Billy & Lisa in the Morning

Billy Gets All Wound Up By Justin

It’s hot again! The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show, from Billy being teased by Justin and the Bruins trade! We got our JT Double Play winner! Katherine Loftus is in the studio to break down what is going on with the Karen Read trial. Then, people called in and left talkbacks for Topic Time to ask her all their questions. Listen to Billy & Lisa Weekdays From 6-10AM on Kiss 108 on the iHeartRadio app!

Duration:: 47m
Broadcast on:: 25 Jun 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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Are you ready to go yesterday with all the self-explayers? I know. That would have been cool. Yeah. Are you going in the booth? No, I said no. That's enough of that. Yeah, you don't really like doing that. Stupidity. Well, you love when you go in the booth. Yeah, I'm sure you do so you can make fun. No, we like listening. And then it's like that Leonata, Leonata DiCaprio meme, where he's pointing at the TV. I'm like, I know him. Yesterday, the first inning was 35 minutes. We're hanging with the official burger of your Boston Red Sox. He swung at the 3-0. It pops up to the third baseman right along the line. Yeah. Rock climbing. And the Matt Fisherman stops by the kitchen to cook up some pork. And the Red Sox with a giant squander. And that's all coming up. Oh, you're going to wrap this up. I'll wrap it up when I'm ready. All right, how's that? I love that. Now you know why I stopped going into the box. Because all I did was feed your little sense of humor. Let's poke fun at Bill. Oh, you yuck it up in there. It's great. You guys golf? Yeah. OK, that's not what it sounds like. That's the edit and tape that you put together now. So what are you doing at the ball pump? I'm just going to the game with my son Dylan. Well, we're entertaining a few clients. Oh, oh, it comes out. That's so you're doing the climbing, but bringing Dylan. So that's fun. Yeah. Because isn't Dylan moving to Nashville? Yes, he is. This could be our last outing as father and son. I love this. Ever. I mean, no, I mean, before he moves to Nashville, although we're having a little cookout for him next Monday night. I mean, you could bring him in the booth. That would be cool. No, I'll bring him to the booth. But I don't want to be sitting down there interrupting the game. It's embarrassing. Are you searching for eats? Are you looking for places that you can talk about on the show? Oh, yeah. What do you think? No, I'm not kidding. I've eaten everything in the ballpark. You know what? He typically eats like a bird. I don't even know why. Why do I wake up and come in? Well, why would you give us like heads up? I didn't mean to. I would just tell us that. Like I was talking about the Red Sox. By the way, they're on a roll. They're playing really well at 10 on one when the mice. You said, hey, guys, I'm on the Red Sox later today. I'm like, oh, great. Why mention it at six in the morning going forward? If I'm going anywhere, it'll come up in the last minute of the show. OK, great. Yeah, not in the beginning. Because then it gives me all the time in the world. Well, also, there's the issue of sometimes you can't get a word in the booth. OK, you really want to get me in trouble over there, too? Sometimes that happens to us. You've been around for a while or are much more health conscious because they want to stretch it out as long as they can. Actually, there's a lot of particulars, I think. See, I think that's true for any sport. Stop it. Just stop it. That's you editing again. It's also kind of the show. But anyway, it's going to be a great night. OK, you need to stop. I'm done. My hands are off. Just stop talking and stop editing. OK, what was I talking-- the red socks are doing well. They are doing well. They had a walk-off win last night. And yeah, the Celtics showed up at the red side. I'd love that all the teams are supporting each other. I do, too. Yeah. I do have a slight problem with the Bruins right now. What's that? Now, OK, the Bruins had the year they had because of their goal tending. Hand down, that's why they had a pretty good season, although they were bumped early. They had two of the best goalies back to back in the NHL. So what did the Bruins do yesterday? They traded one of the goalies. Yeah, that's why you won the season. That was shocking. Yeah, it didn't make sense. It was shocking. Hopefully, maybe they have a master plan, but-- Yeah. I was surprised. Yeah, we're talking sports here on the Billie, and Lisa Morningstar. Yes, we are. I'm going to get Fenway, Red Sox, and the lead one and nothing. We're joined, of course, by the host of Dining Playbooks. Saturday mornings at 9. Billie and Jenny, good to see you guys again. We just saw you a couple of weeks ago. What do you guys been up to? Everything. I think we're coming here often enough. We should start getting our mail for something here at the main part. Oh, OK, can we stop now? You said you were going to stop. We're all done. There's something very important I wanted to get to this morning. Oh. This, as you're waking up and listening to the Billie and Lisa Morningstar show, I want you to realize that this very moment will mark the end of our society, OK, as Americans, OK? Because I have to tell you, as you wake up this morning, that the Hock To Girl now is selling merchandise. Yes, she is. She's selling hats. Yep, yep, yep. She's really capitalizing on this whole thing. All kinds of merch. But good for her, she should. Yeah, honestly, I respect the hustle. I do, too. And the fact that she's making money off the hats, good for her. Yeah, Lisa, we have to politically correctly-- is that a word? Explain who that is, because people might not know. OK, so this girl was just sort of asked randomly while she was out in Nashville, bar hopping. Of course she was. So do you want me to continue? Mm-hmm. She was just