Billy & Lisa in the Morning

The Mistrial Is Official

Pick of the week! The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show, from the Celtics signing and selling and Winnie going off! We got our winner for P!nk! Steve Cooper gave us a call again to give us courthouse details. Katherine joined us again in studio to explain the mistrial. Then, Katherine stuck around for Topic Time. Listen to Billy & Lisa Weekdays From 6-10AM on Kiss 108 on the iHeartRadio app!

Duration:: 51m
Broadcast on:: 02 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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And the busiest travel times they say for the Fourth of July holidays would be today and tomorrow between two and six. Yeah, it's midday now. So everyone's yeah, they're heading out. So they start their July 4th holiday on July 2nd, which then carries everybody right through the weekend. If you can, why wouldn't you, right? Yeah, I don't know why you're so mad what everyone else is doing with your time. I don't know either. It's not funny you bring that up to spend 10 days on his yacht. And he's mad that someone's taking a road trip on a Tuesday. I don't. I'm so glad you brought it up because this could change my whole life. I know. I think we need to do an intervention on your anger. Why do I care so much what people do at their time? No idea, especially when you live in Medford and work in Medford and your boat is the next town over. What does it matter to you? Yeah, you have no commute. Like Lisa and I have to go through 93 South. I would head to the Cape and I have to go to the airport tomorrow. Yeah, you know what? This is this is an intervention. Yeah, chill, but it's working. I'm an idiot. Okay, I'm I'm stopping that right now. All right. I want everybody to just enjoy their lives and do whatever works for you. Exactly. Life's too short to care what Billy cost of things. I tell you this, there are fireworks over the harbor tonight. That's fun. Harbor Fest fireworks free chowder today. Oh, we got a chowder fest. We actually have Macy from Ocean Haven's going to be joining us this morning right after eight o'clock. Tell us all the things that are going on. It's a big battleship in town. Constitution's going to be turning around. That's always a cool thing. A lot of celebrating going on in Boston, of course, leading up to the Esplanade in the box show. But anyway, yeah, beautiful day today. Oh my God. What a crazy day in the Cameron read trial yesterday. Oh boy, it's not over, but it's over. I don't know. We're intermission. I don't know how to work. Were we surprised? No, as a group. I was not surprised. I was not. I knew I thought maybe she'd give them one more day. So I was surprised that she called it when she did, but yeah, it was going to be a mystery. I also think that whoever was in that room, there was 12 people, someone had some type of law background or something because the way they worded it was going to get them out of it because like sometimes like, Oh, we don't know. We don't know. But they said we've thought about this deeply. It's going to compromise our morals and she was why I can't do that. Miss trial. Yeah, it was really, really well written. Yeah. Something else that I noticed in the reading of the note from the jury to the judge was they referred to multiple jurors. Yes, disagreeing. So there was no longer the one holdout unless they did that on purpose. Well, they're saying and they could have that this was a very protective statement. Yeah. And lately so. Yeah, it left a lot to be desired. It's like, well, is some mean two or eight? Yeah. Which way did it sway? Don't you want to know the jury counts? Well, maybe one of the jurors will speak, but they haven't yet. I thought one did speak to someone that was. Yeah, that wasn't the alternate is in on everything that's going on with the jury. So he or she would not. No, not the deliberation. No, they're not into the liberation room. They don't know what the vote was. Anyway, I'm just listening from Jacksonville, Florida about the Karen Reed, Miss trial and talking about how they're going to have to move out of the city to find jurors that just don't know about it. But I'm I'm living in Florida listening to you guys every day. And I know about it. So I don't understand how they're going to find jurors that don't know anything about this. Go to Wyoming. Well, they don't have to not know anything about it. I was watching actually NBC 10 Boston last night. It just they have to be able to listen to the evidence and, you know, look at it, you know, on both sides. Well, they are saying it's likely the trial will be moved to another town. I even heard the town of Pittsfield. Oh my god, they're little nowhere. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, that they're not have electricity or something in Pittsfield. No, but it's actually a nice. It's beautiful. It's just very rural. Yeah, far too. Yeah. So yeah, we're going to have Catherine Loftus in. There's a lot to discuss. We have so many questions. Also, like the timing of it. When do you think they'll do the trial? Like how they have a year, but well, I know everybody's going back July 22nd. That's the date the judge chose for everybody to come back in. And that's when the prosecution will have to officially say, yes, we will retry. I Karen reads. Well, Michael Morrissey, who's the D A K L people call meatball who love him who love him. I'm kidding joke. He already said they intend to retry it. So right. I mean, this is all ego at this point. We have like, we have no, listen, I've lived there my entire life that county. You have egotistical people on one side on the prosecution side. And then you have, I mean, and not saying for right or wrong, but Karen and her team are having ego as well. They're very confident they're going to fight this to the death and not wanted to plea or anything like that. So you have two very strong people that think that they are right. You really fired up this morning, Winnie. She's never this talkative this I'm just saying it's like, well, the other big thing that happened was that Michael Proctor was relieved of his duty. Yeah. Same day, the mistrial is declared. Isn't it strange they waited until the mistrial to let us know they're suspending Michael Proctor. The timing of it was strange. First of all, I always wonder though, if she was guilty, would they have had the same outcome? Would they have suspended him as she was guilty or moved him out? Right. So God, there