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Jeff Poor Show - Tuesday 6-25-24
<music> >From Bucks Pocket to the shores of Orange Beach, at all points in between, an insider's perspective on Alabama politics, it's the Jeff Poor Show. >I don't think Hank done it this way. >No. >Good morning. Welcome to the Jeff Poor Show. If we talk, what it was, 6'5". Welcome to Tuesday. We made it one day into the week. So congratulations. That's an accomplishment by any stretch of the imagination. So anyway, coming up on today's program, State Rep. Terry Collins going to be with us in about a half hour. She is from Decatur, but she's the chairwoman of the House Education Policy Committee. And you've heard us talk about this over the last, I don't know, maybe a year and a half or so. The Literacy Act in Alabama requires third graders to read at a third grade level to continue on to the fourth grade, what did they say, and from the third grade and before you're learning to read it, from the fourth grade forward you're reading to learn. So if you can't read at a third grade level, you can't learn. So they were going to retain those students and say, "Hey, you guys got to catch up on your reading. Why don't you stay back a year in the third grade until you're where you need to be?" And there was a bunch of huffing and puffing and it was unfair and punitive towards children and we had COVID and why would you do this and then the sort of conversation that was going on out there was, "Well, what's really going on here is how bad a job some of these schools are doing and these teachers who are protected by the Alabama Education Association," and they didn't want that, that to be kind of the argument here that, "Whoa, you really, guys, you're not doing your job." So it was delayed, delayed, delayed, and finally when it was sent to go into effect, the allegation I suppose was that they had lowered the standard. What does it mean to read at a third grade level? So anyway, we'll talk to Representative Collins also, she's kind of spearheading the IVF. You heard us talk to Representative Fiddler yesterday about this. At some point, the Alabama legislature's got to do some really, really, I guess, comprehensive and it's going to be tough on in vitro fertilization and it's just because for whatever reason Alabama has to be ground zero here, and well, just to kind of catch you up, guys, in case you haven't been keeping it up with this, a couple of years ago, there's an IVF clinic in Mobile and they decided at the time to put there, to have their clinic there at the Mobile and firmware, April, Spring Hill Avenue. During COVID, allegedly, there was a homeless man or somebody who was just wandering around the hospital and wound up on whatever floor the IVF clinic is, and just walked into where they store, what they call a nursery, did they, they were storing the embryos. What they do is they fertilize it in a kind of a petri dish situation and then try to create an embryo there, and then once it gets going, they will freeze it, for when the time is right that you can put it in a woman's body, somebody plants to her uterus, and somebody stumbled in on the street or a patient or something and just started like, took, just decided to pick up one of these dishes with these embryos stored at it and got freezer burnt because they're so cold and it shattered and you lost those embryos. So the parents of those embryos took the clinic and the infirmary to court, and the court had to deal with this, it was a difficult question, what kind of value do we assign to an embryo? Is it a human life or is it like property? Is it like a pet or something else? And the Alabama Supreme Court in a civil case made it a wrongful death claim, went back to Alabama's statute on wrongful death and applied it because they weren't going to say it was property. They said it was a human life and therefore, and as you might imagine, the controversy there, it would be people reacting to it, you know, like, "Oh my gosh, you're calling out a human life," and then the fallout was as such that IVF clinics, well, we can't operate without this uncertainty and Republicans are just anti-IVF or whatever it was. So that now was the struggle there, and then they finally came to some kind of resolution temporarily, a temporary fix in the Alabama legislature acknowledging that ultimately the legislature would do something much more comprehensive, and it deals with the questions of like how many embryos can a clinic produce or, well, I just saw guardrails there regulating the industry. So we'll talk to Representative Collins about that as well. Also on the program, state senate, president, pro temp, Greg Reed, I've had a chance to catch him with him in a long, long time, but he's going to make time for us today and talk about the, just sort of the session in review of what lies ahead, and I am kind of curious to hear what he thinks of all this, the lingering gambling discussion. I heard Senator Albertenold Johnson show yesterday, but there's a lot of other things going on besides gambling in Alabama, and we'll