asked something about how to keep it guys. A sexual-- she was actually something sexual. Right, and she gave a sort of a funny answer. Yeah, yeah. And this sort of thing that she said has now gone viral. Super viral. Like, super viral to where even my children are coming up to me saying, oh my god, you guys have to talk about this. That's so awkward at the mother. Exactly. So now, a hat company based in Tennessee has approached her to put the slogan, what she said, on a hat with 24, with the number 24. And she's going to be selling them signed or unsigned. And she's going to be making a profit off of this. I hope she does per hat, like a royalty, because if it's not, she doesn't get screwed. Well, there's been a mad rush to find this girl. Well, her name's Haley Welch. Yeah. And I wonder if she's embarrassed? No, she actually took a picture with the guy-- Oh, yeah. --who's making the hats and a picture of her signing the hats that I'm looking at on the Daily Mail right now. And here's what I love, OK? So yesterday, we kind of surreptitiously played a couple as a joke. A couple of cuts of her. You know, for the fear, oh, maybe we shouldn't be doing this. And yet now, she'll probably be a special guest at Jingle Ball. Oh, everybody. Right? Oh, no, you can't play that. Don't play that. I can't believe you're playing that. And we'll be introducing her on stage at Jingle Ball. Yeah. Oh, my god. You're so right. That's the way this society works. He's welcome. Yes, yes. Let's welcome Billy and Lisa from the Morning Show on stage. And then we'll be welcoming the Hock Two Girl. Here she comes. Oh, you've got to give him that Hock Two. And you think I'm making this up? She'll be backstage. She'll be re-enacting the interview. She'll be doing the interviews. With you? Yeah. OK. This is going to be like the selfie kid who was famous for like six months after. And then no one cares. Yeah. That's going to be her for the next place. Yeah, I just want to hear. Oh, god. Come on. Yeah. Thank you. What's your what's your lead in your report? Producer Riley is new here, OK? She thinks I'm kidding. OK, I'm telling you I'm guessing they were already talking in Prague. What do we do to get this woman? This would be awesome. I have a ringle ball. Anyway, we're coming up on entertainment, OK? Yeah, first things first. We have a new Stanley Cup champion. We'll take you there for the final call. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Bill. Come on. And Red Sox are on a roll. Really cool night last night. All of the Celtics, the world champion Celtics, were there. And they threw out the first pitch. We're going to take you there. And we have a weird Sabrina Carpenter debate because there's some news out on Sabrina Carpenter this morning, and we kind of disagree with it. It's all coming up next. From the Planet Fitness Kiss 1082 years. We're back with Billy and Lisa in the morning on Kiss 108. Yeah, we're back. And happy Tuesday going to be a beautiful day today. Justin, you want to squeeze in and talk back or two before the entertainment report. Yeah, pick of the week today. The weather is going to be amazing. If you're looking for something to do in the city, well, you've come to the right place. Good morning. It's the mayor of South Bend. I have something fun today that doesn't involve care and read. Come on down to the Boston Common Frog Pond. It's official opening day. Fun Stocks at 11 a.m. They'll have free frozen treats, free refreshments. There's a Lego Pit with a Lego expert. You can even meet the official mascot, Frog Pond Freddie. Really, really have a great day. OK. I love him. No, too. He's so friendly. He is, yeah. And he's doing the Lord's Workway. This is a good, free thing for people to do with kids, some vacation. Yeah, that wasn't a joke. That leading that I did was not a joke. Not at all. If you're looking for something to do, we can head down to the Frog Pond. Yeah, but it opens today. Let's go. I'm getting that Frog position for me. Johnson. Now, the entertainment update with a Billy Paz said. Hi. [LAUGHTER] There are times when I just love this show. On the Frog Pond thing, I know in the winter, you go ice skating. What do you do? Oh, they have the sprinklers, right? They have a splashed pad. Ah, yeah. I believe. Yeah, the kids just-- yeah, it's awesome. Oh, and they have snacks. It's great. Yeah, it's a place to go. And Frog Pond Freddie. What are you going to be doing? Don't forget him. [LAUGHTER] Let's start with sports and why not. We've got ourselves a new Stanley Cup champion. The Panthers beat the Oilers in game seven last night. And we've got the final. Florida tried to end it up against the wall, which would be fitting. Three seconds to go. The Florida Panthers have won the Stanley Cup. That's their first ever Stanley Cup. I didn't know that. I'm glad they went all the way. But if you were saying that, like-- Well, they took us out. It makes you feel better, right? It does, at least they won. But they were up 3-0. And then the other-- the Oilers came back. Game seven, is he? By the way. Florida has a championship for hockey. Hockey, literally. It's June 25th. Their season is-- it's like the playoffs. It's like a double season. Yeah, it's like a whole new season. It's crazy. They started getting like October. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Meetsime, Alanis Morissette sang the anthem last night. We have a clue. And the Rockets ran. The bombs bursting in air. Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there. I'm sorry. I love her sound. Alanis Morissette, she's a Canadian. It's fitting that she-- Yeah, I thought that was good. Everybody loved it. Yeah, it's fine. She's high praise for Alanis, wasn't it? Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I thought it was an opposite. No. Wow. Yeah, Winnie was making a unfulface. It's kind of a weird effort. I didn't choose a profession. I don't know. I thought it was good. What did you think it was like the Fergie? Well, I didn't know that. She did switch it up. I just feel like the classic way to sing it. Right, she's got a different sound. She was making it her own. Yeah, exactly. Let's correct it. Everybody loved it, except for Winnie. Yep. Yeah, where's the shock valve? No, there's no shock there. Meantime Alanis Morissette is coming to the Xfinity Center July 9th. I've seen her in concert a couple of times. Do you think she'll do the national anthem like that? I doubt she'll have that in the playlist. In the Bruins this week, traded goaltender Alanis Olmark. I don't get that move. They had the two best goalies back to back all season long, and they traded them away. Anyway, we'll leave both of them. They didn't bring back Tuka. We did get a message on this from one of our listeners. They said the Bruins had to trade them to free up some money so they can pay Swamin. They can't pay both goalies. So it's just to save some of that space. Well, they paid them fine last season. Just that's what they're telling me. Maybe Swamin needs a two for a raise or something, yeah. Well, I think the Bruins just need to cough up some more money. That's what it comes down to. Red Sox got to walk off win over the Blue Jays last night. We have that call to one. That's it. That's a base hit. That comes Rafaela. Rounding. Kind of score. The throw home. He wins it. The Red Sox pull it out seven to six. They walk it off against Toronto. Jared Duran, his first career walkoff in the Sox. I'm in the win column. Yeah, they've won 11 of their last 14 games. They're seven games above the 500 mark. Now Justin, be perfectly honest with me when you knew we were playing the clip of the final call. Were you tempted to insert cuts of me and the booth? It did cross my mind. I knew it. It did. I knew it. I think I went a little, you know, heavy on you in the open there. Yeah. Yeah. People were sending messages and talkbacks saying that they were laughing so hard they were crying. I should have. Meantime, the entire Celtics team at the Sox game last night, the five starters, including the J's, Tatum and Jalen Brown throughout the first pitch. Really cool moment out at Fenway Park. I loved that all the Boston teams are really supportive of each other. Did I miss? I didn't see Drew Holiday. I think he was there. Oh, I see. I literally, he was all I didn't see. But I was like, I was like, did he not go? I thought they looked that up. Yeah. We've got the call on the first pitch. We got it. He's number seven, Jalen Brown and number zero, Jason Tatum. I'm getting a little tired of the two J's. Why? They're cool when they first said, no, just say Jason and Jalen, you know, like, but that's like their thing. They like the two. Okay. When you are correct, Drew Holiday and Peyton Pritchard could not make. Ah, I swear. I didn't. Yeah. I was like room country singer Riley Green got to do some batting practice at the Phillies game. Riley Green, of course, known for being jacked. Announcers couldn't help but known as take a look at some of the swings. Look. Look at it. He's a big dude. Look at those. Yeah. That would have been a double play. But that one went out over the ass block. Yeah. He hit one off the state farm side and let's set a field. Nice swing. It was a nice swing. Yeah. Riley Green's quite the athlete. Ah, I guess so. Remember he called into this show because we were talking about how ripped he was. Well, I saw him on our sister station, the Bulls Instagram feed and I was like, oh, he's best. Good. Can we ask him about his biceps or something? Yes, he did. Well, I don't know. I've always kind of been like that ever since I was little, like, real, real vascular, you know, but I'm doing a lot of forearm workouts, you know, at least you like that movie with Melissa Sloan over the top at arm wrestling, but whatever he did, yeah, that was turning hat backwards and all that. That was kind of my thing. I was a little. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was a college football player. Yeah, he was. Oh, yeah. He's so hot. Yeah. Remember we had him on obviously to like to talk about, you know, a spy or we'll listen when he's pining over then our listeners were pining over walking my dogs and they almost got run over because I was trying to Google really green. He is hot. Yeah. People gone crazy, crazy about him. Oh, you got to give him that hook to it. Oh my goodness. Honestly, though, my goodness. I would. Okay. There it is. Wow. Let's just. Yeah. Shibuzi launching a headlining tour. He'll do Bernie's Beach Bar at Hampton Beach. Oh, that's fine. I love that. That's not part of the tour. That's a separate giggy book that Bernie's Beach Bar. Is that legit? They're advertising it sold out and then he'll come back to Boston as part of the tour. He'll do Royale in Boston September 16th. Absolutely. Yeah. How many people are going to get arrested at Hampton Beach at that show at least five. Yeah. They're all going to be getting. Oh, yeah. Sabrina Carpenter has her first ever number one song with please, please, please. And we're all wondering how is that possible that neither feather nor espresso made it to number one on the Billboard Hot 100. I'm shocked because espresso has been that song for the last two months. It's the song of summer. Yes. It's going for what? Five weeks in row at number one on the kiss top 30 countdown. You know what? That's all that matters. It really is. It's a kiss top 30 countdown, right? This is really a non-story for us because you know, yeah, she's number one on the countdown. Yeah. Well, not only that, you had nonsense too. Yeah. The massive massive yeah, please, please, please is the first. I don't get that. My neither. My theory is that she did the music video with Barry Hogan. And I feel like that might have maybe had a bump because that bride would go look at because they were like their hard launch. That's my theory. But because I don't