are so many questions. Good thing Catherine's coming at what time she's getting here. I have 715, but Steve Cooper will also join us at 710 to talk about the mistrial. Obviously he was down there, but also there was an escaped inmate that Steve Cooper was chasing around with a news camera. Yeah. It was so funny. He's on the run. Yeah. And then chasing him down the street. How did these camera guys, some of them still have those big TV cameras and they're running with the camera? Oh, it's the latest. These are not little guys. Somebody got a big guy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I get the footage. Yeah. Well, you know, Steve Cooper said the great escape only lasted two minutes. Well, the things he picked the wrong day because there's so many extra police out there. It's flooded with police. By the way, if you go to our guys, Steve Cooper's Instagram, he's posting all day. He's got some really good posts on his Instagram. Anyway, yeah, big day in the Karen retrial big day in Celtic nation. Oh my God, Tatum got a giant deal. Derek White got a giant deal and minutes later, the team went up for sale. They spent so much money. They have to sell the team to get it back. We'll talk about that. And oh, we have a new Sabrina Carpenter contest we're talking about later this morning. So a lot going on and entertainment is up next. From the Planet Fitness Kiss 108 studios, we're back with a Billy and Lisa in the morning on Kiss 108. Yeah, we're back. Justin, let's hear from the mafia before entertainment. Let's go. Yeah, jump on the iHeart app. If you're listening on the app, you can tap the red microphone. It's called a talk back and check in. It's what time is it now? It's six 30. Oh, it's the mayor of the South ends. Good morning. It's the mayor of the South end. Welcome to July 4 Harbor Fest Week. Now there's a child of Fess going on at two o'clock down at downtown crossing and there'll be a Macy's fashion show with summer fashions fireworks tonight from long walk at 9 30. And also tomorrow, there's a shore leaf party with naval sailors down at downtown crossing. Nothing says July 4th, like I hit some sailor and hot dog. I love the kiss calendar. I know he really knows everything going on in and around. And real quick, if I can give a special birthday shout out to my wife Jen. Oh, hi birthday. Yeah. And she also shares a birthday with Mark Wahlberg's wife. Oh, that's cool. Oh, on his Instagram, he wished his wife a happy birthday. No, since it's Jen's birthday, is it your birthday to set in the song? I hope so. Yeah, I put up a nice post on my Instagram story. You can see I was trying to choose the right song. So you got to choose the right song on the birthday wish. Yes. You know. Oh, yeah. I think I chose a good one. Just one of our favorite. She's really into obviously 90s hip hop and R&B. Yeah, who's that? That's a good one. That's soul for real. Yeah. It's like five brothers that had one hit. One hit. One hit. One hit. They should have been in the one hit. Yeah. They had one other song that's good. I can't remember. It was a good song anyway. Happy birthday to my wife, Jen. I love you very much. Now the entertainment update with the Billy Costa. Okay, your world champion Boston Celtics got the checkbooks out yesterday. They signed a five year, 314 million dollar deal with Jason Tatum, cut Ching. They also signed a four year, 126 million dollar deal with Derek White and on the same day. This is shocking. Yeah. It was very shocking. Announce that the team is up for sale. Well, you know what? You leave on a high note. Right? Honestly, I mean, like kudos to them for knowing when to leave on top. And also which like I'm going to stay on too. You got to then pay me. Yeah. Well, it's a business man. Yes, he is. But the minute I saw this story, I started thinking back to the celebration on the court after they win the championship with Graspec holding the trophy high celebrating and all the while the numbers were circulating through his head on the checks he was going to write. And now he's going to say goodbye to the team. Yeah. They're saying they could be the first five billion dollar MBA franchise. So they could go for five billion dollars. This is a good time to check out. I think. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Isn't Steve Palleuca though trying to sort of stay in it? Yeah. Well, he's one of the investors as well. I mean, it's not just wick. It's wick. And the guy's shareholders that are invested with him. So we'll see what happens. I mean, Palleuca could easily stay on. It's all about how they work out their individual deals. But during the conversation yesterday, somebody mentioned John Henry. It's a possible buyer. I don't know. It seems too much, right? Yeah. It seems like too much. I mean, I don't I don't just like him, but I feel like he has enough. Right. Billy, you should make an offer. Yeah. Jump in. You know who should buy part of it? Dave Portnoy. Ooh. Yeah. Huge Celtic fans. Because they're going to sell parts and then they won't sell it off completely till 2028. Yeah. So yeah, kind of like a Jay Z deal, like, you know, get Mark Wahlberg or Donnie Wahlberg, rather, because Donnie's supposedly the number one Celtics fan. Have them all these celebrities or huge fans kind of buy in. It's a good idea. Maybe they will. And you could get it on that too, Bill. You could get it on it. Yeah. I'm not in the billionaires club. Thank you very much for. Thank you. Oh, can you imagine? Oh, my God. I would hit me up every day. Yeah. Me. I actually would be tipped. Yeah. And rightfully so around. Yeah. I literally make you pay my rent every time. Lisa, this one's for you. Just to announce Stranger Things season five will have movie length episodes, eight movie length episodes. Here's Maya Haku plays Robin on the show. They're very involved. And they write a lot. And they are very intense and serious about the quality of the continued writing. And so it takes a long time to write each season. And it takes a long time to shoot. We're making basically eight movies. Can't wait. Yeah. I can't wait. But I'm tired of waiting, if that makes sense. Yeah. Because even this season five won't come out until sometime next year. The strike affected things. Yeah. Remember the strike. Yeah. But Joe Kerry, who goes by Joe, DJO, we play his song on Kiss. He's from Newburyport. He's filming right now. Yeah, he actually was going to come in. You know, there'll be that thing where he sent us a message. And he can't