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Car Doctor Show 7-8-24 Hemi and Windsor engine firsts w Marcus, Jarhead's NASCAR rants, oil pressure
It's the car doctor with Kevin Langwinkle and Tom Klexton on FM Talk 1065. Call Kevin and Tom now at 3430106 with your car maintenance and repair questions. The doctor is in. Well, a lift can tuck you back in '49 and want to meet you all working on a simply line. The first year they had me put my wheels on a Cadillac. Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by and sometimes I'd hang my head in price. Because I always wanted to be one that was long and black. And welcome to the car doctor show, this is car doctor Kevin Langwinkle, long time. Klexton, you have any questions? Give us a call or send us a text 3430106. The show is brought to you by U-Day Chevrolet, serving mobile since 1939. Alabama pipe and supply and it's seafood shed. I had to have it as seafood shed and I was just on the phone, you know how I am. I always got an iron in the fire, I was just on the phone with that fabulous lady, Mr. Barbara, one of the original owners and the founder, the co-founder of Ed's Fantabulous. Yeah, she's a precious lady, brother, he had been a little sick there, but he's come back strong, he's kicking and growling, so I'll call her back after I get off the air. There you go. Well, good. I hope everybody had a good 4th of July. It looks like we got a collar on land, but hey, hey, hey, call are you with us? Yes, sir. I'm always with you. Always, always. This is Marcus. This is Donut, man. Donut, man. Donut, man. All right, all right. I had to be part of the Donut factory. There you go, there you go, there you go. Well, the nut factory one, I don't know which one. Well, no, wait a minute, I saw a sign on my email today from a sign maker and he was making a sign about the, you'll see the Donut man up front. And I thought, oh, Marcus has got signs being printed now. Maybe I need to do something. There you go. There you go. But then I read it a little bit more and it had, it was the guy that's out there and I believe he's a children's in the airport and every day, especially every morning and he sells a bottle of water, I think for a dollar and he's got donuts that he's selling and that's his living. And he's making a living. If you do that on his off days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's out there every day though. He's out here too. Yeah. That's why he makes his living. Yeah. Right across the street is the Donut place. Am I correct? Well, those guys don't have time to stop and get donuts. No, I mean, it's actually, I think, it's a deal crash. Yeah, that's it. That's a cylinder. Yeah. Yeah. This is their part. Yeah. Is that legal? I don't know. I know that when we had a, well, when we did solicitations there for the Marine Corps League detachment, we had to go to the city, down the city hall and we had to pay for a permit and our permit only lasted us so many hours. Now, so, well, so he probably has got some kind of permanent deal that he's got some kind of license for, but I don't think they would just let him do that arbitrarily without some kind of license. Well, he's got a question, y'all. How much cut of a paid does the Donut place give him the sale they donut? Oh, did he give, oh, I don't know. But I imagine he's selling him, sure, sure, and I'm sure he's getting them cheaper than you would if you just drove up and went inside and bought one box because he's buying them. Well, yeah, he's probably got an order for 40 or 50 boxes or 50 dozen every morning. It'll be my luck. I don't sell at once. I'm doing it. I couldn't give him away. I imagine he'd be want to stick around and eat some donuts, please. Let me just say this real quick. I got some from licking good Donuts before, and I'm not promoting them, but it was pretty good. They say they have some real good doers. Yeah, this place, this place over there. Oh, yeah, I really don't remember, but I know it's over there. We're tracks tired. I used to be called tracks tired. It's a Mavis tire now, I think. That's right. Next order to that. Everybody had a good full for July? Oh, yeah, I'm still here. Can't complain. Still here, brother. Hey, Tom, did you make contact with that guy I was telling you about? I called him twice, and he hasn't graced me with a return phone call. Okay, I called him. Okay. What year did they put the biggest GM motor in a car, and what car was it? Oh, I'm going to say 73 Cadillac, 565 Corvette. What size was that now? That wouldn't have been the biggest 1965 Corvette, put the biggest GM motor in the car. Well, that would have been a 427, but the biggest, and actually, the 70 model Chevelle had a 454, and it was a 450 horse, and that was the biggest horsepower number that they had put out up to that point, including the Hemi motor. Well, the Windsor motor, it was actually what they call it, and they had the Windsor is actually the Ford, yeah, the Chevelle motor wasn't, but it had some Hemi hits on it, didn't it? Ford, the 429, they built the 429, and that 409 had some Hemi look at heads on it. Yeah, they