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Beyond the Blockchain 7-2-24 the panel talks generative AI, Dubai as a financial hub, neuralink,, nuclear, prompts,
>> Welcome to Beyond the Blockchain with Scott Tindall, a discussion of blockchain technology, cryptocurrency, and why it matters to you. >> Hey folks, welcome into the show. We're here with you on a Tuesday night, Tuesday, Tuesday. We got another great show for you. We've got Johnny Gwen in studio with us, the Johnny Gwen. >> Howdy. >> To find him on Twitter at the Johnny Gwen. >> That guy in Memphis. >> Two ends. >> Today was a guy in Memphis that had Johnny Gwen, which I should have gotten years ago. I made some dumb name like Brother Dallas, which was a literary character. >> Of course. >> And like an idiot, I didn't get my own name on Twitter. My daughter the other day asked me how I was able to get my first and last name for Gmail. And I was like, "Honey?" 'Cause I was around when Gmail started. >> That's right, I have my name too. Now, this is a hack, a tip for all you listeners out there. Even if you don't think you're gonna get on a platform, go secure your name. >> Yes, always. >> I went to a consultant podcast influencer years ago. Her name was like Tiffany Crystal, something like that. And she was this wonderfully prim and proper Tiffany Crystal. And she said, "Don't look me up on Google "because there's a porn star named Tiffany Crystal." She said, "It's very confusing in my line of work "because people are very scared to hire me "or they really want to hire me for all the wrong reasons." So go get your name and secure it, even if you're not gonna use it. >> I used to get emails for a guy named Scott Tindall that lives in London. And we ended up connecting on LinkedIn. >> That's good. >> But, so I used to get his emails. At one time, I got an email to play in this golf tournament in Scotland. You should have gone. I kind of wanted to go. I had to politely decline and say, "Sorry, I'll be in the States that week. "I won't be able to make it nice." So, very smart and yes, go get your name. And the guy at Memphis that was Johnny Gwen was kind of prickly. He was not very, I tried to reach out and say if you ever even get rid of it and he just brushed me off and kind of called me a weird name. >> Well, there's a guy on Google, my search that's like the classical pianist. So I mean, I don't really feel too bad about it. Fillers the classical pianist. >> See, that amplifies your profile. The guy at Memphis, he does teach something important and you were to Memphis. So at least he's not a porn star. >> Well, this is a funny story about names. You know who Danny Sheridan is? >> Oh, of course. >> You know, Danny Sheridan. >> Mobile legend. >> Mobile legend, Danny Sheridan. Anyway, I saw him in Publix a few weeks ago and I said, "Danny, Wikipedia tells me you're dead." And he goes, "No, no, that's a different Danny Sheridan "that's a piece player in some band." >> Oh yeah, that's right. >> He's like, "Yeah." >> He's like a metal, I got glam band, glam 80s band. >> You couldn't remember exactly what band it was after looking up. >> Do y'all remember, look at this up on Google in the break, there is a horrible picture. Who, whatever he was wearing, makeup on TV, Danny Sheridan looked like he had died. He looked like a corpse on the TV. Look at ESPN. >> I think I've seen that. >> And it is hilarious. It's like, it's not Photoshop. It was whatever his lighting was, whatever his makeup one. He looked like he was Paul Bearer. Remember him from the wrestling guy? >> Also from Mobile. >> Also from Mobile. He looked like that literally was gray. His body was gray, but you know, I just remember that picture. He's a very nice guy. >> All right, the other Danny Sheridan bass player was band mates with David Allen Co. >> Oh, not metal at all. All right, we're wasting a lot of blockchain time here. >> He married a Playboy model and he had a black wood. >> Good. >> What a guy. >> Need a black wood. >> The VJ from TV. >> Yeah. >> What do you want a pop culture today? >> Listen, it's just that kind of show sometimes with us. >> Oh, Bitcoin and blockchain is becoming pop culture. >> It is. >> Look, there's nothing more pop-rock than crypto. >> Did you see where, does anybody know who David Portnoy is? >> That's Dream Theater. >> Barstool. >> No, it's Barstool. >> The Barstool sports guy. >> Oh, yeah, he's kind of a bro guy, but he's very successful. I don't think I want to hang out with him. >> He's less bro than he used to be. >> He's so bro guy. >> He's just brash. >> And that's his brand and he's Staten Island. So, well, he came out today and roughly said, he was not a Bitcoin adopter early. He literally came out and said, "If you're not in Bitcoin and nothing else, you are wasting your time in stupid." Which again, Bitcoin is now mainstream, mainstream, mainstream, mainstream, mainstream, mainstream. >> Something that you don't expect for him to be, you know, to be the bro that he is? >> Huge train of Caitlin Clark. >> Huge