The Zach and Pat Show
103. Imposing Your Will (feat. Adam Meredith)
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And I believe they're in like 16 local dispensaries here in St. Louis. So if you see them around and you're into that sort of thing, give them a try. Now, to introduce our awesome guest today, I've been looking forward to this one for a while. So I'm really excited to get you in here, man. He's the owner of Imposed Will, he's a father, he's a Jiu Jitsu black belt, a wrestling coach, the fight commentator for Shamrock FC, the former host of the Outside Perspective podcast in a retired MMA fighter. - Be great and powerful, Adam Meredith. - Thanks, guys. - Well, thank you. - Yeah, absolutely, man. It's, we've been wanting to get you in here for a while. So I'm really, really glad you're here. So I guess let's start off and you know, you have your company in Imposed Will. What is Imposed Will? - Yeah, you know, good question. I feel like it's just like my day-to-day life. Sometimes I always think you're like, what day it is like every day is just today, right? But you know, essentially, man, we're just a lifestyle and apparel brand. You know, we're really having the Jiu Jitsu space right now. We're expanding into this general athletic wear and other team sports. But ultimately, man, our mission is just really to help regular people come their best, if physically. You know, the how, that'll change and evolve as time goes, but you try to lead by example and just help people come back. - Yeah, so how did you get started? What made you want to start an apparel? - You know, dude, that's, you know, I always wonder like, what attracts you to something? For whatever reason, I've just always had this draw to sell clothes. I don't know why, you know what I mean? Like, I remember like trying to figure out like what entrepreneurship is, like how do I get into this thing? Like whenever I was in college, I wasn't in entrepreneurship club, took all this course, I was like, man, how do you figure out what your thing is? 'Cause you know, you're, especially when you're young, you're trying to figure out what's something new, what's this groundbreaking idea that somebody else hasn't done. It can kind of, you start getting like this paralysis by analysis. But whenever I was fighting, I don't know, I just had the idea of just starting this brand. It was initially going to be just like a fight word, fight, you know, you think like, you know, that's kind of like the goal of fighting, right? Like you want to impose your will and dominate like another human being. I mean, that was very much the attraction with fighting 'cause I'm not really a fighter. You know, some people really enjoy fighting. They want to get up the scrap. I've just always been an athlete and I've always really enjoyed just like the domination aspect. It's like, you can't do that. So there's, that is what really drew me to the sport. But yeah, I don't know dude. It's like after a fight, I was sitting in the bar with a couple buddies and we're having like a post-fight drink. And I was like, dude, I was like, I will. Like I just, for whatever reason, just like that tagline, just stuff. So that was just kind of like the birth of starting this brand. So, and this was in back like. - Yeah, one of the start. - Dude, that was probably 2000. I have the exact day written down. It's either the end of 2009 or the beginning of 2000. - Like damn. - It was a long, yeah, it was a long time ago, right? So for the longest time, I put the brand just like in the hobby bucket. So, you know, I made like a couple t-shirts and like a hoodie. I tried to do the thing right, right out of the undergrads. I graduated. And I, you know, I got an Alibaba bound to supplier and China got a couple of samples and they're just, their minimums are so big at the time. I just had my second kid. So I was like a young, like a young married guy, two kids just trying to figure out the world. And so I just kind of always just kept it as a hobby. So it was always with me throughout my fight career, but it was never really a business, business. It wasn't until, I guess what, 2021 that I decided to go on as a business. It's still limited to distractions, nothing else. And I had stopped fighting in 2017. So it's been a while since then, I did the podcast, you know, that took a significant amount of time. And also that was like a distraction 'cause that was kind of forefront. I thought I could do them both. But I feel like anyone who tells you you can do that and be like super successful, that is kind of like, you really need to go off. - Yeah. I mean, we've talked, we've talked about that before. Show and Tim Grover says it best from his book. You know, you want to be the best at something, you're going to be the worst at this. - Yeah. - Because if you want to be the best, you're going to give up it soon. - You have to. - Yeah, you have to. - Yeah. - So it makes complete sense. So you know, exactly what you're saying, please. - Yeah, and also, so, you know, if I wanted to have like a number one podcast and I also wanted to have a very successful brand, there's somebody else out there who's solely focusing on that thing, right? So I'm giving it 50% of my energy for something they're putting 100% on. - Or you're never going to catch up. - Yeah, it's kind of arrogant to think that I could. So I just decided to get rid of all this traction. Let's go off. - Let's go on and on it. - So now you, so like financially, that your full thing has been imposed well for a while now. Yes? - Yeah, man, you know, it's working out. We've grown quite a bit. I've completely bootstrapped this whole business, but it's growing. - You guys have a facility or you have a-- - Yeah, they've got an office, you know, got a company vehicle, like all paid for by the company. - Sweet. - You know, we've been able to grow to like, you know, six figures of sales, but I mean, that's still just like a profit. Especially, where we go. - Have you got, what the goal is? - Yeah, you're still young, you're still growing. And I mean, over the last, and like three, yeah, really since like 2021, really, I, ever since I came to Watson's, that's when I really started seeing like, imposed well stuff, like all over everybody, rocking the keys. - Yeah, I wish we could get Kyle. He's such a, he's a show your old dad. - I wish we could still. - Yeah, he's, he'd be a good one. Maybe someday. - He'd be perfect. - He'd be, I mean, he's just, but I mean, regardless, everybody, everybody's gym still rocks your stuff. I mean, everybody wants to support the local guy too. - Yeah, you know, we're pretty fortunate. I don't think you can go into a juicy gym, at least not in this city, not find our teacher. - Right. - But we've, we've got so much love from Tech Team. It's been amazing. - Yeah. - Just that whole team has just been super upset. - Oh, for sure. - You know, especially you're not being a Tech Team guy yourself, right? I mean, you're, you're St. Charles, you're a vloggy guy, right? - Yeah. - That's where you got your platform. - Yeah, you know what? In that case, really weird in the judicial space, right? Like it gets kind of like a, like everybody wants to be a game. - Yeah. - You have a step in their click. I'm, I'm such a chameleon. - I feel pretty fortunate that, yeah, I'm, I'm pretty cool with, you know, watch everybody. - Yeah. - Right. - So I've never really let that old school mentality, like, oh, my team's better than a team. Yeah. I don't let that get in the way of business, for sure. I'm definitely swister. (laughing) - Yeah. - Right. - That's the right move to be. If you want to, you know, expand your brand, expand your brand to the most amount of people possible. - I don't understand. - We're all just doing. - Right. - And that's the thing that you did too. I feel like, I don't know, I've not experienced a ton of the, gang-y click kind of like a personally, in my experience. Every coach I've ever had has always been, been cool with cross training and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, I've, you know, I've never cared about what we wear in the gym. And Kyle's one rule is he just, he just doesn't like funky colored bees. So like our, one rule is black, black, or black, white or blue. And that's, that's it. Okay. I can stick to that. (laughing) You know, he just doesn't want like tide Aggies. - Yeah. Yeah, you guys have a great culture. - Yes. - Without a doubt. I come into the space at a time where that, that train of thought, whereas like my team versus your team is deaf. It's with an older generation. - Sure, yeah. So actually, so speaking of that, how did, you know, what kind of started you in martial arts for you, you wrestled the high school? - Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was a wrestler in a football player and then I went to Linna Wood on a wrestling scholarship. So my former wife and I, we found out that she was pregnant with my son, A.J. during my sophomore year, I think it was. So, I mean, I stopped wrestling after my freshman college, started working, but I still had that itch to compete. And I've just, I don't know if this is like the type A personality in me, like I just want to be in control. And so I felt like I had at least some control over my destiny, like going after the sport or something. I think I've always really deep down been an entrepreneur, but, you know, when you're growing up, you kind of have, at least for me, I had aspirations of being a professional athlete. - Sure. - And I quickly realized like I'm way better at wrestling than I am in football. And I was a pretty good football player, but like I'm not a judge. It was obvious like I'm not going to (indistinct) So, you know, whenever I was done wrestling, it was kind of just a natural progression to get into fighting. So I want to compete. I want to do something that could potentially provide for my family, for with. And yeah, I mean, that's just what took me into it. I was an independent fighter for the first year of my career. So my first four fights without a gym was just like working out. - Really? - Yeah, just kind of like relying on, you know, my wrestling base and then just studying whatever film that I could, which was basically just watching UFC. - Yeah. - So just studying as much as I could. And, you know, after, I guess like a year of fighting, I don't know what to say, Charles. - Okay. - So like, yeah, that first year. So you're just like hitting the bag by yourself and the garage or like. - Yeah, dude, you know, there's a buddy shot to Chris Perez, there's a buddy at Lindenwood who was kind of into fighting a little bit. So we would just like work out, you know, just he and I a little bit. But for the most part, it was just, yeah, just me working out, staying in shape was trying to get, you know, the best gasses that I could. And just knowing that, you know, I was pretty confident in my fighting ability anyway. Like, you know, I kind of fought a little bit at school. I wasn't like a great fighter by any stretch