Billy & Lisa in the Morning

Katherine Keeps Filling Us In

The heat wave has finally broken! The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show, from Justin sleeping at the studio to the Celtics parade today! Katherine Loftus is in the studio to break down what is going on with the Karen Read trial. Then, people called in and left talkbacks for Topic Time to ask her all their questions. Listen to Billy & Lisa Weekdays From 6-10AM on Kiss 108 on the iHeartRadio app!

Duration:: 43m
Broadcast on:: 21 Jun 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

Now this morning show in Boston billy and Lisa in the morning. It's just a great start to my day on kiss. What a wait. Oh Man welcome in and happy Friday everybody everybody's slightly tired Between the heatwave which by the way is finally over. Thank God. It just zaps your energy. Oh God was it hot yesterday. Yeah, you didn't have any AC on the boat. No, I didn't the AC guy was there three days in a row Walked out. Oh my god on the yacht. Yeah. Wow. What a poor poor soul. You are okay It's the same as a house when he if you don't have power you don't have a seat You're really nice condo. Oh, that also has which is what he did. Okay, that's not what it's about Isn't she so uplifting on a Friday? You know what I mean, cuz I just want to be in the situation Okay, you want me to balance things off? Yeah, Justin lost power and came here in the middle of the night and Pulled a couch out of the lobby into his studio and slept here last. I offered him a coach in my house But he didn't want to come. Yeah, no, I came to work Very comfortable couch He texts me at like nine o'clock. He's like where can I sleep? Yeah, I have I don't see the big deal here I was afraid my phone would die and I wouldn't be able to wake up for the show. No, you know what the show took took Pressing there you go and there's and there's always an open couch here It really is you know, you could have gone to that creepy room. No, they shut it down Yeah, they completely reorganized the office and they like made a new office and they took away Well, the story is there was a room here that you had, you know a door that locked and when he would you know In the past one time it was one time with a a gentleman Person and we talked about it on the show. Yeah, wouldn't you know within a couple of weeks? They shut the whole room down. Yeah, and knocked it. I think they used to call it the bump room I thought it was the sex room. Oh, okay. It was like six years ago. Okay. It was a long time. It was that blocks from the inside Producer Riley lost power. So she had no AC last night. She lost That makes sense we're in Justin one of a few minutes away from each other. Yeah, I live right off of 28 and Salem If you've been kind of on them if they were in Salem line, it was all black It's really spooky. Well, I saw someone posted in Boston a whole Pole like, you know electric pole car on fire like a telephone pole car on fire I was almost killed last night if that means anything to anybody What happened because I hosted the the flooring show the trade show at the Western seaport Shout outs to capital carpeting and floor. Oh, by the way, one of the floor guys is doing the floors at Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey's restaurant. Oh, wow, cool. I talked to him for a while It's fun. So anyway, I get back and as I'm driving home from the seaport The storms are just coming in the sky was black and then the wind started kicking up and the rain started coming down And I had to go up into the bridge in the dark and I'm being blown around by the wind god if a video existed you guys would Laugh hysterically, but that was almost blown off the boat twice. It's the strongest wind I've ever faced You had quite a day yesterday crazy day. Just a crazy day. I'm very tired. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, I didn't did you not know the rain was coming is that what they said a chance of thunder showers But probably Western, Massachusetts, but as I'm driving home. It's getting worse and worse. I gotta get there I think I'm going to blow the chop off my boat one time Billy paid my friend five hundred dollars to drive to the Danvers port Marina in the middle of a storm because His dinghy was was in danger of because of this rain. Yeah, so he said do you know anyone I called my friend I said you want to make 500 bucks. Yeah, so he went there went to the dinghy got in and there the dinghy was fine It was there was no issue. Oh my god. I never checked the dinghy last night. Did he pay your friend? Of course he did. Oh good. It was the easiest 500 my friend ever made That's the one thing bill is a guy of his word if he says he's gonna give you something He would do but it shows the panic that he goes to her. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's it's OCD. It's crazy It's it's mental hey bill is your friend available right now Totally just realized I never checked the dinghy's been waiting about three years for this. Oh my god Yeah, you can't go you're on the board. We can't send producer Riley should probably drown. She's exhausted Yeah, she can't even breathe let alone swim in a cold harbor But anyway, that's that and Lana Del Rey show was chaotic last night Oh my gosh from the massive storm. Yeah, Fenway Park imagine just standing around for three hours waiting I finally hit the stage still one off, which is great and 30 she had Quavo and Steven whatever his name was ever got his name Okay, well this is the recording right there. Yeah Her fans call her mother Justin. What's up with that? I don't know I was reading the comments on the Instagram And yeah, they were saying, you know, we wait we'd wait forever for mother It's kind of it sounds like very cultish Dearman for like she's their mother like they say that about like, you know Thought of as their mother. It's like oh, that's my mother. Yeah, mother. Yeah. Okay. It's like the okay The highest regard you have normally as a four woman is your mother, right, right? Okay. Let's listen to your mother Yeah, so the Lana Del Rey show happened and we've got a clip of her a new song She's got a new collaboration coming up in the entertainment and the self-exforate kicks off at 11 o'clock I'm not kidding Lisa and I saw it Two people sitting in little beach chairs all night long last night outside the garden waiting for the start of the parade They have the perfect spot these three guys. They should be leaving that spot at like 11 0 5 as soon as They should be gone. What if how sad would this be they sat out there all night long through the storms, right? And when the police arrived, they're gonna make them move. Oh my gosh They might depending on where they are by the way if you are those people outside the garden and you're listening right now Please call us six one seven nine three one one one oh wait actually anybody call us. Okay. We're all tired We're very lonely six one seven nine three one one one oh eight Okay, and send the talkbacks to Justin. How do you do that Justin? It's on the iHeartRadio app You can download that for free you tap that little it looks like a little microphone there when you're listening to us And that's a message that gets sent right to me if you want to the Lana Del Rey show - if you waited for the for the show to come back If you waited for mother yeah, the show is yours this morning. Call us and talk back So let's talk about stuff. There's a lot going on and we'll talk about the parade and everything else right if you're going to the parade Give us a call. Yeah, you're on your way now. You could be 1-7-9-3-1-1-1-0-8 and the entertainment is next we're back with Billy and Lisa in the morning on his 108 Yeah, we're back. It's a Friday. It's the big Friday show the Celtics parade gonna kick off at 11 o'clock This morning and is gonna be a crazy day in the city Lisa done Yeah, the streets start to close at 9 a.m. So and I have the street closures if you want me to give them to you Absolutely, but hold that thought until we get a couple of talkbacks in go ahead Justin well Billy asked people to check in who are going to the parade or even down there on the parade route and Lisa if you had to guess okay might be a hard question Who do you think was the very first person to check in who was down there on the parade route? Is it the mayor of the South end? Good morning. It's the mayor of the South end. I got all my Celtic skier. I'm outside I am live on Boylston Street as we speak and I can safely say There is no what he here, but anyways, everybody come on to the parade Both Celtics he's our man on the street. Yes, he has no job Nothing to do and all day to do it is socialite stuff. Yeah, I'd really love to know what he does Maybe he has family wealth. He must have did so a lot of stuff generation money. Yep I know I'm in my head. He was a sugar baby. I'm telling you and the guy died and left them all this money Brownstone Well, he lives in the South end very high ceiling. Yes old furniture. Yep. Yeah, I just picture him always with a robe on Yes, you know really nice Rope, but a vintage robe robes that he collects while traveling the world. Yeah Yeah, he's got one from Italy one from France. Anyway, we're running late Now the entertainment update with the Billy Cod stuff here. We go South parade all systems Go kicks off eleven o'clock this morning outside the TD garden The parade will take the usual route down causeway into government center Pacity Hall along Boylston Street to the Hines Lisa on the roads. What do we need to know? Yeah, so nine a.m Streets start to close. So if you need to get somewhere and get somewhere before now because Tremont Street on both sides Will be closed from Cambridge to Boylston causeway Street will be closed both sides Cambridge Street Boylston Street both sides from Washington to Mass Ave They're saying that the parade will last about 90 minutes and end up at the Hines Bagging people to leave the cars home and you know what the MBTA is running like so many trains So just take the tape. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's so much easier. The duck boats are all shined up refitted to the players We have duck boat boss. We had Cindy Brown on the show yesterday We asked about the duck boats and which players ride which boats? Thankfully, we are just the recipient of a list at some point today that will say which player is on which duck or which players or Back off the staff or trainers or coaches or owners and then they match them up with a particular duck name and color So we just line up in the order that they give us and then we kind of deal with what what we're given now We're told there's going to be a celebrity fan duck boat and the likes of Donnie Wahlberg Travis Scott, although was he out of prison? I mean it was a quick bailout. Yeah, he's out. He's out He jumped on a jet like right after so he could he could be here in Boston already Before he went back to the place he was He's now selling t-shirts on his website of his mugshot. No way. Oh my god Good chance. We'll see Jack Carlo on the celebrity duck boat to possibly Dave Portnoy Possibly Waleed our buddy the most connected man in America. Absolutely. Yeah at Waleed. Yeah Al Horford did his gig yesterday at raising Keynes in the back bay Huge crowd turned out Horford looking forward to the parade Crazy and I'm gonna enjoy every second of it Mm-hmm. Yeah, they had a woman there that waited five hours to meet Al. Oh, that's so cute. Yeah, big fan It was a huge turnout huge big crowds out Horford. Everybody loves them Meantime Lana del Rey show out at Fenway Park last night was delayed for a couple of hours because of those storms She finally took the stage in about 10 30 last night Oh We're doing it. We're doing it. I'm so happy to be here. This is amazing. I love you guys Thank you for waiting I guess we'll just cruise through as magically as we can with our curfew Mm-hmm. Oh, right the curfew. Yeah, she can only get in a few more songs, but that's mother Yeah, what's that about by the way? I don't mother that seems creepy to me There were comments on the Instagram just saying, you know, we'd wait hours for mother. It doesn't matter. She's mother. It's mother now All of a sudden I am Michaela Shiffrin's mother I Forget that period Like three years ago Lisa was outraged that Billy and Maddie kept telling cuz oh you're girl Michaela Shiffron Whatever you two seconds in the text. She was so annoyed by the epic Talk to me. How's your girl Michaela doing? I'm like Stop, oh, yeah, Chefran who is one of the most consistent and mistake free skiers that we've ever seen goes down on our hip You know what about Michaela Shiffrin who cares now all of a sudden. I am Michaela Shiffrin's mother We would intentionally worker Lisa. Oh, hey Lisa. I'm not Michaela. Do you know what about Michaela Shiffrin? Anyway back to Lana Del Rey she also took the social yesterday to tease the collaboration with Quavo We've got a club To that's not country sounds a little country is to me. I don't know At least what do you think I? Quavo took the stage with her. Do you think he'll be at the parade today if he stayed? Oh is he a big-time Celtics fan? Oh, he's a bad. Oh my god. He is a really good basketball player. Okay celebrity games He always is like the guy that's just born like 30 Quavo news for you right there Quavo It is new music Friday. So Justin, where do you want to start? Post Malone has a new country song part of his new country album We had a little bit of this earlier this week with Blake Shelton, but it's officially out It's called Paul me a drink So last night my wife Jen who's a huge post Malone fan says I need you to cross out July I think sixteenth on the calendar like for what she entered a contest where she can go see post Malone In Nashville perform his whole country album. Oh, it's a VIP event. They're gonna randomly choose fans To fly down there. Oh, that's awesome Tuesday. So she's still a big posting fan. Oh Massive, I love her delusionalness that she already wants you to decide time for something that might probably not happen I don't eat entries that probably oh my god. Oh, yeah, you know, she's holding she's holding on Yeah, I gotta tell you though so much country music now coming out from the pop world I mean they're gonna have to start opening country dance halls in Boston, you know with the two step, and they all walk around in a circle Well, you know who's trying staying true to form though. It's cold play. Yeah, a brand new song We're actually gonna play the full version right around 715 this morning. It feels like I'm falling in love is a tease Hey, you know what they have their sound they stick to it. Yeah, and we like it You know, there's a chance he may have written that song after sitting down for the interview with Lisa He felt like he was falling in love Oh my god, don't wear the inspiration we're gonna play some of that interview on the on the kiss top 30 content Oh, I love it this weekend and last one this one's for Winnie brand new collaboration. He go wins Kigo and your boyfriend's the Jonas Brothers. It's called healing Oh There you go, I like it. Oh, yeah, it's a dance. Yeah, they plug Kevin's guitar in for that one He lucked out on that one Yeah, Kevin you can just stay home. We're going all electronic Sabrina Carpenter launching her first ever arena tour and she'll bring it to Boston the TD guard in October 3rd She's so hot right now short and sweet baby. So