were odd covers, yeah, they were odd, but really, the biggest, the largest displacement production motor was Cadillac with the 500 inch motor. Yes, 500 cubic inches. That was a mid-70s, yeah, it was a smooth run of motor though, it was pretty tough, and it was a tough motor, yeah, it made a ton of torque, but it didn't make a lot of horsepower. I have not seen a bunch of them on the highway, before I got blind, I never did see that. They're making a turn around, they had gotten kind of down there for a while, but they've kind of started to draw an attention of the younger yuppie crowd. Well, let me ask a question here, didn't Cadillac, our General Motors make an engine that they put into Cadillacs, that had movable cylinders that was on gaskets in the bottom of the block? Well they had, what did they call it, well they had their 4100 Cadillac motor that they had all kind of issues with it. Right, yeah, and it was actually, instead of the cylinder being cast into the block, and a solid deck surface on top, it actually had little towers that they pressed sleeves into. When that was in '87? I'm going to say it was, this was somewhere around the early '80s, '81, '82, '03, somewhere in there. Yeah. Well that's when Cadillac started going down here a little. Yeah. It's all going down here real bad. Yeah, it was a bad motor. Well, you couldn't keep the, you couldn't keep those head gaskets on them. No. And they leaked water real bad. They figured out that that's- I had an '87 Cadillac Coupe de Ville, but if that thing stayed in the shop. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well you know, and that's what happened to the sales of Cadillac, you know, for a while there. '87 Coupe de Ville. Yeah. I was on the Coupe de Ville de Ville. You were there. You were the Cadillac man. No, no, man. No, man. That was big dogs. What did you say? I had a long hair and wore a hat with a feather in it. Not that. Yeah. I had a leather vest with some leather boots. Yep. I fell in love with that car. Oh, I fell in love. Well, there's some fine riding automobiles. Oh yeah. They're nice. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, they had the wheelbase and it had the luxury undercarriage and all of it. Yeah. Yeah. But they did not do good with this. No, no, they didn't. I don't know the man. No. I'll tell you one of the- That's the guy I'm going to sit in and draw my show. Okay. Well, we get a lot, a lot of calls tonight about car problems. Hey, man. Hey, man, brother. Thank you. Thanks, sir. Tell my, I'm going to call that guy and see what's there. All right. Do that, brother. Good to talk with you again. That's it. Talk to y'all soon. All right. Okay. Thank you, sir. All right. Good to hear from you. But I'll tell you when we're talking about the earlier Cadillacs, one of the quietest and smoothest driving cars I think I've ever been in was a '81 or '2 Cadillac Deville. That was originally built with the diesel motor. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. And that motor gave up, like all of them did, and put a gas burner motor in it. Yeah. You shut the door on that thing. It's like you're in a vacuum. Oh, I know. You couldn't hear nothing. Well, you know what? That would have to do with the fact that being a diesel to start with, it had extra insulation. Well, that's the thing. Everything on it was insulated double. Trying to keep the diesel rattled out, you know. And now I get a cylinder with swapping holes. Yeah. You took that car and you put a gas burner in it, and it was all kind of fun. Oh, of course. It was a dreamboat, man. Yeah. A lot of people did that. Yep. Anyway, it's now like it's time for us to take a break. We're going to let you hear from our sponsors, and we'll be back. I got me ten forward gears on a George Overdrive. It's the car doctor with Kevin Ray-Winkle and Tom Klexton on FM Talk 1065. Call Kevin and Tom now at 3, 4, 3, 0, 1, 0, 6 with your car maintenance and repair questions. The doctor is in and welcome back to the car doctor show. This is a car doctor along with this car doctor Kevin Ray-Winkle along with Tom Klexton. I'm getting my tongue tied up here. There you go. If you have any questions, give us a call or send us text 3, 4, 3, 0, 1, 0, 6. But it looks like we do have a couple of callers on mine. Call me with us. Yeah. Now, which one are you going for? You. Hey, you know, maybe we can get that guy that's flippling them donuts and water. We can get him to hook up with that guy that's been on I-65 and Dolphin Street forever. Maybe he can get him a job selling them donuts and water. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, he'll take a cut in pay. Right. Right. That's probably right. It'll turn into work, man. No. We don't want to do all that. Yeah. You know, I saw a guy interviewed about two long ago and the guy says, "Well, look." And he said, "I'll get you a job," he said, "about $15 an hour," and he says, "Well, no." He says, "I'll lose money." He says, "What do you mean?" He says, "Sometimes I'll have $500 a day." Yeah. Now, maybe I need to go start staying out there with a flound or something. I know, don't you know? Yeah. But I owe it to Pensacola. They sit in lawn chairs at the intersection. They don't even get up unless you go, "Hey, boy. I'm over here and get you some money." Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm going like, "Now, that's the damn high school ages if you've ever seen it." Yeah. Yeah. Well, I hope everybody had a good fourth, and I hope everybody survived the Friday night flood that we had here in Fairland. I don't know if y'all got any rain, but let me tell you, now, I didn't catch Dr. Bill this morning, and I don't know what the actual reading at that airport was, but according to the National Weather Service, their estimated Doppler radar said, "We got five inches." Man. And that was in about two hours. I know. Because it was more like two feet. It felt like the bottom fell out. You know, but I slept when I was starting to walk. I did. You know what I did? Yep. We were out of power for about four hours after it wasn't a big light, and the strong weather. Really? That was a nice evening. None of that was broadcast over, you know, our local news that y'all had already lost fire. If it was, I didn't see it. Well, I knew the neighborhood that I mean we was without power. Yeah. We were looking at a transformer across the road that fire falling off of it. When Alabama power showed up, I said, "You're going to need another transformer so that we're right there, boy." I imagine seeing that turn a little hole, but right through the bottom. Well, all that dirt fluid looked out. That's where that fire jumped. Yeah. But, you know, guys, before I get on my little NASCAR rent, I wanted to ask you, "You know it's funny how the price of gas was, it was falling even after Memorial Day when the summer blend came in to effect, and the prices were supposed to go up, but everything was going out." The day after Uncle Joe got on there and showed that, "Well, you don't know exactly what the hell he's talking about, prices jumped 10 to 15 cents a gallon." Yeah, I don't know. They play any games they can to get the gas prices to go up. Yeah. I don't know how they get away with it, but they do. Yeah. It's, you know, the thing is, is, you know, what choice do we have? Right. Yeah. You could get them to bring the prices way down if you just quit buying gas, you know? Who's going to do that? Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, you're running around trying to find groceries that are cheaper. You know, you're having to buy groceries now at four or five different places on the boggles, you know, buy one, get one free so that you could get two, so that you could exist and back in the day, you just went to the store bought all your groceries and come on. But I'm looking for the man to get in there that says drill, baby drill. Very good. Very good. Yep. Well, we need to. But okay. Here we go. Chicago street race. Did y'all get to see that? I did watch. I did watch. I did, too. Well, it was, I'm not a big fan of street race and I think it's a little bit more fun than the, than the mile tracks, but there was some guessing going on about when to switch tires and when not to switch tires and the guy that actually won race, that thing had a win to its limit instead of a time. He'd be gone to get that a couple more laps. Yeah. It was all over for him. He, he made the right, the right difference on that. He was just lucky. And also there was a couple of people he got taken out of the wreck that would have spanked his butt and they've been doing it all year. Unless it was funny that the same people that were wrecking were wrecking four or five times. Oh, right. Every time you turn around, that was in a tire barrier. And my ball is trying hard, man. Yep. Well, they, you know, they, they, they'll never learn that running a car into a tire barrier never makes it handle better. No, it don't make it happen. I don't know why that happened. Yeah. You would think it's just rubbery. It's rubbery. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, you know, it raised the heart there in Chicago that only, only empty tires was full of water. Did you see that too? Into a water barrier. Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, you know, that being said, your head, my opinion, you know, and I will always got one just like everybody's got one of those like I have an opinion. I think that National Guard is losing the head cap so bad at all their facilities due to the fact that everything we do now is on TV. And the cuts that they're getting from the channels that are carrying the races is just so big that they just want to put some more money in their pocket by doing something more interesting, but did you see what it cost you to get a ticket to that race? Mm-hmm. Oh, I can only imagine. Yep. It was $40 from sitting in a bleacher somewhere to $500 up close. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I remember you used to probably go to Talladega for $25, $30 and go out in there in the infield and well, if you wanted to see it, it could be seen. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep. Absolutely. But now, see, that being said, we're fixing this, I mean, here you go again, I have an opinion. I think we're fixing to see some changes made in NASCAR because I think some of those car owners that owns these teams have about had it with NASCAR and the amount of money that NASCAR is letting coming back down the line to them. See, to my knowledge, they don't pay you much to win a race now. Every now and then, they will announce something. The biggest money that these car owners live on is the, I think it's like, what, 40 percent? Only one of them is 40 percent or something like that is a stupid figure and NASCAR is going to keep 60 percent of $700 billion. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's all about sponsors. Yeah. Now, that's where you get your big money from. Well, yeah. But they're burning those people out. Yeah. Well, when you get hooders, don't want to come back and they're getting a lot of, a lot of publicity with, with Chase. When you got somebody like that who says, well, no, no, we're not, we're not getting back to any of it. They burn out on, they burn out on the NASCAR BS, man. Yeah. Well, a lot of people are. Yeah. So I'll be, I'll try to enjoy local racing when I can, you know. We've talked about it before, Tom, and Kevin, men, you both, it's not even racing the most. They don't even switch gears like they used to. These guys, they got nowadays, can't find first and second and third and fourth. I got to have it click, click, click, click, click, click, my will for the automatic, you know, which is pretty much what it is. It's basically a manual automatic. Yep. Yeah. I don't know. It's a. I know they're evolving and trying to evolve the sport. I think they've made some wrong choices in some of their evolutions, but, you know, hopefully they'll wake up and see it. I certainly hope so, you know, they've got to be able to. Just like the, just like the local stuff, you know. You got to pass that money down to the teams, you know, in purse money or it's not sustainable. Yep. Yeah. You know, it's just like me carrying a car to Mobile International, you know, if I go down there and win and don't tear anything up, if I can't make money off of it that night, I can't keep coming back every week, you know, even with sponsors and that, that money is for basically putting a car together and getting it there. And for the nights that you're not going to, you know, come out ahead. Well, your cars are 30 to 75, 30 to 90,000 dollars now. No, yeah. At least. I want to pay money that we were receiving in the 80s and 70s. Right. You know? Come on. Yep. Absolutely. Well, it sounded like it's time for us to take a break and get out of here for, let you hear from our sponsors. All right. Well, I'm back on that early morning thing for this week, so I'm going to go lay my head on a pillow and I'll listen to y'all. Y'all have a great night. Your dad, Irene. Thank you. Goodbye. Goodbye. All right. We'll be back. Well, I turned 16, let's save a few hundred bucks. My first car. It's the car doctor with Kevin Ray Winkle and Tom Klexton on FM Talk 1065. Call Kevin and Tom now at 3430106 with your car maintenance and repair questions. The doctor is in. Welcome back to the car doctor show. This is car doctor Kevin Ray Winkle on the Tom Klexton. You have any questions? Give us a call or send us a text 3430106. Speaking of text, we got a question here on the text line. Can you use $5.20 synthetic motor oil in a vehicle instead of the $5.30 that it calls for? Absolutely. You can't. It's not a problem. Y'all have a problem. You know, if you're going to vary drastically from what it calls for, then it could cause a problem on some of the newer vehicles. One thing, if you don't want to run a real heavy weight oil in a car that's built for a $0.20 or $5.20 or anything like that, because it doesn't have the clearances to let that oil flow where it needs to go if it's that thick. That being said, everything that we have in these modern vehicles that has the variable cam time and the displacement on demands. There's so much stuff going on inside motors, you know, that in every bit of it's pretty much oil controlled, so you need to stick kind of close because it's anticipating you having the oil they, you know, designated for that car. So they know how long they need to turn on a valve and/or, you know, like a pulse width modulated solenoid or something, how much duty cycle it needs to operate properly. So if you vary from that a bunch, you can start causing problems. Well, you have to remember too that that's a double weight oil and the viscosity in the oil changes with the temperature of the oil. So you have zero weight oil thin when you go to crank it up so that it immediately gets the oil to all of your surfaces that need to be lubricated. Now, as it gets warmer and hotter, then it changes to 30 weight oil. Now you're going to lose and this has all been proven now guys and gals with dinos and race cars and whatever. You're going to lose a little economy going from a 20 to 30. Can you put a pencil on it? I don't know. But consider your oil pump and