of imagination, but like I was, I could definitely handle myself. So I think just having that arrogance and confidence of, you know, I can help myself but I need to. I just went in there to show that. So, you know, I had pretty good outcomes in those first four fights. So, you know, you just kind of build a confidence. You don't really, anything. - Yeah, so would you be sparring with him too then? Or like, 'cause I feel like that's a major part of training is the sparring aspect. So you used to being put in situations that you're not. - For sure. Yeah, you know, we did some light kind of touch sparring, but you know, he didn't have a super, you know, wide base in college. Like, he was somewhat knowledgeable, but you know what I know today? Like he doesn't, you know, so it was just kind of, he would kind of show me what he knew, but ultimately like that's what made me go to a gym. I just knew there was so much I needed to actually get to a gym. I wouldn't have any success. - I mean, that makes sense of me. So the first four fights you had, you had, I mean, yes, the first fight you took was first like five rounds of getting kicked and punched. - Dude, yeah, and like this fight was, dude, yeah, like. So they had me, they had me matched up with this guy who was also, I think he was like maybe only one. He only had like fights. I was like, all right, cool, that makes sense. Like it's a fair matchup. And then last minute, you switched me with a guy who, at least for this particular little promotion was like their little champ. And he probably had seven weak fights. And so dude, yeah, I mean, probably first 15 seconds of the fight, he fucking hit. He was, he was a softball. He hit me with just a two down the middle, broke my nose, snapped my head back. And I just immediately just rushed and kicked out, took him down, tried to mount him. He like, it was a sloppy mount. So he like pushed me off to the side and like, then takes my back and proceeds the fucking way. Come on, me, as able to get to my feet and get him back down, I ultimately won the fight. Just based off my, yeah, I went, so I won off four of my first fights like whenever I was independent. Just solely based off wrestling. He was definitely the toughest. I ended up winning the fight though. We actually had a rematch, two fights later and I submitted like the first period. So, yeah man, it was kind of trial by fire. - Yeah, so you didn't have any, really any like the get to experience. - Zero, get to do that. I mean, that was, so even more so than striking, that was my main reason of finding a gym. I really wanted to learn this. - Dude, this is when BJ Penn was super, super big and everybody's talking about how he got his black belt. Like three years or something. - Yeah, whatever it was, something crazy. And just, BJ was the talk, right? 'Cause at this time, you know, you could, you could specialize in one thing, really. See, nope, everybody wasn't the savage. Now, where they are now. So, yeah man, I was like, I got to, I got to. I really wanted to learn sweeps. I remember I was so focused, like I got to learn sweeps. - Gotta get on top. - Yeah. - Yeah, that makes sense. - It was cool though. - Yeah, so, you know, when, so when did you like officially, or when was it that you joined the gym? - I joined, yeah, 2019, as whenever I joined St. Charles, we may, probably like September timeframe, but whenever I went back to school. So, Josh Sampo, who was on the wrestling team, he was a senior, he was a freshman, he was training there, and there's a few other guys kind of going to, he's like the original location. And often St. Charles is just a gym, super kind. I think Mike lived upstairs. And so, yeah, I found my way there. And it was really cool, man. I mean, it was the first time I was just, you know, around all these fighters, people who actually do something. Do my very first day training, Tyron Woodley was in there. So, I got the role of him. He's just like beat Mike. So, I love this so much. - Yeah, it makes you guys probably realize like how much you had to learn, you know? - Oh, yeah. - Especially when you get into a gym where it's, everybody knows all these things that you don't, like you get to, and they've got more experience. - Yeah. - You know, big wake up call. - That's what I was there for. - Well, now, I guess at that time, he was, he was, like, having to go see at that point. - No, so at this time, he was, he was still very early in his career. He was just with Strike Force. He just signed him with Strike Force. Yeah, so this is super early. - Still is, but yeah, that's definitely really cool. And that's awesome. And then how also, and tell him, so where did your fighting career progress from there? - So from there, dude, it was, so I was at St. Charles for, like, a year, then I basically put a pause on fighting. I moved to San Antonio, so again, my former wife, now we moved down there. She had to be down there, and we were just moving with her parents. The idea was to, like, save up her house. We were there for, like, a little bit less for me, less than, like, back. A major reason was because I wanted to continue fighting, and I wouldn't come back to the gym, so I came back, just kind of progressed from there. So, you know, I went through the Ampturings, you know, decided to go pro, did that? - Was there not anything that I'm saying that San Antonio were getting into? - So there was, I think there's just this huge piece of me, like, I'm super loyal, and I really liked the gym, and also, I wanted to come back here. I mean, San Antonio was cool. On site being in 2020, it was actually a critical spot, but I just, I wasn't loving it down there. - Yeah, sorry. - I'm safe. - You're from St. Louis. - I'm from Jeff City. - Jeff City. - Yeah, some from Missouri. But, so her and I both were from Jeff City. So, we just wanted to come back to Missouri. - Got it. - Yeah, make some. Dude, one of the things I really appreciated about Missouri after leaving was, especially San Antonio, it's very brown, yum. There's not a lot of green. So, I just really missed the green vacation, honestly. - Did you ever get caught up in any of those dust storms that they have down there? - I did not. - Oh, yeah, it was wild. - Yeah. - Wild. That was down there for some baseball games. Stuck, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was. - And? - The nature. - Oh, yeah, Mother Nature doesn't fuck around at all. - No, no, no. - So, so how many pro fights did you end up having? - I think I was five and three, for MMA. I had one pro boxing in. - Okay, now your first four, all your fights were those all MMA, except for those couple boxing. - So, as an amateur, so Mike actually made us do that. - Okay. - So, yeah. So, those, I think I probably had 12 or 13 MMA fights, but you know, he made us do goal in the boxing. So, we did boxing, he made us take big boxing matches. He just had us do it. So, I did an amateur Muay Thai boxing. I don't think I did the amateur boxing. Just the boxing. - Which one did you like the most? - MMA for sure, that was always the focus. Dude, when you fight MMA, everything else is just, I don't want to say easy, but it's a lot less stressful. - That makes sense. - Yeah, 'cause you don't have to worry about it. - Exactly, it's like, oh yeah, we're just throwing punches or just kicking and punching. - I only got to worry about those boxing and we got to worry about his hands. - Yeah, exactly. You go to jiu-jitsu, it's like, oh, we're just doing jiu-jitsu. You don't have to worry about getting punched when we're down here. - Right, yeah. The big deal. - A whole lot less stressful, but yeah, MMA was awesome. - That's awesome. And so, how long did it take you? So, you said you started in jiu-jitsu in 2019, and how long did it take you to get your black belt? - Oh, so, I started jiu-jitsu, it was 2009. - 2009? - Yeah, 2009. So, I, what, 12 years? So, I got my black belt three years. What are we, so, 2021, so it was like 12 years? - 12 years, yeah. - Yeah, I mean, there are some breaks in it. Like I said, whenever I moved to San Antonio, train. And then, you know, especially when MMA was the focus, I was never, like, training, too. Like I was doing jiu-jitsu, but MMA was awesome. So, I'd always do jiu-jitsu for, you know, I was still training again, whatnot, but it wasn't, it was, once I stopped fighting MMA, it was all about it. - Yeah, 'cause I was a pro pro pro pro pro pro pro. - If you ever done any competitive jiu-jitsu? - Yeah. - Yeah, whether, I mean, it's just, whether like, it's a major term you did, when JW was doing those respect cards in one of those. I think that's the actually only pro suit that. No, I did, I competed on the on-it invitation. - Oh, sick. - Yeah, that's cool. - Yeah, I got beat by Will Tackett. - Oh, really? Holy shit. - Dude, he was only 16 at the time. - Yeah, he was, Andrew Tackett was alone. - It was, but Will, as Will's, his older brother. - So, older brother. - Asu Savage. - He was the one who went against Rock? - No. - They're both in there. - They're both in there. - The older one went to the heavier weight class, and, you know, but he, first guy he went against, he had like 60 pounds on him or something. - Yeah, I can't remember who it was, but he's an absolute savage. - For sure. - Great kid, yeah. - Asu Savage. - What do you think of that? Great jumps, invitation. - It was awesome. I didn't do anything the whole week, between ADCC and Genes. - Yeah, we were just, yeah, we did like a little fight companion for it, and I just watched it live here. - Did you guys say here the whole first day? - All right, no, the second day. - We just did just the second day. - Okay. - 'Cause there would have been a lot, it would have been like nine hours or something. - Absolutely. - Yeah, we just, we just did just the finals, and then we're, then, then there also was a UFC card. - Yeah, 'cause it was like-- - Was that the nochos? Was that the, at that night? - I don't think so. I think there was another, but there wasn't-- - No, that was the night. That it was the, no, it wasn't. - No, I don't think it was. - Last nochos. - Yeah, 'cause it wasn't the same day, sugar pot. Sugar pot, sugar was the main event on that one. But yeah, that was a, that Craig Jones thing was awesome. And I love the, I love the, the pit. - Yeah. - 'Cause like the resets are with really, like I would say, you know, Craig's talked about it before, I think that's definitely one of the biggest problems with like competitive bits of is like the, you know, people rolling off the mat. - Yeah. - Do you reset? - Yeah, that's what got you in your last competition. - Yeah, I mean, I, yeah, we reset. I mean, I just, I definitely didn't put myself in the right position. That was my fault. And I, you know, ended up catching me real quick. - Yeah. - I got out of the, right off, like right off the whistle pretty much so, but, you know. - You learn. - Yeah, resets up for sure. - 'Cause you don't have the same tension. - Yeah, and you lose that momentum in the position reset. - Yeah, and you lose the momentum and just like a, yeah, it just doesn't, it doesn't, it just doesn't work well. I, I like this what I like about the CXPJJ with the pit. I would, I mean, we were talking, I was like, man, I wonder if that's going to be, you know, 10 years from now, is that going to be like the standard way? - It'd be cool. - Yeah, obviously it would make, you know, setting up the venues for these events way more intensive, or like, way more. - For sure. - 'Cause like you need like some sort of like stadium seating to see down into it. - Right. - Yeah. - I mean, it's going to increase your capital. - That's good for sure. - Sure. - So, but ultimately, I haven't put that about the product. We'll see more of it. Who knows? This was the first year of that, so. - Yeah, he definitely changed the whole landscape too. - Oh, for sure. - Yeah, cool. - It'll be the big one. 