excited. I definitely want to go to that October 3rd and just announced Noah Khan is gonna live stream his sold out shows at Fenway Park July 18th and 19th The portion of all proceeds from the live stream tickets as well as five dollars from each bundle We'll go to his mental health foundation. It's called the busy head project. Oh, that's good Yeah, it's a good for him and Elon Musk is Convinced someone is gonna kill him. He said there have been two assassination attempts already We actually did have two almost adult maniacs in the last roughly seven months come to Aspirationally you try to kill me and a bunch of other people and there was like an actual issue that they articulated They were just you know in the homicidal maniac career, so So I do need to be kind of careful Boses me to be a bit more sort of standoffish So now like I stopped signing things because like that'll be a sure way to like almost I don't mean it I'll just have some sort of sign something and then shoot them I can't even like John Lennon who was like singing about like hey Can't we all just be nice to each other and then you got shot, you know by one of his fans. You're like, okay This will try to avoid that Imagine living with that fear every day. You have a lot of security around you. Yeah, the way he talks about that was like So like kind of funny cash. Yeah. Yeah, that's how that's how he talks about everything Yeah, he's well or the asperry like his Asperger's. I think it shows there sometimes seems to be doing okay Yeah, hey, there's a docu-series coming to Netflix, and it's based on manager Lou Perlman Oh, by the way managed everybody from Britney Spears to NSYNC. Oh town least we met him at Disney. What a clue He was on the show. Yeah, oh god was he creepy then? We had a makeshift studio set up on one of the boulevards at Disney World and In the middle of our broadcast we saw Lou Perlman and his posse Coming down the street and he was heading to our show and came upstairs and we had him on. Oh god He's a little worse. Yeah, he was yeah Screwed all those people out all their money. Yeah, he was really creepy and then he was on the run And then they finally got him and he died in jail. It was weird Finally Kevin Koshner will not return to yellowstone He's gonna focus on his horizon movie series, which I want to see I'm sorry wasn't he getting divorced because his wife wanted him to stop. He was working too much working and now he's stopped working And still got the words. Yeah, he put up. He put up. No, he's still working. He's doing the movie series He put up with his own money for this movie. It's it's a pretty big investment millions of dollars He's always risky. Yeah, but it's supposed to be really good Turn out. Oh and actor Donald Sutherland died. Oh, I know You would know him from the hunger games. Yeah, that's probably one of the most recent but his earlier works like mash Yeah, well, it doesn't he doesn't he's her southern dad, right? 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Good morning my team Calling you from every own France on the room Wishing everybody a happy parade today can't be there but lifting up a couple of bottles of Bordeaux for Everybody in Boston and especially all the Celtics From the planet fitness kids 108 studios we're back with the Billy and Lisa in the morning on his 108 We're back with a crazy day people are already lining up outside the TD guard I was just watching some of the footage so people have been there since very early this morning and now they're starting to file in because What three four hours away from the start they got to get their spot. Yeah, or they don't get their spot, right? So it's gonna be a crazy day and then we're going out to Fenway Tonight for the hoodie in the blowfish show. Yeah, you are Billy last time I went to a hoodie in the blowfish I saw you and I was gonna say hi and I chickened out. So if I see you, I'm gonna say hi And I'll be easy to spot because I'll have Lisa Donovan with me. Oh, yeah, she'll stand out Consta's in the Donovan did he yep? He's hanging out with the ladies tonight That's right the first part of the night. Tim can't be there too late. So the first morning. It's I'm on a double day Yeah, it's like it's like right now when you're at work the same thing. Yeah, replace me with Michelle. Yeah Once in a while, I'll walk into the studio just so I can provide some testosterone Back into my Testosterone builds that when I provide more testosterone and bill. Yeah. Well, this is pretty funny. He brings up his testosterone filled body my dog Titus. Good boy I've done some reading and talked to some experts on how sometimes certain people walk into the house or whatever and And he the dog picks up on the testosterone Yeah, and because Justin is riddled with testosterone because he just you know pumps himself with it every day. Yep That's why Titus goes right to him and starts nipping at him. Yeah Because the dog he's from a pack and dogs like to be the head of the pack and when Justin comes in He's a threat. Well, you know, Tim was there that night. Oh, yeah There were other man on the boat and Titus left them alone, but he kept coming