he's articulating his needs. You know what I mean? He's like articulating when it's uncomfortable now. - Yeah. - You know? - Yeah. - Like he is like, say-- - I cannot do this anymore. - Yeah, he's about to say that. Right now he's just like, this is how I feel now this is what I need. - Yes, yes, exactly. - Exactly, exactly. - It's emotionally intelligent. - A very emotionally intelligent man, right? Like he said, this is what I feel and he's about to say this is what I need. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know that's like the hymns that way. I call it a hymns but it's actually called non-violent communication. - Can't tell me more about this. - Yes. - So basically non-violent communication is that you're supposed to state like, I feel, blah, blah, blah, blah based on the situation. So I feel afraid, I feel happy, I feel joy, I feel concerned, I feel whatever anxious, whatever feeling you might have. And then you follow it and I feel this because of the observation you give, which is non-judgmental and it doesn't place on anything else. And then the next step is, and I need, blah, blah, blah, blah. So basically, I feel afraid from your gaping mouth, no judgment, you're going eyes. Again, no judgment, and I need, stop, please. - Yes, essentially, that's like a hymns, he's practicing a hymns communication. - Yeah, beautiful. - What a beautiful man. - I love it. - Beautiful man. - Oh, beautiful man. - Yeah, he's literally saying I can no longer maintain my steadiness or equilibrium of mine. He's like, dude, you're driving me crazy, I'm a little scared and I need you to go back to normal. - Yeah, I think that's what he's about to say. - That's what he's about to say. - So, Shamal, you wanna read it? - Okay, 25. - Oh, I like how he references him here. He says, oh Lord of Lords, oh refuge of the worlds, please be gracious to me. I cannot keep my balance seeing thus your blazing death like faces and awful teeth in all directions, I am bewildered. - Oh, one more time, please stop. - Yeah, I can barely keep my balance in the morning when I wake up, so what to speak of when you're just totally bewildered. - Well, one more time, Shamal. - Yes, oh Lord of Lords, oh refuge of the worlds, please be gracious to me. I cannot keep my balance seeing thus your blazing death like faces and awful teeth in all directions, I am bewildered. Wow. - I think in all cultures, even in ancient Vedic times, people didn't like bad teeth. (laughing) 'Cause there has been multiple references to bad teeth. - I don't think he means like they look bad, I think he means they're ferocious. - I mean, awful, they're awful. (laughing) - Literally, it's an awful, okay? - So go to a dentist and use a tongue scraper. - Yeah, and we're taking away from that. - A tongue, a tongue scraper, sponsored by modern Yodie Pockens. - Oh goodness, oh goodness. - No, but this is great, this is like multiple times that gruesome teeth or awful teeth have been referenced. So just to show you how important oral hygiene is. Where you are in the world, show you are. - I tend to feel like they're talking about scary teeth, not. - Well, you know what's weird, I'm looking at the sunscreen, trying to figure out what they mean by awful, and the word they use is terrible. So see, that's what I said. - That is what you said, you made it right. - But Krishna would have beautiful teeth. - Right, no, I feel like part of his, like some of the his expansions that are more demonic, like would have to fit the profile. 'Cause you imagine like this crazy ugly demon, but they had a winning smile, you know what I mean? So like I think it's just part of the brand for them. That like the more scary aspect. - I understand what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. - Plate 11, if we zoom in, the one who's spewing out fire on the left has like pointed teeth. I mean, they look white and curly, but they're pointed, they're pretty terrifying. - It looks like a vampire, if I'm being honest. - Oh yeah, I see that, I see that. - See that? - Yeah. - You see, I think we cannot know for sure, but we're gonna go with ugly, sharp, scary teeth. - I like that. - And you know, if we come out with them, Haranyogi, tongue scraper. - Yeah. - You know, that's one way to always remember Krishna. - Yeah! - That is one way to always remember. - What is the slogan that we're putting on that, on that tongue scraper? - What did I say? - Keep your mouth clean for Krishna. - Keep your mouth clean for Krishna. - We need a trademark then. - We do. - Copyright model yogi, it's ours. - Yeah, so we can't just say it into a microphone and then get a trademark. - I actually think, maybe we can, 'cause the proves that we did it first. - We did it first, but we have to do it. So let's keep moving on. - I'm having a long time. - I'm having a long time pending. - I'm almost struggling, I'm dropping stuff. I choked on water earlier. - You got this, Krishna. - I love that, Arjuna's like, please be gracious to me. - I know, what does that feel like for you? - I love that, because he's like, he's asking for mercy, right? I cannot keep my balance. Seeing those stabilizing death like faces and awful teeth. In all directions, I am bewildered. So remember, Arjuna started off bewildered and then now he's back to bewildered. So like, for a different reason. - Yeah, for a different reason. So we need to get Arjuna back to a state of equilibrium because this has been a rollercoaster