It's very overwhelming to deal with it all the time on a daily basis of what my stomach doesn't look like hers. Well, I can't run as fast as her. Well, I'm not. My relationship doesn't look like that. And you know, it's just content after content after content, and it just keeps getting, it seems to be getting worse. And I don't know how that's ever going to slow down either with all the different platforms out there that we're constantly scrolling. It's like we have to just have conversations like this to help people be aware of when it happens, you have to put a hard stop in place. Well, and I, this is something I've learned from myself because I literally have compared myself and had like poor me moments, hundreds of thousands of times in my life. Welcome to the health fix podcast where health junkies get their weekly fix of tips, tools and techniques to have limitless energy, sharp minds and fit, physiques or life. Hey, health junkies on this episode, the health fix podcast. I've got my two pals, Melissa Vogel and Dr. Annemarie Frankon. And we're going to be just chatting about health trends, things we're seeing with our clients, things that we just want you guys to kind of know about. And maybe we may inspire you to take some action or perhaps we may just give you a little blow down on what's going down in the world. And so I hope you guys enjoy this combo podcast. We're going to be doing these every so often because they're fun. And because I think having some more perspectives and just a conversation is fun. Join Dr. Annemarie Frank, Melissa Vogel and myself as we chat about trends, health and what we're experiencing too. All right. Come hang out with us. Hi friends, we are here as a group and we are going to be putting this out on three different podcast platforms, well, not three podcast platforms, three different podcasts. I'm Dr. Annemarie and I am the host of the Happy Whole You podcast. And I am Melissa Vogel. I am the host of the Bob Mom podcast and I'm Dr. Jeanine Kraus, host of the health fix podcast. And all of us ladies came together because of the algorithms and the universe just saying, hey, we need three amazing women to come together. And that is what has happened. We've all been on each other's podcast. And today we wanted to talk about things that we see in our professional lives that are trending. So for me, I'm a doctor of traditional naturopathy, have a holistic wellness center in Bakersfield, California. I'm a keynote speaker, author and podcast host. And so I'm going to share what I see in my wheelhouse and then Melissa. Yeah, I am a health and fitness coach. So I do a lot of the training physically, mentally, emotionally, all of it. I bring it all together. And the things that I'm seeing right now with my clients, it's unbelievable. It's kind of mind blowing. And I agree, I love that we're going to talk about this today and just share like our wisdom with every, with everyone and what we're seeing and then really help women feel validated and then like shut down the negative two of being like, Oh my God, I was thinking that or I do see that too. Yeah. Dr. Jeanine Krauss here, doctor of naturopathic medicine and acupuncture and also obviously podcast host and dabble in all things medicine. So many things going on and on my side because I work out of a practice that's in Tacoma, Washington. And so seeing on the GOP, one bad band wagon in the Olympics and all of that, I definitely have some things to weigh in on how this is all impacting us and where we're headed with health and how we can help you all survive the crazy. I mean, it really does take a village and this is what I love about all of us coming together is, you know, Dr. Jeanine, you have the whole medical background with combined with holistic and Chinese medicine, which is like, Oh my gosh, so great. And then Melissa, you're like, Hey, we're going to get fit, but we're working on your mindset at the same time, right? Like it's just like that mind, body spirit. And then I come in as, you know, jack of all trades, I feel like with like a gold and mindset and brain health. And so I feel like between the three of us, we could all solve each other's problems. You know, we could have ran for president, like all three of us together. Three heads, like we're just going to take over the world as one, as one. Oh my gosh. Okay. So before we got recording, we started talking about the things that we are seeing trending. And so Dr. Jeanine, do you want to jump in because your thing that you see trending is a huge topic when it comes to weight loss. And we're, Melissa and I are going to sit back and learn some stuff right now. Oh, I'm like excited. We're chatting about this before we hit record and I'm like writing it down and stuff like, yes, I want to know more about this, please. And I know my listeners will too. Yeah. Yeah. So the GOP ones, the Olympics, the majoros, the way Govees, the Zepbounds, whatever name is going on right now, there's so many, um, all these things people are asking for him, right? And, and they're asking because they're like, Hey, I've tried all the things. I'm going to use air quotes. Yeah. Yes. You are right. There's always more. But the truth is, is like so many people, I do feel for them. I know that they've put in a lot of work. Life is hard, right? You know, and I, and I even sometimes hate saying that because I, I think you, your life is what you make it. But at the same time we, we hear these, you know, you, we hear these statements, right? And sometimes you just got to go, okay, let me, let me help someone. Let me intervene with this. And let's see how we do the rules in my office. If you're getting a GOP one for me, you are eating your protein. You are working out, you're drinking your water. We're detoxing you because once you start losing that weight, you are not going to feel great. And they're not talking about the detox component of that. And that's what I think the ozempic button face are that's not, I don't think it's like as much muscle wasting per se as they're saying and blaming on that. That's anti-oxidant, you know, decline because your body's fighting really hard to deal with the right that are building up. And so there's that happening. But the last and most important thing, and this is where Melissa comes in. And Marie comes in because she'd have people write, you know, about what's going on in their minds. We are not addressing the mind part of this. And I get that it's the hardest part. And in my practice, I am not trained to deal, you know, we're trained as like to counsel and things like that as naturopaths, but I, I don't feel well versed enough. And I'll be honest, I have a lot of issues in, in my history about weight and eating and this and that. And I'm like, dude, no one wants me counseling them on weight loss. And so it's like, I want other people to come in and help. So the non-negotiable that I'm trying to work with folks on is like, we really need to look at like when you off this stuff, guess what's going to happen? All that stuff's going to, the food noise is going to come back. I've seen it when we pull people off of it already. This is, this isn't just like the miracle drug and everything's going to be fixed. It is not a fix. It is a band-aid get the weight down, but you got to work on your, you got to work on your stuff. And so this is the one thing that a lot of people I think are confused, they're looking at it as a magic and they're thinking like, no way, I'll have enough time without the food noise that when it comes off, it's going to be fine. Or I can micro-dose