(upbeat music) - Hello, my name's Kamal Grant and this is You Don't Know What You Don't Know, the latest podcast on the Hope Cast Network, where I, Kamal Grant, go talk to leaders in the consumer package goods world because I need to know more things. I'm trying to launch a new brand called Magic Middle's and I want to get it on all the grocery store shelves. So I'm talking to leaders in the industry so I can learn from them so I can learn and let the world know. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - This is the Hope Cast Network. Stories and shows you actually want to listen to. (upbeat music) - Wow, hello there. My name is Brad and this is Work Advice for Me. I'm so glad you're listening today because today is the first of two consecutive weeks we're gonna delve into the spooky. It's Halloween, right? Our next week is Halloween. Today is the week before Halloween. I love paranormal stuff, I love ghosts, I love anything that could scare my wife, basically. And today we get a chance to chat with someone that is an expert on something that I find really spooky. Our quest to meet successful people who do cool things that I personally find interesting is gonna take us down to Key West Florida. I watched last year the Robert the Doll documentary, I think it's on Macs, I know it's on Macs right now and Discovery Plus, but this doll and this documentary was incredible. So I wanted the Work Advice family to be able to learn more about Robert the Doll. So I reached out to the expert, David Sloan, about Robert the Doll. He's gonna share how many years he has spent researching this doll. The rules we have to obey or rule, we have to obey when visiting Robert the Doll. He's gonna share with us the first time he ever saw Robert the Doll. He's also gonna let us know what his favorite horror movie is. So it's a pretty packed pod, pretty packed conversation, but I know you're gonna wanna listen to it. 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So let's take your Halloween mask off, put the candy down, probably put away any dogs you have during this conversation, 'cause it's gonna make you, it's gonna freak you out, I promise you. Let's sit back and enjoy our conversation with David Sloan. Okay, so, what was your childhood like? - I grew up in Pennsylvania and taught at about 11. And the last thing I remember there, my mom took me to a Rolling Stones concert and then we moved to Texas. And it was good. I mean, I really, I really saw it at home in Texas, but, you know, I made my best friends. I was there through high school. And then I ended up moving to Florida for college. So I moved around a little bit, but I was in, in certain places, enough time to kind of form a basis. And it's interesting 'cause now we're spending a lot more time back in Pennsylvania. So it's almost like everything's coming around in the circle. - Ah, are you a Rolling Stones fan? - Yeah, yeah, I'm a big Rolling Stones fan. And you know, when I was 11, I had a friend who got me into that kind of music. You know, he turned me onto the doors and Jimmy Hendricks and all that kind of stuff. And, and that was one of the early things that Liz sparked under me. And I thought it was pretty incredible. And then when the Stones were coming in concert, I asked my mom, "Should we go to the Stones concert?" And she was incredible. And so she picked me and my sister out of school and took us to the Stones at JFK Stadium. - Wow, don't you admire that they're still going? And what are they in their late 70s at this point? - Yeah, they, they must be. I mean, who knows maybe even 80s by now? - Gosh, I do like the Stones. I'm a dead head. I love the Grateful Dead. So any time I'm going to listen to them. So, yeah. - Yeah, when I think the Grateful Dead, I mean, similar things. I think the best concert I've ever been to was the Grateful Dead. You know, they really know how to take things to the next level. - They definitely do. So you end up down in Florida, right? What, what was it like? - Okay, I want, how do I ask? Has, has ghost and that kind of stuff always fascinated you? As a child, where did that fascination come from? - So I had a kindergarten teacher in Pennsylvania, and this is you, the theater. And every day she'd tell us about the ghost at her house. And it was a Native American spirit. And she, you know, she'd tell stories about it knocking around behind the walls. It used to throw her cat down the stairs. Didn't like her cat a bit. And these stories really stuck with us. And, you know, she started every day with the latest antics of her ghost. And she promised on the last day of class she would show us a photograph of her ghost. And sure enough, she did. On that last day, she came in with a little slide photograph. And it was a flower pot on her window. So you could see the spirit standing behind it. So I've always had the interest in the paranormal. I don't think I ever knew to what level. And then my great aunt ran a hotel, great old hotel that my great grandfather was supposed to haunt. So the first spirit that I actually saw was there. I remember looking up in the window where the room was that he was supposed to be haunting. And I saw him looking back out. That was the first ghost you ever saw. Yeah. Did it, did it freak you out? Because I got to be honest, I would have been scared to death. No, when I found with the paranormal, normally when these things happen that we've looked back on as scary, normally when they happen, they're not. Because the brain is more confused. And the brain's trying to line up all these things like, okay, what's causing that? You know, is it a light reflection? Is there an actual human there? Is there this? Is there that? Is there that? So it's trying to make sense of things. And then I think it's after we've ruled all that out when we turn around, we're like, whoa, what the hell is that? And so I think, you know, so there's not that moment for that sheer terror or anything like that, you know, movies are good for that. But I think when you actually encounter the paranormal, first it's just kind of weird. - Speaking of movies, what's the scariest movie you've ever seen? - It's going back a long, long way, 'cause I'm more into music than movies, but I remember when I was a kid seeing American werewolf in London, and when his hands grew, I was terrified. When I ran out of the theater, I mean, I was a kid, I was probably too young to be seeing it. I've gone back and watched that scene again, and there's nothing weird about it now. But at the time, I remember that terrifyingly. And, but apart from that, I really like going down the railroad and trying to find things to freak me out there. - I was thinking you were gonna say poltergeist. I was having this conversation with my buddies earlier this week, and we all came to the assumption that was poltergeist was, but I said poltergeist, and they were correcting me on that, it's poltergeist. They were letting me- And that was a good one. But, you know, I get to spend time in a fort that was built on top of a burial ground show. (laughing) So, real life. - So let's talk about real life, real life horrors and real life scares. What's the scariest places that you've been to in America? Besides where we're gonna talk about where you're at now, don't include that one outside of where you're outside of Key West. Where's some places you've gone to that are pretty scary? - You know, it's interesting because over, you know, when everything was on lockdown, I started doing a show called Scaring Alone, where one person would go to the haunted location, and several others would get to direct them from the safety of our own computers. And this show, it became something really fascinating because we at times when everybody involved was starting to have activity happen, we