'Cause he's doing it every year, right? - That's what he said. - Yeah, we'll see. - Yeah, we'll see. - Yeah, we'll see. I guess the people investing in it. - I was trying to come up with all that money for years. - Mm-hmm. - I don't know. I think they did work. Oh, in terms of viewership. - Oh, yeah. - I think it was like, over 100% of the years overall. - Oh, yeah. - Overall the platform. - So. - But we said they have like, no, maybe, it was like, it was a, maybe what? - There's millions of users a lot. - There's a lot. - And it's just, it's such a niche sport that you really only walk into. - Yeah. - I'm like, out of my friends that don't train to get to, don't walk. - You know? - Like, I mean. - Well, and I think it's just, I feel like Jiu-Jitsu has a hole just blowing up over the last, really since COVID. I feel like every time I turn around, or maybe it's just 'cause people that I'm surrounded with are constantly talking about it. But I feel like Jiu-Jitsu, hole has got a more pocket, but. - Yeah, it's always growing for sure. - Yeah. - I mean, I think it was this last year for the food that one of the big foodie tournaments here, we were talking about it was like a year before they had like 500, or like, yeah, 500 people sign up for the whole tournament. And the next year, a year later, it was like well over a thousand. - Oh wow. - Which is like doubled here, which is crazy. - That's massive. - But yeah, and then you're a commentator for Shamrock as well. How'd you get into that podcast? Kind of lead you into that? - Yeah, I think so. So whenever I was doing the podcast, I was also kind of doing some just like freelance photography. And I was doing so photography for those guys, for their social media, at their shows. I probably did that for a year for those guys. I think just because I had Jesse on the podcast one time, and I don't know if they just-- - Yeah, actually, I think I listened to that. - I think they just needed somebody to fill in, and it was like during a show. So Jesse came up to me and said, hey dude, you wanna hop on the commentary real quick? And I think I did commentary for some two fights. And then after that, yeah, that's sweet. Yeah, it's kind of-- - I'm sure it's a lot of fun for you. I just love what to do. - Yeah, you know, it keeps me in the sport. - Right, for sure. - Yeah, it's fun. I feel like I'm pretty knowledgeable, and I can articulate it fairly well. I think just because of all the podcasts. So yeah, it works out. I think people would be surprised. I'm not that guy who's a man. I'm not a massive fan of it, thanks to where I've just never been that guy who falls baseball or basketball or football, and knows all the stats and all the players and whatnot. So even with fighting, whenever I was doing it, I'd watch it, but it's more like study. And then like now that I don't really fight, I don't really keep up. Like I kind of see what's going on peripherally, but I don't really keep up. So it's definitely, it's a fun gig. You know, it keeps me in the sport, but it's like, I'm not that guy who's just at absolute fight. - Yeah. - Yeah, I think people do this. - Yeah, I mean, that's how I was, I can't stand it in the sport. - Yeah. - I played it for 20% of life. And I still can't, I still can't. This is like a foreign board block. (laughing) - Yeah, it's a hard time with that. - I can't. - What about going to games? You go to the get you. - I have been to... It's a sensory card. - Wow. - And it's all because it's been guys in the world. And so I'll go see them say hi. - I haven't been to a full baseball game. Shoot, probably since I was in the sport. - Really? - Yeah. - Yeah. Except for the ones we're playing. - Except for the ones that I was playing. - Yeah, I get it. Like once you do a thing, you kind of, it kind of loses some of that novelty. - Yeah. - Right. - Oh, absolutely. - Yeah. - You're in the group. - And it's yeah, the sauce. - You see that you're watching it in the group. - Yeah, especially once you understand the business of something, that definitely changes. - Yeah, that was one of the biggest reasons why I know the ins and outs and like, some guys made it, some guys did. There are some guys that I put in line of leagues that were good enough to be big baseball players. How? - Probably could have been very successful at baseball players, but business side of it, they just didn't have the money invested in these guys. - Yeah. - For them to bring them up, gets to a point. - Yeah, they're gonna pull up the guys that they've got money in before they point but else. I mean, it's the luck of the draw. But I mean, once you get the double A, you're hot, you're hot, at the right time, but it takes a lot of luck to get to a certain point. - Yeah, you can underestimate just the luck of the time. - Right, absolutely. - Sure, there's definitely a piece of that, even with just about anything. It's kind of being in the right place, right time, meeting the right person. I mean, I think one, one relationship, one friendship can kind of change the course of life. You know, it's kind of done that key. Like when I first got into real estate, meeting my buddy that kind of took me under his wing. That was, that kind of changed the course of life. Honestly, like I was kind of in a lost space where I didn't really know what I was gonna do. And, you know, I eventually got my license and got it, I don't really know what to do now. And that him, and he kind of showed me the way. If I wouldn't have him, I don't know where I'd be. - Yeah, relationships really are, absolutely. Yeah, it's a lot more beneficial in like business, okay? But once you start getting like sports and stuff, and... - Assures, yeah, yeah. - It's like, who the hell do you? - Yeah, yeah, that's fair. - Yeah, so, so with Imposed Will, what's the, what's the goal moving forward with Imposed Will? - Um, you know, dude, it's just, I feel like it's just kind of like more of the same. Like there's some, you know, there's some things that we're kind of working on, like kind of like working with business kind of grows, kind of like some shit, but I mean, ultimately, man, like the mission's kind of just figure out different ways to like help people and like grow the brand community. And then, yeah, man, just capitalism. It's always like, it's just, you know, push the set of figures, dude. - Yeah, well, not in it. 'Cause I know you're, it's big in the Jiu Jitsu space. - Yeah. - Is that the main focus? Are you looking to branch out and things or? - Yeah, for sure. So, you know, I really, I really dialed in on Jiu Jitsu first, just because, yeah, you know, there's so many t-shirts brands, you know, it's such a saturated, right? I mean, I'm selling a kamad. So, you know, I tried the t-shirt thing and I was like, well, let me, let me do something that's a little more niche and then something that I'm familiar with. So, you know, I chose the Jiu Jitsu community first and there's still a lot to do there. Like we're doing okay, but I mean, we're, you know, we're mostly here, but like we are spread throughout the country. Like we get regular, so throughout the country, but it's like there's just still so much growth. So, we'll still do more in Jiu Jitsu, but I'm definitely going to expand, like with like what you guys are wearing. Just more in just like general athlete. - A lot of water. - Like athlete. - Yeah, athletes are, we still need a role like our women's. But then just expanding to more sports. So, I kind of like break up, if I'm getting in the weeds, just let me know. - No, no. - I kind of like break up the business and like two, like kind of two buckets. And like first is like, you know, like the direct consumer, which is like kind of like what you guys are wearing. Like those sales are a little bit slower. Like most of our businesses like B2B, working with gyms and doing customer guys. So, just from like a growth standpoint, I'm definitely going to focus more on the B2B and expanding into other sports. Like my son's doing club, well, and I think there's a huge, I mean, like I ordered, I had to order the uniforms like, oh, I can use these. And like one of them is literally just a patch guard. So I can definitely, so I'm going to definitely start attacking more of these team sports. Wrestling would be one, you know, last year we did a deal with college district. And like, so we did like their middle school and we did their kids club, we're going to do their high school coming in. - Like singlet? - Yeah, singlet. - Cool. - So, yeah, we'll just start expanding into these other sports, you know, wrestling, volleyball, soccer, track, some of the more easy ones. And then start trying to. - I know a lot of hockey, I mean, I've worn my rash guard, especially if there's links here that are outside, then we're probably pick up games for a rash guard on me, just to stay warm. - Yeah. - But I know a lot of guys that just wear that and want to meet their hockey club. So that might be it. - For sure, dude. I mean, ultimately, dude, I mean, the big pitcher plan is like, build a Nike club. And be everywhere and all things, you know, ultimately I want to bring our manufacturing in-house, so that way we're like creating jobs and we can make things here. - American made. - Yeah, it was American made. - Yeah, and I think what we all kind of saw, especially with like, knockdowns and supply chains. She's fortunately like, for me as a business, like I wasn't super affected by that. We don't really do a lot of big freight on ships, but it's definitely something to be aware of. And like, I talk to people and it really pisses, they'll all say the same, well, you can't make money doing American made. It's like, well, shit, why not? - Right. - You know what I mean? And there's a reason why it's difficult now, but it doesn't mean that it can't be done. So I think origins really show- - Browsing. - Yeah, 100% with them. So whether or not we're like, we have looms and we're both like, that, I don't know, like when we'll get there, but, you know, doing like cut sew and, you know, bringing stuff in-house and, you know, giving people careers and skills, I mean, I don't see why we can't do that. So