it to eternity, which you can. But the other issue back and forth with the FDA, is there a shortage? Is there not? And it's like freaking breaking Fort Knox to get insurances to cover this for people that need to just lose weight and they don't have diabetes. And I think we've, we've put out too much on there that like, oh, you can totally get it from your insurance. Yeah. And ask a doc that has to try to do the referrals for it. I'm like, it's impossible. So it reminds me like, do you remember when I choose the word popular, but do you remember when like getting your stomachs stapled and you know, the gastric bypass, like all of that was more popular, what? I don't know, like 15 years ago or so, I don't, I don't know, maybe not even that long. And it was, it reminds me of that because now what I see and everything that you're saying is like, okay, yeah, quick fix staple staple, but this wasn't fixed, you know, your head. And now I see people that they're like, yeah, you know, I had gastro done 10 years ago, and they're right back to where they were, or they're like very close and they're on that path. And they're like, but I don't get it. I don't understand. I'm like, whoa. And not to be cruel, but like you cheat it in a way. Well, I think my dad went and had gastric bypass. And so, I mean, I witnessed this firsthand and he has gained the weight back. But like with him, it's, he's never addressed the mental and emotional aspect, you know? And I, you know, sometimes we need a jumpstart, sometimes we need something and some people's jumpstart is literally gastric bypass or an overhaul, but it should be paired with the mental health support and behavior health changes. And I know that with insurance companies, they're supposed to take some classes and stuff, but it's not robust or anything like that. So I think to, you know, for women out there, you know, even men that are going the ozempic route, say you're on it, say you've lost the weight and you're feeling fantastic. If you haven't addressed the mental aspect of this, like just hire a coach, hire a Melissa, you know, get someone to help you with your mindset and you'll be better off for that. But I think a lot of times it's like, it's like chasing the carrot, oh, well, if I lose the weight, then I'll feel right. Exactly. If I could just lose the weight, it could just be thinner. If I could just fit those genes that I've been staring at that have been my cause since in high school. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why I started off as a personal trainer, actually as a group fitness instructor, then personal trainer. And one of the reasons that I veered away from that and started really developing into the nutrition and the mental health aspect is because I was realizing I was helping people lose weight, but they still weren't happy. And I think more people like Melissa are like, no, we're doing both now, which is great. And I was wondering though, Jeanine, like Dr. Jeanine, what is the advice and oat ozempic? What is that? Yes. What is that all about? What is this? What's happening here? Can you explain that to us? And, you know, if you want good entertainment as a, as a, you know, medical or fitness professional, just hang out on TikTok for like a couple of minutes, um, like all of the quick fixes, all of like the herbal medicine tweaks, I laugh like it's, you know, some are legit, but like some you're just like seriously. So oat ozempic is an oat drink that you drink to slow down gastric emptying, which oats do do that, no doubt, but like, why would you not just eat the oat meal because I'm pretty sure nobody ever became, you know, diabetic by eating oat mail, um, you know, so I'm like, well, I thought about that one, no one, no one that has gained a lot of weight got there because they ate oat mail. Um, and so that one was one. And then the rice epic is also a drink, but rice, when you like literally try to extract like, or taught up, which is, which is a typical traditional Latino drink, like there's higher levels of arsenic in these things because we're extracting what's in the rice and what's been hanging out in the rice. And so arsenic suppresses your appetite and as Dr. Henry mentioned, it is a neural toxin. These things like, I'm like, well, okay. So it works like that. And it can be effective, sure, but at what cost and why not just eat the food? Yeah. I like eating. It is nice. Yes. Protein fiber. Those are the two staples that we all need to eat more of. I swear. I know. And it's people say that to me all the time of like, they just, they're like, I just don't want to, I want you to tell me what to do. I just need like a quick fix. And I don't think people grasp the concept of how important it is to learn how to eat the right foods that you like, that work with your gut that's going to get you results, but also make you feel good and satisfied and full. And it's so sad, but that, I mean, honestly, it's one of the trending things that I see all the time is they're like, just give me me all plan. Now some people do need a kick in the butt. Yeah. Some people do need like, oh girl, you are a mess. You really don't know what to eat. And she's like, it's pizza healthy. And she's being serious. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. People. Okay. Let's give you some structure, honey. Yeah. But not for life. This isn't something I want you on for life. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And people do have a challenging relationship with food. Yes. I think that. I would acknowledge that. Yes. And I actually was just interviewing another woman who actually needs to go on both of your podcasts. She's fantastic. And her name is Jennifer Woodward, and we were talking about digestion. And digestion actually begins when you start thinking about food, which when you start thinking about food, saliva starts to increase in the mouth, your stomach starts to recruit these digestive enzymes, this whole beautiful symphony that happens. And then you eat the food and your body converts it and digest it and that's how it's supposed to go. But when we're like, oh, I'm going to eat that. Oh, no, I'm not going to eat that. Oh, maybe I should know, maybe that's going to make me fat. Your body's like, what are we doing here? What's happening? And then when you eat the food, even if it's decent food, your body doesn't process it and digest it as efficiently. And so we really need to work on mindful eating and having a better relationship with food. And I don't know at what point that we started viewing food as fat or skinny. Yeah. Because that's a huge mistake that we've done and demonizing food and good and bad. I had someone call carrots bad the other day and I'm like, yeah, I, again, I don't know anyone that got fat off of carrots and I'm like, why would you ever deny yourself such an amazing food? That grows from the ground that is chucked full of vitamins. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That bananas, you know, I mean, the whole glycine index thing, honestly, I look at it and I go, whoever created that. It's like the same person who created the scale, like people like, I don't know what you were thinking, but you, you, you created a monster. Let's put it that way. Like I'm sure you were well intended. But at this point, a lady's took it and then we just ran with it. I know. I know I'm the good and the bad and the more that we can disconnect that, like a food is bad for, and, or something is good, you know, and then people like they get so trapped in their head and they just twist it off and then they're, they're like, now food stresses me out, which it's interesting you say that, Dr. Anna, that like, that affects how you're breaking down food. It's just fascinating. Like your mind affects your gut. Yeah. Completely. And your gut affects your mind. So interconnected. They really are. They really are. So Dr. Janine, what, is there anything that you want to share with everyone about the ozum fig and all of that? Like, one, this is what you should be careful of, two, you know, what you could try maybe instead or say your insurance won't cover anymore and you're getting off of it. Like, what do we do here? Yeah. Yeah. The bottom line is old. It works, right? The, the people who are on TV are not, are not TV. I'm old school. Media to me is TV, IG of versions, but, but it, it works, right? It does. Do work. And there is a lot of benefit to, to helping get a kick in the pants or something started. But if you're coming off of it, you have to understand that what you just did was a Band-Aid. It is not fixing anything. So this is where like you had said, Dr. and Marie at, I mean, this is where we hire people like Melissa and we have someone actually looking at like, okay, who's the new you now, right? How are we moving forward? Because, you know, this is, this is, it's a Band-Aid. And that's the biggest thing I want people to understand is like it is a Band-Aid. And if you haven't done any detox work, and I'm talking cellular detox, if you've not sweated, you don't have a red light therapy, you didn't use St. John's ward is an amazing way to get stuff out of your cells. And some people can't use it because they're unpharmaceutical, other pharmaceuticals, but if you haven't, you want to be thinking about using, you know, that to get things further out of the cells in addition to your liver, you know, herbs and things of that nature. And I'm not talking like a columbal, low cat cleanse, I'm talking like, thank you for saying that. Yeah. We're not talking. We need people like Dr. Anne-Marie to take you through the cleansing part as you're working with Melissa. And now you've got it like perfectly dialed in there. And really the only other thing that I'd be saying about it is, is the component of how it impacts the thyroid, you know, how the, the contraindication is if anyone's had like thyroid cancer in the family, if anyone's with any thyroid stuff, you want to think about it. You really want to think long and hard because I haven't seen anybody go to thyroid cancer, but I have seen thyroid numbers shift. And you could say like, oh, someone's getting healthier and they're losing weight. Yes, but I've seen a couple weird tweaks that I haven't like seen anyone else map out or talk about that kind of worry me a little bit. And I think it has to do with the detoxing of the cells. And I think it's a cell detoxing. So that's the only other thing that I would be like, you've got thyroid issues right now. You might want to see somebody like Melissa, Dr. Henry, and, and work on the under, like let's work on restoring body health a little bit. And then if we can't get anywhere, then, yeah, another thing is too is like anything with like cancers and disease, it's not like it happens overnight. And we now have like, I know it was an fix been around for a while, but we've had like now this huge push of a mass group of people that are now on a Zen pick that weren't before. And I think I think it's like five, five point four years or five years and four months is on average what it takes a pharmaceutical company to come out and say, yeah, this causes blah, blah, blah. Or yeah, we made a mistake and then they get a slap on the wrist and, you know, but the damage has been done. So yeah, I think it's important just so we don't really know yet. We really don't know with mass people. Yeah. Yeah, taking it the effects, I don't know, yeah, we don't necessarily. I will say this in the fitness industry and I'm talking about bikini fitness like fitness shows and all that I have used the the GOP ones like for a while because they've been around in the research peptides site, you know, department as we would call them, especially like Larry Glutide in those. And so I have used them with those folks. I've not seen any negative outcomes, however, if I look at all the people I use them on and I look at their health now, this is a terrible, probably like you get to us eight, eight out of 10 people who do fitness competitions end up because they deplete themselves so much. They end up quite a bit overweight when it comes to three years after if they quit the cycle of doing fitness comps. And I have a I have one gal in my practice who like literally gained 200 pounds after a fitness comp and we still can't get it off. And and I say we because we've been, I mean, we've been working mindset. We've been working on different things. Yes, there's a lot there. She has a lot to work with, but this is what concerns me about it is back to the habit behavior routine mindset because I think that's the missing link at the at the end of the day. And so that was what I all I want to get out there on the on the far end of things because I've been using it for a while in fitness comp folks that that that is such an extreme. It's and everyone always asks me like, are you training for a competition? When are you going to take the stage? I don't think I ever will. I have no desire to take my body to that extreme. And I know myself in my past in my history with, you know, body image issues and things like that. I will forever compare myself to like, that's my peak and if I'm not there at that peak, then I'm not good. Like, and I don't want to see pictures of me ripped out of stage. And then four years later, I don't look like that, but I still look fabulous. But that's what I compare myself to, then my health and fitness at that level is not good enough. It's yeah. And women already do that when we're like, Oh, man, I was in college, you know, it's like, you know, it's that saying I've seen it a few times I should be like, Oh, yeah, I used to think I was fat back then, you know, like it's like, we just need to love our bodies today. Yes. Like no matter what, we need to love our bodies today. I mean, I know it took me giving birth to two amazing kids to really appreciate my body and the flaws, the scars, the whatever's, the jiggly parts like before that. It was like, I mean, I know I had body dysmorphia because I literally would look in the mirror and see something completely different. Now if I see a photo of me back then, I'm like, wow, you were incredible. But back then, I didn't think that, which is really interesting to me, you know, but yeah, it's like always chasing the carrot, like, when are you ever going to be good enough then? Yeah. Yeah. When do you hit that? You know, and while you're chasing it, you're just depleting so much self esteem and self worth and not even diving into like the nutrients, you know, and what you're doing to your chemicals and your hormones of just like never being good enough, never being satisfied and happy. Yeah. It's crazy. And that goes into Melissa, the comparison. We were the one of the trends, share with everyone what you've been seeing quite a bit of with your practice. Oh my God. I say it like comparison. It's the root of all evil. Yeah. I know that saying is like interchangeable with so many things, but man, comparison, I feel like is just killing females nowadays and I don't mean like literally, I just mean like our, our self esteem, our self worth, our energy, like how we vibrate like everything. It's bringing us down