all of your moving parts are having to move in oil that's 10 pounds of weight heavier than what it was designed for. The other area that Kevin and I talked about on numerous occasions on the show is that back in the day, the tolerance is in the motors where like, you know, you might have two and a half, 3000s clearance, and then some of those clearances in those motors now are less than 1000s. Most of them nowadays are three quarters of 1000s and under. Right. Well, the reason for that is they could use that thinner motor oil. Right. Back in the day when we were running, you know, the 70s and 80s, I mean, we built motors with a lot of slack in them. We modified the oil pumps and we put in 50 straight, straight 50 weight motor oil, you know. And we had the oil pumps in where they were pumping at least 55, 60 pounds oil pressure continuously. Well, what unusual to have a race motor had a 100 pounds of oil pressure when especially when it was cold. Right. Because you had to. Yeah. Because by the time it got hot, you only ended up with about 40. Yeah. Because of the clearances in that oil would finally fan out enough that it would, it would possibly lose. Okay. Yeah. And you just lose oil pressure so much over the temperature of the oil that you had to start with way more oil pressure than what you needed. Well, you know, you have to consider, I mean, how many of you have seen the turbines that are in the dams at the big waterfalls at all? Well, they're building the water pressures coming in there on those turbines and causing them to spin. Right. Now, we use the same principle in a car except we would reverse that. We control the power to the turbine. It's like the inner pump in an oil pump, and then by the power or the pressure on that pump with that turbine, we pull that oil and push it through the rest of the motor to lubricate all of those moving parts and intricate pieces that need the lubrication. So the more power it takes to turn that turbine, then the less economical it's going to be. Right. So now, as I say, in some cases, it might be still minute or short runs you couldn't put a vessel on it. But if you had long-term runs where you would drive in 300 miles or 600 miles, you will see it. You'll see it on your... Yeah. And I've seen it on an engine dyno on a dry sump, rolling system on a car, where you could actually... I mean, if you had one that at higher a pin would be running 80 pounds oil pressure, you back it down to about 60 or 55 or 60 pounds. Right. Right. And you would gain as much as five or six to eight horsepower. Pick up horsepower. Yeah. Pick up horsepower. Don't put it in having to work as hard, and if it wasn't working as hard, it wasn't drawing horsepower. So it was just... Well, the same thing applies to our alternators and air compressors. I mean, you don't have to see the air conditioner on a race car, because that thing pulls too much power from the motor. Right. And on a lot of occasions, you've got alternators that are not there on there, but they're not hooked up to nothing. They're just a freakspinning machine, and it's got a fresh battery in it. Right. So you don't pull that power off of the motor. You just run off of the juice on the battery. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Especially if you're going to qualify a round track car, a lot of times you'll have a switch where you can turn the alternator off. Sure. Sure. So it doesn't draw that little bit of horsepower. Yeah. And you only turn it on when you get a gauge that shows your battery's going down a little bit. Right. And the parasitic drain on the horsepower is where you can gain your most or make your most largest gains on a race car like that. And they've taken that same technology and moved it over to the passenger cars. Like right now, we have computers controlling the alternator output. So if it senses that the battery is fully charged, it may totally turn off your alternator. Right. And you may run another 10 miles or whatever before it turns it back on. Right. Yeah. Yeah. If it's not sensing a high drain, it's going to bring that alternator back to where it's not dragging on the motor. Sure. Sure. Yeah. They're doing all of it for a mile per gallon. Yeah. And the same thing is anything that saves you the mile per gallon, it frees up horsepower. So you're using, you can use it. You're trying to cut out all the power drains that you can cut out of it. Right. Yeah. You don't want to drain any more power off of the motor than you can so that you could get the additional horsepower and the additional RPMs. Yep. Yeah. So, you know, so that's kind of where, you know, it's, do I let work? Oh, yeah. It'll work. And you're probably not going to tear up anything that I know of or if Kevin knows that, right? Right. So, you know, but if you feel like you want to do that, I would think you might be considering that for maybe you get a little rattled in the mornings when you crank into a car up, but that's deleting the purpose, you know, because the oil is still going to be zero, you know, and what I found in that regard is if you get in the car