supporter of Caitlin Clark. >> Again, this guy is, I do believe he is a purist as in the idea of a person who loves sport. He loves sport. And that's why his network, his podcast network, blows away anything out there. It's like 60 something million people on his network. He has created more podcast sports like heroes, like, you know, not ESPN that has anchors. He has the Barstool sports guys and ladies. And they are huge. >> I'll tell you something blue in my mind, Barstool related. There's one of his podcasters named Alex Cooper. She's got one of the biggest podcasts in the world called Collard Daddy, started on, it still is a Barstool podcast, but was watching the US Women's Gymnastics trials. She is there interviewing Simone Biles. >> Of course, like, the pinnacle of sports entertainment now. >> But these are people who got good, who became good being on that microphone and finding out how to really find out not ESPN or at Fox Sports, they found their own talents. They found their own goals and for hours. >> Yeah. >> All right folks, when we come back on Beyond the Blockchain, probably actually talk about the Blockchain. >> Maybe. >> Welcome back to Beyond the Blockchain with Scott Tindall. >> Hey folks, welcome back into the show on your host Scott Tindall. We've got Johnny Gwen in studio with us and one of our favorite teammates, Sierra Catalina, joining us from the New Jersey studio. Sierra, how are you? >> Hi guys, I'm doing great. >> Good. >> How are you? >> We're doing good. We're not talking much of Blockchain stuff. We were talking about some music, some pop culture. Talked about some Mobileans, you know? You know, me, Johnny and Phil, we just get on a rant. We could do this for six hours, but Sean only, how are you gonna put us in for an hour? We mentioned Bitcoin. >> We did mention Bitcoin. I did hear you talk about names and I don't wanna drag it out any longer, however. My name, Sierra Catalina, is super un-Googleable because Apple's iOS recently upgraded from Sierra to Catalina. >> Oh, oh wow, that's good. >> And a long time ago, Tesla's interior car colors used to be Sierra Black and Catalina White. >> Oh, goodness, well, that's like living in the city called Mobile, which is mobile? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, mobile and mobile. >> Worthless, you can't, it's so hard to find 'cause remember when Google, remember when Google? >> They did a mobile and mobile. >> Yeah, it's like 2012. They did like a worldwide launch from Mobile and it had to do with Google Mobile when I was like, eight people showed up 'cause Mobile was, you know, it's still six years behind this one. >> We're still Neanderthals, you know, drag, drag and knuckle. >> That's true. >> Sierra, it's almost like you were built to be in tech. >> Yeah. >> It's like made from the womb to be a tech maven. >> Hey, that could be-- >> I'll be sure to thank my parents for-- >> That's right. >> As nice of me, that destiny. >> It's passed along our-- >> Is the tech maven taken, is that not a radio show already? >> I don't know. >> She could be the AI maven or the bot maven. >> Maven. >> Maven, huh? >> Yeah, no, maven. >> Yeah, maven. >> Not a maven, not a maven, no, right? >> Sorry. >> The maven, yes. >> Yeah. >> So a bot-- >> Details matter, John. >> A bot maven is AI version of the Iron Maiden. >> Oh, yes. >> Yeah. (laughing) >> Sure. Why not? >> Very metal. >> Y'all, there's been some interesting stuff going on in blockchain technology and AI this week. One of the most interesting things is Coinbase has added an entire category, just for deep in now, decentralized physical infrastructure networks. And one of our former guests and a great guy, the co-founder of Hot Spotty, is now one of their editors on that channel. You met that day, did you? >> I did, yeah, I met him out in Austin. Actually, I think it was the same time here that I met you. >> Yeah, it worked for Hot Spotty, right? >> Yeah, well, isn't that where I met you in Austin? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's amazing. >> Yeah, it's been a couple years now, but it's crazy how-- >> But in tech, that's a decade. >> Right, well, that's true. But what it also shows is, tech is a very insular community. >> Of course. >> And everybody's one degree of separation from everybody else. Well, you don't know somebody, you probably know somebody that does know that person. Wouldn't you say, Sierra? >> Oh, it's so true. I always say this industry is big little. It's really big, but once you're on the inside, it's quite little. Like everyone knows each other, or you definitely are connected to some mutuals for sure. >> It's like living in this city. That's why you never talk about somebody, 'cause they either are related, they work with them, or they dated them, or they're divorced from them. >> That's true. >> In this city. Biggest little city in America. Biggest little city in America. But yes, niches gets nicier and nicier, but also the people always say it's like-- >> It's just, it's just. >> I always say it's