know if it doesn't make sense anything else. I mean, I like please, please, please. But I think espresso is a catchier song. It is. Well, Lisa makes the best point. It's number one on the kiss top 30 countdown, and that's the only one people pay attention. That's all that matters. I'm working late because I'm a singer. Should I play a little, please, please, please, though? Okay. Please, please, please don't prove I'm right. Yeah. Yeah. Please, please, please don't bring me to tears. And Justin, when Sabrina got word for getting a number one song, her first ever, what was her comment? You told me earlier this morning. Oh, she said she loves being on top. Okay. She is married. I bet. Yeah. Yeah. I don't just bet she does. Ben Affleck kind of lost it with the paparazzi this week as they hounded him outside his house. We've got to go. You know what I'm saying, you know, it's dangerous when you guys are doing you understand? I can't see. And he gets somebody hurt doing this. My daughter is coming down here. If you flash the lights on her, you're putting her in danger. You understand that? I think he handled it actually well. Me too. Totally, totally agree with him. I do too. Just knock it off. I mean, can you say Princess Diana? I mean, that was aggressive. Right. His daughter was coming out. He needs to protect her. You're having a teenage driver is hard enough. Never mind. You're afraid that people can be blind. Yeah. That's exactly what it was. Yeah. It's his private time with the fence. Leave him alone. I love him. And I think he actually was way nicer than he could have been. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I want to say, Vanna White is not jiving with Ryan's secret on Wheel of Fortune. So much so, she says she may leave Wheel of Fortune before her contract is up now. Wow. That's weird. This is a weird story this morning. That's very weird. I mean, oh, she has to do. She would turn a letter. She fought for that contract. Yeah. And who in the world doesn't jive with Ryan's secret? You know what? I love about her, though, for that. Because if she can prove that, like, she's leaving because of not her own fault, then she can't get her whole contract. Well, she was with Pat for so long, and they probably had their own vibe. Yeah. How long has it been? A month? A few months with Ryan? It probably just takes some time, honestly. Yeah. And who's nicer than Ryan, by the way? I mean, yeah, Ryan's and I just said, but maybe it's just, like, they don't have chemistry. She says it doesn't feel the same. Well, obviously it's not going to. It's going to feel different after being with what it's 40 years here and there, yeah. Ryan debuts as the new host in the fall. I've already started taping episodes. Well, he loves us. Listen to Billy and Lisa in the morning. How are you doing, Ryan? Your mock countdown. There we go. Another enemy. Oh, geez. What are you going to do, Ryan? Well, I just said nice things about Ryan. I know. Because he talked about us on their show. Yes. Yes. Kelly. What is wrong with you today? It's like working with him. I know. It's hard. You just can't control him. All right. It's going to put a smile on everybody's face. Lauren Hill and the Fuji's heading out on tour. They come to the XFINITY Center, August 25th. Give me some Lauren Hill. She will be three hours late though. I don't care. Lauren Hill, baby. This album was the first album I ever bought. Really? It has a child. Yeah. Great album. Hey, finally, are we allowed to talk about Kim Kardashian's new hairdo? What? The platinum? What on? She looks like one of the original founders. Yeah. She'll say George Washington. She's done. She didn't platinum. Yeah. No. You're missing it. Yeah. There's a whole style to it. It's not the color. It's the style of her hair. I forget what they call it. Let me go check her. Is it high? Is it IG official bill? Anyway, she looks like George Washington. Yeah. Funny. Yeah. Okay. It's fine. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. It will change in like an hour. It's a wig. Right. Yeah. That one's not going to last long. Yeah. Hey, we're brought to you by Boston Vision Kids. If you've been thinking of at least like surgery, don't wait Boston Vision is and always has been your one stop shop for all your eye care needs, lose the contacts, lose those classes, book a free. No obligation to valuation today at BostonVision.com. Your best vision is Boston Vision and there you go. Listen to Billy and Lisa in the morning. How you doing, Ryan? You're fucking Mark Countdown. Stop. We're back with Billy and Lisa in the morning on Kiss 108. Yeah. We're back. It's the Billy and Lisa morning show and you just heard two Justin Timberlake songs in a row, which means caller 25 is a big winner and caller 25 is you, Natalie. I think it's Natalia. Hi. Is it Natalie or Natalia? Natalia. Oh, Natalia. Oh, Natalia. That's pretty. Oh, Natalia. Yeah. Oh, fancy. Fancy. Mm. Uh, soon Natalia, your caller 25 instantly you've got tickets for Justin Timberlake this weekend. Okay. Then you go. She's excited. Natalia is ready to go, baby. Let's go. Um, and, uh, Natalia, you now qualify for the grand prize. Lisa Donovan, tell her what that means. It's the best thing ever. You get to go to both Timberlake shows. You get a suite at the Revere Hotel Boston. They're going to give you dinner on the roof deck. You're going to get JT merch and spot treatments and more. How about that? Amazing. All right. So Natalia, hold on, producer Riley is very nice. So she tends to be very long-winded too. So she'll have a nice conversation with you. And off you go to Justin Timberlake this weekend and good luck on the grand prize. Thank you. Thank you. Wow. That's very good. I should mention the next chance for the double play will be this afternoon between five and six p.m. Yeah. That's good to be bros. Are you going to do that? No, but I feel, um, you know, our audience deserves it. Yeah. Give our listeners a little help. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. So a couple of minutes ago, Justin got a talk back from a super Karen up there who says, you know, you guys aren't talking about Karen Reed. I don't want to have to change the station. No one talks about Karen Reed more than we do. We have our whole hour every show. Well, in her defense, okay, in her defense, she probably tuned in during Bill's report, the entertainment report. Yeah. And you know, we don't cover Karen Reed in the entertainment. Right. She probably listened to several minutes of that and thought, why aren't they talking about Karen Reed? Karen, it's a form. She was a little Irish. Yeah. She's a little upset. Here she is. No one's brought anything up about the Karen Reed trial. Yeah. I don't want to change it to another station, but that's what everyone's talking about. Okay. Change it. Yeah. Right. There is a stage five, Karen, but that's okay. We love her. No, we don't want her to change the stage. No. And you know what we're going to do? We're going to talk about Karen Reed with our legal expert, Catherine Loftus. We're doing that next. Okay. So the defense and the Karen Reed trial rested yesterday. Closing arguments will happen at nine o'clock this morning. The Karen Reed trial and the Catherine Loftus, our counselor at large, is in studio with us. And I got to tell you, counselor, Lisa Donovan came in very early this morning in a rage over yesterday's testimony saying, I have three questions. So Lisa go. No, I didn't come in in a rage. I came in with, I can't believe I never thought about it is Ryan C. Chris here. Everybody needs some variety in life. That's what I love about Chumba Casino. They know how to keep things fresh and exciting. All their games are free to play like spin slots, bingo and solitaire. You can claim free daily login bonuses too. And they release new games every week. So spice things up with Chumba Casino dot com now for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Not your by Chumba Casino, no purchase necessary VGW group void where prohibited by law 18 plus terms and conditions apply. This scenario, which was what happened yesterday with the three witnesses that were brought in. But I do want to ask a question first, they were brought in and Alan Jackson told the jury that we did not pay for these witnesses. These witnesses never met with us. They never met with Lally. So what do you think the jury thinks that happened to these? How are these witnesses brought in? I think they have to at this point be realizing that there's something else going on. There's been, you know, allusion to it throughout the case. There was, I think it was actually Michael Proctor who mentioned it when he was reading through one of the, well, maybe the text messages he said the word FBI. Right. Also, the brother of one of Julie Nate, one of the girls inside the house said the feds. Yes. Yeah. So you think they've pieced together that this is where they came from. I think at least they're figuring out that, okay, there's something else is some sort of third party investigation, hearing, you know, and to me, it goes both ways because you wonder, okay, the calm wall didn't hire these witnesses, the defense didn't hire these witnesses. Who did and why? But then I think as with everything else, it leads to more questions. But do you think it gave them more credibility? Yes. Because anytime that a witness genuinely does not have a stake in the game, you know, there are, and I thought they had, obviously, they were very good. They're very smart, they're highly educated, they're well prepared. They came off very, very well. But I do think, you know, I mean, they answered questions very frankly, you know, there were a couple of things that, you know, weren't terrible for the calm wall to help. You know, you could tell that they're just answering honestly, they're not really trying to help the defense or the calm wall. They were just answering the questions as they found it. So they were good. So can the jury, when they go into their deliberations, can they ask where those witnesses came from? Or they will never be told? They'll never be told from the court. Okay. I mean, they'll find a show. Talk to each other. Talk to each other. Right. But then let's talk about Dr. Wolf, who testified, he's like an accident reconstructionist. I thought he was the most credible person I've ever seen on the stand in my entire life. And his theory about the cocktail glass that John O'Keefe could have thrown the cocktail glass at the car and that's what broke the tail light. It's, I mean, it's interesting and definitely it makes sense that something like that could have happened. You know, we were talking a little bit about it this morning and because I always wondered about how the glass could get to the back of, you know, how do you get shattered glass on the back of there? It seems, but then at the same time, then it also leads me to think, if I'm throwing a cocktail glass, I would think the whole thing would shatter and then how does it end up under his body? So for me, I think there are, it's almost like with this case, I get these little like inklings of like, oh, this seems really likely implausible. And then I do have more questions that follow, but ultimately that goes to the strength of the Carmel's case. Because we can't really, I mean, all of it is kind of theoretical. It was snowing out. He could have thrown the glass and slipped and fell on top of the glass. And hit his head, right? Yeah, absolutely. And I've got a quick question. Are witnesses typically paid? So any outside witnesses are paid. So anybody who's working for, you know, like the state police experts or anybody called by the calm wealth, you know, they're, they're salaried employees for the state. But every other expert gets paid both by the calm wealth and by the defense, whoever they retain is paid. It's a good