really strange things happen. But the one that stands out to me was the Voleskum Axe murder house. And the Courtney, who is the ghost mate, who goes into these houses, she wasn't even able to stay the night there. I mean, she was supposed to stay the entire night that it just got too intense. And just being there and experiencing it through her, that stands out as one of my top places. When I was inspired to start operating ghost tours after I went to Edinburgh in Scotland, and we were looking for a bookstore there, and I saw a little chalkboard who said to ghost tour tonight. And you didn't really have ghost tours in the United States. There might have been two or three. And I'm like, oh, I've got to go on this. So this ghost tour, they took us to the underground vaults. And in Scotland, in Edinburgh, they could only build up so many levels with the current architecture, you know, at the time. So they started building down, you know, down with the ground. And they had these vaults that went several stories underneath. And there was a great fire that heated them up and killed everybody down there. And you walked into those vaults and it was absolutely insane. I mean, knowing that your six stories below ground that you could very easily be trapped, there were some witches who had set up an altar for protection. And one of the guests on the tour, he started kind of screaming, something was going through his backpack, pulling all of his stuff out of it. And he was standing at the back of the group. - Oh, wow. Wow. - So that was pretty intense. - That's an intense story. I want to actually go back. Did you say Courtney was ghost bait? - Yeah, yeah, she's explaining ghost bait to me. 'Cause that's a fascinating term that I've never heard before. And I would not want that job. - We'll find these great historic homes. You know, the producers wanted these different houses, these great haunted locations. And she goes in alone. She'll go in with her phone, just so we get the live feed from her. And as she's going through, we'll kind of reveal the story to her. She'll go through different rooms. She'll try to interact with the spirits and get them involved. So she's really the bait to lure them out. And it gets, it's pretty wild, what can happen. - Okay, so what would you say to skeptics that are like, I've never seen a ghost. I don't believe it because, I mean, you've seen it. You believe it. What would you tell someone that doesn't? - Right, well, I'd say I don't blame you. Because I think everybody's a little different. What I found with paranormal, it's really interesting, but I was, so I started ghost tours in Key West in 1996. And we used to go by this old haunted theater. And it had formerly been a church and there was a story about it burning with children in it. And we're standing out there one night. And the place is abandoned. You can see inside the door, straight down the aisles. And sometimes it looks and they said, what's that? And so some other people start looking and it's like, well, I'll be damned. And there's this white, almost like Mr. Ball of Cotton that started moving towards us. And it was getting larger and larger and larger. And when it got up to the window, it turned into a little girl. And she was transparent. She was transparent. She was less than a foot from my face. She looked out at the street, but she was looking right through us. It was if she didn't see a single one of us there. And then she turned around and she disappeared. Now, when this was happening, with a group of about 30 people, approximately half of them could see this and they're just standing there in amazement, saying, oh my God, look at her, look at her. And then the other 15 people were like, what? What is it? I can't see anything. And you know, the people are seeing her like, shut up, shut up, shut up. So after it was been talking to different people, none of them were lying. Some of them saw it, some of them didn't see it. But people who weren't together described the same thing. And they got me thinking, why is this something that only some of the people would see? And I think it works with frequencies, almost like with a radio station. If you and I shared a car and I listened to heavy metal and you listen to rock and roll and I get in the car and I push the button and it starts playing heavy metal. But when you get in, it plays rock and roll. And if I told you, oh my God, there's heavy metal coming through here, there's country coming through here. You'd be like, no, absolutely not. It only plays rock and roll because of the tuning. And so I think with the paranormal, it's almost like a tuning thing like that. And different things can lead to it being more tuned in. I think some people are born with it. Some people can reach that level by studying it and being around it a lot. And then there's other people who reach it through drugs or alcohol or I think people who are deemed crazy. But I think crazy is kind of down there on that dial with the paranormal where it's just fine tuning and people will be labeled as crazy, but maybe they're just more tuned in to this stuff happening on a different level. - I think if someone's getting, if they're seeing a lot of ghosts, it probably would drive them to drinking also, right? - Yeah, yeah, I think that's a very real thing. - Yeah, if you're, okay, so do people come up to you and tell you their ghost stories a lot of times? - Yep, yep, all the time. - So do you ever hear stories where in your mind, if I'm telling you a story, you're like, this guy's full of crap. Or do you measure every one of them as it could have happened? Or is there just people that come up and you're like, no, there's no way that happened. - I'm not really there to judge them as to whether their story's real or not. 'Cause I think if they're telling the story, then there's a purpose for it with them. And with me being so separated, without being there, without experiencing it, it's very difficult to judge. I mean, you can, after dealing with ghost stories for a long time, you can pick up on certain things that you can tell stories that are urban legends that have been passed down a lot. So if someone's trying to pass one of those off as their own, a lot of times you can tell the stories that have been passed along like that. But for the most part, people are very sincere and with whatever they're experiencing, if they believe it's a spirit, I'm not one to tell them, no, that's not what's happening. - I like that. So, you know, was it last year or the year before the Robert the Doll documentary came on discovery? Last year? - I think the last year, maybe beginning of this year. - I gotta say, one of the best discovery documentaries I've watched and great, great, great stories. I must have talked about it for a week with my buddy Trent who shares my same horror fascination and paranormal fascination that you and I share. I've just never had a ghost experience. If I did, I would totally wanna share that with you right now, but I don't have one. What brought you down to Key West and what was your first interaction with Robert the Doll? - I moved to Key West to start a ghost where after I saw the one in Scotland, I said that's what-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. - Yeah, so I was like, that's what I wanna do. I used to manage cruise ships. I quit my corporate job and moved to Key West. And I was, you know, I was trying to research the ghost there. I was finding nothing. Nobody was talking about ghosts at the time. And then I hit the treasure trove on one of my trips to the library. They had this walk-in vault with all these clippings from the past 30 years. And I marked all the different haunted houses that I could find reference to on a map and started knocking on doors. And I went to the