because we will see someone on social media. It's glued to that phone. It's destroying us. And we see someone and then we're like, Oh, well, I can't do that or I should be better than her. You know, I only have two kids and she's got five and she looks better than me. I am seeing so much comparison from woman, woman to woman. And we never know if that woman is in her chapter 10, you know, and you're just in your chapter one and we compare these chapters and I'm like, you don't even know what chapter she's in, but it's, it's real. And I do this too. Like I go into the gym and I'll see someone squatting next to me and I'm like, got my tens on and I'm only doing 45 pounds, you know, or 65 pounds because that's what my body and my back allows now. And I'm over that, but I'm like, she can live more than me, you know, and then I look at her and I'm like, okay, she's probably 20. Okay. She's probably never had any kids. Okay. She's also five foot four and I'm five foot nine. Okay. It's starting to make sense now. You know, and I tried to like rationalize it in my brain, but this just bombarding of like this, the images that we see all the time of just perfection and spray tan and filtered life. It's, it's killing us and I put a post out today. I made sure to do a post a day about me eating ice cream, ice cream on my counter of like that is real life, like it is okay to eat that. You don't have to live and eat perfectly to feel good and to be healthy. It's all about balance, but I want people to see that, you know, and I'm just, I'm very, it's very overwhelming to deal with it all the time on a daily basis of what my stomach doesn't look like hers, well, I can't run as fast as her. Well, I'm not, my relationship doesn't look like that. And you know, it's just content after content after content and it just keeps getting, it seems to be getting worse. And I don't know how that's ever going to slow down either with all the different platforms out there that we're constantly scrolling. It's like we have to just have conversations like this to help people be aware of when it happens, you have to put a hard stop in place. Well, and I, this is something I've learned from myself because I literally have compared myself and had like poor me moments, hundreds of thousands of times in my life. But one thing that I feel that has helped me really get through it and it's not completely gone is when we are in alignment with who we know we aren't meant to be and living in our purpose, it those comparison moments really are far fewer in between and fade pretty quickly. But I will say, I literally, I'm going to share a story with you guys that this is like so stupid, like looking back, but it was a girl. So I just took this course and I had like class like for three hours every week and there's some amazing women in that group and I reached out to some of them to see if they want to be on the podcast and found out some of them had a podcast and I was like, hey, let's do a podcast swap. You guys know how that goes, right? And one person in the group that I was doing this with that I asked was like, oh, I need to make sure I vet you. This is after we've been in the course for eight weeks. And you know, and I was like, okay, but she was already signed up to be on my podcast, which is fine. I don't bring people on my podcast just so I can go on theirs. It's not how I roll, you know, right. And so I was like, okay, yeah, I don't know how much more to vet me, but okay. And I literally when I found this out because my assistant told me I felt so small and actually embarrassed and that's my ego, right? And my assistant's like, she needs to vet you. I'm not sure what that means, but she's going to come on your podcast and I literally sat in my car and I started crying. I'm like, at what point, like, like, I don't know, like sometimes I just feel and that's like the younger little eight year old of me, you know, I'm not good enough. People don't like me. Like, when can I, you know, when am I going to have a turn to, you know, for people to see me for who I am, like all these emotions, right? And then what's crazy is so I sat through that, cried in my car and then I'm like, got focused on like what I'm doing in my life. I'm like, this is so silly. But then I was like, I got triggered again, like two weeks later because I noticed she had two other people from our group on her podcast. So I was like, this bitch, well, I was just like, oh my gosh. And I was like, I had to like for that initial moment, I had that sinking in my stomach, right? That's what I'm talking about where you feel like envious, jealous, like I'm not good enough. And then after I like saw it, I started laughing out loud. I made myself laugh out loud because I had to reprogram that wiring in my brain because it was like, girl, like I've had you two while my, I mean, I've interviewed so many amazing people on my podcast, I've met on amazing podcast, like everything is fine. But it's so interesting how we can get caught in those moments of comparison. And it's like, and it's, and I think the moments of comparison, or like, I think that's more of a rejection that I was experiencing that rejection is like, that is not my heart. I never want someone to feel like one, I don't have time for them or that, you know, I don't find value in their knowledge and who they are and witness what they do. So anyways, but the comparison thing is for all of us, even if we're living in our purpose and all that, it still comes up, but I'm telling you, it's way easier to get through when you're doing the things you say you're going to do and you're staying focused on your future self and who it is that that you're working towards. Can I just say bravo for crying in your car and feeling like seriously, you're like moving all of it. You allowed you some time in that space instead of just being like, no, this, this is stupid to dismiss, you know, cancel, like, yeah, grow up. I know I'm like, here I am, 42 years old, just crying in my car because someone rejected me. But you know, it's, that's life. This is emotions. That is life. No. And you used your, your growth and who you are and your knowledge and everything that you do to pull yourself out of that, you know, that's the important thing. And I love that message that yes, this, it even hurts us. I'm not wonder women were pretty spectacular, but like, come on, like we have feelings too, and this happens all the time. And you moved it. Like, what a powerful story. I love hearing that. I love hearing that you cried in your car. Well, and that's the story I told myself too, by the way, because who knows what her story is, right? Who knows? That's true. It's true. I always have to like think about that too when these things happen and like just, just to get back to the crying in the car, like best place ever. You know, I'm at a good, big crocodile to your cries, and like, yes, you know, but, but like, you know, like you said, you looked at it and you're like, okay, this is what's happened. It's my eight year old self, you know, and this is where so many women, if we just step back a second, take the, take the time to cry in the car. That's my, like, trying to cry in the car and then like, be like, oh, this is why this is happening. This is a lot. Yeah. The, the little, the more we could look within, the more we can really see like, oh shoot them. And instead of it being like them and me, it's like, why can't it be us? Right? Like, that's the other thing is like when we look, even to people that like you, we could all look like we're kind of in competition