because he's so tied up in filming Stranger Things. Well, first, yeah, the music project and then got right into the shooting of season five. But this is my issue. Back in my day, we used to have teen dramas, have 24 episodes every year. It would run September to May and then we'll be back next September to May. And they would have all this content. And I can't get eight episodes from somebody in less than two years. Yeah. Yeah. But the Stranger Things is much more. But it's not just it's not just Stranger Things. I mean, Emily and Paris, which I love. Well, it is coming back, Emily and Paris. But they're half hour. There are half hour episodes. I can binge watch it in three, four hours. Yeah. And it takes them two years to give me a new season. Again, why is winning so worked up today about everything? Because it's just like, no, this is the same Winnie who was yelling at me for being worked up about what people do about about about middle class people that have nothing better to go to the Cape. I worked out about Hollywood and people that just want to waste my time. Well, I'm excited that Emily and Paris will be back this summer. At least you just want Emily. Yeah. You know what? You know what? I want you for you. - That's another one. - That'll be 2028, the way they're going. - All right. - But Justin's gonna stick behind them. - Okay, again, why is she marching? - I don't get the anger. - I don't get the anger today. - She's on the verge of a march. (laughs) - She's just shit. (laughs) - A halsey is teasing her new song Lucky, which by the way, samples Britney Spears' song Lucky. This was Britney in 2000. ♪ She's our lucky ♪ ♪ She's a star ♪ ♪ But she's by my ♪ ♪ And the lonely heart begins ♪ - And this is Halsey in 2024. ♪ I'm so lucky ♪ ♪ I'm a star ♪ ♪ But I cry, cry, cry ♪ - Okay. ♪ I'm a lonely heart ♪ - Here's my thing. They're sampling, and then there's something else. There's more than a sample. - That's called a cover. - Yes. - This was a cover. - Yeah. - I'm just saying. - Again, are we gonna march about this? - No, I'm just gonna-- - I like it. I like it, I don't mind that. - Yeah, you know what you have to do? You gotta leave well enough alone. - Yeah, just worry about yourself. - Yeah. (laughs) - That's my thing. - Do you feel lucky, Lee? - Do you like you're lucky? (laughs) - Well, do you vote? - Yeah, it sounds exactly the same. - It does. - I just think back to my dad every day, I'll give you something to whine about. - I know, right? (laughs) - Has he held the leather strap in his hands? - Yeah, mine. (laughs) What was up with that? - The old days. - Yeah. - We're announcing a new Sabrina Carpenter contest. By the way, it's a huge contest coming up at 9.10 this morning and Sabrina right now has the numbers one and two songs. In the country, please, please, please. It's still number one and espresso is number two. - Good for her. We love her. - Yeah. - Tate McCray turned 21 years old this week and also this week, Tate McCray and Kid LeRoy went Instagram official. - I can't believe that she's only 21. - I know. - Yeah. - I don't know why I thought she was at least a few years old. I knew she was young, I didn't know she was that young. - Yeah. - We've met her a few times, too. - Yeah, and we love both of them, so. - Every time I think of Tate McCray, I think of the pool side part that we had with her and it was a very windy day. - I will never forget it. - And a giant billboard that we had set up pool side when flying in the wind and hit a woman in the face. - Yep. - And we had to give her like a bunch of tickets or something. - Hey, let's move that over. - They hate when Billy brings this up. - Oh yeah, that was-- - He's gonna be an email to me later. - Yeah. - Can you get him under control? We don't wanna talk about that. - Well, didn't Tate McCray go on social and say it was the worst moment of her life? - Again? - Lisa, he's still going. - You have to stop talking. - You know what? You're like windy. - Hey, wow. - Hey, I didn't bring up the Tate McCray. - Okay. - I just remember the beach balls were like all over the place. - Everything was flying all over the place. Okay. - The hot tour girl is now on the interview circuit. She sat down with Zach Bryan's girlfriend, Brianna Trickenfry, who is Zach Bryan's girlfriend. - Yeah, but she actually is someone before she's Zach Bryan's girlfriend. She does the podcast with Dave Fortnite. - Yeah. - She works for Barstool. - Okay. - For sake of history-- - Hold on, hold on. - I'm a little bit windyed out this morning. - Yeah. - I'm super tired and windy, please. - Shh, just a little bit windy, just a little bit. - For the sake of this story, she's just gonna be Zach Bryan's girlfriend. - Okay. - That's all she is. - That's all she is. - Okay. - I know we know she's much more than that. - Okay, I just wanna give her her props. - Yeah, but the hot tour girl is upset that people are spreading rumors about it. - I'm not a school teacher. - That was my next question, 'cause everyone said that you were a teacher and got fired from your job. - No, I'm not even old enough to be a teacher. - I was gonna say, 'cause you're 21, I'm like, this is illegal. - Exactly. - Exactly. - So you weren't a teacher. - Or a bartender. - Solar one. - And also, I've heard rumors that your dad is a preacher? - My father is so far from a preacher, it's crazy. - So everything has just been made up. - Oh yeah, none of it's true at all. - Let's bring out a chicken fry. - Yeah. - So what is she? Like, what does she do? Is she still a college student? - She worked at a spring factory. - Really? - Like making springs, like for your bed. - Like, that's kinda cool, actually, right? - Yeah, but she just quit, because now she's gonna go to Hollywood. - Hold on. (laughing) - A spring factory? - Yeah, it's cool. - Two questions. Who works in a spring factory and how do you know that? - I watch the interview. I watched some clips from the interview and she was explaining, she said, I'm not a teacher, I work at a spring factory, but I quit. So she just quit her job. She thinks she's gonna go now be an internet personality. - Oh, she doesn't need the spring factory anymore. She's gonna make millions. And she was asked what her parents think about her how to act. - What do your parents think? Or your family think? - I think it's so funny. - Okay, so they're in on it. - I know how I am though, 'cause like, you can never tell what comes out of my mouth. I mean, it's a hit or a miss what comes out of my mouth. I just