artist house, which is the home where Robert the Doll lived. And the owner, Daryl, answered the door and I said, "Hey, I'm here to talk to you about your ghost." And he said, "Oh, you wanna hear about Robert?" He said, "No, I'm looking, I wanna hear about the man." The ghost of Ann Otto was the one that I had read about. He goes, "Oh, no, you wanna hear about Robert?" He said, "No, I really wanna hear about Ann." He's really talking about this haunted doll and I thought he was crazy. And he said, "Do you wanna see the room "where, the attic room where Robert lived?" And I said, "Yeah, the phone, you know, "old school telephones, it flew off the hook "and extended all the way out and bounced back. "A bookcase, the door opened up, "try to stop us from going upstairs. "We get up to this attic and it looked like "a creepy kids party was about to take place." And the whole energy changed. I thought I was gonna get physically ill if I didn't get out of the attic. And I, you know, he was telling me the story there and I said, "Thanks for your time." I said, "I gotta go." And I asked him where I could find the doll. And he said he's at the 40th Martellum Museum but he's not on display, he got a call. So I started calling the museum and anybody who was there was like, "You can't show 'em to you today. "Why don't you call tomorrow when so-and-so is working?" And nobody wanted to bring 'em out. And then I finally got an appointment to see 'em and the curator, she came out with them. She was kind of creating them in her arms and she's talking to 'em. She said, "Hey Robert, this is David. "He's starting a ghost door. "He wants to take some photos of you." And I looked at her and I thought, "She's crazy." She went there crazy, you know, with what they think about this doll. And then she said, "I'm getting on the table "and left me alone." And there was nothing to the doll. You know, I didn't feel anything from him. I didn't get a sense that it was haunted. There was really absolutely nothing. And then I went to take a couple photos and I went to take his hat off his head so I could get a photo without the hat. As I went to grab for that hat, boom, he came alive. And he changed, there was something in him he did not want me touching his hat. And the way he changed was just so dramatic. I thought, "Oh my God." So I grabbed the camera. I tried to snap a picture. It didn't go and tried three shots. It did not go. When I set the camera down on the table or turned it around to rip out it, boom, boom, boom, five just three shots in the wrong direction. I tried to take another picture of him with that expression. Camera didn't work. And then I swear it was like he laughed and the spirit that was in him just kind of like, whoo, straight away. And that's when I knew that I had to get to the bottom of what was happening with Robert. 'Cause nobody knew the history of him at the time. It was just legends. Nobody knew where he was really made. People said, "Oh, you know, "created by an angry servant, "but not much else was known." So from that point, how long before you really, how much research and how much time did you spend researching Robert? - I've spent 26 years now, so it's been an ongoing thing. But the first, I'd say the first three to four years were really when the most important things came about. I was able to find archives of the Idaho family. They were in the library in that walk-in vault. And nobody knew about them being there. But Anna had been a librarian in her later years, and she left all the family documents there. And there were thousands of letters between Jean and his wife. He was the boy who ran Robert. There were letters from them when they were in France back to the family. So lots of letters, lots of correspondence. And going through all that, you could read 100 letters and just gain one little nugget. But it helped give this full understanding of the autos, what they were like as people. And then some of the documents in there were very helpful in identifying someone who was a nanny and a servant to the Idaho family, getting somebody early out of family history, you know, with their connections to Germany. So when all that came together, that really pieced together the true history and helped throw in the blanks on these legends and helped trace those to their origins. And then from there, it's been studying the paranormal aspects and saying, okay, well, if Robert's doing this, what could explain this? And that helped evolve our understanding of him. - So what's the spirit in the doll? Like, it's not Robert writes a spirit in the doll, is it? - Yeah, we believe there's multiple entities. - Multiple. - And multiple entities. And the main entity, like the original entity, I believe is the daughter of Emily and Abbott, who was the servant for the otter. She was an nanny to Eugene. She lost a child sometime between 1900 and 1910, same time that Robert, the dialer out. Eugene's father was a doctor. So she would've gone there for treatment. And, you know, when the child was lost, we think that she blamed those auto family. And she might've sought out a good new practitioner to play a curse on the doll. There's psychics, well, you saw Cindy Kayba in the, in the Robert's doll shock doc. You know, the stuff hers that didn't make it, she's incredible with what her knowledge was of that location. And she's one more perceptive people I've ever run into. And she said that there was a portal that was opened up there and that that portal's not gonna be closed. - Wow. - And what we think happens now up at the porch, when people disrespect the doll, that little child spirit gets its feelings hurt. It's almost like it tags the people who disrespect it. And then these other entities come out and latch onto those people and follow them home and make their lives held. - Yeah, and that's what I was gonna ask you is the rules. Can you explain the rules really fast to listeners what the rules are if you go visit Robert? - Yeah, so really just one rule, be respectful. Respect Robert the doll, respect Robert the doll, respect Robert's fort, and you should be fine. You'll see in there, it says don't forget you have to ask permission to take Robert's photo. I think that's a horrible idea. I'm asking permission of an entity. From the paranormal side, I think that's dangerous. The museum who owns Robert the doll, they're charged with taking care of him as an artifact, which is what their main priority is. And they do an incredible job at it. They're one of the oldest nonprofit organizations in all of QS. So they're aware, obviously they know about his curse and about the hauntings and all of the letters that people send to them, they're as close to 10,000 now. Those all become artifacts as well. But up on the wall, it'll say don't forget you have to ask permission. And that's just a human created legend that's been perpetuated. So nobody's doing that with malice, but I think it can be very dangerous when you ask an entity for permission. - So you bring up a good point. First, you would say if you and I were visiting Robert tomorrow, you would say, Brad, don't ask permission to take the photo, just take it, but be respectful to Robert. Yeah. Okay, so these letters are, well, first, what would you say to the guy that says, you know, screw Robert, I don't care about Robert. I'm gonna be myself when I go in there and I don't care about being respectful. What respectful? What would you tell that guy? - I'm sure you'll probably be fine. - Okay. - You know, 'cause it's really, you know, but if they're just in and they're just themselves, great. But if you go in and you flip Robert off, if you stick your tongue out at him, you know, if you tell him that, people who do some really crazy stuff. So you have to be pretty disrespectful is what I've found. You know, it has to be blatant disrespect. And if people wanna test that, you know, that's on them. - What's one of the saddest letters? 