with each other. Right? I'm going to use that like very loosely because I look at like, I look at it as we should be in collaboration over competition every day of the week, but we live in a culture that's like competitive, competitive, competitive. And so it's like, when we can come together and actually lift each other up and share our knowledge, because listen, I'm not for everyone, right? Melissa, you're not for everyone, Dr. Janine, you're not for everyone. Like we get that and we don't want to be like, I don't want everyone to be my customer, because that's, and everyone's not going to want to be my customer. I want like the people that are going to actually take the things that I bring to them and take it all the way. Give me 10 people like that versus, you know, 500 people that come and go as they please. Like, I want to create those relationships and go deep with people. And I think that that's really important to think about and find those people that you can go deep with. Mm hmm. And then share them. Yeah. And then continue on, like just kind of writing on the coattails of that of like, that's why I love having people like you guys on the podcast, because I'm like, I am not everything. You need to go work with her and continue this journey with her, and then you need to go work with someone with Reiki and energy, and then you need to get this tested. Yeah. And that's, that's a beautiful thing. I know people might listen to that and go like, Oh my God, but this is so much like I'm so overwhelmed. Do I really need to do all of these things? Can I just eat chicken and get on my treadmill every day? Unfortunately, the world that we live in and the toxic soup environment that we just swim in every single day, no, we, we are in a position now that we have to look at all of these different areas of our life. And thank God we have technology to connect us with other people. And God, that we now have all this knowledge and are open to learning about our energy, you know, and how we vibrate and connecting with other people. I don't, I don't look at it as, look at it as so many things that we have to do. I look at it as like, Oh my God, no, tell me more. How out, what else can I do to live my best life ever? I want to do all the fun things. All the fun things. So, so what type of advice do you guys have for people that are in that comparison arena? Like, what are some tips to like work through that that you have? Man, I mean, car cries. Step one. Yeah, shower cries. Those work as well. Math room, like, you know, anytime you can get walks, I've had some really good cars on walks as well. While swimming because people can't tell that's another one, you're swimming, sort of thing. But really, it's, it's letting it out, but then finding a tribe, that's kind of where I found the most, like, healthfulness, like, hey, do you ever think about this? And like, it's good for me to hear you guys talk about it too, because we all do the comparison game and we do it in different ways. And having your ladies that you can be like, Oh, did you ever have this where like, you know, someone, someone got their new car and they put it on social media and I can't get a new car right now. So, like, does that ever happen? Or, you know, I mean, it's all kinds of things. Right. Like, you know, having your tribe. That's one of my other big things. And journaling, like, like you had said, like, what, what are you, what's bringing up? Like, I think for me, the biggest thing that's happened in, in my transformation of being like a very, like, closed off doctor to now, like a more awake doctor is writing down, like, Oh, I saw that girl on Instagram who had lost, like, 40 pounds. And she's super ripped and she was doing all these cool calistatic things. And I can't do all that and she's like 60 and I'm 46. And this isn't cool. And you know, where am I going to start to be able to do this? So once you start yourself spiraling on these thoughts that are a little bit weird, maybe or a little bit into me, I'm gonna say weird, um, then you write it down and you go, what, what is this? What is it? And taking the time to slow down and ask what it is. That's what I'll say. That's. Um, mine is like, figure out the facts, find the facts in that situation, like me squatting next to a girl next to it. That is one thing that like, helps me like, okay, how old is she, like, how do you think she is? Okay. Again, I'm just figuring out what chapter she's probably in. And kids, you know, height, age, weight, you know, like all of the things, those are kind of facts. I'm five foot nine. I'm not a small fry, you know, I had three large babies, I'm not in my 20s like, okay, all of these things that those are facts, finding facts and situations always help. Um, also, no, what are your goals? Like, what are you working towards? And that could be with motherhood, like, or anything, like you see a mom that's always has a warm treat made for her child at home every single day. And then you look at that and you're like, oh my God, well, I'm a bad mom now. I don't, I don't provide that and you're like comparing. Okay. But is your goal to be at home every day at three o'clock and to do that, to work on that? Or is your goal to get as much work as you've done before, five before dinner so you can be there to make dinner and be present for the rest of the evening? Like, what, what are you working towards? And I love that because it goes into, it goes so hand in hand with fitness too. Like, if I look at someone who I know a friend who is competing, like she and I see her stuff and I'm like, Oh my God, you know, she is competing. She worked on that. That's her goal. My goal isn't to get on stage. My training isn't going to look at her. So it's like Melissa, come on the fuck down because like, that's not your goal. So why are you getting mad and comparing and jealous over what she's doing? That's her path. Yeah. That's her. So yeah, find the facts. Know what your goal is. Yeah. Absolutely. I always say it's like you bottom line it because we always make up the story around things. Like the whole story of what I made up was that I'm not good enough and I have to be like vetted and like, like I'm a nobody. And then it's like, that's not true. All she said is she needs to vet me to decide if she wants to bring me on the podcast. That's it. Uh huh. Like, that's literally what happened. And I made it mean all of these things, right? And we do that all the time. Like we always do that. So I would encourage anyone that's out there that you're upset about something and like literally go in and bottom line it. The facts are what really happened, not the story that you're making up. And when you can like bottom line it, you can like literally we can laugh at ourselves be like, yeah, and I made that mean everything until I was eight years old, you know, not that it doesn't discount how it makes you feel, but it helps you get to the other side of that. Yes. Out of the limbic brain, into the prefrontal cortex. And then it's like, okay, now I can move through this, which is really helpful. Mm hmm. Oh my God. I love us so much. We have a lot of answers. So many. I'm telling you, we can be president together. Mm hmm. The trifecta. That would be terrifying though. Oh my gosh. Yeah. The other dignitary situation of us show up is like Charlie's Angels here to serve. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Sorry. Oh. I think we can handle it. We can figure it out. Yeah, we can do it really good. Yeah. I have confidence in us a lot. Absolutely. Okay. So one, we need to quit comparing to if we're on a weight loss journey, we have to work on our mindset as just as much as the weight loss. Anything else that you guys come up for you? The only other topic that I wanted to just make sure we brought up, because this is another thing that I see often is we shrink. It's a big thing. Sister. Oh. Preach. Right. And like, it looks so different. It really can like rear its ugly head in so many different ways, like just not setting up clear boundaries, not having crucial conversations with your partner or your spouse when you need them to show up and make dinner tonight, because you have to have this done or like, Hey, I need you to take over this for three nights a week or whatever that is, whatever that looks like. That's a form of shrinking. Yeah. That's the boundaries, not having hard conversations, not telling grandma and grandpa to don't bring pizza over every Friday night. I don't need it. And we're like, Oh, well, I don't want to hurt their feelings. Look how small you just got. Yeah. I swear to God, I could give like 30,000 examples of how we shrink and a lot of women just think that and they hear shrinking and they're just like, Oh, I just, I didn't speak up. Right. It means when I don't speak up for myself. No, no shrinkage allowed things to when you don't show up at the gym and you're like, I swear I'm going to start today and then you don't show up or women who like join one of my boot camps or something. So I'm going to do it and then they don't your shrink that's shrinking. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it goes back to like doing the things you say you're going to do having integrity. And if you break your promise to yourself, like you're not having integrity with yourself, that is like first and foremost, like detrimental to your self confidence. And then also, I think a lot of times people shrink, like you said, and don't speak up because they don't know how to communicate effectively because if you grew up in a household where it was like whoever got to the highest octave won the conversation, like you will avoid having conversations that feel like you think in your head, this is going to be hard when really it's, we, it's not necessarily hard. It's just you, it's hard for you to find the words in a way that doesn't create anger, resentment, yelling, right? So like the grandma, it's like grandma, I love you so much. I love that you come to the house and we get to spend time together and you always bring pizza. Can we come up with something a little bit healthier for you to bring because I love that time we have together, right? So it's that reframing as the conversation, but yeah. So I think a lot of times we're shrinking because we don't have the words. We don't have the confidence. And it's almost like we need permission to just like be the badasses that we are. Mm-hmm. I would agree on that. I would agree on that. I, I grew up in a family where like instead of the highest octave, it was like everybody just avoided. Yeah. Walk out of the room. Like, but it was like, there's no problem here. I'm going to go work out. We'll see me till the end of the evening. You're going to be in bed already. I mean, like everyone dispersed, right? And so I think for a lot of people too, it's that avoidant, you know, personality too, where they, they just avoided and if they don't want to go to the gym, they can't feel the feels. They're just like, out. I know I did that for years. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I would shrink that way. And just avoid. Yeah. Yeah. And then they won't like shrinking also is not hiring, you know, your trainer, not hiring your mindset coach, not the doctor, because you feel like something's going on and you're just avoiding it. So I love Dr. Jean, that you brought up the avoidance because that too is big one. Big. Yeah. And I'm going to do it a lot more. In terms of my practice, men versus women, I feel like women do it more. I don't know. What do you, what do you see in terms of practices at, at, at your guys' state of the game? Well, yeah, 100% more women, 100, but like, yeah, definitely more women do it. And it, I think it goes back, you had brought up the eight year old little you before and I think it all so much goes back to like what we learned when we were kids. And what was programmed in us and girls were just taught differently. You know, if we spoke up, we were complaining and whining and nagging, you know, and I know I was told that I was always told like I was too loud and to sit down and you're complaining again. And, and so that always made me be like, Oh, okay, I'm sorry, I'm just going to go into the background so no one can see me. But yet my brothers were praised for being tough, talking, you know, getting in a fight and standing up for themselves, being a man, I'm like, I want to be a man. Maybe a man. It's just, it, yeah, I think a lot of the program goes hand in hand with it too. But I do, I have known men that shrink as well, they just, it just looks so different. It looks so different. But I think too with men, and I'm from like the professional arena, like they're wired differently. Like, for example, when I was in my 18 year career before I left to just focus solely on happy hole you and all the things that I do, I'll never forget it. I was in a car with my boss at the time and I had my side business going on. And I remember he started to like lay into me about, well, what is it that you want? Do you want this? Do you want this? Like you have the six figure income, you have all of these things, you have health insurance. Like, or do you want this little thing that I know you're doing on the side? And what was crazy is like, I got really small in that car. And I was like, well, you know, I really, I do love my job and I want to keep this and blah, blah, blah, blah. When I knew in my soul, girl, you better fricking go, right? But I got really small and what's interesting is like, I live in America number one. I can have multiple businesses. I can have a W two job. I can do whatever I want, but for whatever reason, and men do it all the time, it's like I got small and thought, oh, I have to choose either or in it. You don't have to choose either or. And interestingly, another story was in this course I was just taking. This lady was like, yeah, I want to put this stuff out on LinkedIn that I'm doing this, that I'm doing this public speaking. And she's like, but I'm worried about, you know, what my job might say that I'm doing this as well. And so how should I go about this? And I'm like, I guarantee you, this is me raising my hand. I guarantee you, no man is out there not going to put up a post on LinkedIn about how they do workshops. And they're a speaker because they have a W two job. They're not. It's just, I don't think that that's happening at the rate of women, like it's like either or oh, I need to be a stay at home mom or I need to be a good mom or have my career. You can have both. It's not easy. I'll tell you right now. Sometimes I feel like I'm failing to some other sometimes I feel like I'm failing my business. I mean, let's be honest, but like if you want it, like go for it, but we shrink in the professional arena like no other. And I mean, me personally, I'm trying to really step outside of that. And even with my speaking, I'm asking for the same conversation that they're paying men to come in and do workshops and speak, you know, but yeah. So how have you guys that shrunken your own professional careers and you share a story, please? Because I just shared was very vulnerable. I love