at me. Well, Tim's not home pumping himself Well, you're dripping it because Titus is picking up. I've talked to experts Sing a lot of certain people. He said it said they read the testosterone. He's a good boy though. He's a good boy He's he's how I love that dog. Yeah. Yeah, he's a great boy So yeah, don't forget the Justin Timberlake double play is on this morning. Uh-huh. What are we doing here? We're waiting for back-to-back Justin Timberlake songs And when you hear back-to-back songs You got to be called our 25. Okay, are we gonna play it now? Why are you hand-signal? You know, you know, just started doing that panic wave. Oh, no, I'm not waiting. Oh, oh my god. Oh, he doesn't know Winnie Yeah, it's the way that I talk see when I talk I use my hand. Oh, but now I can't use my hands Let me hide behind. But Winnie knows your sign language. I don't know It means nothing. Yeah, the Timberlake double play is on so back-to-back Timberlake So we call it 25 you win tickets to the show right and you qualify for that grand prize Which is like a whole VIP experience. Yeah, I mean kiss one away. Just putting you up in a hotel a sweet spa all that stuff So I just want to remind people that that's going on. Is that what you were trying to get me to say what all that? But anyway, the Karen retry us at the Lana Del Rey show last night. Okay. I call her mother All right, we have cats and loft us standing by she's gonna be coming in in a couple minutes. Oh boy But first we have this for Lisa the new Coldplay. Yeah, so it's waiting. Yeah, so we played a clip of this in your entertainment Report, so we're gonna play the full version. It's called feels like I'm falling in love It's part of new music Friday Play right there brand new Coldplay Feels like I'm falling in love and Lisa couldn't be happy or she's in love with Chris Martin Well, I just highly respect him and I got to interview him several years ago. So that was fun. Yeah, yeah It was very therapeutic for both of them Martin said so he actually said that. Oh, what a comment. It's been so relaxing We talked for an hour. Did you really? Yeah, that never happened They usually get you in and get you out. He's pretty up there Yeah, that's the voice is the voice of Catherine Loftus our legal expert from the law firm of a Loftus and Loftus and Whenever there's testimony the day after we've got Catherine in and I've heard something Rumblings in the studio this morning Catherine between Winnie and Lisa that we may have gotten a smoking gun yesterday Or not No, we were waiting Well, and really we've talked about it here for a couple of weeks We've been talking about these voicemails these texts. What's gonna come? What's gonna come the fact that they saved them to the very end I think we all thought Something significant was going to come from it And I do think there are some things that can be gleaned about what was happening that night clearly there was clearly They were arguing clearly something happened between when they were at the barn came out But there's nothing that points. Oh my goodness. This is what we were waiting for This is why she was charged with second degree But none of that came from there was not a clear path for the prosecution to say okay, this is what happened Well, we should recap for the audience that for weeks We've been talking this is the eight eight week trial so far and then everyone's like well Just wait to think it's really cool. This is a really big case, right? You know the witnesses talk the evidence is awful and everyone's like well wait to see the text in the voicemail wait And I'm waiting they came yesterday. She's just a crazy bitch that was mad that he didn't come home Like that was all it was come home. I'm home with the niece and nephew Like that was the brunt of it. Was it not? Yeah, I think and I do think you know There's some interesting stuff that came out of it the phone calls to her mom and dad I think are interesting to call in the middle of the night If you just in a regular fight with your boyfriend so there are some things, but they don't go to The intent that's needed to be proven by the Commonwealth for charging her with second-degree matter I mean, I I don't know how they I don't know how a grand jury indicted her on second degree, right? I keep saying that how did this even how we even hear but also couple that with the fact that Garino his timeline Started not fitting what we heard from Jen McCabe earlier in the trial, right? You explain that well and I do think One of this these things that we've talked about quite a bit is that the elephant in the room that both the defense in the Commonwealth kind of address But don't is that everybody is so intoxicated so really? We probably should take guarino's recitation of the timeline over Jim McCabe's because she was drinking all that night We got the blood alcohol from the medical examiner They said John's was at point two one and was probably higher when he was killed. So who is guarino triple guarino who is the We call them the they do the cell phone dumps So basically when you get a phone a physical phone and they have software that goes through all the possible