'Cause I mean, you've probably seen some of the letters. Are these like people, they're begging Robert to forgive them, right? That's what the letters basically consist of, right? - Yeah, I mean, you know, they come in different levels. You know, some of them are much more tame, but I've seen ones where more people have their pets die, have their children's die, have serious accidents, serious illnesses, you know, and some of these letters just go list a dozen different things that are going wrong. - Oh my gosh. And do you think the letters, when they come, do you think Robert and the spirits release them of that at that point because they're asking for forgiveness or do you think the letters do more to try to create peace in your mind, the cinder of the letter? - You know, I think there might be a little bit of both, but I've seen, you know, whenever a letter comes in, the doll tenders, people who take care of Robert, they'll make sure that the letter is read to Robert, you know, so will those letters allow, and I find it makes a difference, otherwise I wouldn't do that. But you know, a lot of these, a lot of times the people who send in the letters, I don't get follow-ups from them, you know, it's, they send the letter to Robert, I read it to Robert, confidentially, you know, we don't include anybody's names, if there's other people around with the one that we read a letter. But I believe it makes a difference, you know, 'cause we see people who come back through the years, and sometimes people come back and they'll say, hey, it's no letter, and things got better after that. And they'll stop by in person, just to say thanks to them. - Wow, I find Robert the doll so fascinating. You, a couple more questions. One, you said that you're still learning, and you've been researching it for 26 years. What's something new recently that, you know, in the last year or two, you've found out about Robert, you didn't know, you know, five years ago? - I think it was pretty interesting, so everyone's Cindy Kesar was down here. She was picking up on so much stuff, and stuff that there's no way that she'd know, and that filled in some key details. You know, we knew that there were multiple entities, we knew that there was a child spirit, who was the main spirit there. And, but she tied in that the mom had sought out of the new practitioner, hadn't been one herself, which to me was key piece, 'cause every little nugget's important now. And she was also able to better explain the portal, you know, that that's what allows the multiple entities to travel back and forth to where the doll is. - Wow, so I just love it. I encourage anybody listening right now to watch the documentary. It's a great documentary. It's on HBO, it's on Macs right now, and Discovery Plus, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, what's next for you? Anything you wanna plug? - Yeah, right now in Key West, there's some other great haunted locations, and we've been doing it, but we just started the haunted firehouse experience. It's a really cool 19-year-old ex-firehouse, and there's a lot of firefighters, you know, who served there, but they're still haunting it, but there's some really interesting stuff. There's a few dark stories. There's some great protective ghosts. There's a missing fire chief who still haunts the place. So that, I'm absolutely loving doing that right now, and then sometime next year, the old jail is supposed to open up. - A missing fire chief, wow. - Yeah. - Any old fire chiefs? - Yeah, his name is Joseph Baum-Pardo. Chief Baum-Pardo was his name, and he went missing in the 1870s after he was convicted of trafficking cocaine, and nobody knew where he went. Some people said he was killed off by Columbian dreadlords. Other people said that he escaped Costa Rica, and he's been in and during mysteries for about 50 years, and, you know, he'd be 105 now, I think. So his spirit, his is one of the real interesting ones at the Firehouse Museum. You know, it's a 1907 firehouse, but it's set up as a museum, so it stands a lot of artifacts related to firefighting. So we don't know if those have attachments, but it's an incredible place, and Baum-Pardo still watches over it. - Wow. Well, David, I appreciate your time. I appreciate getting to chat with you for this Halloween, you know, month chat. It was really great, and... - Yeah, he's been a blast. - I'll keep following your work, and thanks again, man. - Excellent, I'll look forward to next time. - Thanks, have a good one, bye now. - Bye. - Bye. - Well, what's up, guys? Actually, let's start that over, I don't like that. - No, keep it. - No. - Hey, what's up, guys? - What's up, guys? - What's up, guys? I'm Brad from the broadcast. - This is work advice for me, and this is a Halloween special episode. - Woo! - B, would you like to play a game? - This is hilarious, are we actually about to play a game? - No. - No, but that's my sole voice. - Hello, B, would you like to play a game? - That is a scary movie, I guess. - It is a scary movie. - Unless you say that line in the movie. - He does, he goes... - Okay. - You've lived your life in... I don't know, he has a story, but then he puts you in a contraption, and you gotta get out of it. So, today, this is work advice for B and I. - Yeah. I don't know if it's work advice. This is ghost advice. - Ghost advice 101, where-- - Scary advice. - You just listened to ghost 101, and I gotta say, David was a great conversation. I enjoyed it thoroughly, but I am a horror hound. I love the paranormal. I hate to interrupt what you're doing now, but something very important I need to let you know about. 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If you have interest in hearing more about generous coffee, please reach out to their founder, Ben Higgins, at binhiggins@jr.movement.com. Thank you, and back to our scheduled podcast. (gentle music) And I love stories about that. Not me. I'm just, I don't, I'm a serious skeptic. Do I believe in spirits and spiritual activity? Yup, I do. Do I believe that there is like a ghost that's like, you can like kind of white, but kind of you can see through it and like it looks at you and it like plays with toys? No, I don't think- Like a cast for the friendly ghost? Okay, so my husband feels like he has had a ghost interaction in the- Oh, what's that story? In the home he grew up in, he said like he was downstairs, like doing whatever the house is empty. He hears like, in his sister's room there's like toys, his sister's younger than him. There's like toys and like something was like playing with the toys and he goes up there and there's nothing there. And he goes back downstairs and he hears the thing, like he pushing the buttons and the song going and like all of that. Like basically one of those toys is like, you push the button and you go- (vocalizing) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something dumb like that. But like he kept checking like nothing's up there, no one's home. Yeah. That is crazy. I don't really have a ghost experience other than I took my wife when we were dating to see paranormal activity, which was a really creepy movie, probably my top three all-time scariest movies. And I went home to my house by myself, dropped her off at her apartment. And while I was in the living room trying to sleep. Yeah. My golf clubs fell over in one of the guest rooms and was really loud. That's not a ghost thing though. But why would they fall over? 