like, big picture of that stuff. - That's really. And- - 'Cause you did your hit, right? - Yeah, you guys did. - That was awesome. - Yeah, I love that. It's my favorite part. - I wear it all the time. - Nice to meet you. - It's my favorite. - I really appreciate that too. - Oh, of course, bro. It looks sick. And I got an extra rash guard too. - Yeah. - This is awesome. I love it, man. I wear it all the time. That in the shorts. I mean, it just looks sick together. Fortunately, I wasn't gonna pull out the win on that one, but I'm rocking it, but it's all good. - Yeah, it's fun to have all the turns we're, yeah. - For sure, dude. - Oh, for sure. It's gonna be my, definitely my composition kit, for sure. Anytime I compete, okay. - Yeah, you've been competing quite a bit. - Yeah, yeah. It's been a good, well, you know, really? Yeah, 'cause I had those basically two of the, you know, super pro, super fights, like, almost like back-to-back, like three weeks apart, which was really cool. I loved doing those. Those are really fun. Just having the kind of one-off match. Unfortunately, my last one, I had an opponent change like the day before. I was going against supposed to be going up against, you know, Sean Woodson. - Yeah. - And I was kind of had a whole game plan for him, and, you know, being an MMA guy and not being as, you know, I was gonna get way more jujitsu, like, I'll try to footlock him or do something like that. I was gonna pull guard, which is very, I never pull guard. I always make a joke that it's against my religion, 'cause I wrestled, you know? - Yeah. - But I was like, I'm gonna pull on this guy, 'cause everybody, then I know that's trained with him, had said he's pretty hard to take down, 'cause he's so tall. - Yeah, he's tall. - Yeah, have you trained with him? - No, so we, we were, one time, I think we had an opportunity to train together at, it's quad whenever I was still fighting, and I ended up spraining my knee early on the sport. So I only got like one or two minutes, okay? So I didn't. - Yeah, and yeah, so that was the game plan at the time, but then my opponent changed the day before, and I was like, alright, well, I don't know if I, looking back on it, I probably should have just stuck to this game plan, 'cause that's like all I was drilling for like a month before, you know? I was like working on this bowl specifically that was gonna get me right into where I wanted to be, and you know, I was like, alright, well, I'm just gonna go back to Old Faithful, and I was able to, you know, I was doing a right match, but then he ended up putting me in that weird, I don't know if you remember it or saw it, but he had like, I got submitted from top, top aside. - Oh really? - Yeah, it was embarrassing. (laughing) So, yeah, I got it, oh well, that's fine. - Dude, he hasn't got you into your suit yet? - No, I've started, I do, I went for three months, and then hockey started, so hockey's always been my love. - Yeah. - And so, I played twice a week, and then grow in single dad life, work coaching, I coach a baseball team, so. - Oh, nice. - Throw all that in, it's like-- - Crossfit. - Crossfit, yeah, where am I gonna fit you, jiu-jitsu in? So like, once hockey season ends, which is in March, so like, obviously I'm not gonna be, I'm not looking to get into it to compete, I'm gonna get into learning the skills, learn all that stuff, so, you know, it's probably for me, it's gonna be a March through August type thing to keep me in shape when I'm not playing hockey. - Yeah. - That I can substitute for those two days that I'm not playing hockey, I can throw jiu-jitsu in there, but that'll be from my March to August that I just got a jiu-jitsu. - Yeah. - And then once hockey starts, so I, get to the point when I'm done playing hockey, you know? - Yeah. - I love, I love playing hockey. - You guys hockey, really? - I suck. - Yeah, I started playing, it was real good. And that was my sport growing up, and really only played baseball, just sustained shape during the summer, but I just happened really good at baseball. - How many fake teeth do you have? - Zero. - Wow. - Well, that's the thing, so like, growing up, you have high heart, bro. (laughing) - I just, that's the thing, when you're growing up and you have to wear a face mask, like a full mask all the way up, and then never got to the point until, you know, playing in men's league hockey of wearing a half shield, but you're playing, it's a bunch of older guys that know how to control their sticks, so that can worry about, so. - Yeah, everybody has to go to work. - Right, exactly, exactly. You're out there having fun skating, still being competitive, so. It's not anything that you have to worry about. - Yeah. - So. - Yeah. - So. - All my teeth, all my teeth. - Yeah, I'm all. (laughing) - But no, I loved, I loved you just, I had a blast while I was in it. I was getting my ass kicked constantly, which was great. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, I went to a couple of the basic classes to get started, but then the shift in my coaching schedule during the summer for baseball, the only time I could really make was in the morning, which was the fundamentals, so. - Yeah. - I had like three classes of basics and then growing right into the fundamentals and just getting my ass whipped by a bunch of blue, purple, brown. (laughing) - Where are you trading at? - Watson's. - Watson's next. - Yeah, 'cause Kyle, I'm not sure if he does like, kind of, 'cause it's school so big, he does like a intro, kind of an intro course called the basics, where you're kind of there for your first like two or three months, you know, kind of in a class with other brand new white belts. - Yeah, it makes sense. I taught for about two and a half years until we had our second kid, a couple, six months ago, and I was like, you know, timing more. - Yeah. - And yeah, it's cool, 'cause it, you know, just kind of, it's a, an easier way, you know, I would, his retention, I think it definitely helps with your retention of students, 'cause like, where I first started at Finney's, like, you know, it's my very first day, just kind of get grown to the wolves, you know, it's like a sink or swim kind of thing. - Yeah, that's what it's, yeah, for sure. And, but I think this is a good way to do it, where you kind of get introduced to it slowly and you're in there with other brand new people, so, you know, you're not just going in there and just getting dominated by some guys who've been training for 10 years. - Yeah, it's tough, dude. I teach on Wednesdays at six, at St. Charles, and at five, there's a fundamentals class, but inevitably, there's always some classic classes. I teach a lot of basics, like, I don't do stuff, but like, ultimately, you know, it's just, the pace of the class is just-- - It's just a lot faster. - Yeah, as I can know, like, I kind of, for my classes, kind of understood that you have a certain baseline of knowledge, because some days, like, I do a ton of teaching, but honestly, some days, I'm just like, we're just going to go. - You're just going to set the time. - Yeah, dude, like, we're just going to go maybe live from positions or, you know, it's like, we do, for my warm-ups, I do floral in, so it's like, if you don't have any Jiu Jitsu. - Yeah, it makes no sense to you. - It makes no sense to you. It's like, you might as just sit on the ball and watch, which is fine, but it's, you know, you need a certain level to understand my class. 'Cause it is, it's like drinking from a water. So if you are brand new, you can take the class, especially if we're just drilling technique or something. Like, you'll figure it out, but there's just, you're just trying to figure out which way is up. - Oh, yeah, especially when you don't know anything. - Yeah, it's the thing, it's like, I got in and I, I think the only submission I had learned at that point was the North-South Amora, and, but I only did it for one class, so it's not like I really had a grasp on it. - Right. - And then the next class I'm in is the fundamentals class, and I'm like the drilling that we did, like I was able to pick up on the drilling, but I'm like, those guys are moving at such a quick pace in the way that they're practicing those drills versus the way, like I'm going extremely slow. I'm a thoughtful just to kind of get used to the moves and these guys are flying through it. And, you know, I did, I felt bad because I felt like I was taking up time from their time being able to train because I was going so slow with this stuff. But then like once we started the sparring and all that stuff, I mean, shoot, the first guy I went with, arm-barred me in like 10 seconds. And I was like, oh fuck me. (laughing) - And he's like, I'm a big guy. Nobody's gonna, nobody can be able to submit me. - That's not, I didn't think that thought was gone. I can never, that thought I was never in my head. I mean, after a while, like after I started taking, you know, more and more classes at the fundamental levels and learning, you know, the grasp, like starting with the grappling and all that, like I was okay with the grappling stuff. I mean, being a bigger guy and I mean, back in my grapple and sparred a few times that, you know, I feel like I'm pretty tough to take down once I got the hang of that. - Yeah. - But yeah, I mean, from that, like once I'm down, like I'm like, all right, what the fuck do I do? - Now what? (laughing) - Just don't let them do this. - Right. (laughing) - Yeah, like all your natural human reactions. - Yes, 100%, right, yes. It's like your, yeah, your natural instinct is gonna, you gotta like untrain. - Yeah, everything's counter. - Yeah, it's like, oh, you think you wanna turn your back, get away from this guy. That's the worst thing you could do. Especially with wrestling, like that was a, that was a, like a habit that I had going in to get to. Like, I can remember like, start from the feet, like getting taken down or something. I would have been like, belly down, belly down, you know? And that's like the worst thing you can do in Jiu-Jitsu or I get caught in triangles constantly. - Oh, it's all the rest of the shirt. - Yeah, just driving forward and then just getting caught. Like I was, you know, my first class just, just getting at triangle, like three times by a man to cliff and there's a black belt, you know, you know, but yeah, beat my ass. - Yeah, I was like, oh shit. - Super humble. - I was like, ah, damn, it made me, it like opened my eyes to it and I was like, I gotta learn the shit. So I, that's been one of the best things I think I've ever, that I've ever started. I look, I actually haven't trained in almost two weeks now. So I'm looking forward to getting back in there tomorrow. I like just got some tattoos over the last week and. - Yeah, looking good. What'd you get? - I got a samurai sword. - A samurai and then a koi fish inside here. - Oh, that's sick. - Where'd you go? - My buddy Caleb Genino, he's at a tower classic. He used to be an art monster, but he moved shoppers. - There's so many