talk out of my eyes. - Oh, that was a hit. - Yeah, that was a big one. The one time I say something like that, of course, there's a camera in my face. - Yeah, the spring factory. - I know, I think she's kind of funny. (drum roll) - Oh, there she is, back to work. (laughing) - I want to tell her, I want to tell her, back to work. - What a crazy job. - I didn't know spring factories existed. - Is that what it has to make 'em? - I guess so. Yeah, I'm gonna spit on that. (laughing) Now, we've talked about her being approached by Hollywood producers, and she says she's getting some really strange offers. - The guy that does my hats, he got offered $600 like three days ago for me to spit in a jar and sell it. That is revolting. - Oh my gosh. - Like that's disgusting, is it not? - That's crazy. - And I was like, "Should I do it?" That was like, "Nahal." - She already has a guy who makes her hats. - Yeah, the merch guy. Remember she teamed up with the guy in Nashville? - Yeah. - Yeah. - So remember the other day we had that clip of Ariana Grande changing her voice mid-interview, this one right here? - That's the only thing I thought. (laughing) That's how I felt. I was like, "What has happened?" "Yeah, I don't know." But yeah, I've been writing a lot and maybe there's some more, but I would like to do a deluxe at some point. - So listen carefully, because Paris Hilton testifying on Capitol Hill, I think did the same thing. - I love your jacket, the sparkles are amazing. (laughing) - I had a little bling here for today. - Yes, I wanted to find out who made it later. But I think the most important thing is they need access to therapy counseling, mentorship, and other community-based programs. - It's like the same thing. - Yeah, is this a trend now? - She caught herself, you know, not talking in her serious voice. When he changes her voice sometimes. - Oh, just Bessie, Miss Daddy. Daddy's comin' home, Bessie. I gotta go. - Okay. (laughing) - God rest your soul. - God, RIP. - Sweetest pie. - That's right. - We have to Bessie, we miss you. - Daddy, sweetest pie. - But now you have Titus, your good boy. - Good boy. - Yeah. We're brought to you by the 99 restaurant. It is, check this out, colossal lobster roll season at 99 restaurants. Visit your local 99 today and enjoy their famous lobster rolls built to the hilt with 100% North Atlantic lobster meat and served with fries and slaw. Try hot buttered or with just the right amount of mayo and celery. You gotta love the nines in there, you know. - Damn, Winnie. Winnie woke up and chose violence today. Woo. - With the Lucky Land Sluts, you can get Lucky just about anywhere. - Daily Beloved, we're gathered here today. Has anyone seen the bride and groom? - Sorry, sorry, we're here. 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That's when we get the most traffic now in the city, especially where we live on the South Shore. - Yeah. - The expressway is a nightmare. - Everybody's driving to the Cape. - Yep. - Driving to the Cape. - Yep, gotta go to the Cape. - So tomorrow will be worse than today, traffic-wise, between those two to six hours, I'm guessing. - Yeah, today and tomorrow. - And I'm told Justin 400, zillion people are gonna take to the highways in the airway. - It's a new record. I mean, they've never seen travel like this. You know, until next, next Fourth of July. - Every single, not any holiday. They go, oh, by the way, the biggest travel day of our history is happening. Anyway, yeah, Fourth of July week. A lot going on. Harborfest kicks off today. Fireworks over the harbor at nine o'clock or so tonight. - And I wanna mention, I know a lot of people know this, but if you don't know it, the Sumner Tunnel will be closing again July 5th for a month until August 5th. So just keep that in mind. - The good news, we're sitting on a pair of tickets to see Pink. She's coming into Gillette Stadium, August 21st. So we'll take Call of 25 on the Pink tickets and the keyword is gonna be mistrial for obvious reasons. That's the word of the day. After the Karen Reed mistrial was declared yesterday. So Call of 25, 617-931-1108. You'll go to see Pink providing, give us the key word. Pink does an amazing show. I'm talking great band, great production and one hit after another. Anyway, we'll wait for Call of 25. - Steve Cooper's on the phone. - Oh, I'm sorry, he's checking in from the-- - I forgot Coop. - I don't know where he is if he's at the courthouse or I don't think he's at the courthouse. - Hey, Coop, where are you? - Well, enough to be the courthouse. That's over, right? - Yeah. - Give nobody there today. The only thing that's left is those metal barricades around the courthouse about it. - So it was a wild day. We follow you on Instagram, Coop. You have a lot of really, really good posts, especially from the courthouse. - So did the escape prisoner run right by you? - Right by me, right by me. I was literally between live shots and I hear a door open. I'm thinking, "Well, what's that?" Now I listen to the guy come running out of the side of the courthouse. And I'm like, "Is that a prisoner?" And I said, "I think so." And then I quickly took out my phone and I was like, "I don't know what's going on, but I better start shooting this thing." And then I was to a court officer run past, be screaming to other court officers. And then I'm screaming to my cameraman that we're all running down the street and then the bicycle cops are flying down the street. - Yeah. Wow. - And it was quite a scene, yeah. - Wow, when you're thinking of it with all the chaos around the courthouse, this guy was a genius. He said, "This could be my window of opportunity right here. I'm gonna go." - Oh, really? - They caught him two minutes later. He wasn't going far. But Steve, do us a favor. Can you describe the mood around the courthouse once that mistrial was declared yesterday? - Well, I gotta tell you, it was weird because a mistrial and a deadlock jury and after everything that everybody went through, it was like the air was let out of the balloon. I think people on one side wanted to know that she was guilty of the side of people want to find it not guilty. But I think that sense that, wow. So what happens now? And I think that was sort of the mood and it was weird because just as the judge declared the mistrial, we're outside the courthouse and it started pouring. And there was thunder and there was lightning. And it was just like this torrential downpour and nobody, of course, had umbrellas. Everybody's standing