money. Yes. It's very good money. Really? Oh, yeah. I mean, a lot of the people just be professional witnesses. Well, they, I mean, they, that's what these guys do. That's what, you know, they are professional. That's why a lot of the eFiner retired. Yes. And they just lie around the country and testify. And that's why a lot of the question often goes, like you'll find that some witnesses always testify for the defense, you know, so you can go into that bias. They, these witnesses actually have testified that they, that's why I felt they were so credible. Yeah. Yeah. Both of the government in different cases as well as the defense. Wow. I don't think when the judge finally instructs this jury, I don't see the deliberations lasting more than five or 10 minutes. I, I, I really hope it's more than, I mean, if I'm, being totally honest, I think that we, you know, we all have, we all think this is like so clear, but we don't ever know what a jury, that's one thing that I've learned as a lawyer is that you really never know what a jury is thinking, what they're going to do. You know, there could be a lot of people, you know, they go in, they basically take a straw poll, say, what do we all think? So if they're not unanimous right off the bat, then it depends on how far people are dug in. They have, you know, 10 for not guilty and too fagility. And if you get one or two people who just hold out, hold out, hold out, it's not going to come back in five minutes. So you really need it to be unanimous. So how many potential outcomes are there from the jury? So she's charged with, um, second degree murder. She's charged with a manslaughter while, uh, operating under the influence. The judge said she's going to give her the instruction for the lesser included offensive involuntary manslaughter. What that means is that when you have a charge, if there's something that, if there's a charge underneath it that does not require all of the same elements. So basically manslaughter while DUI, you have to prove, I think it's four or five elements and then involuntary manslaughter underneath. You basically just have to prove that she caused the, she basically intended the conduct which caused the death, but not that she intended to him or anything like that. And then leave in the scene of serious bodily injury or death. So we have four potential so it's either guilty, not guilty. Right. Right. On all of them. Right. So you could say guilty on, you know, say she got hooked on the involuntary manslaughter and the, and the rest are not guilty or she gets not guilty on everything. I, you know, I think the, the only likely, I mean, I think it's probably going to be a non guilty because I think there's a lot of questions and anytime there's questions the tag, the tag goes to the runner, you know, and that's, that's the defendant in a criminal case. And the reasonable doubt instruction that the judge is going to read at the end is very, very protective of defendants, rights in Massachusetts, basically she's like the last thing she'll say to the jury is, you know, if you have to be, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a moral certainty. And that's very high. Most people have a hard time getting there, especially when these are really serious charges. So it'll be interesting. And again, I have to wonder, let's say she's not guilty across the board. Where does she go? What does she do? I think there's going to be a lot of, you know, I think there's going to be a lot of press that comes from it. Obviously we've talked about me books, documentaries. I do think there's going to be a lot of civil suits flying all, all, all over the place. I mean, there might be some from her towards the, I think there's probably going to be some from the Okie family, you know, there might be some from the Alberts and McCabe's. I wouldn't be surprised if everybody after this case is over sat's violent civil lawsuits. So you don't think they'll be in this trial? I, I think there's a small chance. You know, I would say probably based on what the evidence is, I think there's a high probability of a knock guilty, but as, as I said, you really never know with a jury. And I do think there's a chance that there could be some holdouts who really feel strongly one way or the other. And all really all it takes is one. All it takes is one. If one person says I'm not going to change my mind, you know, I'm not going to switch. You know, if you really think it's a jury, she's guilty, you know, and you know that you're the only one. People, people hold out. All right. We're coming up on topic time, which means that you the listeners get to ask the questions of our lawyer, Catherine Loftus, or you get to send us a talk back, Justin, how do they get there? Yeah, you do that on the iHeartRadio app. You could download it. It's free when you search kiss on a way to have the red microphone. That is called a talk back. And if you haven't noticed, we're talking about Karen Reed on the Billium Lisa Morning Show and topic time is next. What is the topic today? We're going to be talking about Billy and Lisa present topic time talk amongst yourself topic time and the topic is the Karen Reed trial. We have a counselor, Catherine Loftus in studio as always the day after a testimony and 6179311108 is the number to call. But the talk back to pouring in Justin, where do you want to start? Yeah, obviously the jury will likely get the case this week. So, Catherine, we have some jury questions you can answer for us. I have a question for Catherine. When all the jurors first get in the room to deliberate, do they take a vote to see where they all stand? Or do they have to go over some of the material first? Like if they all get in there and they all say not guilty, can a verdict come back in like 10 minutes? Or do they have to spend some time when they're going over all the trial stuff? They generally take a vote right away when they get in. So