good artists now. Once upon a time, like you had to really search it. Now they're almost everywhere. - Yeah, like everywhere you can go pull up some of his Instagram and go, oh shit, yeah. - There's so many good artists. - Yeah, I see the one you got on your hand with all the other ones, yeah. - Oh yeah, on my hand, I got my forearm. I got, I got several. - Oh. - Yeah. - Yeah. Inked up, inked up. - Yeah, you know, been wanting to get it all the way down to my wrist for a while. Glad I finally pulled the trigger. Yeah, a lot of hours. - Yeah, I'm coming to sessions. - This was, this from the elbow down was three. - Okay. - We did it. That's probably 15 hours or so total. - It's deep out. - Yeah, took a while and then this was, so up here was another four seconds. I was with probably a four to six hours per second. So a lot of hours. - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, but, oh, you know, you're a dad as well. That was one thing out, we talk about on the show. So how many, you have two kids? - Two kids, yeah, man, they're 14 and 16. So yeah, dude, I was 20 years old. So, yeah, way too. So, it started really, yeah. Plus is the minus. - Sure. - But what was that like being college, trying to raise kids of babies? - You know, dude, fortunately, when they're young, they're actually really easy. I mean, they obviously take a lot of time and stuff, but, you know, hindsight being in 2020, you always feel like you can do better. But, you know, it was, it was a, I don't know, it was a, this is a good experience. It is a good experience. You know, I guess the positive about when you're a young parent is that you have the energy. But on the flip side, it's like, you know, you're both growing up together, you know? So there's definitely some things where I like, man, I wish I would have maybe instilled this with them, or maybe not have taught them that lesson. But, you know, it's just trial and error. Nobody knows what they're doing. But it's been good. - Both boys, boy and girl. - Boy and girl. - Yes, my son is the oldest, my daughter is the youngest. You know, when she was very young, she was diagnosed with autism. So I went real heavy on just trying to like treat her brain, just anti-inflammatory stuff, lines, very much from, she would be like, all these things, healthy diet. And like, she does great. Like she used to be on IAP. Like she is, she's not on IAP at school, but she's in advanced classes. - That's awesome. - Yeah, so I mean, they're both really great kids. We said my sons, they both play volleyball. - Okay. - 'Cause my sons in court right now. But yeah. - Yeah, that's pretty, that's shit. - Dude, it is. And like, so I graduated high school in 2006. And then's volleyball was not a thing. - No, I was the same as it, '06. - Yeah, like it was not a thing, right? So now it's acid. We just got back from a tournament in Indianapolis. I mean, there was almost 100 courts there. It was just so many teams from all over the country, from literally every state, like California to Florida. Like they were all over. It was insane. There's this one team called Bay to Bay. They're in Silicon Valley. They're like natural chain. I was like, son, I like every single one of those kids or their parents are, like they don't live in Silicon Valley. (all laughing) - Just to live in Silicon Valley, you have to make a difference. - Yeah, these kids are frickin' sad. So yeah, it's growing quite a bit. I'm a full-on boy. - It's awesome. - Yeah, cool. Yeah, 'cause there's a place that we practice at for baseball and the winners, called the Bud Dome down in South County that they've got. I mean, I think they make all of their money on volleyball terms. - Do they? - Oh yeah, 'cause they've got it. It's, it's a really, it's an old warehouse in the industrial park, first things, the main park industrial park. - Yeah. - And it's a big-ass building. So big that they've got one full-based ball field in there. Like kids that, I think it's like, well, they're actually gonna play full games on one of the fields. And they've got another field, got a full gym in there with, forget what company runs the gym. And then they've got a full basketball court that they convert into one volleyball court. And then another part of it is like, I wanna say like 15 volleyball courts, just all side-by-side all the way. - Constantly. - Yeah. - Constantly run volleyball terms. - Yeah. - It's insane. - Sports blowing. - Yeah, which is why-- - It's so much fun to watch. - Oh, it's so exciting. - Yeah. - It's intense. - It's so fast-paced, so quick, so back and forth, all that. It's, it's, yeah. - Well, it's crazy, 'cause you guys were, you guys were '06, and I was 2011. And for my high school, we won, won state and volleyball, met the men's like, won state, I think. And it was like, I was like one of the sports that my school was good at, you know? And at the time, you know? - It was starting to get big, and I was in high school. So, Opel had a really solid team. I think we had three or four guys went and played division volleyball. - Oh, nice. - But it was, but not every school had one. I know Opel and then Gianni was like another big one. Like, we were like one and two and state at that time. - Okay. - We played each other. I remember, like, our, our, we played by Gianni at Opel. Our state, it was back. - Back. - But yeah, I mean, I don't think there were as many teams. - Yeah. - There wasn't as many teams back. - Well, it makes sense you guys had 'em being up here, right? - Yeah. - I mean, I feel like you guys had probably, I mean, you guys have the cross teams. You guys had swim teams. Schools had swim teams. And in Jeff's city, they, it was just like the. - Yeah. - Yeah, even like tennis involved and stuff, but, I knew one kid who played the cross, he had to go to Columbia to play at Rock Ridge for that. Then, yeah, nobody was going to college. It's just not. - So were you at Hawaii's? - No, I was at the public school, Jeff, yeah, Jeff. That was just Jeff's city. - School. - You know, at that time I was like, how hard is this? There's only one school here, but now there's two. - Yeah. - But, yeah, I just went to the public school. - You might have said it in a mistake, but what eventually brought you to St. Louis in Jeff's city? - I went to Linda Wood on the rest of the scholarship. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, okay. - And basically, outside of the year of being in Santa Fe, I think it was a high time. - And so, are you getting your, as your son, or are you going to get them into Jiu-Jitsu, or wrestling, or anything like that? - So they both, no, not now. So they both, did you Jiu-Jitsu in there or young? - Okay. - It was kind of like a, yeah. I didn't push him too hard, but probably should of course do it. He wrestled whenever he was in eighth grade, and then after that, he was like, "Dad, this is your thing." He was like, "You're like broke my soul." - Oh, yeah, yeah. - At least he got the experience in like, we're still like, we're boxing stuff for now then, but just 'cause like, you know, I wanted to at least be capable. - And be able to practice. - Yeah, for sure. But, you know what, he's just really, he's all, which is fine. - Yeah. - Yeah, so I mean, he does the left in, and like I said, he's doing a club during off season, a role in off season. He says he wants to go to college and play, so we'll see. - Yeah, we'll see. - Yeah, that's a, that's a hard thing. It's like, I, you know, I got two boys, and they're two young now, and I'm like, I can't wait 'til they, 'til they can get into wrestling, and get to the whole stuff I love, but like, yeah, you don't wanna, you don't wanna push it on 'em, you know? - Yeah, well, hindsight being in 2020, I should have put 'em in wrestling soon. I just remember like growing up, you know, I never wrestled a kid's club, I started in school, and I remember, you know, we had to work at Kid's Club for both of the Jeff City. I just remember how intense it was, and I remember some of these, - Yeah, that's fine. - Tech to get to the side. I was like, man, like, this is just too serious. So, after being in the Jiu Jitsu community for so long, it's just way more laid-back. I was like, oh, let's start with Jiu Jitsu. It's a lot more chill. But, you know, it's kind of like a double edged sword in that, even though it's chill, if you want them to compete, there's not as many opportunities, and it's far more expensive. I mean, wrestling, I mean, you can wrestle every weekend. It's not like 2020, but turn super cheap and do it way more frequently. Also, I don't know, I just had those images in my head of those parents, and it definitely skewed me because, like, once I got them into wrestling, it's not nearly as intense as I had it hit. For sure, you know, it's loud in the gym, though some parents are mean, some stuff, but especially when they're young, they're just kind of, like, pushing each other around. Like, maybe they'll fall down and take each other around. Like, it's kind of like, do you like the cowboy role? There's the role over the place. So, it's not nearly as crazy as I kind of had it hit. So, I think, especially when they're young, it would have been better, you know? Wrestling, wrestling first, and then eventually you could get through, you know? - For sure, for sure. - That's kind of what I'm thinking for my boys, I would, you know, there's a Oakville, meldal, like wrestling, like, kids wrestling club. And my, one of the guys I train with is him and his son, they run it. So, school, I mean, hopefully, they're still doing it in about four or five years from now. And I would actually want to get him. My son's two and a half now. So, I mean, I'm thinking, like, six, seven, maybe somewhere around there. - Sure. - And he's kind of in that age where it kind of makes sense. Maybe earlier if he wants to, but I think he's at the start of the court. And he'll be like, "That's a little early." - 'Cause it's like just herding gas at the moment. - Yeah, I watch what, you know, we do that. - It's the kick-a-roos. - We do the kick-a-roos, up at Vetta, you know? And, you know, just watching all these kids run around this, around this, like, field and then attempting to, like, get them to do, like, a drill is like, you know, there's no-- - It's tough. - There's no organization, there's nothing, you know? They don't want to, yeah, they just want to run around and be crazy. - Yeah. - And, you know, like, my son has always just wanted to, like, wrestle the other kids, and, you know, - That's, I mean, they're, my two are always wrestling, each other, so it's like, you know what, you need to get you something. I was talking with Adam, Salah, he was saying, "Yeah, put him on down, I do the Fox Kids Wrestling stuff." - Yeah. - "Is it real or not?" Oh, okay. - It's such a natural thing to say to the rest. - Oh, yeah. - It is, like, especially for boy. I feel like that was something I always wanted to do. You know, I always wanted to wrestle, like, from, like, an early age, and I didn't, and then, but then I