passwords to try to get into it And that's where the information was extracted from John O'Kee's phone. So, you know, I think it's I think it's Interesting that we have so many different kind of Theories we have different recitations of the facts and ultimately it's up to the jury to to weed through that and figure out What really happened that night, but with the comm was leading with a second-degree murder charge I just I don't I don't see how they got there for the jury listening to those voicemails Do they have to decide side among themselves now whether they think she was angry enough to run them over I? Mean that's ultimately and I don't even know that it's about Angry enough if you for a second degree you have to prove that it was an intentional acting that she intended to kill him or to cause serious bodily harm I Don't see the intent in those voicemails. Do I see I? Understand what the calm wealth is trying to show is that it wasn't just this pretty picture night that you know Oh, he went in and I wasn't feeling well. So I went home. That's clearly not what it was It does lay a foundation for something else, but Really, I know I've just said it three times, but I don't know how I don't know how they There's not a clear path to conviction here I don't I don't want to speak for every woman in the world But I feel like most of us have been in relationships similar to this one And like I was we've all been probably in care and she's I wasn't blackout drunk But when you're with a guy you it's ending you feel like it's falling apart and you're like literally fighting for a relationship With someone that doesn't care that from her point of view I know he was obviously on the side of the road or wherever he was at the time But I'm saying in her point of view they've been going back and forth He's been distant and then I drop you off at this house and then now I'm home Baby sitting here needs to nephew. I'm like, where's this guy to me? That doesn't mean she thought that he was dead somewhere that means she thought he was out partying and she was watching the niece and nephew Right, and I think that's what any juror might interpret And that's the thing because you're you're somebody who's would be in Norfolk County will be on the jury and people are going to interpret Things different ways and you know, it might be you know So on the other hand, you're gonna have jurors who don't have a have any experience with having this kind of relationship And so when they hear things like this go like this is crazy the way they're talking to each other So it all comes back to the jury's perspective and ultimately, you know, you need 12 people to come to a unanimous decision I think it's going to be very very difficult I think it's probably likely that pretty people are pretty dug in as to what the positions are again if you're listening And you don't know what we're talking about this Karen read trial is a local story It happened in Canton. The trial is in dead. I'm and it's gone viral Everybody is obsessed with this case and she's charged with running her a boyfriend over who was a Boston police officer The prosecution is trying to prove that and the defense is trying to prove that it's some sort of a cover up So can we talk to about the medical examiners, you know, testimony yesterday. Yeah a little bit and that it's still inconclusive But could have been, um, you know blunt force trauma to the head from something could have been a fight But not really I mean again, it was just sort of muddled and I think it goes to it she testified a little bit about this Yesterday that we rely on you know We're looking at the medical examiner like she's supposed to know what happened that night All she gets is the body of you know, whatever in it not just in this case in any case and unless it's obvious You know that we know that somebody she said a homicide would clearly be if somebody puts a gun and it, you know The bullet goes to the brain. That's okay. This is a homicide, right? When you have blunt force trauma She can't opine as to what cause and she said that she doesn't know right? And so it's really we're looking for her to make a legal determination We want, you know, everybody wants whether you're on the defense side of the Commonwealth side We want to be able to say oh the medical examiners finance point to this But really what her job is just to look at what the body is tell us what the injuries are And then it's the lawyers jobs to say this is most consistent with this type of injury and the fact that it's a blunt force I mean the blunt force object can be anything right so it 100% could be he's getting hit by a car And it maybe its head goes back and he hits it on the ground and that's the blunt force Or he could get hit in the back of a head with an object But there's zero ability to tell which one it is it's almost like nothing's been proven for either side Well, you know, and that's why I just started to remind so hard And I think that's what it is and obviously I want to reiterate and I've said this many times the defense has no obligation to prove A case they only have to show and create reasonable