talk to him about that, and just what kind of the ebb and flow of the legislature these days. And then finally, we do it every Tuesday, Alabama Republican Party Chairman, John Wall, will be with us. We're getting closer and closer to the Republican National Convention, Republicans, despite some of these mild setbacks, like a 34 count conviction in a New York court, still looking pretty good. Here's what you're not hearing, guys, and this I think is pretty telling. You're not hearing you from down ballot candidates who are just worried, worried, worried about Trump being at the top of the ticket. Oh, no, I can't win with Trump at the top of the ticket. Now, a fascinating thing, I'll say about the dynamics of these electoral politics, where is an incumbent Democrat, U.S. Senator, and where Biden is lagging in the polls. He is, and I don't know that I necessarily buy this, but some of these surveys show these Democrat incumbents up big, yet Biden's still way, way behind or way behind, maybe a few points behind Donald Trump, and they had to head presidential match up in that state. There's a lot of disparity there, what's going on there, and Democrats are souring on Joe Biden. So let's do it. We'll talk about that with Chairman Wall, so make sure that you stay tuned for that. A couple of things here, I guess the big news, and I don't know what to think of this. The Julian Assange release, and he's going to marry on our islands, is going to plead guilty and they go off to Australia, and then what happens? What do y'all think of that? I am not a big proponent, say, of calling Julian Assange in WikiLeaks like journalists and journalism. I think there is a level of filter there that journalists do, and these are just kind of document dumps, but was it ever something that he should have been jailed for or whatever? I mean, this is, but this is the big news, and guys also keep in this mind on that WikiLeaks stuff. There was a wall before the WikiLeaks dump, before the 2016 election, long long before that, was him releasing documents that just kind of disclosed the locations and names of those serving in Afghanistan, and putting them in harm's way. So mixed feelings on that, I guess, it just depends. We don't know a whole lot, but we know he was flying back. He's in Bangkok now, he's going to fly to the Mariana Islands, and then back to Australia. But it's been a, it's been a heck of a ride for Julian Assange. Two, five, one, three, two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six. Hit me up on that text line, comment, complete, suggestion, whatever it is, it's all in your mind. I was appreciate the feedback. See, Montgomery crime continues to be ridiculous, and I'm surprised this hasn't said a lot more people off. So Montgomery, if you've ever spent time there, you'll notice a lot of green rooftops downtown Montgomery. Wow, they've really coordinated the architecture here. Well, the green rooftops are RSA buildings. RSA builds these buildings, and the state and other entities lease the space, they rent the space, but there's just a bunch of these buildings, and one of those buildings yesterday, the victim of gunfire, downtown Montgomery, you're, you're hearing from people, I think that the crime problem, and I don't think mobiles necessarily immune to this, but mark my word, the hotter it gets, the deeper we get into suburbs, the worst this crime is going to get, and you have a mayor in Montgomery, thank God Stephen Reed is in Montgomery and not mobile. Because he is just absolutely in over his head, but he's like, he's getting into Twitter fights with people right now, like, like the minutes after a murder and WSA to their credit has been really aggressive, putting a lot of the crime out there that's going on in this in our state capital, WSA is a TV affiliate up there, the NBC affiliate in Montgomery, making sure that every, every violent crime is just some kind of notice. I think this is a trend and you won't be immune to it in your neck of the woods likely, but we just seem to go through these crime sprees in the middle of summer, and I don't think it's immune to even like, you know, beyond the borders of Alabama, but people, this time there's not like a cause associated with it with like the Black Lives Matter or Ferguson or any of that, not to say that there won't be one that's engineered later on down the road, but the more you see this criminal activity go on around the country, the harder it is going to be from Joe Biden, he won a reelection campaign. The nation is just, it's suffering, the streets aren't safe. That's really the situations really deteriorated on the streets and the inner cities in the last four years, and then you have all the economic headwinds, just have a general despair around the country, and that's, that's going to show up at the ballot whether Democrats like it or not. And they can say it's not as they get that dot the con, but that kind of work guys, we'll be right back. I'll find a place to risk my spirit if I can, I'll find a place to risk my spirit if I can. Welcome back to the Jumpboard Show, that's