ended up going to a high school that didn't have it. And so, my, yeah, but I had to, like, my freshman and sophomore year, I, like, Titian'd and found a coach and probably ended up, like, by my junior year, having a team. And, and so I really only got to wrestle for two years, but I did a lot of, like, off-season stuff with a lot of my buddies that were, like, slew. And so, like, I had, like, a little bit going into that gym. There, like, I would say, maybe I had, like, a happy year's worth of experience, but still I had never competed. But I still had kind of a, a good base, I guess, to start. But I, you know, I always wish I got to a younger. - Dude, you know, I've never met a grown man who wasn't happy that they wrestled or wished it. - I haven't. - Yeah. - It's a, I think it teaches you-- - Cross the board. - Like, I would, I would, a lot of my, like, work ethic and thrive to, like, come from wrestle. - Yeah, completely changed my whole life. - Yeah. - Yeah, it completely set me on the whole, like, career deck. I only got into it just to get better. I was like, yeah, my, like, my buddy went out for wrestling and his older brother had just went out for wrestling too. And I think he just wanted to practice with him. - Yeah. - So he's like, dude, it'll make you better. - You get better tackling. - Yeah, well, yeah, it was really just about, like, improving, like, reaction time. And so I was like, yeah, that makes sense. Like, let me, let me come check it out. And I just felt, oh, it's, it really, wrestling is, was really the original seed for what, like, started my brand. So I think it was maybe my junior year. So we, you know, we have duels during the week or like, you know, in the internment in the weekends, usually a Friday Saturday, and like Sunday, we'd come in and we would do either, like, a lift or a run or just something to stay active, some sort of acting. And on this one particular, like, Sunday, if we get there and you could just tell, like, coaches, I don't know, he had something like going on. He just wasn't very happy. He had a plan for us. So, like, we get in there and we're like, we lift and like, we're doing deadlifts and like, bench press and pull ups. He's like making us lift harder than we were. Super hot in there and like, all the windows are fog. It's just a really tough lift. And then after that, takes us across the street to like the high school, 'cause we were like in a separate building professor in the room. And we had to run, we ran halls. So we were like, go around the hall and you had to make it in like, I was like 45 seconds or so. Everybody didn't make it, yeah, sure. Yeah, it is, so like, yeah, 103 pound or all of it to have surely enough to have a lift at some. So ultimately we end up doing, I don't know, I think we end up doing like 16 sprints, which he told us afterwards, like equated out to like, sprinting like two miles. - Sure. - Dude, we were fucking toast. And so, like, we're all dead, we're thinking we're done. Like, no dude, they already picked up the same room dude. So like, we go back to the best in the room and we proceed the five minutes out. And like, we're just like, we're crying, we're exhausted. And, you know, he just had this intention of like breaking this. But I just remember like, there's this moment like where like, I'm crying, I'm tired. I think I was, I wrestled 189. So we were wrestling in groups of three at this point. So it was me and the 215 pound. So it's like a little guy. Yeah, but I just like found this new gear. I just remember this like kind of like snapping like finding this new gear like I wasn't tired of this. It was kind of like the first seed to realize like, we all have more in the tank, like we're capable of far more than like our let us be. And like, hey, you have to break through this mental wall. So it was just really the first understanding how powerful the mind is and like what you can actually do break the wall. - I think David Goggins said it best. And I think it was him and him. He was running Jesse. It's like, I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like, it was running them through and he was like, when you feel like you're tired and you're done, that means you've got 40%. - Yeah, or is it you're at 40% or at 40% or something like that? - At 40%, but yeah, something like that. - Yeah, same concept. Yeah, 100%. It's like, you think you're done, but you're just getting stuck. - Right. - You have a whole lot more. - Yeah. - And so I mean, with baseball, you don't get to that point. Like, you know, I mean, sure, there's times where you're like stuck in an inning and trying to dig out of an inning and stuff like that. But you don't ever have that physical exhaustion to, I mean, you experienced mental exhaustion, shit, you're playing games every single day, one day off a month. - Yeah. - But like, physical exhaustion, it's not baseball. Like it is, I mean, hockey was one thing. I mean, they beat the shit out of us. Our in high school, my head coach was a sergeant in the Missouri Highway Patrol. He ran our practice. It's like a drill, like a drill start. - Yeah. - It was tough. - Yeah. - But I love it. I thought it was awesome. Some guys follow up. You're like, all right, you're done, fucking leave. So just kept pushing as it stick around when the guys got to play. - Either you want to. - Yeah, or you don't. - Yeah. That's kind of the thing I'm running into with like coaching this thing. - Let's be honest, get into that. - You know, they have the, I mean, they have like athletic excellence across most of their things, but they don't take wrestling too seriously. A lot of the kids, they're in like Club Hockey, for example. A lot of the kids play hockey there. So there's like two days a week. Either they like leave earlier, they're just not there. - So they play both? - Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, exactly, dude. It's like, when you're in season, you're in season. - You get into exactly what you're saying before. It's like, if you're going to put all your effort, you can't put, you can't be the best at both things. - No, exactly. So I mean, whether- - That's the thing is their hockey team's always beating your state every year. - Yeah, their hockey's good, their lacrosse is good, their football's good. I think they're playing for the state championship and football on Friday. So like they're good in all these sports, but for whatever reason, it just hasn't translated to wrestling. It's like a very secondary afterthought. So I mean, me as a coach, it's just like, look dude, if you want to be here, then I'm here for you, but like, if you're not going to be here, I can only do so much. Of course I'm going to coach you, but I'm focused on the kids who want to be here. - Yeah, I'm sure that's true. - So this is your first year coaching that's on you? - Yeah, yeah, you know, I've coached wrestling for so long, whether it was like in the Jiu Jitsu context or like MMA context, like I've never stopped wrestling, but yeah, this is my first time coaching high school. Yeah, when my son did hits club, I helped with that. But yeah, this is super fun. - How's it been so far? - Good man. - You said you got your first duel. - Yeah, tonight. - Yeah, tonight. So I mean, this is week four of practice. So we'll get the football kids in like next week after another season's done, but it should be fun, man. It's a learning experience for me. - Yeah, awesome. Do you ever get like attitudes from kids like that? 'Cause I get it from, I get it like, oh, what are you talking about? What do you know, type attitudes from kids? 'Cause I go to 17, 18, they get a little bit of an attitude sometime. - Yeah, you know, fortunately we haven't, you know, most of these kids haven't had enough success, especially wrestling to have that attitude. We've had some kids quit, 'cause it's hard. You know, it's hard. But no, I mean, I think the kids who are there, like they wanna be there, they're pretty inquisitive and wanna learn. But they just... - Oh, I feel like every wrestler I would talk to has a really funny, petty story. I mean, cutting weight stories. - No, no funny ones, dude. I have only... - Nothing funny about it. - No, dude, like I miss weight one time as a fresh, or as a sophomore on JB, I miss weight. And I've never missed weight ever again. Oh, it's never fun, but funny. - Right, well, I'm talking about like talent though. - Oh, he had to take like... - He took laxatives and shit himself. - Really? - Well, he took laxatives 'cause he had to lose the weight, but then he couldn't sleep 'cause he was so dehydrated. So he took a bunch of sleeping pills. - Oh, wow. - He woke up in a puddle of his own shit. - Wow. - Yeah, I've never done anything I've done to him. Yeah, I was always pretty methodical with him. Yeah, I would always diet down and then like cut harder weight. - For fighting? - Yeah, for fighting. I didn't really have to cut a lot of weight as a wrestling. I would like diet down from football, moving into wrestling, but then I did. But no, I thought I won 70. - Oh, really? - Yeah, and I usually walk around like 195. So I'd usually diet down to like, if I could get the 78, that'd be great, but I usually around me 78 feet, and that would just do 10 pounds. Yeah, I'll work. I'm still on the classics and this way, some of this stuff. Go hit the sauna and the treadmill and all that. And I would probably do the last like three or four pounds, just soaking in the top of salt, rubbing alcohol. So I had a pretty, pretty doubt. - That's not the best thing I could ever have. - That's my, like, I just don't know how I like to eat. I like to eat. I just, I don't know how I would be able to do that. So I don't know if I could. - Yeah, I have like this weird tradition now, like every time even you get to, even if I don't have to cut weight, I still go even like, if I'm doing a tournament or something, even if I'm like on weight or whatever, I still like to go and sit in a sauna for like 20 minutes. Just even before I go to, like my wife knows, she's like, I know you want to go to the gym for about an hour. I usually like go and just hit like a nice long, like 30 minute stretch. And then I go sit in a sauna for 30 minutes, just because that was like, that was the ritual whenever I, 'cause I was always, 'cause I used to weigh for wrestling. I would, 'cause I played football as well. And I played football, you know, all four years. And then I junior years when we got the wrestling team going. So, but I'd weigh like 170, 180 for football. And then I wrestled at 145 or 140. So like, I was, yeah, I'd lose a lot of weight. And yeah, I mean, but I, but like, yeah, not fun. I mean, I wouldn't do that one. I mean, I'd diet down, you know, I'd throw up progressively through that first month of wrestling, like I'd lose a lot of weight. Like, you know, I'd try to cut. I usually get down to like the 50s and then, - Well, I mean, just naturally you're gonna lose. - Oh, we have a wrestling itself. - Especially, naturally you're gonna lose a lot of weight just from how active and exhausting, and tiring wrestling practices and things were. - The wrestling practices, it just made you lose a ton of weight. Just burn it so much, calorie. - Oh, yeah. I mean, the water weight here, this side. - And then there was a lot of times where I, if I was really heavy, like I'd get home from wrestling, eat dinner and then go for like another, you know, a small dinner at the time. Probably like a chicken breast or something. And then went for, you know, a run around the neighborhood. - Yeah. - You know, and like, you see, just constantly running all the time. So to help lose weight. - It's a constant battle for some people. - Sure. - Yeah. - I mean. - I would be one of those in a constant battle for sure. (laughing) - Oh, it does not sound fun. - Oh. - Yeah. That's why most wrestlers get really fat. - Yeah, you get like this. - We're fine. - I think to get this like eating disorder, you like, you can't, you feel like you can't, or so long and then you kinda have the tan. I just want to get everything. - Yeah, and I mean, the rebound effect is real, especially when you pet drastically. I mean, you're gonna put on a ton of weight really fast. It's gonna be hard. So if people just put systems cutting to it, right? - Well, that and then, I mean, you're done training, not training like you were, which is also, you said, doesn't actually keep the weight off. 