like jazz music and bluegrass. You have to be able to have skills to stay in the game though. Like jazz and bluegrass, if you're a mediocre, you don't get to play anymore. You just play at home. But if you're good, you stick around the inner circle. >> Well, that's classical too. >> Yeah, of course. >> Now, blues and rock, you know, we just, we're just clubbers. (laughing) >> And let's say you're in your Frank Zappa. Have you-- >> Played what's called blues rock? >> Sierra, have you been following anything interesting this week in your spaces? Speaking of spaces, folks, if you're not on Twitter, get on Twitter and follow Sierra Spaces, they typically don't start until about midnight and they run to about 4 a.m., but they are wild. There's some wild conversation on there. There's some brilliant people that are talking about, I was like, I've never heard of that before. >> Again, you can learn something. >> Absolutely, you can learn something. You gotta learn to filter out some of it, but you know, you can learn some of it. >> Or you can learn to feel small. (laughing) >> You can learn to feel not very smart sometimes. >> That's what I'm talking about, really small in the world. >> Yeah. >> I know it's English, but those words don't go together. (laughing) >> And it's here, you had a guy on-- >> The intellectual, Dr. Scott-- >> Dr. Scott, that was crazy. He was talking about the International Space Station, the International Space Station, everything that was going on. I felt like, I was like, Neil deGrasse Tyson ain't got nothing on this dude. He just got a TV show. >> I love Dr. Scott, he is an aerospace engineer and offers a lot of insight, and I do love that about the platform 'cause I get to post these really intellectual conversations with people I wouldn't have otherwise. Like, I never would've ended up in a bar next to Dr. Scott Walters talking about orbital insertion and rockets, but we can do it on the internet. >> That, what is-- Elon says that X is the town square of the world now, right? >> That's right, the Global Town Square. You know, it really is. >> Yeah, it really is. I think all the forefront in conversations are happening now on X. I think, well, I'm not on any other platform right now 'cause there's no reason to go to it, and I am truly addicted to it, especially watching the debate and anything else happening in the world. Why would you not be anywhere else, but-- >> It's a great place to have live conversation about something that's going on live. It can also be the-- >> It's the best real-time news platform and with information that we get from mainstream or legacy media these days, it's nice to be able to have a unified place to compare and contrast it all, and the community notes feature is pretty good at catching misinformation. >> And seems to be getting better. Did y'all see where Elon Musk actually, community noted our vice president? >> I did see that. >> And it said-- >> Oh my goodness. >> When are you going to realize you politicians, you can't do that here anymore? >> I like to, he said, you can't lie here anymore. >> Or whichever of your interns is running your page. (laughing) >> He was like, "I love that." Literally shakes his finger at, you know, the vice president of the United States and says, "When are you politicians not going to ask?" You can't lie here in this space anymore. It's still also, it's still the bots, actually, too. >> It's doing a lot better, though. They're definitely purging the bots. Like, I noticed that I have 1,000 less followers than I used to, and I can guarantee you. I mean, maybe, you know what? I'm going to say possibly like 75 of those people just didn't like me, but the other 925 were probably bots. (laughing) >> I just have 20. >> If I had to guess it was 20 people didn't like you, and the other 980 were bots. >> Aw, that's too kind. >> Have y'all seen that short little clip on X that shows the farm that has the 7 or 8, 9 Chinese, you know, people at computers with the thousands of phones all connected that says, "This is who you're arguing." It literally says, "This is who you're arguing with on X," and it was just like eight people and like 4,000 phones. >> Well, I'll tell you what, I believe it because I went to Dubai two summers ago, and I was actually meeting up with a guy who was wanting to start some Bitcoin farms, and when I went to his office, it was like 1970s communist China, and there were hundreds of people sitting at their desk hacking whatever the hell they were hacking, I don't know, but they were all smoking like nonstop. >> So you got an opium bin too. >> Yeah, it was wild. >> And I was like, "Get me off of this floor." I have time traveled to somewhere I do not need to be. >> And you're also like, "I'm on somebody's list now 'cause I walk into the building." >> Oh, 100% on all the lists. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> If not, they need to add the building to the list. Add the floor, add the floor to the list. Maybe not the whole building, but at least the floor. >> I promise you, no one's in there right now. They've already moved somewhere. >> Oh yeah, they're at a different floor in a different tower in Dubai now. >> Dubai really though is, Dubai is a wild place. It's immaculately clean. >> Of course. >> There's zero crime. There's the most innovative technology you've ever seen. And there's a metric ton of Russian, Chinese, Saudi, Iranian, everybody's money in the world. And what's crazy is, I learned this, 80% of the world's population lives within eight hour flight of Dubai. >> Right. It's a hub. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. 80% of the world's population can get there in eight hours. >> Man. >> It's pretty crazy. And none of the Emiratis have jobs and the natives. >> They get paid from the royalties from the oil. >> From the oil. >> After just a citizen, correct? >> Yeah, just being born in Emirati. But they will take like government appointments. >> Right. >> So the people that work are government appointees who are running the government. >> Well, that gives you a sense of power. >> Yeah. >> Everyone else. >> Your influence, yeah. >> Every other worker in the country is coming from India or some Southeast Asia. And what's crazy is they have like a zero strike policy, not one strike, like zero strike. Like if you do something wrong on your job, they just fire you, you're kicked out of the country and they just bring in the next person. >> Yeah. Well again, it's the idea of bringing in the brightest and the best if you're the Ivy League of Worlds. >> Yeah, I mean, that's great kind of description of it. >> Well, there's a great video that shows the building of that city over like a time of lapse over 20 years. It literally was amazing to watch that. >> I saw that. >> It's incredible. >> Well, if we talked on this show, if we talked about the 100 mile city that Saudi Arabia's building. >> No. >> No. >> Yeah, we'll have to talk about that later. That's a longer conversation. >> What else you got, bro? >> Man, let's see what else we got going on here. >> Johnny, you and I were talking earlier about some really interesting articles we saw on AI. Why don't you tell us about this cat that says that by 2045, we're going to be a million fold? >> I know Sierra knows this. It's Ron Kursel, that the name, right? He wrote the book, "The Singularity is Near." >> Oh, yeah, Jay Kursel? >> Yeah, that's it. And he pretty much is the closest futurist to saying what a smart computer in AI is back then to where it is today. Well, he just wrote, just put a new book out called, "The Singularity is Near." So he's writing about the next 20 years, and he says by 2029, AI will be smarter than any human being ever, ever born. And by 2045, it will be a million fold smarter than humans. So, and again, he's been pretty, he's pretty accurate and it's predictions. >> As we currently are. You don't have to be a million fold better than humans. >> That's right, it's very, you know-- >> He's widely respected as having been accurate in his past predictions. And the concept, if I can define them really quickly for our listeners that he is talking about, are AGI, artificial general intelligence, and that's what he is predicting, and I agree, will be here by 2029. Artificial general intelligence, or AGI, is when we have AI that is smarter than the smartest humans. Now, the next step of that is AI. An artificial superintelligence, which is that 10 fold where we will have an artificial intelligence that's not just smarter than the smartest human, but smarter than all of the smartest humans in the world can bind. And I also agree with the projection of 2045 for that. I'd say that actually is a little generous, but I'm what they call a techno-optimistic. >> Yeah, I thought he was too. He did not give dire predictions. I'm not saying he didn't say there's problems that come with all of this innovation and power, but he was also saying the idea of while some jobs will be taken away, many jobs will be created, and I really like that way of thinking. And he said, look, what jobs is that? >> Well, he didn't hear that sound, but that's pretty light on a specific job. This book is, I didn't read the book, I read a synopsis of the book of an article of him. But what he said was, he was like in 2009, the word social media influencer wasn't even a job. So he's saying, just take the idea of all of that information and the idea is like, just figure out what this, if you learn to use and learn to leverage the power of this understanding, is the idea of while something might be taken away from you, something amazing might be opening up to you. >> And I still think about the human brain, but first of all, there are things we don't know about the human brain, to say what we're saying, that it'll be faster and smarter than the human brain, and the combination of human brains, that's while it is right now. But we've got a 10-year-old that goes to a university, and we have, like in the last 10 years, we have this sudden explosion like musicians, for instance, all these