outside. We have microphones set up on the courtroom steps. And it's just, so people are cheering this thunder, this lightning. - Wow. - Counties attorneys are about to start talking and everything happened in a split second. It was just a weird, weird day. - Kind of like a sign from the heavens. - You know, not to be spooky, but that's what it felt like. And then the sun came out later on and everyone was gone from the courthouse. But it was, I think it was just, this was just, however you felt about the case, it was just draining for everybody, for everybody involved in the case, for just the people that have been out there for days and days and days following the case for people at home. I mean, knowing that the judge was gonna, you know, declare a mistrial and looking, I looked around and everyone was huddled together around phones and around anything, just to get that word. And all of a sudden you hear this cheer come from the crowd and then people like, "Wait, why am I cheering?" And then you heard there's gonna be another trial and then people didn't know what to think. - Yeah, what are these gonna happen in the next trial, Steve? I mean, they're definitely gonna retry, Karen Reed, but are they gonna go back to the beginning and present all the same evidence to a new jury? What's it gonna be like? - Well, first of all, just keep in mind that we heard that there's gonna be a retrial and then last night, hours later, we heard that Trooper Proctor, the lead investigator, was being pulled away from this thing. So obviously, when you start putting that all together, how does he get back on the stand as a, whatever he's gonna be by the time they try this case and can they put him on the stand and they wanna put him on the stand and are they gonna put him on the stand? And then the question is, where can you have this trial and where can you pick another jury or how are they gonna get a jury? Because if you couldn't think they could see the jury in the last case, how are they gonna do it this time? When everyone, not in America knows about it, but in the world is talking about this case. - And by the way, if Proctor was gonna be relieved of duty, shouldn't they have announced that during the trial? - I think they probably might have wanted to, but I don't think they wanted to disrupt what the jurors were doing. And I think, I don't think they've ever been down this road before, and now the question is, when they retry, they're talking about, it won't be as long this time around, but I don't think anyone can imagine what all this is gonna look like, if and when it happens. And keep in mind, there was a case at deja vu yesterday. For those of us last July, we were in the courtroom in front of the same judge when she declared a mistrial in the Lopes trial for the death of Mike Chestnut and Vera Adams. It was literally on July 10th after six days of deliberations, and it was the same judge, and everyone involved in that case was calling me or texting me yesterday, including members of the Chestnut family, just saying, I can't believe we're watching this a year later. - Wow, it's so ironic. - Yeah. - So ironic, so ironic. And then they went through another trial, as you know, and they're not, you know, that went through, that was a guilty verdict. That was just this year, and that family has been waiting for a sentencing on that killer, and that hasn't even happened yet. So that's happening later on this month. - At least you had a question. - Yeah, so Steve, so I guess they're not gonna release the names because it was a mistrial, but when do you think we'll be able to hear from some of the jury members? - Right, so to be honest with you, you know, that's what we're all working on right now. You know, the jury left, they didn't give out those jurors' names, but you know, people drop a dime. They're talking to their friends now. Someone's gonna call somebody, so you can bet by some point, you know, will we hear from these people? Will they wanna be public? Will they wanna have, you know, you shield their names and their faces and things like that? They wanna give us statements. We don't know, but again, you know, that's obviously what everyone wants to know right now. What was the makeup? What was the breakdown? - Wow. - Was it six, six, was it 11 to one? Was there one holdout? I mean, we're in all sorts of stories, but that really matters, and it matters to everyone because if it was six, six, you know, six people four, six people again, you know, was it one holdout to this whole thing? We don't know that, but that's the whole story right now. - Well, Steve, we can't thank you enough for providing the coverage, and we just wanna let you know. We're gonna give you a prize. You get to have lunch with Winnie at the Cheesecake Factory. (laughing) - Winnie Winnie. - Winnie Winnie. - I can't wait. All right, let's go out. - I can't wait either. - That's just, Steve, thanks so much, buddy. Steve Cooper, channel seven, have a good day. - Thanks, Steve. - Well, you know, Winnie's had quite the evolution. - Hey, good morning, everyone. This is Jamie calling from beautiful bath name, three words today. Evolution of character. Go Winnie money bags to angry lesbian, to speak your mind, girl. Independence day, three snacks and a twist. Mm, you okay, punkin'? (laughing) - Kim, congratulations to Jordan, you wanted to say good. - Captain Loftus will be in after this song. - Philly and Lisa, every morning. - Kiss one away. - Wall to wall, back to back coverage on the Karen Reed mistrial yesterday. We heard from Coop, Steve Cooper over channel seven news, couple of minutes ago, and now our in-house legal expert to Catherine Loftus of the law firm of Loftus and Loftus is in studio. And by the way, note my objection. Is that gonna be ongoing even though there's been a mistrial and it's kind of done for a while? - Yes, for anybody who follows me or doesn't. Obviously right now I talk much, most of my content about Karen Reed, but I've been talking for a couple years about lots of different court cases. I talk a lot of politics, life, so come on over and join us. - No in mind, yes. - And when we do this the second time around, I'm following it as well, so. - All I wanna know is what the jury count was. - I know, I think that's what everybody wants to know. And the question is, we might never know. It depends on if a juror comes out and tells us. - And is that the case when it's a mistrial, they never release the names? - So there's a case that came down, I