and you just, you know, rip and don't, don't crank it, rip, just, just spend it over a couple of times and stop. Now, do it again. You've pushed the oil up in there and you get, you get some oil moving around in your bearings and stuff where that, where that rattles covered from. And the only reason you're hearing that is because that battery is dry. There's no molecule or left between that bearing surface of that crankshaft or rod or whatever it may be. Right. Right. Am I correct? Yeah. I mean, it's, the oil is, is when you shut it off when it was hot, it basically run off oil off everything. Right. It was thin, it was light, it ran away, you know, and they cranked so fast now that they cranked before. Yeah. Yeah. They, they, they're, they crank before they get oil pressure, you know, so, they're cranking dry. Right. Much every time. Yeah. They're not as bad, you know, that they don't hammer on themselves because they have less clearance, but you're using a better oil. So that, that film is still there and it's okay. Mm-hmm. You know, you never want to crank one up with your foot half way on the throttle, so it, it revs way up when you first crank it. That's, that's when you're going to do damage to your motor. Free wheeling is okay with a very minute amount of lubricant. But if you put pressure or stress on that varying surface, wherever it may be, or a metal metal surface, then you're going to, you're going to stress something out. Right. You're going to call something to give or wear. Well, you know, our motors are, everything that's built nowadays is fuel injected in some way or form. That being said, you don't even have to touch the throttle to crank one. Yeah. And it doesn't even like you to touch the throttle to crank it. Right. Right. Don't need to. Just, just hit the key and let it crank. Yeah. That's all it matters. If you're having to get your foot on the gas pedal to make it crank, there's something wrong. Right. Yeah. Right. Tap each other rate a couple of times, get a little gas in there. Right. You know? Right. And set the choke and all that. Yeah. You don't have to do any of that anymore. This got computers that are sensing the coolant temp and the air temp and elevation and everything else. And it knows how much to spray in it. Yes. Oh, there's power. How low are these? And how far to open the idle layer control motors and stuff like that. So it's basically hammering everybody that stuff. We couldn't even personally think that thing fast. You know? Let's reach all those controls on all those things that need to be set and checked. It's set at certain parameters. Yeah. You know, it's amazing what we thought was fast way back in the day on these early computers. You know, they couldn't even begin to do what's going on now. You know, where it would do one or two items back in, that's like you'll do 500 or 1,000 now. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It sounded like it's time for us to take a break. We're going to let you hear from our sponsors and we'll be back. It's the Car Doctor with Kevin Ray Winkle and Tom Klexton on FM Talk 1065. Call Kevin and Tom now at 3430106 with your car maintenance and repair questions. The doctor is in. This is the Car Doctor, Kevin Ray Winkle on the time. Do you have any questions? Give us a call or send us a text 3430106, but we think we're going to get into some other stuff here and then we got some talk a little bit about what we got coming up next week. All right. Well, next week, you know, we had a gentleman on it that I worked with over the years. It's still in the industry and he is a professional witness. Actually, he's in Atlanta this weekend, he's got two cases in the morning in court. Oh, man, you know, got the call. He's in court in the morning being a professional witness about repairs on an automobile, and all but his and his specialist and all that because he's past president of I-Car, I-Car being the company that trains and I guess do they still trade their most of it down on the computer? You know, the independent body shops are doing some hands-on stuff and they actually come out sometimes to the body shops to do some training, but they do a lot online too. Okay. Yeah. Well, this gentleman was prior to this turn of events here was the president of I-Car, which was the organization that trained all of these body shops and painters and stuff around. He is now a expert in the field of diminished value. That's an intriguing idea and very technical with the automobile field and let's just say back in the day, if you had a car that was less than three years old and you had a wreck with somebody, they ran into you. It was their fault. I will get him to explain all of this, but if it was their fault, then they would, number one, their insurance company would be required to repair your car now and to the back to factory specs, but you have to stop and think that car has been in an accident. I was going to say when you're starting to appraise a car, what's the first thing you look for? Has it been in an accident? Yeah. You check car facts. And if it has, then it's automatically