'Cause I mean, I saw it. I mean, when I quit playing baseball, I mean, it's, like I said, it's not like baseball is a super active sport, but the training that's involved with it in the off season, if you're a pair for the season. - Yeah. - The maintaining that you're doing during the season. You know, I would always put on about 10 pounds throughout the season, just because I wasn't, you're not training like you are obviously. - Right. - I was just fucking sucked. - Yeah. - In terms of that, but, you know, when I was done with baseball, like it was like, finally, I was like, oh fuck, I don't have someone telling me when to lift, what to lift, how to lift. Like, I'm gonna take some time off. Well, that time turned in like seven years. - Right. (laughs) - And I went from being like 215 to 220 to 270 like that. - Yeah. - Boom, my last spring training, it was in 2015, I weighed in at 220. And then I went in for my physical, once I retired, I went in with my primary care physician like that. That was, so that was an A. And then I went in to be a primary care physician in December and I weighed in at that 250. And that's from, for me to December, put on 30 pounds. - Yeah. Fuck. - How much education do they do on like your guys' diet? - Zero. It's terrible. Absolutely awful. There's none. I mean, we talked about this on the show before, you know, we did a question and answering someone was like, what's the most important thing that you guys learned? The biggest thing that I've learned, especially now, that doing CrossFit, having a nutritionist is how important tracking, counting that is. Staying on top of that isn't like, but to eat and how to eat? - Yeah. - We didn't have any of that. Like in college, we had the Cardinals nutritionist come in and we were like, oh, this is gonna be great. Being in college teaches how to eat and all that. She's like, all they said was, you know, how you outta here lost 30 pounds? He went from drinking 12, 32 ounce sodas a day to three. Like, that's it? That's all we gotta do on training stuff. - That was all the information. - Pretty much. Yeah, like they didn't talk to us about the importance of like, how much protein you should eat, carbs and fats and how you should break that down. I didn't really have that until this year when I started with my nutritionist. And so it's just been, I mean, yeah, I wish. I mean, like even with the Reds, they're just like, oh, you need to make sure you're getting enough protein. Well, what the fuck is enough protein? Like, I don't know what that means. Like, I'm not a nutritionist. And they're like, oh, just then they give us like some sort of like half-baked meal plan. Then like not explaining any of it. It would just be like, hey, here's your off-season binder that has all the workouts and all that stuff in it. But then like two pages at the end, which was like, oh, hey, follow this diet plan or this meal plan. And you'll be just fine. And but you're like, I'm looking at the meal plan. I'm like, okay, well, that's what I do eat. And it's like-- - It's like, I'm not fine. - Yeah, it's not working. - Well, it's, it's, I feel like, I mean, this is something that I really, I mean, just basic nutrition should be something that you like taught in schools. - Absolutely. - And people just don't know a lot. I mean, you don't really, you're not gonna know it unless you go out and seek it. - Yeah. - Like I was having a conversation this past weekend with someone I know. You know, she's been on the semagluetide and she's lost a ton of weight doing it. She looks great, but, you know, she doesn't exercise. She like, just basically, you know, that me essentially what that stuff does from my understanding is it doesn't really make you hungry. You know, the ozempics and all that stuff. You know, so she just like doesn't eat a ton. And she was asking me, she was talking to her doctor and she's like, just telling her that she needs to like start eating protein and like start exercising. And, and she was like asking me. She was like, no, I bought these fair life protein shakes and they're, you know, 30 grams of protein. I just been drinking one of those a day. Is that enough? And I go, well, is that all the protein you're eating? She goes, I think so. And I'm like, no. - Right. - That's a, that's like a meal like you need to be eating. Like, you know, I said roughly a gram per pound of body weight is what you should kind of shoot for. And she was like, well, if I'm a hundred and sixty pounds, like I, that's, I got to drink like nine of those a day. I'm like, no, like, like eat other things, meat, eggs, you know, all these other, you know, there's, there's protein, a lot of other things than just a protein shake. - Right. - But it's, it's, I mean, you can, but it's just like, you know, it's that stuff that, you know, I've been paying attention to like what I eat now for probably close to a decade. And it's just something, but it's looking back on it as all stuff that like I was, you know, it's not self-thought to like talk by somebody. And I've had to like go out and seek that information for myself. It's not something I was like taught in school or anything like that. So I'm got to think that most, most people out there, they don't have a, you know, that have that education. They've never like gone out. - Look, I hope RFA puts something in the place about that. - Yeah, let's hope. I mean, so much of the information is just bad. - Oh, it's terrible. - The food pyramid, absolute garbage, right? - Or shit. I think at one point they were trying to petition Congress to make pizza a vegetable. - Really? - Yeah. - Yeah, I remember reading about this. I guess this was, this was back when I was still playing. So this was like any time between 2010 and 2014. - Yeah. - That I was reading this. Yeah. - Really? What the fuck pizza a vegetable? Come on. - Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, in the dissemination of information like takes so long. Unfortunately, it's a lot quicker now. You can get more information through podcasts, right? You're from the sources. But I mean, to get filtered into the academia, it takes like two decades. It takes a long time for information. - You're joking. You show up in the books. - Yeah, right. And then most doctors are just educated on the pharma, pharma, pharmaceutical. There we go, pharmaceutical model, right? So I mean, it's just like, what's the pill for? 'Cause that makes me a symptom. - Right. - They're not really trying to hear me. - Well, it's like ever since, even when I was playing baseball and I was coming in at 220, 225 in the off season, meeting with my primary, he's like, "You're obese." I'm like, "Do I fucking look obese?" Like, "Come on." - Yeah, they don't know anything. - No. - They know the most. - Yeah, it's been, yeah. I'm done with it. Ever since this whole testosterone, just kind of kept pushing up and up and up and up. - Yeah. Yeah. I still don't even, I had a guy. And I asked him, I wanted to get just like a complete blood work panel. And he's like, "Well, if you're not having these symptoms, we probably don't recommend this test." I'm like, "What, what are you talking about?" Like, "All right, you're fired." Like, "I don't want it to you." - Yeah, if you're not gonna-- - It's like, this is where the reaction is. It's just sick here, right? Yeah. - Well, that's what I think is like, so we talk about having low testosterone. It was like, "Zach, Zach and I both dab it. We both on testosterone now." But like, I tried to go through my primary care to see if I could get a cover because I was so low. And they just kept pushing up. Like the very first time I needed a full blood panel and put, they didn't explain what, you know, the shit. They're like, "Oh yeah, it's in your portal. You can look at it." - Yeah. - It's all there. I'm like, "What the fuck does this mean?" - Right. - No, and like, looking at it, has like, angel, angel, angel, angel, should be and stuff like that. But like, I just think it is. And then I just found the one that said testosterone. Holy shit, I'm up. And so they just kept pushing me off. Oh, we're gonna test it. That's all we're gonna do. So you're giving me. - Right. - We have rockin' on it. You know, new age health programs. And if you're looking for a good place to go to get blood work and stuff like that done, they're awesome. But yeah, we went in. We both did full blood panels with them. And literally they just sat down and there's practitioner walk us through everything and what everything was great. - Oh, that's awesome. - Yeah, it was cool. - Yeah, and what does normal mean, right? - Right. - What's normal for most people is being sick. - Yeah. - For sure. - Yeah, look at 70% of the country's obese. Something like that. - Oh, well, maybe it's something like that. And I know there's like 79% of men below the age of 25 wouldn't fall for the physical fitness side of the military. - That, yeah, it's horrible. And what's your training look like these days? Do you jump in with the wrestlers or do you still train, have you said you train Wednesday? - Yeah, so I coach on Wednesdays as HRL still. I still teach there, you know, I teach privates. So like I'll roll with the students. But, you know, it's not as active as I watch this. Definitely need to get better. You know, I tend to do 75 hard at least once you, but I definitely have to get better. Like for real, you know, I'm still, you know, I'm still fairly active. Every once in a while, you know, I'll go swing the kettlebell or something, but I don't, I don't, I'm super dialed for real. You know, it's much more making systems. I'm not really training for anything. So I'm not trying to. Hit any goals or anything. It's just, it's just, I haven't really gained a whole bunch of weight. I think right now I'm probably probably 10 pounds heavier than I want to be. I think I'm at 205 right now. Usually like a stay around. So I'm a little bit heavier, but yeah, man. I pretty much just focus on this, or just like being with the kids or something like that. So I'm not like on the real doubt. - Yeah, it helps to, like you said, it helps to have something to train for. - Yeah, that's, I haven't these couple matches that I had a last couple of months. It's like, all right, I'm dialing in for these. - For sure. - Like I got, I got a date on the calendar. - Yeah. - I kind of go through these ebb and flows where I kind of get, not like crazy out of shape, but like right now I'm probably drinking the beat. Or like, you know, I just eat it, I jump. But then I'll just, I don't know. I feel like a couple months of that, I just, it's time, it's time to be like dialed in. - No. - So I kind of go through these ebb and. But I mean, I'm always staying active. It's just whether or not like, it's true. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, it's always doing something. Gotta, gotta stay active. - Yeah, I do a lot of just like kind of like recently grew, Pablo Casuolo and kind of philosophy, you know, just little reps kind of frequently, but it's not, so like I'll just randomly like, go pick up the kettle. (indistinct) I'm, well, I'll start like, you know, 10 or 15 squats. We do these challenges with the Imposable, these monthly challenges. So, yeah, you know, I try to stick with those as well, but what's this more? - This month is just essentially just trying to, like meet and meet a new perfect? - Yeah, like just have a conversation with a stranger or pick up the trash in your area or it's like, do a good deed. Just kind of, you know, stick in the line with one of our core values. You know, leave it to the third. Yeah, so, you know, if we're doing something like physical, like last month we did 100 squats, like I hit the squats. But yeah, I mean, I'm never like on just like routine. (indistinct) One day's chest day, you know, Tuesday's back day, you know, so I'm not really. - Oh, you were mentioning earlier, you know, I'm switching gears here a little bit. Going back to the fatherhood side of it. You mentioned that your daughter has autism. How's that been? Is it daughter with autism? Is that like, is that been tough? Like, what's that like? Where? (indistinct) - Yeah. - So. - You know, dude, I think, you know, like, raising kids just has its own challenges. Not, she's been fairly easy, right? So, I mean, that's such a broad spectrum. - Oh, for sure. - You know what I mean? - Especially people. - Yeah, you know, there's some kids who are just completely like non-verbal. Like that's not her case in production. So, you know, we got her some speech and therapy when she was real young, just help her communicate better. But outside of that, man, it's really not that bad. - No. - When she was younger, like most kids, maybe a little worse with her, like, you know, she might have some meltdowns here and there. And I remember one time we were at the Sky Zone and she wanted to do the trampoline where they hook you up with the bungees. But they had that, it was like written for a part. So, she could do it. So, she like wasps or shit. She wasn't very happy. And she was super young. She was probably. - Well, I think most three years. - I think most three years. - Exactly. - Was my kid with meltdown too? - Yeah, so she was pretty pissed. So, I mean, stuff like that, but as a whole, man, it's, sometimes I'm even hesitant to say she is off. - Really? - It's such a blanket diagnosis. - Yeah. - It's such a spectrum. - It's such a big spectrum, right? I think if anything, maybe they're classified as a plastic. - Gotcha. - But no, it's been fine. And, you know, I just, I think, especially when she was younger, I really dialed in. It's like whole foods, real foods, adding things in my clients, you can see. I think a lot of that had a big. So, yeah, I've always been, probably the good thing about doing sports that are very, like, weight-centric, where I have to focus on my weight is, it did take me down that path of just getting very deeper. Tricia. 'Cause like, you know, if you eat like shit and you go train, you're gonna- - You're gonna feel like shit. - Immediately, you immediately feel that. So, I've grown very, like, into my body, what I eat makes me feel. So, that just took me down the path of health very early. And I think that's probably not a lot, 'cause they both have pretty bad diets. - That's good. It's awesome. Are they close? Your son and daughter? - Yeah, yeah. So, because their mom and I are divorced, you know, they split time between our houses. So, they're always, for the longest time, everybody thought they're younger. - Oh, really? - Yeah. But not so much less. So, yeah. I mean, they're close. They get on each other's like, "This is right." But it's a wild ride, man. You know, the weirdest thing about becoming a parent is like, you know, when they're young, you know, you're like your best friend, awesome. And they listen to you. And then somewhere around, at least for me, I noticed the switches like middle school. Once they hit middle school, like they're (indistinct) Yeah, they start worrying about like friends and they start worrying about kind of like their place amongst their peers. And they look, they get a little more self-conscious. So, you see these people change. It's interesting. - And you always hear too. So like, I'm always confused, especially since you have a boy and a girl, but we both have two boys, you know, my kids are fucking wild, my boys are nuts. - Yeah. - And then I've got friends that have girls and like, "Oh my God, they're so great. They're so respectful and all that." And I'm just curious. Was it, has that switch? Like as your son's gotten older, is he got easier versus, 'cause you always hear like, "Hey, the boys get easier as they get older. The girls get harder as they get older." - Yeah. - And you've seen that or is it? - Dude, they've both been pretty easy. - Yeah. - The whole way through. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, he's always been very mature for his age. So he's always been a great help. Yeah, I haven't really noticed a huge difference. - Nothing. - Yeah. - That's good, yeah, right? - If anything, maybe her like, especially when she went through this kind of like, her puberty kind of space where, you know, hormones are going crazy. So like, there were some times where she was just super pee. I was like, "Fuck man." Like, everything is just like pissing you off right now. So, I mean, just kind of going through those early teenage years has been a learning experience. But, no man, I think where AJ is going now, is getting kind of, is because he's reaching the spot where, he's almost an adult as far as like, society's concerned. But it's like, don't you care, right? So, you know, he's a smart kid. He's a good kid, but, you know, he has some confidence. So it's like, you know, like bad decisions are very common. (laughing) So, you know, it's just a learning experience to where, you know, as like an apparent like, I have to just kind of start like letting go and make some things and stuff, but trying to keep those guardrails up. But eventually, you know, you transition from like being a parent is kind of being a guide to changes to transition. - And you're saying that's where you're at right now? - Yeah, I'm kind of moving towards that. 'Cause he's a junior in high school. So, I mean, he'll graduate next year and then, it's like, all right, dude. - College or what do you know? - Yeah, whatever, I think he wants to go to college, you know, if he wants to cool, not, I'm not like pushing them towards college. Like when we were graduating, it was-- - Where are you going to college? - Yeah, it's like, that's what you have to do. You have to go to college. You have to do this, this, and this if you want to be successful. But that's not really the case. Yeah, I mean, the amount of people of college degrees who are just serving, you know, they're bartenders or they're servers and so many. - Oh, yeah, I mean, I've got a college degree and I've never used-- - Yeah, I mean, I got my master's in healthcare administration. I do not use it. - Yeah. - So, yeah, so if he wants to do it, cool, we'll see. But yeah, it's just an interesting phase to come transition into. - Yeah, well, I heard a clip yesterday made me think exactly what you're saying. He was saying, you know, you've got 10 years where, you know, kids are going to be, you know, they're going to look up to you, they're going to be your best friend. - Yeah, I saw that friendship. - Yeah, it was a friendship. Yeah, it was a friendship. Yeah, and I was just like, it made me think of exactly the same. You got 10 years where they're going to, you're going to be kind of their whole world. And then, you know, when they get into middle school, they want to hang out with their friends. You're not, you know, the center of the universe. It's just got to be like a really, you know, hard transition for you as a parent, you know. - It's an interesting transition. - I mean, we're going to go through it, you know, one day. - Yeah. - 10 years ahead of us. - Yeah, I had a college professor tell me that, like you start off as like the smartest when they're young and then you slowly get dumb or dumb. By the time they're 18, I'm a person. Then it kind of bounces back. I'm smart again, you know, towards like, like 20s. I don't think they think I'm the dumbest person, but there's definitely times where you can just tell us, man, that doesn't know this time. But I just let it play out and it's like, oh, see, I told you, like that's what I just said was going to happen and it happens. So, you know, it's very, - It's fair, fuck around and we're going down, you know? - Yeah, like they'll learn. - Yeah, well, anything else you want to pitch while we got you here? - No, man. I really appreciate you guys having me on this phone conversation. - Absolutely, we like to end it with one last question and call it the tombstone. Realize Adam, what's the 10 or two stop? - Oh, that's a good question. I have no idea. So, I'm beginning to end it. I don't know. I don't really think about too much. Like, I've come to grips with death and I've come to grips with the idea that like, like once we die, I mean, eventually, like we're all kind of be forgotten. Like I want to leave a mark on this world, but I feel like we're going to be forgotten. So I don't really think about too much, but I'm going to say on the tombstone, what the legacy would be. I mean, that's kind of for other people to decide, (indistinct) - Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for paying attention to the episode. Please click that subscribe button if you haven't already hit that like button. 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