'Cause they're heavy. Okay, so what led me to the living room? Okay, so when I moved in this house, I didn't, I bought a house by myself before I married my wife. I had owned this house, I had lived in this house. And I must have been there like a week and I was in my bedroom sleeping. So first time I'd ever really lived on my own. Yeah. No, in an 1800 square foot house by myself. But you were like scared, yeah, I mean. Oh, I wasn't scared. Kind of though. This is what scared me. I'll tell you, I was fine. I laid in the bed and in my dream. That's not real. Hold on. I had a dream that I was in my bed, in my bedroom. At the foot of my bed was my mom who passed away in 1984. Wearing the same gown she was wearing in the casket. 'Cause I remember that. That's like a trauma memory. Hold on. Okay. She's at the foot of my bed. It's her, but her face is not her face. It's pure evil staring at me from the foot of my bed. Now my dad's a loyal listener to our podcast. He's probably like, that's a terrible dream. Sorry dad, I had this dream. And you know, when you lose a loved one, you want them to pop up in your dreams. She's been gone 39 years and I may have had seven dreams with her in them. Not many, a few and far between, but that's one of them. So after that moment from 2008 to when I got married to my wife in 2010, I slept in the living room. Stop. I did. It freaked you out. I would not sleep in that room. I would make a bed on my couch. That breaks my heart. Every night in sleep. Does she know your wife? Oh yeah, she knows the story. It freaked me out. Like I could not sleep in that room again because it's weird when you have a dream and it's in that room you're sleeping at. And the beds in the same spot. And you look up at the foot and they're just staring at you, hovering while you're sleeping. Okay, so then when you got married, your wife moved in. Did you guys keep that bedroom? Or did you switch to a different bedroom? 'Cause that happened in all of the rooms. Stay in that bedroom and I slept in there with her. But it was fine 'cause not your wife's in there. You got a fuck. But when she would travel, I wouldn't sleep back there by myself. Stop. Even as a married man, I would sleep in the living room. But now you've moved from that house into a different house. Yeah. And now I sleep in my bedroom. Like my wife's gone this weekend. So I'm batching it. So I will sleep in our bed this weekend. You're single-dadding it. Don't forget you have kids. No, they're gone with her. Oh, you're right. Yeah, it's just me. Oh my gosh. Livin' the dream. You're such a loser. She doesn't listen to this podcast so I can say Livin' the dream. But. That's my favorite part about her is that she doesn't listen. Yeah, she doesn't listen so I can say whatever. But my son, she had a paranormal incident with my son at the house, the old house. She was talking to him and he starts staring into a room. And she's like, Max, what are you doing? And he's like, huh? And he just keeps lookin'. And she's like, what are you lookin' at? And he said, nothing, nothing really quick. And then she said, what are you lookin' at? And he wouldn't tell. And then she said, did you see something? He's like, no, no, no, I didn't see anything. But he got really short. We believed to this day he saw someone in that room 'cause he was like five or six at the time. And when we were movin' out of that house, we found out that the lady I bought the house from, her husband died in the house. Uh-uh. Yes. So he may have knocked over the golf club just to be a joke on me. But I was already sleepin' in the livin' room at that point, so it didn't matter. It did get old, like, if someone come to visit, I would have to take all my sheets back to the bedroom so they didn't think I was a weirdo sleepin' on the couch. - My gosh. - Yeah, so that's my paranormal, good podcast. - Oh my God. - Yes, we're done. We should start a paranormal podcast where we just talk about paranormal stuff all the time. - I don't like it. - Yeah, it wouldn't be fun. - I don't know, it's just like weird, it's just weird. It's a very like niche thing. People are just, everyone's different. - What did you think, okay, my coworker, Courtney, works with me. And he has a-- - coworker works with you, Brad? - Yeah, she does. My coworker, Courtney, works with me. But he has a ghost bait, Courtney. What do you think it would take to get Courtney, we know? - You're Courtney, to be ghost bait? - To be ghost bait. - I don't know, I don't know, I'm believing ghost bait. - Like, it's so weird, it's so weird. - Yeah, but still, would you wanna be the only person going into a creepy house? - No. - Like, that's a terrible gig. - No, no. - Like, that's really pulling the short straw, right? - No, and the whole thing with, like, the doll, and you have to, like, ask it permission, you have to be respectful, like, this is an inanimate object. - Okay, he kinda threw me off on that because I've always heard you gotta ask permission because my buddy Trenton-- - The people like to, like, talk up a thing that's probably not even a thing for, like, dramatization, and nonsense, and people like wow factors, that's weird. - My buddy Trenton, I, Trent will not go see Rob with a doll with me. - Yeah, I know. - Because he thinks that I'll disrespect the doll. He thinks that at some point I'll go-- - He believes in the whole thing. - Nana and Abu, boo, boo, stick your head and doodoo, and then walk out of there, and then we'll be cursed. - Because that's our thing. Our wives do not like us going to these haunted places. We wanna go to-- - Also, y'all do the haunted stuff. - We do the haunted stuff. - Oh my gosh. - We've been to the Ohio State Penitentiary. - Me? Okay, me and my husband's best friends are all into the haunted things. Like, we're about to go take a trip, and the-- - You are? - Well, we're about to go take a trip, but the friends, the best friends, are like, yeah, we're gonna go do haunted XYZ, and do you guys wanna come, and I gave her a look, and she's like, I know you don't wanna come, but y'all go do your thing. - Did they listen to our podcast? - No. - They gotta listen to this one, it's haunted stuff. - Yeah, they like the tours and the trails and that stuff, and different town. So every time we go on a trip together, we go a couple times a year to wherever. Every time we go, there is a haunted ghost, tour, trail, whatever-- - And I kinda travel people. - Oh, so dumb. - When Trent and I go somewhere, we try to plan, if it's a dude's trip, is there any ghost things we could do? - For real? - We went to Boston on our last trip, 'cause we wanted to go to Salem and see the horror there. - That's a witch thing. - Yeah, but Salem now is like Myrtle Beach. It's just a bunch of like stores and witch stores. But Trent does not wanna go see Robert Dawes with me, and we wanna go to the Belle Witch Cave. - I don't know what that is. - It's in Tennessee and basically it's a haunted cave, but if you bring home a rock from there, it haunts you, like your life goes. - A rock haunt you. - A rock, you're not supposed to take anything from there. So Trent and I always talk about who would we, and you'll hear this in the next podcast, who would we put a rock? We could bring a rock home to drop in someone's bag, and then we watch their life go down the tubes. - That's not, you don't actually believe that would happen to you. - No, I don't. - Okay. - But Trent's wife does not want us going there, 'cause she's afraid we'll bring a rock home, and our life will be ruined. And Trent doesn't wanna go see Robert, 'cause he's afraid I'll say, "Nenenaboo boo, stick your head and do do." - So they actually believe that this crap would happen. - They really don't, but she thinks me and Trent, are idiots, our wives think we're idiots, so we'd probably end up doing something. Now, I have another friend, not gonna name their name, but they listen to our show. - Okay. - He said he would not treat Robert the Dog well. He would fart on Robert the Dog, and not even