going to be devalued for $2, $3, $4, $5,000 and some high-dollar cars, maybe even more than that. But it also has to do, these guys are now experts in the field and they are qualified to check to see if the repair work was done correctly. Now that means, did they cut enough paint off of the vehicle so that the vehicle is supposed to have only, what, three millimeters, three mill mils of thickness of paint and it's not supposed to have any body fillers. We are in the back of the day, we called it Bondo, but it's not supposed to have any fillers under it. If they got little dents and rough places that they didn't fix or repair or replace, then they would just cover it up with some body filler, send it off, get the form right from prime it, shoot it, you know. Well, you couldn't see that. Well, no, we got little machines now that will check that. There are so many intricate parts in regards to this. The other thing is, did the paint match? We actually have in the industry computers that you can put on that paint and it will give you a pacific color. It gives you the color match, how many ounces of this, how many ounces of that, how many quarter ounces of this, quarter ounces of that, to make that paint. Well, and what you get into there is that, okay, it was painted originally five years ago with, you know, a certain paint code, as well. General Motors or whoever? Well, in this particular issue, three years, yeah. So they painted it with that paint code and that formula makes that paint code. So if it's been out in the sun for three years, you know, it's not going to be exactly the same color when you go back to repair it. So when you spot one in, say you have to paint a fender in or a door or whatever, it's not going to look exactly like the rest of the car. We have a lot better luck with that nowadays with the base coat, clear coat vehicles. Because, you know, the finish is so much better than what it was at one point. You know, when you had a single stage patent, you were trying to match it into a three or four year old car. Oh, yeah. Good luck. Good luck. It ain't happening. Well, that's where blending came in. Yeah, and that's where blending came in and, you know, they still do a little bit of that, but it's still clear coat it over and it makes a nice, you know, a nice finish without. Well, you know, that being said, I really don't need of us discussing any more tonight, but I think if you're a car enthusiast like we are and that you love them, I don't like to walk. And I don't remember the others that do, because I don't see a lot of people walking on the street now, unless they're bumming on the street corners, but anyway, that being said, it catches next Monday night at eight o'clock. And let's see what's going on and it actually, I don't know what I'll get with the engineer and see, we might take a couple of phone calls. If he can jump up and run in there and catch them, you know, and see what we've got. I would prefer for you to send us a text and that would be to the betterment of it. If you've got a question about something he said, just text us your question. And while he's here, you know, all right, while he's on the phone, we can get him to answer that question at all. So I'm looking forward to having him on tomorrow night and we are working on live in the show up a little bit with some more intricate details on automobiles. So Kevin and I've been, you know, kind of banging our head against the wall on that. But we're going to get some of these special guests to maybe come in with us and we might even be able to get somebody from one of the paint suppliers to come in and talk about the paints that were used five years ago. Are we still using it? What do we use it today? And what are we looking for next week or next month or next year, you know? Or if there's, or if there's something special on a vehicle you want to hear about or talk about, you know, give us a call. Yeah, we're, we may not be the expert in that particular point of a vehicle, but we know. We'll figure it out if, and if we don't know something, we know somebody that does. There you go. So we'll, we'll find the answer and come back the next week and talk about it again. Well, you got to consider it. You don't Kevin and I together have over 90 years of experience 92 guys with 90 years of experience in automobiles and maintenance. So we enjoy coming up here and talking with you and hoping that we can, you know, maybe fill your hour of time or some portion of it that you're watching with a little bit of the idea about what the heck's going on with these high dollar units. I can remember when we was bought brand new cars, $2, $3,000, man, I don't want to even buy a set of tires. That's right. That's right. But it does sound like we run up to end of our show. I want to thank everybody for listening to the card doctor show and we'll be back next week. Whether, whether y'all want to do it or not. I'm done. I heard that old jig box playing. The song about a truck driving man. So hold me another cup of coffee. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. (upbeat music)