kids playing like bewildering guitar that no one's ever thought about, but it's such evolution, but we're slow evolution, where the idea of the computer is exponential growth. >> Right, but that 10 years is a quantum leap, that's not slow, that 10 years is a quantum leap, and that's what I mean, because in evolutionary terms, 10 years is an obel, it's literally an obel, because it's almost like what they say about the jumps, like, you know, anyway, it's like an evolutionary jump. When you have a quantum leap, like 10 years, that's nothing. >> Well, I think Sierra could help us with this. This idea of the Neuralink with Elon Musk is one of these big things of the idea of putting together the, putting together the human with the computer. >> Yeah. >> That's the magic, the merge. >> That's a wonderful way to snooze and break. We come back, let's actually talk about, a little bit about Neuralink, and are we already tethered to technology already with our phones? We come back on Beyond the Black Ching. (upbeat music) >> Welcome back to Beyond the Black Ching with Scott Tindall. >> Hey folks, welcome back to Beyond the Black Ching. We're here talking AI, talking a little bit of Bitcoin, mostly talking about AI and machine learning, which is to me just remarkably fascinating. And there's more going on in that space than there is in crypto right now, although we did talk a little crypto. Folks, I wish you could hear some of what goes on during the break because these conversations just get wild on stuff we can't get on upgrade. Upgrade is the movie that we were just talking about during the break. Upgrade is a movie that is now on Netflix where a guy has AI installed into his spine and he goes off to try and avenge his wife's murder and the AI hacks him and controls his body. Upgrade, that's what I was thinking of guys. >> That's right, upgrade. >> Sierra, before the break, we were talking a little bit about Neuralink very briefly. We just kind of introduced the concept. What's the latest on Neuralink and when do we think this is gonna be something that regular folks may have a chance to interface with? >> Well, the latest update is that the first human patient has received the Neuralink implant. He is a quadriplegic gentleman who now with the Neuralink chip is recovering well. It's been, I believe, about three months since he received his implant and he's posted several video updates since, as far as from a surgical standpoint, he's healed completely and they're not having any issues with the body rejecting the technology, but beyond that. So he's quadriplegic, has no use of his limbs from the neck or shoulders down. And now, because of the Neuralink implant, can control a computer screen or the mouse on a computer screen with his brain. And if that's not impressive enough, he can do it faster than your eye could by clicking a mouse. So they actually have a test. If you go on Neuralink X profile, you can take the Neuralink Click test. It's kind of fun. It's this game where you click, it's almost like whack a mobile with a mouse. You click each box that lights up as fast as you can and they have a benchmark score. And so far, no able bodied human has scored higher with speed and accuracy than Nolan's, the first Neuralink recipient. So that's pretty cool. And he speaks a lot just about how much it has tremendously improved his life and his independence to be able to communicate and carry out actions online and also interface with his care that most of them around. And it's just really exciting. There's a lot of promise. They also have plans for the future to be able to potentially help restore sight to those who have lost their vision. And they're accepting more applicants for new recipients. Now they have a list of criteria that people have to meet. But as far as when it might be in the hands of the general public, I think that it's kind of tough to predict optimistically, I'd say a couple of years. - Well, the FDA doesn't move quickly and surgical implants fall under the, well, again, I was about to ask Sierra that, Sierra, I saw that, no, Sierra's great to follow on X about bots and robots, which is amazing. And I saw Sierra, there was an exoskeleton that was being created, is the, is it a possible idea as Neuralink could be attached to this exoskeleton that allows this person to walk and move maybe? 