ride of emotions for Arjuna. - He's struggling. - It really has been for us too. The readers, it's been a lot. We're back in anxiety. We want to run to the forest. - Which is kind of like our human existence. It's like getting bewildered, finding the truth, understanding it, and then-- - Getting thrashed around. - And then getting thrashed around by life and then being bewildered again. And then that happens over and over for like 90 years. - You know, like the name of the dog drinking coffee in a burning house. It's all fine. - This is fine, this is fine, this is fine, this is fine. - On another note, I really think that that phrase, please be gracious to me, is really nice. And I might start using it in discussions and conversations with people like my husband. - Use it in a sentence, like how would you use it with your husband? - Okay, why'd you do that? - Please be gracious. - And that is me. - Oh, sweetie, okay. - Arjuna said it to Krishna on my face. - I'm like, if I say, I mean-- - I'm just a girl. - I'm just a girl, please be. - I'm just in Arjuna. - I'm older. - I'm just in Arjuna. - The moment you said it, I was like, "Oh, dang, I want to be gracious to her." - Okay. - Yeah, it works. - And the next time my students aren't listening to, please be gracious to me. - I love that. - I'm not trying to do that. - I am a teacher and I'm tired to teach you. - I love it. So yeah, please be gracious to me as a great line to use if you want someone to stop being mean to you. - And that's interesting how he says, "Not just I am bewildered in all directions. "I am bewildered." Like there's not an ounce left of composure. - Side, left, right, everywhere. - Yeah. - What a roller coaster. - I think it's crazy. - That was the best point, Shama, that we're back and he started bewildering. We're back and they're full circle back. - I love that. - And again, different kind of bewildered, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - If you have to put that into words, what's the difference? - The difference is at the beginning, he was like afraid of what his actions might do and he wanted to run away. - Okay, yes. - And now he is like, I have so much new information and you are so powerful and like my lord in all ways and I don't even know what to do with that right now. - And I'm surrounded by awful teeth and now I'm a beginner. - Yes. - And he's almost like, you know how they say progress goes like up like this. Like for those who are just hearing it, it goes like in a ladder, like you go up, down, up, down but each down is higher than the previous down. You know what I mean? So it kind of goes each up, each, each, well, that's higher. But each low is gonna be higher than the previous low. - Oh, I know what you're saying, so it's less low. - Yes, less low. So our Juna just went through all of the steps of like, he went through all the chapters of the Gita where Krishna talked about being equipoise, an equilibrium not too hot, not too cold, da, da, da, da. And our Juna built his way all the way up to now when he's bewildered, like you say, it's not the same as when he was bewildered on step one of the Gita. - For sure, total. - Yeah, this is next level. - Next level bewildered. - Yeah. - Okay, text 26 and 27, who dad? - I think he's me. - Briadarshi. - Briadarshi. - All the sons of Dritrastra along with their allied kings and Bhishma and Drona and Karna and our chief soldiers also are. - Okay, you all know what you're saying, yeah. Can you stir her again? - Chapter 11. - Chapter 11. - I'm just going to stir her again. - She made me read it by twice. - Chief shoulders. - Sorry, guys. - All right, chapter 11, chapter 26 and 27. - Okay. - All the sons of evil D along. - See, it's a hard word, Shammelie. - I just say it's good. - Okay, you want me to say the full word, fine. All the sons of Dritrastra along with their allied kings and Bhishma and Drona, Karna and our chief soldiers also are rushing into your fearful mouths. And some I see trapped with heads smashed between your teeth. - Well, that escalated quickly. - Yeah, and in this context, okay, you know how like in the other verse, when one of you read the demigods entering into Krishna, I thought, oh, is that at the end of destruction? We were like, no, no, no, they're just entering him because they're also seeing the universal form. In this context, we'll read the purple, but I feel like, isn't he seeing them now entering? Kind of like they've died at the end of the war entering. - I think we should read the whole purple. We can take turns if you guys want to. - Nice, go for it. - I'll start it, okay. In the previous verse, the Lord promised to show Arjuna things he would be interested in seeing. Now Arjuna sees the leaders of the opposite party, Bhishma, Drona, Karna and all the sons of Dritrastra and their soldiers and Arjuna's own soldiers are all being annihilated, annihilated. - Thank you, sorry. Go, Shammel. - Okay, by the way, you nailed evil D, like Shammel and I both looked at each other like, wow. - Thanks. - Like Sanskrit pro. - Okay, I'll go. (laughing) This is an indication that after death, after the death of nearly all the persons assembled at Kukshitra, Arjuna will emerge victorious. It is also mentioned here that Bhishma, who is supposed to be unconquerable, will also be smashed. - Wow. - So also Karna. Shammel. - Thanks for the last line. - That's fine. (laughing) Not only, I'm sorry, wait. - Not only will