theoretically, they could all get in there, vote not guilty. They might wait it out a little bit sometimes what juries do if they come to a decision really quickly. They literally will say like let's wait in here, we'll get lunch, or we'll give it an hour or two just to, you know, you have a family and a victim. I think jurors want to show that they've, you know, taken the time and effort to really think about it. Yes, it's 100% possible that they could come back right away. And again, the only victim is John O'Keefe, of course. And Justin, go ahead. Good morning. My question is about the jury as far as if the members are not unanimous. There are one or two that are, you know, either for or against and they're not budging. You know, what what does that mean then? Do they just continue to deliberate until they are unanimous? Yes, or it's a declarative mistrial. So what happens is we have a, an instruction, a jury instruction called the Tui Rodriguez instruction. It's a case that came down. It's been around for a while. What happens is if the, basically a full person will send a note to the judge that says where it didn't pass, we are deliberating, we've gone over everything, we can't come to a unanimous decision, she'll bring them out, she basically says, you know, this case is in your hands, you, you 12 jurors are the best people to make a decision. You have all the evidence. Please try, go back in, look at everything else, have more conversations, see if you can come to a union of since verdict because they ultimately, the courts really do not like mistrials, especially on cases of this significance. I mean, look how long we've been going. But I mean, mistrials do happen if, if somebody says, you know, I'm not changing my mind. There's not really much you can do. I know that Karen has a lot of supporters who come and sit outside the courthouse every day for the trial. I know I saw yesterday on social media that there was about 200 plus people outside supporting her. Does the jury see these people when they come in and out of the courthouse or do the, do they get blocked from seeing these people sitting outside? So they come in through the back. I'm sure that they see them. I'm sure that they know they're out there. Obviously, there was a buffer zone that was set before the trial started, but I would be surprised if they have, you know, no idea that there's people outside the courthouse. And you know, a lot of people, they're all from Norfolk County, they're all from that area. So especially because that courthouse is so old that you hear sirens going by, like I'm sure they're hearing everything. Yes. Yeah. What happens with the jury once they've, you know, given their verdict, do they just go home? Like, I mean, do, do the media, are then the media given their names or, or do they, can they call the media themselves? How does that work? Yeah. The media, no, the, the jury's information is never released because many jurors don't want anything to do with media. Right. They never want to talk. So usually it's a couple of jurors who will either reach out or they'll make connections otherwise. And because some jurors really do want to talk and it is helpful sometimes to, at when we get them after in the interviews to see, you know, what was happening behind the scenes or what everybody was thinking. But basically they just go back to normal life and probably they all be really enjoying the July 4th. Well, I bet that's a factor in the deliberations, right? They're probably saying, Hey, we've been here for so long. Can we at least have our fourth of July holiday? Absolutely. And that's why the judge was really trying to make sure that they got the verdict this week. Yeah. Because that is, it's always, you know, like when a jury gets the case on a Friday afternoon they say, we don't want to come back on a Monday, like let's make the decision now. So there's always outside pressure. Yeah, we want to go to the beach. Hi guys. Attorney Loftus. Here's a question that I've been wondering. So Auntie Bev, judge Bev, seems like she's on the side of the prosecution. So she gets to choose the three jurors that are alternates. Does a judge typically watch the jurors and then decide which three she wants as alternates based on the reactions to the entire trial? So generally, you can go both ways. The judge can pick or oftentimes what they do is like put the jurors numbers in like a hat and have the clerk pick out. Usually in terms of the alternates are generally picked at random. The four person usually is somebody who the judge thinks is like paying attention will be good at kind of managing because the role of the four person is kind of to manage the jury once the deliberations start. They're the person who if there's any questions, they write their notes, yes, basically like the mom. So the judges do do that sometimes and say like that that one's been really paying attention and they're probably going to be good at managing the jury behind the scenes. Correct me if I'm wrong. There are no alternates involved going forward. I think it's just the 12th. It'll just be the 12th. So that's I mean, can you imagine sitting on this whole time and then you don't get to deliberate. No, so they'll wait. They have to stay. The alternates have to stay because so they'll pick the 12th and then the other I think we're down to 15 or 16. The other three of four will just wait in another room because if something happened while they were deliberating, they have to take out the bad, you know, the jury that needs to leave. But no one feels sad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So wait, but my question is do they talk more often than like the alternate like the alternates where they talk to press because they don't they don't have no bearing on that. So they I mean, after every after the verdict comes back, they can. Yes, they can. But obviously they can't talk to what the deliberations