care. - Like if it was me, if I somehow had possession of this doll, and someone was like, "Yeah, it's like possessed or whatever." I would be like, "Okay, yeah." And then I would just throw it away. Like it's so weird, like it's just an old gross doll. - But what if it shows back up? - Even though it looks like, what if it shows back up? What do you mean? - Like, what if you throw it out in the garbage, the garage, and the garage, and you show up the next morning and it's sitting on your kitchen table again, and you're like, "Oh my gosh, do you poop yourself at that point?" - No, I would be like, "I would use my common sense brain and be like, who took this out of the trash and brought it back in the house?" And then I would bust out my kids. And then if no one owned up to it, I would burn it. Like whatever, put it in a fire pit and burn it. That's weird, Brad, the whole thing is so weird. - This guy, though, is a cool dude because he has spent 26 years researching Robert. - Yeah, he's super cool. He knows like a lot of stuff. - I was under the imprint, I thought maybe he-- - He's just a skeptic, so it's hard for me to like, be hard for me to take it all seriously. - But he said he gets it. - He's like the alien guy. I couldn't take the aliens. - Dan Harari. - Couldn't, I couldn't. 'Cause is there life? Sure. Is it green and like walking around among us? No. That's what I'm saying. Is there spiritual stuff going on, spirits? And like, yeah, for sure. Like, is it in a doll? No, no, come on. That's movie stuff. That's not real. - What are you a bigger skeptic on? What do you, wait, let me ask you this. What do you think is more real? - Okay. - An alien or a ghost? What do you have the better chance, the odds of being factual? I'm gonna go ghost. - A ghost, but not in a white thing from like the camera and you can kind of see through it, like not that. I don't think it's that. - Okay, so-- - I think we've just like gotten, like movies have just messed us up. - So there's a good ghost story I like. - Okay. - I love hearing it. I've heard it a couple times on a podcast, Jim Harold's Campfire that I'm a loyal listener to. If you like haunted stories, people call in and tell Jim their own story. - I don't want to be friends with you anymore. This is so stressful. How did I not know that you were so into ghost stuff? - Oh, I'm so into it. I'm very much into it. At night, I'll lay in the bed with my wife and turn the TV off and turn his campfire podcast on. Just listen to people. - You have a serious problem. You try to get scared before you go to bed? - Yeah, but she left town today. So I haven't listened to it 'cause I don't want to be freaked out this weekend thinking about a ghost in my house. - Oh my gosh. - Yeah, I'm a big weenie. I'm a big ghost weenie. - This is too much. I can't. - But anyway, there's a story. Johnny. Oh my gosh. What's this? Johnny Horton. - Okay. - Was a country singer back in the '50s. - Okay. - He's saying he would always sing like, you know, "Sync the Bizmark." Our older listeners will know what I'm talking about. He had a buddy, much like I'm friends with your husband. - Yeah, yeah. - And he said, "Look, I feel like I might die." No. He said that. - Okay. - He told his friend that. Friends like, "Oh, you're not going to die, Johnny. You're young." He said, "No, I think I'm getting these premonitions. I'm going to die." - That day he died. - No. - Okay. - He said, "So let's make a pact." - Oh. - The guy's like, "Okay, well, you want to deal. Let's slice our rip." No, he didn't say that. He said, "Here's the thing. I'm going to, if I die, or if you die, whoever dies first, - Okay. - I'm going to reach out to you and this is what I'm going to say. - As a spirit. - As a ghost. - As a ghost. - Okay. - Wait, do you not think ghosts and spirit are interchangeable? - I think they are. - Okay. - He said, "This is what I'm going to say." - Okay. - "The drummer was a rummer and he couldn't keep a beat." Now, that's a very specific code. - Okay, but he knows the, he knows. - Hold on. Couple weeks later, Johnny dies in a car crash. - Yeah. - Dead. - Dead. Fast forward 20 something years. - Okay. - The buddy's still alive. - Still waiting on the-- - Still waiting on Johnny to reach out. - Yeah. - Gets a phone call. - Okay, yeah, mostly. - From a psychic in New York. - No. - This story has been told, you can research it. Gets a call from a psychic in New York. She said, "Hey, are you so-and-so?" Let's just say Justin. - Yeah, yeah. - And are you Justin? He goes, "Yeah." She goes, "Do you know a Johnny?" - Yeah. - He's like, "I knew him like 20 years ago." - Yeah. - He's dead. She said, "Well, he keeps talking to me. "I keep hearing him." And he goes, "What he, she goes, "he wants me to pass a message to you." He's like, "What does he want, what's he saying?" She says, "He's saying something like, "the drummer was a rummer and he couldn't keep a beat." - No, I mean, no, come on. - Now, what's that Johnny? I don't think so. Was it an evil spirit? A demon spirit that's playing with that guy's mind? Possibly. - It just, no. I mean, you would have to believe a lot of garbage to like think that story is real. - But what are the odds? Okay, let's say I die and I pass them in me and Justin have a pat. - No, I'm saying it didn't happen to you. - Would you believe it 20 years ago? - No, I'm saying it didn't happen. - I'm saying it didn't happen. I'm saying it didn't happen. I'm saying that's a tall tale folklore, like some kind of garbage that was passed down from somebody, somebody, somebody, and none of it was real. No, no. - You're saying-- - It still worked up right now. - You're saying fake news. - No, I'm saying the whole thing. I'm saying someone made up a really cute story. That's what I'm saying. - Okay, so what about this one? This lady calls in a gym. - No, I'm not. - This was a cute one. And she goes, I had to change a tire like 30 years ago. I was on the side of the road. Guy comes up, says, can I help you with it? He's wearing a suit, a brown suit with a fedora. - Okay. - He helps her change the tire, he disappears. She's like, I don't know who the man was. She said, fast forward 30 years later, same guy appears to help me in the same suit and the same hat. And he resembled my great grandfather when I actually looked, 'cause she said, I couldn't really look in his face. You couldn't really get a good look in his face. - I don't know. - You believe that? That's a heartwarming story there. - I don't know. I just don't know. - Do you think, see, I go back to if I'm a guardian angel, I feel like guardian angels are the worst gig to have, 'cause I wanna be in heaven. - I think you'd have to believe in guardian angels. - But are there angels sent from heaven? Here's the thing that I get. - Okay, but are there angels that are your long, lost dead relatives? I don't think so. - No, here's the thing, and this is gonna make a lot of people mad when I say this. I love Jesus, I'm a Christ follower. You know, that's me, that's my story. - That's good. - Yes, that's not what's gonna make people mad. When people die. - Okay. - I said earlier, my mom passed away 39 years ago. They always go, well, mama's watching over me. I always wanna be awesome and say, no. No, mama is not watching over you. - You don't think she is. - No, none of our loved ones are watching over us. - You don't think? - I 100% don't agree with that. - Why? - They, there's no sin in heaven. - Okay. - If there's no sadness in heaven. If they're watching you and me in our life, there's gonna be sad at times. How is that possible? - I think they'll be sad. - 100%, let's say I go out in a rob a bank. Don't you think your mom would be sad that her son is robbing a bank and choosing bad life choices? - Yeah, I mean, I guess. - Yeah, when you really