doubt. However, they have presented this theory They argued in opening Statements that she was framed. I don't see anything coming to fruition any real evidence of this third party theory And I don't see any evidence that there was an intentional homicide by Karen reading I mean as the longer we go, it seems like both sides lose me and you know, maybe there's someplace in the middle Okay, so we're coming up on topic time. That's what we do and we give everybody a chance to weigh in So if you're listening you can send us a talk back Justin. How do they do that? That's on the iHeart Radio app It's that little red microphone. That's a little message. We call a talk back or give us a call 1-7-9-3-1-1-1-0-8. Do you have thoughts? Do you have opinions anything? Do you have questions for the counselor 6-1-7-9-3-1-1-1-0-8 again? Karen read is the topic What is the topic today? We're going to be talking Traditionally on the show now with topic time when it's a day after testimony in the Karen read trial Well, the topic is the Karen read trial and we've got our counselor our in-house expert our legal expert Katherine Loftus in studio ready you to take your questions So let's go to the phones and we'll start with Tony Tony. What's up? What's your question? Am I on yes, you're on Tony go alright, so my question is With regards to the blood that was found on John O'Keece's clothes They reported that that he had you know three people's blood on his clothes one being his own and I guess my question is Playing into the narrative of that, you know, he might have been in a fight Why aren't they making them more of a big deal that he had multiple people's blood on his clothes. Ah good one Katherine so from From the defenses perspective I think so originally we had pre-trial litigation two of the troopers Buchanan practice blood was tested against it There was never any request for anybody else to and I don't likely the That would have not been allowed anyway if they had asked pre-trial to you know test bright outputs blood or bright Higgins And sometimes you don't want to ask questions if you don't, you know Know the answer for certain so if that wasn't their blood on it, it arguably could have more ruled out that theory so it you usually what the defense does is they would prefer to make the Inferential argument then the actual argument because if you have if you look for the evidence and it's not helpful You know, it's like when you ask a client they say get it on it's gone camera Yeah, so is it really gonna be good on camera? You sure we want this because sometimes we don't want things that are actually gonna that hurt the case So it makes sense asked an answer and let's go to Kenneth Kenneth Europe next you have a question Kenneth oh, hi, I'm just Morning as our Kenneth Kenneth. Hey, yes How you doing? I just wanted to make a comment I Drive for the last eight months. I've been driving about six months and driving the same car as Karen Reed and I just want to say that the car is like really big a lot of Blind spots and I mean I've already hit several things not knowing that he's even hit it parking this thing It's the big car that's really high up So I just thought that was kind of curious I Mean it's interesting I think maybe that goes to we were talking a little bit off air about this the charges that Karen Reed is facing the second degree versus the manslaughter and you know whether this could have been an accent and Who knows? I mean, I've never been in that type of vehicle, but yeah Trip or Paul kind of talked about the car more and some of the the blind spots right when he was on the stand right in but in It's interesting so that that came from the calm walls expert and that I think would lead you more towards if you think she did it, right? It was an accident versus an intentional, right? So of all the evidence so far the craziest part is Where Chupa Paul said that he flew through the air for 30 feet, but then yet he hit his head on the curb I don't just don't understand how that mashing mashes He flew 30 feet. Well, that was the the opinion of Trip of all and I think it goes to this is that oftentimes these are opinions based on the data that the expert is Looking at right and they can't really conclude one way or the other I don't think it was good that he he should have just said we aren't clear about we're not sure about what happened This is what we think we found him this far based on the backing up the of the vehicle We think it stopped here, but do I know exactly how he was hit or how he was how we landed? No, because there's no way you can actually tell that no expert that testifies unless you were there unless we have it on video Unless you start with your two eyes. It's really just a theory and that theory seemed a little incredible It yeah when he said he was side swiped and he turned this way. I just was like this is he's parroiding Your opinion, I don't know it just it didn't come across well to me It didn't make sense because based on I think all of us are looking at the data all of us are looking at what's the evidence that has been presented and that would It it doesn't make sense that you could actually