were, but they can talk to what everybody was kind of feeling while the testimony was coming in. Justin. Yeah, I did see. I did catch Judge Bev drooling over Dr. Dan that seems like everybody was literally everyone. Did anybody else notice that Dr. Dan doesn't have a wedding ring on? How has nobody put a ring on that yet? Yeah. Dr. Dan, I'm telling you, isn't it? No, there's an A. I sent a captain last night from TikTok of Judge Bev just like literally looked like she was hungry. Yeah. She was like, Oh, when he walked in to go, Oh my God, the comments are lined where you don't belong. Oh, she was ready. Oh, you got to give him that hook. There's nothing sacred on this show. Let's go to Steve on the phone. Steve, you have a question for the counselor? Yes, counselor. Aside from relying on a book deal, how does Carri get her money back for the million dollars she spent if she found not guilty? She likely doesn't. I'm that's. Did she spend a million dollars? Like, how much do you think it cost her? I would bet that I would generally we have flat fees, you know, on for cases this big, I would think that trial at least got trial alone, aside from the pre-trial litigation, probably four or $500,000. I mean, you think about the not it's not just you have three attorneys. You have the Avi guy. You have, you know, a stay every night at the Omni C port dinners. I mean, literally everything the airfare back and forth. So that really adds up. I wouldn't be surprised if there's, you know, back end deals with her attorneys about, you know, royalty rights or things like that, if any movies or anything comes. But they also had, you know, go fund me's and I mean, it depends like this costs real money. Well, well over a million dollars. Well, I think probably total, but in terms of, you know, because they're, they've been evolved for a year and a half, two years pre trial, but so usually there's like a price for a pre trial and then trial, you know, I heard it Jackson's like $1,800 an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like something like that he's probably working out a deal with her because I mean, you know, he's from LA. He definitely has probably other, you know, thought process about how to go with this case. I'll end next Carolyn. You're on with the console. Do you have a question? Hi, good morning. I'm kind of backpedaling. I'm sorry for that, but I'm stuck on the Apple Watch information when they were going over that. Is there a reason that they didn't ask what was John O'Keefe's heart rate information around the time of whatever did happen to him? And wouldn't they show a significant heart rate jump when he was if and when he wasn't involved in a fight and then a significant drop in Hartley when he wasn't doing so well? So my assumption when we don't hear evidence, so ask questions that we thought, you know, you would think these logical questions to ask is that we don't have that. And I know it's not like he had an Apple Watch on. So I don't know. I'm not super familiar with Apple Health because I don't use it. So I don't know how accurately it, you know, reflects somebody's heart rate or things like that. It's just that we don't have that information. That's why it wasn't asked. All right. Justin, talk back. All right. Let's get to the actual verdict. And once that is read. So you were just talking about how she could get charged with four different counts. What if she gets not guilty on accounts by guilty on like leaving the scene of a bodily injury? What would her pencil TV? Would it be jail time and for how long? So, you know, that's a good question. I have to look back. I don't know what if there's a mandatory minimum on the vehicular on the manslaughter well DUI. There's a minimum mandatory of five years. I don't know that there's a minimum minimum mandatory on the leave in the scene, but you know, it'd be interesting because also you have to prove with leaving the scene, you have to prove that she knew he was there. He was in distress. So they all kind of have the same basic set of elements, which goes to knowledge. And I think that's the uphill battle for the calm one. I think it's clear. No one really knew much that night now. No. You know, the big really the big elephant in the room that both sides have kind of minimized is the level of intoxication that we're right. We're really relying on and right all drunk people who are the timeline in the now. No one was sober. No, no witnesses. So nobody was sober. No. Even the people that like Ryan Nagle, who gave him pick a sister up, he was out drinking all night. But nobody was sober that night. Yeah, and so it's hard to really rely on those recitations. Yeah. Oh, that was a big drink and nice. Whoa. And they're back at the bars now. Justin want to be done. We'll do one more here. I think you have answered this before, Catherine, but the people that are listening for the first time. If Karen Reed gets off as not guilty, is it possible that the Commonwealth will investigate other potential people? We've had this before. This question. My position is they think she did it, no, once a knock. They don't consider a knock guilty declaration of innocence. They just say that we didn't prove the case. So I think this is it. All right. There you go. We talked about Karen Reed, as we always do on the Billie and Lisa Morning Show. Note my objection is where they can find you, Councillor, on social. That's right. And so today, closing arguments, I think kick off at nine o'clock. Closing arguments. Don't they get the case as early as today? Yes, they'll get it probably this afternoon after she reads the jury instructions, which is everybody buckle up because it's boring. She's literally just. So we'll talk to you tomorrow. Yes, yes. Judy was boring. Hello. Then Judy discovered Chumba Casino dot com. It's my little escape. Now Judy's the life of the party. Oh, baby. 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