think it's 2014 or 2015, that says basically in the interest of the public, we do release it, but because there's not a verdict, the language can be interpreted in the way the court interpreted. And I think given the media intensity of this, the court and everyone is concerned about the juror's safety and any potential harassment or things like that. So I'm not surprised that they didn't release it. - Why do we find out, the morning after the mistrial is declared, that the lead investigator, Michael Proctor, has been relieved of duty. Wouldn't that have been something they would have liked to know during the course of the trial? - My guess is that was some sort of like negotiated. We've talked about it here a little bit about the union and what the protections and obviously the state police have to comply with the collective bargaining agreements. And I would bet there was some sort of agreement that, well, wait until the case is over, then we'll announce it. And so he's been relieved of duties. That doesn't mean he's been fired. Basically he has a hearing pending, you know, I don't know when it is. He's gonna be taken off the Norfolk County District Attorney's homicide unit. He'll have a hearing about whether he penned in the investigation, he remains working, whether he's suspended without pay, whether he's suspended with pay. So the actual disciplinary hearing is a waste down the road. - But wouldn't that have helped the defense it became up during the trial? - Well, I think they still probably couldn't have asked about it because they might have been able to ask if he was relieved of duties, but there's still not a conclusion to the investigation. So it's a little bit up in the right. So right now, even though he's taken off, taken out of the, you know, not the line of duty, but you know what I mean? - Just duty. - There's still not any actual conclusion until the IA investigation is finished. So it will be interesting to see the next time around how that fact is in. - When they have this new trial, will the prosecution be able to introduce any new evidence or does that never happen? - It's not that it never happens as always, you know, if things came up on both sides that was undiscoverable or, you know, that you didn't have access to it the first time, you can make the argument to the judge. Ultimately, it's always gonna be up into the discretion of the judge. What it likely will be is gonna be the same evidence, but presented a little bit differently. - So they can use different experts? - So they could, they'd have to go get new experts because they don't think that they have any, for the Commonwealth, you mean? - Yes. - I don't think that they have any experts retained for the first trial that they didn't call. So they would probably need permission to do that. You know, it's really, the interesting thing is it could be an entirely different trial. We could really have a shortened kind of intense version of the Commonwealth's trial. The defense could focus really on the police investigation and reasonable, so it's-- - Maybe less so charges? - Yeah, I think, you know, they haven't come out and said what they're going to do. We might know that on the July 22nd status conference. I think it would probably be in the best interest to drop the second degree. I think that would take a lot of pressure off of everything. There's a lot less to prove that way if they want to actually prove this case against her. - And since? - As we talked about the second degree seems. - Since the prosecutor was so highly criticized, you know, for the way he presented the case, is it possible they'll name a new prosecutor? - It definitely is. And I think there's probably a possibility that somebody joins him instead of replacing him. Because I think it's pretty clear that he knows the case very well. He knows the substance of it. He understands the evidence. But you need somebody, I do think, that goes a little bit more toe to toe with David Unetti and Alan Jackson, at least in the way in which they present themselves. So it wouldn't be a bad idea if we had two prosecutors that kind of volley back and forth like we did with the defense. - Please go ahead, Winnie, you guys-- - I had one question about the statement that the jury put out, which was so well-written. They kept going back to their moral, personal moral conflicts. So I have like a little text thread with my friends about this. And one of the questions raised was why does the jury decide on facts and not heart? And I felt like it was a little strange. So the interesting thing is, if you think about it this way, they are deciding it based on the facts, but we all come from different backgrounds. We have different sets of morals. We have different perspectives. And you are supposed to use, the judge says, use your common sense, use your life experience. So we all look at, even though you're looking, basically what they said is, it's not that we're not looking at the evidence. It's not that we're not understanding the evidence. We're evaluating it differently based on our own moral conviction. So that means that, somebody looking at the taillight evidence, which obviously was one of the main factors, somebody thinks one way, somebody thinks the other, the evidence is the same, but they're evaluated in it differently. And ultimately, I think what sometimes gets lost is that the system is run by human beings. And human beings were all flawed, or we all have different perspectives. And it's not perfect. It's not a perfect system. And this is the closest we can try to get. And their note to the judge, it seems like they kind of went out of their way to make sure people understood there were more than one person locked out. That's how it felt to me. They said others, they said some of us, and then others, plural. Right. And when they said we're deeply divided, the word, the, you know, as soon as we read it, I was on the phone with my dad. The other loftist and loftist and loftist, and he said, that sounds like a lawyer. It does, right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Coming up on topic time, Katherine Loftus is in studio. You've got to have a lot of questions about the mistrial declared yesterday in the Karen Reid trial. Now's the time. Give us a call 617-931-1108. Justin, how do they get their talkbacks in? You got to be listening on the iHeartRadio app 2KISS 108. When you're on that screen right there, there's a little microphone that'll let you leave a message called a