In this conversation, Ben Reiman hosts Hillary and Oswin to discuss their experiences and insights into neurodiversity, the evolution of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA), and the importance of intersectionality in advocacy. Hillary and Oswin discuss their collaboration on a new project with Foundations for Divergent Minds and the significance of a public health approach to neurodiversity. The discussion delves into the historical context of the anti-ABA movement, personal experiences with ABA, and the current trends and challenges within the ABA community. The conversation emphasizes the need for competence, mentorship, and the creation of supportive communities for neurodivergent individuals. Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 1.0 EthicsIBAO: 1.0 Cultural/EthicsQABA: 1.0 Ethics   Contact: Oswin Latimer https://oglatimer.com/ Hilary McClinton https://coastalridgeconsulting.ca/ Foundations for Divergent Minds https://education.divergentminds.org/ Links: Oswin on Rants With Justin and Joe (Now It Has To Be Said with Justin and Jow https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/some-perspectives-of-aba-as-it-relates-to-asd/id1530613239?i=1000504435358 Oswin and Hilary on SLP NerdCast https://courses.slpnerdcast.com/courses/recorded-webinar-elevating-autistic-voices-recognizing-your-power-and-privilege-abje7008 The Do Better Movement https://collective.dobettermovement.us/ The Thinking Person's  Guide to Autism https://thinkingautismguide.com/ Behaviour Speak Podcast Episode with Terra Vance https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-54/