think about it, they are not wasting time watching us. So it gets back to the guardian angel gig. So do I think my mom is my guardian angel? Heck no, I wouldn't want her to be 'cause I've done some crappy things in my life. And if she's having to watch them, imagine that. That's not fun. She's having to watch me want to, what we talk about on the Sarah Roberts or I want to watch shrimp on the Barbie just to see a butt. - That's funny, yeah. - She's in the room with me. - You're true. - Weird. I think worse gig in heaven. I think if you get assigned the guardian angel gig, you're stuck on earth. Like gosh, it seems terrible. - I mean, yeah, I don't think it's like that. So that's where I'm like, I don't know. - You disagree with me? - I don't think it's like, I don't really get here. - I just, I don't think it's like, I don't think it's like guardian angel stuff. Like, I don't think angels, I don't know. I don't, maybe I don't know enough. - But I was asking, do you agree with what I'm saying? I feel like as humans, we help guard our emotions and give us comfort by telling ourselves that our loved ones that are gone are spending time with us. - It's not always true. - No, I know. It's just like a thing people say to make you feel better, to not have an awkward moment or like whatever. Yeah. - Yeah. - When you're like, my mom's dead and the other person is just like, yep. Or they could be like, but she's watching you from heaven. You know what I mean? - Yeah, but she's in your heart. She is in my heart. I mean, I think about her every day. There's not a day I don't think about my mom 39 years later, but do I think she's sitting in the studio with us right now and going, man, first off, she probably think my life was boring. She'd be like, just got to do anything fun. Like, I have to watch him talk all day. - It's funny. - And now I'm going to go to work and ask Courtney if she would be ghost bait. - All right. - How did we get here? But Robert the doll. - I don't know, but the doll freaks me out and is this, I mean, like, is this some kind of, like what happens if someone burns it and then it's done? - I should have asked him, like, could someone just burn Robert? - That's what I'm saying. If it has this power to make all of these people's lives, whatever, like, just somebody be the, quote unquote, sacrifice and like go light it on fire and just like be done with it. - I did like how he kind of judged the lady bringing Robert out to him. And he was like, this lady's crazy. - I know. - It's like, it's easy. - But it tells me that like that, David, that was the name of David. - David, yes. - David, like, also has like a point where he's like, okay, come on now, you know? I don't think my point is way, way, like, closer to what I feel is reality than, like, his, right? Is that terrible? - Yeah, it's like, if he's up here, you're down here, but you might still be on the same line. Maybe, whereas I'm probably in between you and him. I'm not where he's at, 'cause I've never got to see a ghost. And I don't want to see a ghost. If I saw a ghost, I like his explanation on why people, their brain is trying to make sense of the situation. - I thought that was very interesting. Yeah. - Very interesting. - But I don't know. People are like, oh yeah, I have this picture with a ghost in it, let me show you. And then it's just like kind of a blur in like the background or on the side. And I'm like, that's a fingerprint. Or that's like a light shining through this thing over here. You know what I mean? Like, there's so many, could it be? I mean, I guess. - How old was he? What did he like, elementary school when he said that? - Yeah. - How mad would you be if one of our kids' teachers came in and showed them a ghost photo? It would freak my son out. He wants to get in the bed with us all the time anyway. If there's thunder, he wants to sleep with us. - No. I'd just be like, I don't know. I'm pretty frank with my kids. I'm like, yeah, that's not real. Go to bed. - Oh, I would tell him it's not real. Yeah, man, it's not real. But then I'd be like, I want to see that picture. - No. - I want to see it. I'm so fascinated with that story. - Maybe part of my like, that's not real is a cover-up because I don't want it to like get me, right? - Yes. Your defense mechanism is to say, not real. - Not real, I'm good. And then I feel like you can't get me. - I think. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I think if they're spirits, they're evil. - No, there's good spirits. You don't think? You just said you were a Christian. - I am. - Okay, so are there good spirits? - No, there is. - Do our Christians believe there's good spirits? - There is good spirits. - Okay. - But I think the malevolent ones are the ones I'm scared of. And I think those are demons. - Okay. - The ones that are like, (groans) - Demons make that noise. - That's my noise, that's my demon noise. - That's your demon noise? - I'm sure nobody's listening at this point because we've gone like. - I don't know. I don't know. David, you're awesome. I think it's so fun to like get a peek inside your brain and see how you think and like how these things, how you really make them feel almost real. Although I'm like, I still don't know. I'm just having a hard time really. I think that's all it is. Like we're having a hard time. I've never believed in stuff like that. Even growing up like my family didn't believe in stuff like that. I've never had an encounter. And so he was talking about the different wavelengths and like I'm probably just on a different wavelength. - Yeah. - Yeah. And so like because my husband will swear up and down like he had an experience, his dad will swear up and down. He had an experience. Also he had an experience with aliens we talked about. So it's like maybe I'm not on that wavelength and let me tell you, I'm okay with that. - I think I'm okay with not being on that too. - Totally okay with that. So I don't want to be on that. I don't want a Ouija board in my house. - Hold on. Okay. So we kind of had a, this is so off topic. Can I go here? - You can. - Okay. I know we're going long. You've said Ouija board, now I sort of have a problem. Okay. We had, so I have a lot of kids. They've ranged from 13 to two. And I am like all day long, I will support you and your thing until you try to put it on kids. Kids are just kids. Like let them be kids. Let them run around outside. Let them have fun. Let them just enjoy life before it's too crazy. Earlier this summer, Target did a whole thing, right? With the bathing suits. Do you know about this? Target did a thing. They sold these bathing suits that tuck, tuck penises so that boys could pretend they were else. - I did find out about that. - Okay. So that was a whole new. - From you. - All fair. - We actually talked about this. So, and I was like, man, if like a dude needs to do that to like, that's his thing, then like that's fine. Target was selling bathing suits for children that have this. And I'm like, no, like a six year old, we're not there. Like a six year old's not like a sexual person. Like this is, we're not, that's totally inappropriate. - 100%. - And I felt like it just crossed the line for me. So I was like, I'm just not gonna go back Target. Like it was too much. It got me like pretty riled up because, because of like the kid factor in it. - And you like Target? - I really, yeah, I do. - So have you been back? - I've not been back except for my daughter and her friends came over on Wednesday and we had to kill an hour. And I was like, let's just run into Target. My two year old broke my favorite hair clip. I got it at Target a long time ago. I was like, I'm gonna go get another one. We go in there and the girls go straight to the clothes. It's totally fine. I'm like, I'm gonna grab my hair