talkback. I'll get your question on the air. Karen Reid is the topic, and topic time is next. What is the topic? Today, we're going to be talking about... Billy and Lisa present topic time... Talk amongst yourself. Topic time. Yeah, it's topic time, and obviously it's Karen Reid, and everybody wants to talk at the mistrial declared yesterday, and you want to go talkbacks or phone? Let's go to the phone first, and move. We got Winnie. All right, well, as I walk away. Okay, well... Okay, do you need a second there, Fred? Yes, I need one second. We've got plenty of talkbacks to get to over here. Go to Marissa. Go to Marissa. Marissa! Hi, good morning. Okay, Marissa, comments, questions? What have you got for us? Oh, yes, my question is two for Katherine. One is what happens legitimately the next couple steps, so I know it's going to go out to a trial next year. That's number one, but what are the actual steps? And then two, how do these two parties, how do they psychologically get back to a life, or do they now live a completely different life? Oh, boy. So the first thing that's going to happen, we have a July 22nd status conference at that point. We're probably going to pick a trial date I would expect. So all of the parties, we have to consider the courts calendar, the attorneys' trial schedules, all of the witnesses, they're going to need transcripts, kind of reevaluate how they're going to put the case in. Lisa and I were just talking about that. Originally I thought the end of the year, but with Thanksgiving and Christmas, we'll probably go into the first of the year. And in between, the hard part about it ending in a mistrial is obviously for everybody, it's not done. We've spent two and a half months putting the family members of both Karen Reed, both John O'Keefe, really putting everything into it that the attorneys, and really everything's just on pause until you start again. So I'm not sure that you really can go back to a normal life until this is actually over. - I know one thing, the bars are going to be busy. (laughing) All those people have more time on their hands, those bars are going to see a serious bump in business. Oh man, we got some questions here for Catherine. - Good morning, morning crew. I need to know for when Catherine comes in. Now that Michael Proctor's been quote unquote reassigned, do we think this will affect the DA actually going for a retrial? Or once all of the internal investigations and the federal investigations are done, will we be able to bring that information up in trial that we weren't allowed to this time? - So I actually don't think, I would be very, very surprised if the DA's office did not know that the state police were gonna take proctor off the case. Like I'm sure that they already were privy to that information and made the decision to publicly say we're gonna retry Karen Reed again. I do think it changes a little bit about whether the calm wealth calls them, whether the defense calls them. Interestingly enough, most of the testimony that came out, when Proctor did anything, the vast majority of it was with somebody else. So that means that somebody else can testify to the vast majority of what he was doing. If there is a conclusion to the IA investigation or if something else comes up for them with federal investigation, if he gets called, they certainly can use that when he's on the witness stand. - Wow. Now earlier, did you suggest, so when everybody comes back July 22nd, and that's when I guess the prosecution will officially say, "Yes, we're going ahead with the trial," then it won't start until the first of next year. Did you say that? - Well, I think, you know, you remember, this is Norfolk Superior Court, this is a small courthouse. They have an entire criminal docket and civil docket. So there's all kinds of people, other defendants who are waiting for their day in court, for their trials to be heard. You know, Alan Jackson, David Yannetti, are all busy attorneys, Adam Lowley in the Commonwealth. They have a whole case load. So, you know, you have to think about, it really comes down to scheduling, and you would have to get all of those people on the same page, so that leads me to believe you're gonna need a little bit of time to do that. - And plus the Brian Walsh case is coming up. - Right. - That's a big case. - And again, like you said, it's a small courthouse. - Right, so they can really only handle one big trial at a time. - Yeah. And you know, then there's like, there's all kinds of people waiting every single day for a trials in Superior Court that we don't hear about. - Right. - We can't, you know, everybody has a right. - Is it possible Procter won't testify in the next trial? - It's definitely possible. I mean, it's possible that the Commonwealth doesn't call him. If they don't call him, then the defense has to make a decision about whether they wanna put him on the stand. You know, who knows what the results of the IEA investigation are, what the, you know, that there's a lot of ifs that we don't know yet. And I think we hopefully will have more information one way or the other if there is an ending to the IEA investigation, if anything comes from the federal investigation. - And don't you think that the jurors between now and the next trial are all gonna be talking publicly? - I don't know. I don't know. I kind of got the vibe from the note that they, even though they were, you know, they were divided, they seemed cohesive to me. - Yeah. - It seemed like we're a little family, maybe where everyone, you know, makes, it comes to the decision that we're not going to talk about it in. But all you need is like, all you need is step out. - Yeah, I think there are. - We might need a little bit of time. - I think they're all on the phone right now trying to land in their distance. - Well, Steve Cooper, we just had him on and he kind of made, I don't know, he was saying that everyone's working behind the scenes. Oh, I mean, listen, everybody wants, we all want it. We all wanna know what was the split, because it makes a big difference. If it's 10, two, and most of them are not guilty, or if it's eight, four, most of them are guilty, it does make a difference in what happens next and on both sides. - And if jurors start talking and doing interviews, what they say can have an effect on the next trial, right? - It, I mean, it can theoretically, if you have a jury, the next time we in piano a jury, they would, they're all gonna be asked, have you heard about the Karen Reed