a dog 1065, they just stick it with us on this Tuesday morning, 2513430106 is the text line, you need to be in touch with the show, you text me, that's how we kind of communicate back and forth, it just works better. We could maybe someday we'll be able to do calls, but for now it's, it's the text line. See here, Bonsal, the election is more of a dog and pony show, honestly, if actually feels like the intro into a WWE cage match lately, or some of all, our own governor would even stand up for a gas station, hot dog freedom, circle care for you to tear down the walls of injustice. And our hot dogs lacking delicious chili and a cheese dispenser, look, hey, I mean, no, we won't stand for this. Save the hot dog Alabama versus chili cheese. Next, it's your land, we'll leave that right there. Hayden, right says, Jeff, they have lowered the passing grade to 60 in Mobile County. That's how they keep the graduation rate up. I don't, I don't, I mean, this is also confusing to me because when they're talking about these tests, like I know what the heck they're talking about, like, like, like it's just common knowledge, you know, you know, the, the XYZ percentile and like, I'm never taking a third grade reading proficiency test. So anyway, we will, we'll try to get some more clarity on that. Tim, Jeff, what are your thoughts on the presidential debate? I think it'll be possibly three against one, lots of format is set up to help Biden probably. So, but that's what you had to know you were going into by doing a CNN debate. It'll be, I mean, I don't know what you're thinking here with Joe Biden, though, and doing this. I mean, there's, I think it's a much more of a risky proposition for Biden than it is for Trump. Let's, let's kind of lay it out here. Biden's doing the debate because he sees he's in trouble and he needs something. Trump's doing a debate because, wow, who would have thought that Biden would have do a debate and he's probably going to freeze up or wander off stage and know what knows really how this is going to play out. Um, dirt digger. I think a great teacher told my mother I need to be held back because my reading skills were not up to grade level for me to pass. So the teacher in the next year, in second grade class, I was the A grade student. That teacher could not understand why I was held back. Uh, art, you know, I say when talking about the crime of the government, why didn't you drag RSA into that conversation zero relationship to what you were trying to talk about? I think you were trying to just not a good job, buddy. Yeah, why are you so touchy of art and so touchy about RSA there? No, I, here's why I brought up RSA and I kind of ran out of time and there's nothing about RSA, critical of RSA. I didn't get David Bronner like, Hey, now you're like impacting my product. Maybe having the weight of David Bronner saying, Hey, Steven, read, get your act together means something. Uh, the RSA stuff is important because it is, it is this criminal activity showing up in a place of Montgomery that's hasn't shown up though. The woman who was paralyzed in the crossfire of a drive by that was out in Atlanta, highway, the big shooting the other night, Saturday night was up north in part of Montgomery when you start seeing, and this is why I brought up RSA art and you don't like it. I started radio off, but when you start seeing this sort of things spill over into the capital district there to go hill and these lawmakers are personally impacted by it. I, I think when the powerful are threatened by the violence, because we need to watch for a more proactive response from those in power. And I, I mean, like if, if it looks like the state house is threatened or the capital is threatened with the governor calling the national guard. That's why I brought it up. Like I said, I don't really know why you take issue with the dimension of RSA, but I will continue to mention RSA throughout the program today. Two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six, we'll be right back. That never was a cat-a-like cat, he said something, just glitter and shine. Welcome back to the Jet Force show, and if I'm talking about oh six, five, thanks for sticking around on us Tuesday morning, you want to give me a touch of the program, keep the text coming up, I will, I got a bunch of texts here, I will get to those shortly, I promise, so the feedback is appreciated, still a couple of the program, about an hour from now out of the state Senate, President, President Greg Reed will be with us, I haven't heard from him in a long time, but he's making time for us today. And then at 11 o'clock hour, our Republican Party Chairman John Wall will spend some time with us as he does every week. So that's coming up on the program this morning, but joining us now, one of my favorite guests, he's always very kind to talk to this audience down in Mobile, but state representative Terry Collins is on the line with us, representative, good morning, how are you? Good morning, Dad, I'm doing well, how are you? Live in the dream, as I like to tell people. Live in the dream, I love it. Well, before we get into the, what I wanted to have you on for, the obligatory question, do you recover from the 2024 legislative session yet? I would say no, I'm still trying to recover. I have been all over doing legislative updates and describing it as really one of the worst I've ever had, but anyway, it was just so contentious the whole time, but I am working on getting over it. How about that? There's a positive response there. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was, I know it was contentious, but I mean, sometimes the Alabama legislature is, but I tell you from that the halfway point, right after the softball game all the way to the end, it was like kind of an intensity, like you sit on your edge of the seat, wait to see what's going to come, what the next thing's going to happen. And this is just me kind of sitting on the outside. Like it was, it was always high stakes, and I don't ever remember anything like that. Maybe with the exception, going back to like when Republicans first took over back in 2010-2011. But even then Jeff, the Senate and the House were on the same page. You know, back in those days, they'll march and like, covered, they were aligned. And so that's how we were able to get as much done was we were all on the same page. And this year, I felt like the Senate and the House were not aligned ever on anything. So I, I'm sorry if I grand sentence with me, did that. But anyway, as I've talked to people, I said, one of the things that made it so odd was, I felt like the first few weeks in the house, we just talked about gambling. We got gambled on. And then the next three weeks were really IVF. And then the next two weeks were Birmingham Southern. And then those workforce fields came out that really needed a lot of work on them. And then it just gambling was all over it. So it was contentious the whole time, I felt like. Right. Yeah, I think you're spot on well, on the, on the, like, you've seen this before. There's always kind of divisions within that building. And sometimes it's Senate, well, sometimes it's Republican Democrat traditionally, but sometimes it's North versus South after BP. This house versus Senate thing, you think it's just kind of, this is just something we're just going through now and ultimately it would be resolved. I really hope so. I mean, you know, my Senator Senator Orr, and I worked really well with Senator Orr. So that's great. I heard you say you've got Pro Tem Reid coming out and I worked, you know, individually, I work well with almost all the senators. I just felt like this year we were never on the same page. Does that make sense that that's how it felt? Okay, that's the way it seemed. And then, I mean, even when it didn't seem like there was a back and forth, it's just like, it seemed like two separate worlds. You go upstairs to the Senate and then back down to the house and it's like two very, very contrasting narratives, like two very different things. And not that that's that unusual, but just it was like two different planets at times. No, I agree. That's how it felt to me as well. And things that we would hear were sailing through and everybody was good and then they would just stop in the Senate and it was because of those two different, I don't know, commentary streams are two different. We just didn't have the same agenda and in order to get a lot done through the legislature, we really need to have similar agendas. And in addition to that, it wasn't just like Republicans fighting with Republicans because even like the Democrats, the House members on the Democrats side were kind of put off with Senator Smith and you know, there was a side drama there, but it really was the two chambers, wasn't it? It really was. It was just, it was, it was an every year is very unusual. Every year is different, but this one was, it was, it was just bad. I don't know what else to say, it was just bad. Well, hopefully better times ahead. Let's kick it off here and I kind of understand, well, I'll just say I don't understand for the sake of this segment, but like the, I understand the literacy act and that came together and it got put off a few times and ultimately it went into effect, but the idea that third graders need to read at a third grade level to go on to the fourth grade because at third grade and before that you're, you're learning to read and then from fourth grade forward, you're reading to learn. So you've got to have a certain mastery of a reading comprehension at a certain age to proceed and continue with the learning experience. So the literacy act came to be to kind of make sure that you have that in place. Well, I guess the, the question would be, and then I don't, I saw you on with Todd Stacey the other night, kind of walking through this, so changes into testing, you know, that some are saying that standards are lower, but we kind of walk us through where we were and what the anticipation or the expectations were and where we are now. I'm glad to do that. And I can see from the out cloud that it would be very confusing. And one of the things