'Cause I think that-- - That's an excellent point. I've seen other AI-driven technologies that are made to help with mobility. And one that helps paraplegic walk again. So I don't see why not in the future. - Johnny, I saw something, it's already interrupts here. I saw something one step further than that. The very first Neuralink recipient that we were just talking about, he's paralyzed from the shoulders down. But what he said is, he thinks the next iteration is, his whole Neuralink is Bluetooth now into his computer. But what they think is they'll be able to put a receiver below his injury on his spine, and that will actually bypass the spinal cord, and he'll be able to be fully functioning without an exoskeleton. - But like you said, an exoskeleton gets you around the idea of having to worry about all these, like, regulations of surgery and stuff and FDA, but an exoskeleton would immediately be to where, I mean, they're already using it, supposedly we're testing it, those exoskeletons are very human, and they're in like a, to be able to lift more, to be able to move more. - Well, the military certainly has a position on it. - Of course, you're a soldier. - If you have no arms or legs at all, that exoskeleton would, yeah, wow. Again, the merge. - The merge. - The merge. - I saw this week, which is in line with the merge. A company in China launched a prosthetic hand that actually is not only controlled by thoughts, so the thought of opening and closing the hand, but additionally, it allows the user to feel sensation, such as temperature in their phantom limb. So that's incredibly promising, yeah. - Well, you know, the Chinese also fired off a rocket in a neighborhood. (laughing) - Well, I wouldn't say part in the neighborhood it landed in the neighborhood. - Well, the rocket launch pad was next to the neighborhood. - Well, that's what you get living next to a communist government. - The neighbors were like, that we had no idea there was a launch pad in our neighborhood. - Oh my goodness, can you imagine? - Well, again, that's like, we don't know about secret nuclear silos buried somewhere in the ground around these parts. I'm wondering, I'm certain there's several dozen. - I'm the least, I'm gonna like shift this. It's the same subject, but I'm more curious about your work on Grock, right? Don't you work on training it? - Well, formerly I did work training in Grock for XAI, and unfortunately due to non-disposures and such I'm not sure how much I can speak to (laughing) if you have any questions. - Good answer. - No, let's just move on, we're not, I am an attorney, but I'm not trying to be C.E.R. as an intellectual property attorney. - No, I don't need to be deposed for anything. I don't have time for being deposed. - No, I was just reading the websites. Like, you know, X has these different, you know, I can click on it and drop down menu and it talks about 1.5 information. Like, this is public information, nothing that you would have to... - Sure, sure. - Like, what was it they were talking about? The way the, the computers, you know, it's like you're linking to a bunch of computers. Like, oh, here he is, massive GPU clusters that, you know, build the infrastructure. - The supercomputer, yes. - Right, right, right, right. They very recently brought online the world's largest to date GPU cluster or a supercomputer called Dojo, which will offer unparalleled compute access. So they'll just be able to run massive amounts of most training and actual compute to carry out the actions of delivering on the queries in parallel. And it's very same. Again, it's the world's largest to date, supercomputer. So. - I can't remember which company it was. I'll try and think about it. And if I find it, I'll post it on Twitter. But one of these technology companies is now talking about using nuclear energy, starting their own nuclear power plant. - I think I have to use nuclear energy for their farms. - For their farms, yeah. - I mean, again, the left that is super anti-nuclear are gonna like have to decide between, do you want this amazing new innovation? And if we have to be able to generate, I mean, I heard that one prompt, one prompt of a chat GPT is equivalent to a light bulb for 15 minutes. That's how much power drain that is. - No, I don't know accurate that is, I just, you know, ready to go. - If it's on the internet, it has to be true. - It's gotta be true. But I mean, that's, but these are power suckers. I mean, and each chip is gonna get more powerful, more powerful, more powerful, more users, more users, more users. I mean, my gosh, we're gonna be, I mean, the grid's already at, you know, 101% that we're already using now. What are they gonna do? - Yeah, we talk about energy constraints a lot in the industry, 'cause it is something that comes up often because there isn't an exponential amount of power draw required to run these models. However, I am extraordinarily optimistic about the energy sector. I think as AI gets better, we're either going to fortify some solutions that we currently have, such as a combination of solar and power walls, also Elon's doing a lot with the massive battery packs. Nuclear is also an option. And then there's the potential as we venture out into the stars that we might find new resources. Asteroid mining is very sincerely becoming a thing. And I feel hopeful that we'll address the energy constraint problem, but also as time progresses and the technology advances, the models can press and become more compact and can become more energy efficient. We've already seen this happen at least twice. So hopefully that continues in that direction and we find new methods of generation. I have for one I'm a big fan of nuclear, so. I know that we're