the great warriors of the other party, like Bhishma be smashed, but some of the great warriors of Arjuna's side also. - Thank you. - Wow, nope. - Thank you. - So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, if I'm reading this properly, Arjuna is having a vision of the future. - Right. - Of all, yes, right? Of all of the army people, I mean, army people, you know what I'm talking about, the soldiers of Shammel, Karna, and like everyone being, even people on Arjuna's side. She's like getting a vision into the future of what's gonna happen right now. - Yeah. - That's kind of big. - Wow. - I think this is something that makes me a little uncomfortable. - Yeah. - Because I think talking about the Bhagodita, so like the words in the Bhagodita, the things that we learn are really fascinating, but the actual aspect of like war and death, like I don't know how to reconcile the fact that like at the end of the day, the message Krishna is saying is they're already dead, so kill them anyways. Or at least that's one way to interpret it. And I think that that's really hard. And I think this verse is sort of saying that in a way. Like, look, I'm showing you that they're already dead. So that's just, you're just gonna have to go do and go kill them because they're already dead anyways. - Right, okay. So I wanna take a step back and say, and like really talk about the context of how we got here, right? - Right. - There's so many evils that have been committed by these folk that have to go punished in some way, right? Because if good people do nothing while evil pervades, then like literally evil will take over everything. And like these folks contributed to so many evils that more was necessary to keep good and righteousness in the right place. - Right. And sorry, but we did talk about it at the beginning that also the Pandavas went through so many lengths to avoid the war. - Yeah. - Even though they accepted being banished, they went exile, they tried every single thing to where this was the last resort. 'Cause I agree, Priya, I'm not into war. I don't agree with it. I think like, can we find other solutions? But maybe this was an exception. So Krishna kind of came in to play this role at a very specific time where this war was unavoidable. Kind of like in Dune, they say the religious battle, right? - Haven't seen it, sorry. - Shama, did you see Dune? - No. - Okay, nevermind. - Sorry, anyway, they called it the religious battle. I don't know that much about it. But it just, in a way, this was a darmic religious battle, you know, that maybe was different than most, but what is more of your feeling? - Yeah, I think, I'm gonna just put thoughts out there. I feel like I can rationalize the reasoning behind all of this, but like the thing that comes up is at the end of the day, I guess, okay, I guess I'm just gonna answer my own question, but I think the position of Arjuna seeing all these people dying and then saying, well, I'm gonna kill them anyway, seems so, like if I was in his position, I would be like, well, then why don't you do it? And I don't have to do it. Like, why is it that it's my position to do something like this? And then I can say that, well, maybe it's karmically just Arjuna's responsibility, darmically his responsibility as a chutria, like, you know, there's maybe more that I don't personally understand, but it is, I think, hard on an individual level to understand why he had to kill his family members. - I agree, could be, 'cause the wording there's interesting, that one sentence, now Arjuna sees the leaders of the opposite party and their own soldiers, Arjuna's own soldiers are annihilated. So maybe, 'cause Arjuna was the most powerful warrior, so no one else could do what Arjuna did, because apparently everyone else kind of does get annihilated. Arjuna and the Pandavas and maybe a few others survive. So maybe it would have made a difference if Arjuna didn't fight. You know, Arjuna's one of Krishna's eternal associates, so maybe Arjuna really was the one of the, he had to step into that role, you know? 'Cause I agree, if it were me, I'm not a satchu and I'd be like, yeah, yeah, you do it. It's gonna happen, you do it, I'm running, I'm running to the forest, I'm gonna come back later and do my duty. - I'm gonna come back later. - I'm gonna come back later, yeah. - Yeah, so may, I don't know, but I'm theorizing. - That's a good thought process. - Is there anything else that makes you uncomfortable about it, because I know, even this last part is kinda, like I see some trap with head smash between your feet, like this, that's like aggressive, you know? - It's traumatic, like he's looking at something that's about to happen and then he's gonna have to do it. - And they start off, ProPods starts off the purple by saying, "The Lord promised to show Arjuna things, "he'd be very interested in seeing." Is this what you're interested in, but I think it's also like what he's interested in is like, you've already won the war too. You mean you have to have confidence in knowing that I know what's gonna happen and I'm showing you what's gonna happen, so therefore you just have to do your duty, right? - Do you think, do you think that's because Arjuna, I don't, do you think Arjuna was afraid to lose the war? - Maybe Arjuna, I don't think so, I almost feel like Arjuna would've been like, - I think he was afraid to fight the evil. - Oh, in the general sense. - Yeah, right because the