form that opinion you might be able to say could he have done this Maybe could he have done something else but to pick one specific theory and say this is what it is I think everybody found pretty unreliable me crazy. This is the first trial I've ever seen where there are no conclusions You know Billy the It's like insane to me like that's what you do you prove things It's maddening because we've all been watching it for two months hours and hours and hours and we still don't know right And I think that goes to that The longer we go into it the more questions we have which is not the way it it's not the way it should be Obviously the calm wealth doesn't seem to be really be proven their second degree The defense is poking all the holes, but not really proven the third party Which they don't have to well you were a prosecutor at one point Yes And if you were Adam Lally at some point in the last eight weeks Would you have switched up your tactics because what he's doing is clearly not or what he's been doing did not work I think that the I Understand the strategy of the Commonwealth because we had so much intense pressure pretrial and leading up to this about the third party theory So he spent so much time on the front end and I honestly felt like okay I can understand that because maybe the real strength in some crazy voicemails or other things that are gonna come that are gonna Show us not only is the third party theory It doesn't make sense, but we have evidence of what we want you to believe I think the fact that they don't have that you know while moment that makes us all say oh This is what we've been waiting for they probably if I'm being really honest I think the outside pressure kind of got to the Commonwealth and instead of focusing on just proving their case They sort of kowtow to to the outside Justin talkbacks are still coming in yeah It's amazing around the country around the world how many people are following this case and you know There are people that listen to this show Catherine from around the world and around the country. So let's go to our Vegas Hey, good morning guys This is Vegas Ray, and I just wrote a call in ask is it? Absolutely 100% proven that this gentleman never made it inside the house That would be something I would be interested in and I've been following it as far as I can from being so far away But is it absolutely proven that he never made it inside no nothing's proven So it's not proven it again. So Trouba Guarino testified. Yeah, he he tried right So they the if you ask the Commonwealth their position is yes He never made it in the house that at 1231 his phone stopped It shows that he was in a three feet radius. He didn't go in now We're going to have likely an expert on the defensive side That's going to say exactly the opposite and that's ultimately what what it comes down to is that we have an expert for everything We have an expert that supports the Commonwealth's theory. We have an expert that sports the defense theory and it's the jury's You know, it's the jury's job to figure out which one they believe all I know is if I ever get called for jury again I'm not going Let's go to Steve Steve you have a question for Catherine Yes, I Catherine good morning Well, the jury was a jury be given any option other than murder if they do think she did it But it wasn't intentional. Yes, so they she actually is charged with three three three charges She has second degree murder then she has manslaughter while driving under the influence and then she has leave in the scene of Personal injury or death so they could theoretically no find her not guilty of the second degree Find her guilty of the manslaughter I don't think there's a world where they just find her guilty of leaving the scene of personal injury because you have to you Have to prove knowledge. She has to have known that he was there So I think that even the scene of kind of tied up in one but theoretically they could yeah Well, those voicemas sure she didn't know I think it shows, you know, I don't know that it shows that she Didn't know I think it shows that There was a lot going on that night. There's high levels of intoxication I don't think it's there was one way or the other. Yeah, she was definitely drunk and she seemed very panicked Right and I think it does go to you know that this idea of what was happening in the moment And that's what the Commonwealth is trying to show with this they're trying to show that okay This wasn't some we're just dropping somebody my boyfriend off and then you know 10 minutes later I'm home because 10 minutes later. We're getting screwing phone calls with all kinds of crazy stuff So clearly there's something that happens in the interim and the Commonwealth believes that goes to oh She was you know enraged and she hit him. I don't think it gets there But I think it obviously shows that something happened in between so full day of testimony today, you know So full day of testimony and we'll have you back to recap what happens today on Monday Monday Yeah, okay, I'll be here. That's Catherine Loftus the law firm of Loftus Objection you got to go there. It's blow it up on social