clip, then I'm gonna check out, then we're gonna go. I grab my hair clip, I try to round them up at like the clothing section. Mom, look at this, it's so cute. It's like ABCs. I hold up this sweatshirt, it's a black sweatshirt, and it has the alphabet on it. It is a Ouija board on a black sweatshirt being sold at Target and I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. - I don't like that. - That's weird, that's weird. - But I will say this. We had Jeff, Jeff, who is our gonna be on our Halloween episode next week. - How does he feel about Ouija board? - I ask him about that and you'll hear, but he's gonna say, a Ouija board is what you make of it. He said, in a lot of ways, monopoly is more evil than a Ouija board. He said, it's just a board game. He said, we treated how we wanna treat it. We imagined things. - Yeah, but the whole premise of monopoly is not to summon the devil. - Summon your financial, yeah. - That was weird. - Yeah, you have to listen to it. Listeners, please tune next week to our Halloween episode. This is a Halloween episode. We have one more next week, a bonus one on Halloween that we're gonna be dropping. So, hey, we actually have a question. - Yeah. - This is from Emily in Florida. So, we have somebody from Florida, actually. Yeah, she-- - It's always women. - It is, we have a lot of women listeners. - We're fun, though. We'll take it. - Yeah, we'll take any listeners. - Emily from Florida. - Of our 8,000 listeners, Emily is one of them. - Okay, hey, I am. - She wants to know, how do you get the guest and are you excited when you get the guest? - Okay, let me answer this. Brad always gets the guest and he gets so excited and he always calls me or texts me and he's like, we've got so and so we've got. And I am, like, I live under a rock. I think maybe just 'cause my life is so insane. So, I'm always like, that's awesome. Who is that? Every time I'm like, that's so cool. I have no idea who that is. It can't be like, we've got President Joe Biden and I was like, who? - Who? Who's Biden? - I'd be like, who, what? - He might say that himself. - Aw. - That was a mean joke. - It's only mean 'cause it's true. Like, it breaks my heart that he's, he seems to be, like, losing his heart. - He does. - He does. - That breaks my heart. And then, I feel like he's, at this point, he's like a puppet almost and that hurts, you know. - It is, it is weird. - Let him rest or let him just like, go to a garden. Not a garden, like a random garden. But, you know, like outside of the gardens and like, let him just chill and not try to run the country. - It is weird. Now, when it does come, when we do come to guess, I try not to get political people. - Oh yeah. - 'Cause I don't want to divide. I like everybody. - Yeah. - So you can be, you can be left, you can be right, you can be center, come on in. - It's the funny thing about political people is that they're just people. - They are. Now, I like to know, I would love to know how they got to where they were. - Money. - Yes. That's true. - I mean, right? - Yeah. - You have money to have campaigns to do all the things. And so, like, knowing people and having money. - I guess you're right. - Yeah. - The fun guests are the ones that, you know, chat. Here's a little, here's a little tip for you listeners. If the chat is a long chat, then they really have fun. If it's a short chat, they're just doing us a solid. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - So if it's a 15 minute chat. - But it doesn't change their way. It's so cool to meet people. - It is, but we've kind of evolved too. Like, from the early conversations to now, I let them go a little longer 'cause I just enjoy, I'm trying not, I don't cut it off it. I used to be like, I'll ask you 15 minutes and if 15 minutes, we're gonna cut it off for you. But now I'm like, if you want to hang up, you can hang up mid conversation. - Yeah, no, it's good. - It shouldn't be weird. - So the answer to the question is, Brad finds people that he finds interesting and he will like, I feel like you look, probably look people up all day long. And if there's a way to contact an interesting person, he will send them a contact. And if he gets a response, then it's usually a go. - It is, sometimes I get rejected, you know. - It's only a couple of times. - I would say 80% of my emails never get responded to. - Yeah, but I'm saying you get a response at the time. - Respond and I would say 15% say yes. And so if people are listening, you know somebody interesting, email the show 'cause I would love to talk to them. They don't have to be a famous person. I mean, I think people are interesting that have worked at a bread plant for 30 years. Why have you done that? - Well, maybe we should look up dirty jobs, you know? That guy? - Oh, I bet there's a lot of people on his Instagram, Mike Rowe. - That's what I am. - Mike Rowe, Brad Lowe, we got it made here. We just, we could connect. You think he would come on though? - I don't know if he would like have the time. I don't know what he does now. Is dirty jobs still a thing? - I don't know, I don't think it is. But he might have people on his Instagram that did dirty jobs. - Oh, for sure, yeah. - Like I would love to talk to a long haul ice trucker. - Really? - This fascinating to me. Deadly is to catch people. I'd love to talk to them. - The haul ice trucker literally just drives the truck. - Yeah, but you're driving in ice, which I don't like driving in ice cream. - Oh my gosh, no, he's an ice cream guy. No, he's driving over ice, like water in Alaska. - Nope. - Yeah, I want to know like what crazy person wants to do that. - Don't sign me up. - Yeah. Deadly is catch, you're out in the middle of the ocean in Alaskan water. - I know people die. - I know, so you got a risk of death. - Oh, when someone dies, what do you do with them? - You head back, like you're like, "Well, screw it. We're not going to catch anything." You head back with the body. - Rest in. - And you like do a whole thing? Or do you just like, "Well, we're already out here. We might as well get something." Or do you, you don't overboard him, right? - Yeah, you do. - You don't throw them overboard, no. - When I was in the Navy, we would do that. Like we would, they would, families would want their, let's say just, you just didn't want to be buried at sea, right? So they would bring his body on our boat and then we'd have a little ceremony and just push him over. - And then someone dies while you're out there and you're like, "Well, see ya." And you like, chuck them over. That's way different. - You think they're, where are they storing you in the ice chest with the meat? No, they're throwing you over. - Or they're taking you back. You have a family. - What if it's a week day? What if it's a week, you're 2,000 miles out. It's going to be five days before you get back to shore. - Oh, you're the best one. - They're chunking you. You're getting chunked. - Or? - And they're telling Kristen Brad that make-- - The copter is coming to get you. - What if the helicopter can't? What if it's bad weather? There's so many what ifs I can give you. I've been out at sea, I know it's rough. They're chunking the body. Bye-bye Brad. Kristen, we lost Brad. - David, thank you for your time. - Yes, David, thank you for your time. This has been a great episode. Follow us on, work advice for me at gmail.com. You can email us there, follow us, slide in our DMs. - Ask us some questions. - The questions are always so fun. So yeah, do that. If you guys have any kind of random question. - Any random question. - We'll talk about anything. - Yeah, we actually hardly ever talk about the actual topic, I think, as soon. Anyway, well, for Brad-- - And-- - Be. - See you next time. - I am. (upbeat music) (siren wailing) (siren wailing) (somber music)