that. Hmm. What comes to your mind, Janine? I'm trying to think of my, in like my career specifically. Oh, man, I mean, I could go with a lot of examples. I think I've shrunk a lot, especially in the last couple of years. I'm really, I will, I'll be honest, like in the last year, I've kind of had more of an awakening of like what I really want to do because I didn't, I, I got really tied into like I'm helping people, right? And at the expense of like everything. And for me, I kind of went to this, this like, well, you know, it's best if I keep helping these people. I don't want to leave a particular practice because, you know, I'm into coma part time, you know, I was like, I don't want to let these people down, right? And, but I do have this other side thing online going on, right? And which one, which one tastes priority? Which one do I put here, you know, and what are they going to think of me? What are they going to think of me? If I start, you know, if I get rid of insurance and do cash pay, what does, what's going to happen? And so I shrink in the department of what are people going to think? And it comes in very multiple varieties of, of how it plays out. So that's one of mine, it's always what will they think? And to what I've also found, and I was joking with you guys, I put on my ring to be slightly girly because part of me has always been a tomboy. And I really, yes, I like being a tomboy. Yes, I like my fitness kind of vibe clothes, but I'm about to get in Dr. Anne Marie's jacket, which is going to graduate, which I haven't done things like that before, right? I have a history of being very tomboying and not showing parts of me and, and, and things that are fitting. And, and also that goes back to what are people going to think of someone going from yoga pants, or like literally you guys were joking with Lulu lemon, I, I'm more athletic and baggy athletic. So what are, what are, what are people going to say if I start wearing form fitting things? And I put on jewelry and makeup, makeup, oh my gosh, what if you were makeup? What would they say? Like I took a big leap, like, Oh, it was like 2017, I dyed my hair for the first time and it was like platinum blonde and loved it. And I want to go back to it right now. I live in a house where we can't, um, it's got hard water and we don't have a good water softener yet. So the, my person who does my hair was like, your hair is going to be banana yellow. Don't do it. And so I feel like I've lost like that was my little piece of girly and then I'm trying to get that back, but it's still like what are people going to think? Mm hmm. Yeah. So then you shrink and you stay where you are and you stay safe. You know, I love these conversations. And I have very much struggled over the last seven years, probably a real good seven of just rediscovering myself after my divorce because I shrank in that marriage so much. And the moment I got out my business boomed, I started a podcast. I discovered who I was for the first time in my life, um, but I also was told so many times, like about my back, if I put a video up of me doing like pull ups or like a lat pull down work shows you're like your back, I get more comments on that of like, Oh my God, that's disgusting. Oh my God, your back is so big and I'm not even that big. I'm not, I'm not even that big. And then I was also told like, Oh, you should never wear a halter top. You only have to wear something with like really skinny straps or something because no one likes a big broadened shoulder. Oh yeah. I want a woman that has a big back. Yeah. And that's stuck with me. And so I would minimize my training on my back or like, I'm like, you know how hard I worked to do pull ups and I, I shouldn't do them like, and I would, and I would, I would wear certain things or not. I wouldn't take my shirt off in the gym. And I completely have tried to unwrap that because I haven't my head, like who wants a woman like we men want someone that's like small and 18 cute and like, well, that doesn't mean I'm working on it. I'm working on discovering my femininity too, but that it, I think it altered my training too. I think it like, I don't know, I didn't grow in all areas and I've learned so much over the last few years that if you are stuck and you try to cap yourself in one area of your life, it caps and makes you stuck in all areas. Even if you think that's not true, no, you have a crappy relationship. You are going to keep showing up to the gym crappy. You are going to struggle with money and finances and, and your health and your gut and like everything, everything is going to come to a halt and be like stuck in one area. And if you shrink, you're shrinking everything. Yeah. Yeah. I think to the way we know we're shrinking is when in our gut, we know we, we want to do something different. Yes. Like, I think that's like the check in with yourself, like, am I shrinking? Because there are times when we can step aside to let someone else have whatever is, right? So we purposely step aside to highlight or sacrifice our, I know, like, even with my children, you know, there's some sacrifices that are made, but there's a difference between sacrifice and shrinking who we are. Yes. And I think that that's a, a fine line and you really need to like, oh, look at that, but trusting your gut, trusting that soul, that instinct, because that is something like if we go to the gut instinct, like, we, we can't lose, but we've been trained to just not listen to ourselves and to let the outside world influence everything. I know. Yeah. I hope everyone listening, like, I just picture like the mom in the car, like, like this business woman driving to work and she's just like listening to us and going, Oh my God, I do that. Okay. I have awareness around this. And then just hearing other women talk about it and that, that awareness, right? That's step one, step one, everything is having awareness and like admitting like, Oh my God, I do this. Oh my God. I do look this way or I do feel this way or I do have that feeling deep in my gut. I'm who, you know, Dr. Annemarie is talking about. And then once you have that awareness, you can start to make changes. And I hope that this episode just brings that awareness and just makes it like these light bulbs go off for people. That's my hope. Yeah. And not judging yourself from it too, right? Like so there's an awareness piece and then not judging yourself and beating yourself down being like, Oh, hooray, I realize I've been shrinking. Okay. Now, what do I get to choose to do differently? Or what do I choose to bring into my life? What do I choose to let go of in my life? So I'm not doing this as much anymore and taking those small steps to become that person that you know, deep down, you're supposed to be becoming the key, the key word you said was choose. Yeah. Use it. It is a choice. Look at me. I got my pen in my hand. Again, I'll point you with that pen and point into people, but it is. Once you have the awareness from that moment on, now you get to choose, you either choose to stay or you get to choose to be active and move. Now you choose path A or path B. And again, whatever path you take that that's your choice and you're choosing and let go of shame and guilt because a lot of times there's not a right one and a wrong one. Yeah. And just because you choose something one time, does it mean that you can't choose something different the second time? Oh, that's all or nothing, mentality. I'm so a big fan of trying stuff on and, you know, see if it works for you. See if it doesn't, you know, and definitely with with career and business and going from, you know, dock of one, you know, aspect to now I'm transitioning much more to the spirituality, the like, woo, a little more woo, like acupuncture to my Midwest family was woo, but now I've gone like, I got, I got the chance I didn't show you this. There's something called the love tuner on. It's every word. What? Oh, is that you blow into it? Yes. We got to get this sigma, sigma on Berg. You guys, we got to get him on your podcast. This thing is like a little, it's like a little thing you blow, it's like a little harmonic. I don't think it comes around zoom, but like, can you hear, does it come through? Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. It's like 528 Hertz. Anyway. That's a heart of love. Yes. Yes. That's the first thing of my neck. I'm like, I'm blowing on it and like, I'm like, I'm getting in the woo, my dad. I have no idea. What does it do? What do you mean? Like, so you blow it and you're just bringing that into your life, like, yeah, the frequencies, the frequency. But like, what it also does is like, say someone does, is not good at exhales. You can blow and make your exhale longer, cause you're blowing into the thing. Right. Right. Right. You're like playing an instrument and you can like, like, you can feel it. Like, I feel it. Like, and it also is like, like, Dr. Narsi, it's like, go into it. Like she was saying, it's going, it's the heart thing. And that's why it's called the love tuner, but like, yeah, I, that's cool. I'm like getting way woo, but like, yeah, I was wearing it this morning. My dad's like, I don't know why you're, I'm like, dude, you have no idea. And I don't care. You're eating. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And the other cool thing about that actually is when we exhale or like we blow into something or we hum, it activates your vagus nerve, which calms that autonomic nervous system. So it's, it's actually, that's a great device. I love that. Yeah. We'll connect you to with him. He is so chill, love it. Like the whole like one lot, like, Oh, I love the whole like vibe. It's good stuff. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I love that. All right. Before we wrap this up, what do you guys want to leave the listeners with? Oh, me, it's choose you, choose you, stop shrinking, stop comparing. You have all of this amazing knowledge that we brought to you today. This conversation, this energy, this level. And I just want everyone to stop and go, you know what? Once and for all, you know what I am worth it. I can make changes. I can put tools in my toolbox. It's not going to be perfect. They're going to be messy, but I'm going to get as much support and tools that I need thrown in that box, carry it with me and then just pull out whenever I need it. And I just, I think we all need to be reminded that it's, it's okay to pick you, especially a female in this day and age. It's okay to pick you because then you are better for everyone else kind of going with your whole line. Happy you, call me you the word is you. And that is important. That's my message. And Melissa, how can people find you and work with you? Yes, my website is it's Melissa Bogle, fitness.com. And then if you're interested in like my speaking engagement and all that stuff, it's just it's Melissa Bogle.com. Awesome. Thank you. All right. Dr. Janine. Oh, I'm going to piggyback on, yeah, choose you. And I'm also going to say don't be afraid to try out different versions of you because that's kind of what I've learned in the last couple of years is dabbling in different things and trying things on and being like, do I like this? And does it fit and not being afraid to be like, Oh, that didn't work. I'm going to, I'm going to pivot to the next thing or I'm going to pivot to the next thing. So be flexible, try on different use and always, yes, choose you. And you can find me at dr spelled out J, carry us E and D.com. And then of course, the podcast is the health fix also found at the same website and on Instagram, I'm usually doing some kind of fun stuff. And that's at dr Janine J and N N I N E cross carry us. Yeah. I didn't even say my Instagram or my podcast. We'll put it all on the show now. So everyone can just go and click away. Um, yes, I love it. And yeah. And you guys, um, Dr, and we're on insurance, uh, dr dot Anna two ends with an A dot Marie. And also my company is happy whole you on Instagram as well. Uh, yeah, so you can go to the website too and check out ways that we can work together. And I am taking on for 2025, I am taking on four one on one clients, um, that want coaching. So this is more executive level mindset coaching. And so I'm opening up my calendar for four more. And then I do keynote speaking as well. So if you are in an organization, you bring in speakers or, you know, whatnot, then I'm your gal. Maybe. I don't know. We might be good. You have to tell people about your Sundays that you have at your office because they adore watching everybody together and having fun. And I'm like, I wish I had a physical location like that where I could get like a tribe together of people hanging out. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's incredible. So at happy whole you here in Bakersville, California, we do these things called Sundays for the ladies and women come in and they pretty much do all sorts of the therapies that we have here. We have mocktails, small bites to eat, uh, we do cold plunge together. We sit in front of the bio charger and we just walk around with, you know, robes on and slippers and it's, it's fantastic. It's like the one thing I love about happy whole you is it's not like, I don't want to say snooty because I mean, I love myself a nice spa, right? But do you know, you go to a spa and it's nice and then you spend like $300 on a 60 minute massage and then you're like, okay, I mean, it was nice. But like we bring in that connection piece, right? Like, I want to spend a day where like, yeah, I can go into a room and have my own time to myself, but then I can like come back out and just like either take an app or chill or vibe with other people. Um, so I don't know, it's, it's an incredible, um, experience that we provide here. And I love, I love that you do that. That's amazing. I know we should, we should do one where we all get together. I will gladly fly to California for that. So, yeah. And spas your right, like having owned one myself, like it's, it definitely isn't the same as like having the connection and like the actual therapies versus like you go get your massage, you get your foot, Rob, you get, you know, it's cooler. Her place is so cool. I've been there. Oh. How far, how far are you from, from Melissa from doctor? How long did it take me? Three hours? Yeah, maybe three hours. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. She was on one of our, um, the mindset and fitness panel that we did here. So it was pretty awesome. I'll fly out for a Sunday for the ladies. You all have to let me know. Oh my gosh. Yeah. We'll plan it. We'll plan it. Let's do it. Let's do it. I love it. Well, ladies, thank you so much. Um, so I'm Dr. Anna Marie, host of the happy, whole you podcast, Melissa Vogel, host of the bomb mom podcast, Janine Kraus, host of the health fix podcast. We will see you all on our platforms. Thanks, everyone. Hey, fellow health junkie. Thanks for listening to the health fix podcast. If you enjoy tuning in, please help support me to get the word out about the podcast. Subscribe, rate and review and just get that word out. Thanks again for listening. (upbeat music)