afraid of it here in this country, but if done right, really, it'd be pretty incredible. - Yeah, we're stuck. - We're the ones of our president, former president George Obie Bush, we're looking for a nuclear. - Nuclear, but we're still stuck in 1978 with thinking it's three mile island when these like full generation, un-melt downable, nuclear fusion reactors are real, but no one has the will to, I think necessity of humans will figure out and we tend to figure things out when there's a necessity. - We'll just keep burning more coal, more coal, baby. - If I was gonna take a break, we'll come right back. I'm gonna be on the blockchain. (upbeat music) - Welcome back to Beyond the Blockchain with Scott Tindall. - Hey folks, welcome back into the show. We're on Beyond the Blockchain. This is our last segment, we call it Beyond the Blockchain. And today, we are ripping some 80s pop culture trading cards. Sierra, you're here with us in spirit, with your Elon Musk buys Twitter card. - I love it so much. - We'll tell everybody what you've got here. You don't just throw it out. People can't see what we're doing, Scott, radio. - Well, they can go to my Twitter, but because Johnny Phil and I would be of ripping cards in the studio, I wanted Sierra to feel like she was part of the show, as always, 'cause she's such an important part of the show. So Sierra's got this card that says, it's from Leaf, it is one of only 1283, which is pre-low print for a trading card. And it says, "Elon Musk buys Twitter for 44 billion. "Hashtag, the bird is free." - What a bargain, what a bargain. - So Sierra, that is your card for tonight, and I'll be mailing this one to you. - I ripped Indiana Jones from 1984, tops, Indiana Jones. Beautiful artwork, by the way. It came with a wonderful stick of gum, as top cards always do. - I'll chew it, it's in 1985. - This is '84 gum, and '85, good. - Let's see what it's saying. It's just as hard as it was when it was given. - But I'm sure it is. And then I also ripped-- - I don't know, no, no, no. - Return of the Jedi from 1984. So we're ripping 40-year-old packs, and I'll tell you what. - Oh my God, this gum is horrible. Oh my God. - This is stupid, guys. - Sorry. - But you're eating the gum? - Yeah, Johnny Yates gum. (laughing) 40-year-old. - You're a little incinerator, my God. Oh my God. (laughing) Oh my God. (laughing) - I like it, my God. - Never do that, oh my God. - Beyond, beyond, beyond. - Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. - Oh my God, never chew a bubble gum from 1985. (laughing) - Oh man, I tell you what though, in my cards, Johnny, you gotta get over that, man. We ride them this time. (laughing) I gotta really hand some Indiana Jones. Says don't mess with Indies, he's got his whip. I got the royal feast where they're eating monkey brains. - Oh man. - I got a sticker, says the goddess of Kali reigns, is the guy that cuts people's heart out. - That's right. - That guy was pretty wild. You got some other good stuff here. - In the Star Wars pack, Return of the Jedi, I got Princess Leia in her metal bikini. - Yes. - That's an iconic scene. - Next to my paraprofaucet poster, that was my second favorite poster growing up. - You know, we don't need to keep your teenage-- - That was PG, that was super PG. (laughing) - Is it though? And I got R2D2 with an E-walk. I got some cool stuff going on here. What do you got over there, Johnny? - Johnny's ripping-- - 1975, 1975, the Rocky Horror Picture Show. - Those are 50 year old cars. - Which is the unconventional conventional list, which is like the chorus, you know, all the chorus. - I remember that. - And then it has the car, and then it has Rocky with, what's his name, with Tim Curry's character. - Oh yeah, Tim Curry. - And then more Rocky, and then the narrator. - But every Christmas they will do, let's do the Time Warp, but not Christmas, the Halloween, let's do the Time Warp again, which go on YouTube, and it's a great song, and you will never stop singing it once you hear it. - And you also ripped Cindy Loper. - Cindy Loper. - From '80, something? - From 1985, and roughly it's hard to explain, it's just really pictures of her from her videos. - Oh, okay. - Which I really love her song time after time in True Colors. - I like both those songs as well. - Yeah, Grateful Dead, actually. - Jerry Garcia did True Colors really, really well, so. - I think I've heard that first. - First time I really, like, I dismissed her, 'cause I was a punk rock kid, so I just missed anything on the radio. But once, years later, when I came to Deadhead, once Jerry did it, I became a Cindy Loper fan, because Jerry told me to-- - There's still more gum over here, Johnny. - No, no more gum. - Phil, Phil, you ripped. - Yeah, it looks like you have a couple sticks of gum. - Yeah, that's the next thing to be here. - You can all have some 40-year-old gum. - Oh, it's really bad to put gum in a trading card, because it's stuck. - They didn't know what they were doing back then. - Phil is ripping-- - 1979, this is the original 