case? You know, how much of it can you be impartial? So, you know, I- - Justin, talk backs. - Now, the alternate juror that spoke out said that they were very close and they did puzzles together. - Yeah. - And celebrated birthdays, so they definitely were. - Oh, they didn't differ, you know what? - They have for months. - Come by on. - So, I had one more question for you. If you've heard of the Karen Reed trial and you know a little bit about it, can you still be on the jury? - You can, as long as you can be fair and impartial. You know, this, I know everybody says, there's no way we could get a jury. First, we said that the first time and we did. And two, you would be surprised at how many people are, they peripherally know this is going on, but they're not actually paying attention. I mean, even people around me are like, "Ah, I don't know, I don't know." - Yeah, me and my life too, yeah. - Just they don't have time, people don't have time. - Yeah, people don't have time. In a lot of people feel like, unless you have the time to devote to it, it's not even where we're going into, because it's so intense, you know? - Well, my friends must be a bunch of losers. 'Cause they're all fully on court. - I won't call you, it wasn't right. (laughing) - We have some jury questions there for Catherine. - With the Commonwealth retrying the case, I feel like they're gonna have a really hard time finding a new jury that doesn't know anything about this case. And even if they moved it out of Massachusetts, a lot of people around the nation and the world know about this case. But my question is, do you think the defense will want to keep it in Massachusetts, knowing all of the support that she has here, that could kind of help sway a jury in her favor? - So they can't move it out of Massachusetts. It has to stay in Massachusetts, because it's a state court criminal proceeding. They can move it to another county. I think the defense would not want to, they want to keep it in Norfolk County. If anybody wants to move it out, it would be the Commonwealth. - Whose decision is it? - Ultimately, it's the judge. Ultimately, it's-- - And it'll be based on-- - So, I mean, it's gonna be based on, you have to evaluate whether the defense, it really comes down to the defendant. So if the defendant is the one who says, we don't care if it's here, you want to make sure the defendant has a fair and a partial jury. So, you know, it'd be interesting. I feel like there's a fair chance it stays and got 'em. - And it's gonna be the same judge, definitely? - It's not definitely. So she took jurisdiction over the case. It could theoretically go to somebody else, again, just depending on schedules, accounts. I think it would actually be really interesting if somebody else took it, because, you know, there's so much pressure on her, and I think people would be surprised that you might get it's tougher judge than Judge Connolly, you know what you wish for. - All right, Billy's on the phone. Let's go to Billy. Billy, you have a question or comment? - Yeah, quick question. Oh, first of all, Billy, are you coming up for the fireworks at the Tuscan tomorrow? - Absolutely. - I'll be there. - All right, okay. Well, I have a question for Attorney Lawson. So, now in this case, they were able to bring up the grand jury testimony. In the next case, are they gonna be able to bring up the grand jury testimony and the testimony from this case? - Yes, so anytime you testify under oath, that can be used. So anything that was used, anything that any of the witnesses testified to in this trial can be used theoretically to impeach them in the next trial. So, you know, if anybody changes their testimony when they're on the stand, the next time, you know, they'll say, "Didn't you say it?" - Oh, yes. - So, that seems like it's gonna be a hard-mounted climate. - And that's why they need all the transcripts and they need to make sure, you know, see what everybody said, and there's a lot that goes into retrying it. - No, do all the pink people just go away or the-- - I would guess not. - Like the Alabama. - My guess would be the, still be there. - Mm-hmm. - You know, I think maybe a little bit of time for everybody who's not a bad thing, you know? - Mm-hmm, yeah. - Like, let's take it down a little bit of notch. For me, what this really showed, this hung Jerry, is that it's not always the same. It's often very different inside the courtroom and what the jury is thinking than what everybody's saying outside, because I think the thought outside was one thing. Everybody felt pretty strongly, "Oh, we're gonna get a knock guilty right away." And clearly, that's not where the jury went. So, I think it's important that we kind of all take a breath. We have a victim here and a victim's family, and we have a defendant who is, you know, being tried. And so, I think a little space is okay. - I have a superficial question, which, I mean, it is what it is, but she has all this time now, Karen, right? - Yeah. - Is she free to do whatever she wants? - Yeah, I mean-- - Could she travel? Can she-- - I think she had to surrender a passport as part of her conditions, but, you know, they might ask for a bail reduction. I think, currently, the bail that's posted is maybe 50,000 or 80,000. So, they could ask, potentially, for a bail reduction, get some of the money back, maybe change some of her conditions. I mean, the argument is that, you know, is she a flight risk? Is she gonna get on a plane and never come back? - No, of course, she's gonna come back and fight this. So, she could do whatever she wants in the interim. - Well, she can, that's interesting. - Well, Catherine, God, I feel like this is a good buy, at least for now. - Well, we'll check in with you, though, you know. Hey, I mean, when things happen. - Yeah. - Or, I do legal cases. - Which they will, I'm sure. - I'm okay with being your permanent onia legal expert. You call, you have a question, Billy, you call me. - Yeah, because without permission from you, I've been calling that you are in-house legal expert. And you really work. - It's okay with me. - But now, you're gonna continue being our in-house legal expert. - There you go. - We never have questions. - Yeah, we'll just call her up. - I call my lawyer, it's such a good lawyer. But by tomorrow morning, you're gonna be working in Alaska, so dress warm. (laughing) - You slept through your alarm, missed the train, and your breakfast sandwich, cold. 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