evil was his family members. - Right, you know, when you hear the, I heard the audible of the Mahabara, which pre-actually turned beyond to when I, you know, was in the hospital and had broken my back. Anyway, there they describe a lot of the backstory, a lot of the questions that, what was their mindset before and after, and I heard it a couple of times a long time ago, so it's big, but I know, I think at one point, Arjuna didn't even feel interested in winning the war, he just kind of wanted to not even be a part of it, he was totally depressed about it, so he went through many different emotions. - That's the vibe I get. The vibe I get is that he doesn't necessarily care for winning, I think he's just like, what's the point of all of this? So I guess maybe Krishna's saying, let me show you the point is that, at the end of the day, this was gonna happen anyways, so even if you weren't there, if you were there, this would've been the outcome, but you're needed for X, Y, and C reasons. I think that's like, oh yeah, sort of. There's this like, again, they did try everything to avoid this war, there's this Martin Luther King quote that I love, and it says, "To ignore evil is to become complicit to it," right? And I think that being him being a shutri out, like a soldier, like this is his duty to face this, because who else is gonna stand up to evil, right? - Yeah, I mean, these were the opposing side, his own family tried to kill him since they were young, and they grew up together, and they spent their lives trying to kill the noble Pandavas, then they humiliated their wife, Draupadi, there was time and time again, they've just shown that they're beyond, they're demonic, they were beyond change. - Yep, yep, yep, I hope that makes you feel better about the traumaticness of this first. - I think it's very intense for Arjuna, and I can't wait to see what else Krishna says and what else happens, because I do think, seeing the universal form, understanding Krishna fully, then also seeing what's about to unfold, but in a different way, it's a lot, it's a lot mentally, I know Arjuna's very capable and strong and all these things, but wow, what a difficult position to be in. - Oh, totally. - You know when people, there's sometimes, when people are about to die, they see a flashback of their whole life, right? People have said that they've seen a flashback of their whole life. What's interesting in this case is, Arjuna's seeing a flash forward into what's going down, which is so crazy. - I feel like a little harder at times. You don't know, you're seeing what? - Or easier, because if you know what's gonna happen, then you just gotta show up and do your job. - Yeah, but if it's calamity, such as a battle, that feels intense. - And calamity is a hard word. Yeah, it's hard to see calamity. But you know, and I know it's gonna work, though. - Thanks. - I've mentioned before, 'cause when you said Shama, or it could make it easier, like my mom would reference this part of the Bhagavad Gita back when I handled the nerve from ice skating, and I talked before, but just super brief, you're like, I would be super nervous about to compete. And she said, just like Arjuna wanted to run away, Krishna showed him, this has already happened before. So you just need to step into your role and fight. - Oh, and that's been so nice skating? - It made it easier. All of this has already happened before, so I just need to step into doing what I know how to do, and the rest will happen the way it's meant to happen. It totally took off the pressure of the nerves. - That is cool. In that perspective, that's amazing. - Yeah, so we can apply it to any aspect of our life. If you're nervous about to do something, give a speech, whatever you might be nervous about, if you're going to go into a difficult conversation, it's kind of like, okay, deep breath, this has all already happened before. There is already an outcome to all of this, and it's going to happen exactly the way it's meant to happen for me, not against me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. - So we need to trust in Krishna's timing. - Absolutely. - Trust in Krishna's plan. - So I know this is all a very traumatic, it is a traumatic portion, and Priya, you're taking it with such a gravity that I think is also necessary, 'cause you're really putting yourself in Arjuna's position. You know? But then, yeah, we can extrapolate the positive is that, okay, whatever is difficult to traverse in your own life, think of it like this, it has all already happened before. - Oh, I like that. - I like that. - That's really helpful for, especially for things that you're afraid to do that will probably have a positive outcome. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - That was beautiful, shall we? - Very nice. - All right, let's end on that note, and in the next episode, we will be on chapter 11, text number 28. - Yeah. - See you next time. - Bye. - Bye. (upbeat music) - Hello, beautiful souls. If you like what you're hearing, please follow us on Instagram @modernyogipodcast. And if you love what you're hearing, please make sure to share a link to our podcast @modernyogipodcast with all your friends, families, and along lost cousins. And if you have any questions at all, send us a DM on Instagram @modernyogipodcast, and we'll be sure to get back to you. Thank you for listening to "The Modern Yogi." 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