1979 card for Alien. - Alien. - And I did not remember that Doom was 1984. I thought it was 1987, but-- - You know what, that one of these 1984-- - 1984? - Doom. - Oh, the irony, I love that for Doom. I love it so much. - It's the David Lynch, which he would not put his name on it. - Really? - Every director used the name. When they were told to change the movie so much, they would write a letter to the studio, and they would say, "I have nothing to do with this," and the name is, and I forget the name, and they all used-- - Alan Smitty. - Alan Smitty, yeah. And so that's what's on there, because he said, "I'm not putting my name on this piece of junk." And I will tell you, though, I'm a huge David Lynch fan, when you see that movie now, and see, he carries over so many things into, like, Twin Peaks and into his other movies from the feel of that weird movie he did. And again, it's hard to do what? How many books it takes for the new-- Like, you know, the new Dune, it's gonna be three parts, right? They managed to try to do it in less than 98 minutes the first time, which his version was much longer, but they made it cut back. But I love the '84 Dune. I think it's weird and beautiful and silly, but I love how silly it is. - And I love the ship. The ships are great. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, the creatures are goofy, but, and Steen is in that movie too, which is so weird. (laughs) - Yeah, it's got about the '84 one, but the new one. - You should watch the director's cut, do not watch the one they make you watch. Probably the director's cut. - The director's cut's excellent. - And so, I can tell you how you, Virginia Madsen is very young and the one that's not David Lynch's approval, and she narrates the first five minutes. It's just this woman talking at the screen for five minutes, 'cause they literally cut out half the movie, and then they start where they wanted to. But don't watch that one. It's horrible. Watch the one that doesn't happen at the beginning. - Wow. - Yeah. - I learned something new tonight. - Yeah. - It has visual images, like artwork images of those things, have the human race, and they became like the silver on their little gliders, and they were like-- - No, it's all there. I mean, I love the new Dune. The new Dune is the new Star Wars franchise. - The original, the original Uncut. - Yeah, I know, but I love the new one so much, and my wife does too, and I'm waiting to show her the old one, and she's gonna get it by halfway through and go to sleep, but I don't wanna show her the end, because she doesn't know anything about the story, as she is enthralled, and the new Dune is absolutely gorgeous. It is a, it's beautifully done. - Oh, it is so-- - It's so well done. - The cinematography is phenomenal. The cast is amazing. - Yeah. - And it's just really oddly relevant to-- - Yes. - Human society, right, and the idea of scarcity and I love Dune. - So there's also an awesome book that is out, that it's hard to find, but it came out a couple of years ago. It was actually the original director's version of the 1982, like the book of all the drawings of what they wanted the Dune to be. That is amazing. I'm sorry, I don't know the name of the top, but look for Dune, the original sketchbook. And then, but the 1984 movie, I think, is amazing, and sci-fi people learn to love it. They learn to love it, and I think it's one of those things of like, you made a movie using the CGI, which is not CGI, they used those at the time. I thought it was pretty darn good. - They did use part of those sketches at the beginning of the long one. - Correct, yeah. - And also, I'm a huge Colin McLaughlin fan, right? Colin McLaughlin, yeah. - And he was in Twin Peaks. - Very much, in a lot of David Lynch movies, though. - Blue Velvet and whatnot, so. - And Scott, this was fantastic. I mean, we're ripping cards on the radio, which I'll, again, remind you, people can't see us. - So you're, I need you to, all right, here's your task. - Yeah. - Post your cards on Twitter. - I will post my cards on Twitter. I am the Johnny Gwen. - We got a thread going. So, post them in your thread, and fill, send me pictures of your cards. - I'll post them on Twitter or not. - You post them on Twitter too, perfect. Follow the thread, post them on the thread. - Hey, I have one thread here that goes into this. - Yeah, tell me. - So, I read about a new AI app. It's called 11 Labs, so it's on the Apple app, and it allows you to listen to famous dead actresses and actors. - Oh, yeah. - Read the books, so you have-- - Judy Garland. - Judy Garland, read to you Wizard of Oz. - That's pretty epic. - You have-- - Oh, this is the one I use to clone my own voice, 11 Labs. - Very cool, well, it's a great app. - Yeah. - And I thought it was really cool, and then you have the Maltese Falcon, you have Humphrey Bogart, seeing a reading Maltese Falcon. - Let's talk about that next week. - Fantastic. - I'm beyond the blockchain. - Sounds great. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)