I said, we passed the literacy act in 2019 and from 2019 from the time we passed it until even this year, I have continued to say, we really have been, it's like we're building the plane while we're flying it. In other words, in a perfect world, you would get everything in place. You would have your professional development, all your teachers prepared. You would have your core curriculum so that all of our standards and our curriculum were high. You would know what your testing was. But we didn't do it that way. We decided it's too important and so what we did, the literacy task force was working on what the high good curriculum looked like, what that core would look like, what testing would look like, what, I mean, they had to go through everything and our teachers were going through professional development while we were raising those standards the whole time. And I've read some of those things about lower standards and our standards weren't lower. Our standards have been raised. One of the things that changed two years ago was that we added an extra dimension to the literacy test that the third graders had to take and it made it a little bit harder and so they changed that cut score. And my, everyone I respect that was looking at it was telling me it was really pretty much a level change because of the difference in the hardness of that test and the difference in the strength and the rigor of that test. And the day board had to choose where the cut score would be and so I said I would support them and I did. Now I support them with the caveat. I was told we would raise that level every year. They went through what they called two standard measures of deviation and I hope that by this next year we will only use one so that we will continue to raise that bar every year for our students. And I think that's a great thing. We are having more success with our students reading now than we've ever had and that's what we want to do and at the end of the day that's the direction we want to go. Now the standards will evolve over time. I mean do you anticipate that, do you anticipate kind of figuring this out as we go along? I don't see the standards evolving over time. What I was referring to is when they pick a cut score they use what they call so many percentages of deviation. In other words, they felt like with the cut score if they moved it to 1% less that they felt like 95% of those students that were being promoted were prepared and that we would not be holding anybody back that was actually prepared to go to the fourth grade. That's how they were looking at it and that's what they said. What I would like us to see us do is where that cut score is on that testing to continue to lift that just a little bit every year until we get all the way to that. We are testing them down in a quadrant, one, two, three, four, three and four are definitely grade level. Two, which is somewhere where our cut score is, is less than grade level, but is cut score is sufficient, sufficient to promote and so I believe those students are good. I think that we'll continue to work with them. We put money in the budget to work with those that were held back in a different way and then to work with those that were promoted but still may be struggling with some areas of breeding. Say you don't get the test score you need the first time around, there is a track to get you called up in time to continue on to the fourth grade. There are actually four different things on that very first ACAP test that came back and you know it had to improve I think three years ago they said like 22% of the students would have been held back last year, 17% and this one year went all the way to 9% or all that were on that level of being held back potentially. Well the other four chances they get is first of all they can take the test again, second they can go to summer school and most of the time those that went to reading camp by the end of that camp they're prepared and they're ready to go on and move. I had my local superintendent said he felt like almost all of ours would be prepared because that's how good that summer reading camp is. There's also a level of students that have an exception like if they're English language learners or if they have special needs they're an IEP or 504 and so there are multiple opportunities and lastly students have a portfolio where teachers can see because sometimes you just test poorly but they know you really do know how to read because you've proven it in another area. So those are the four ways. Jeff I'm getting all in the weeds and I don't know if that's how they wanted to go. No no it's very informative and there's a lot of interest in this but I want to move on to one thing and I know I didn't tell you to ask you about this so the school choice bill to choose ACAP, are you pretty much satisfied with where that is? I think they're working on it right now you know the Department of Revenue is setting up a lot of the promulgation of the rules and this is new and different for some of the things that they've done but I think we're moving in a good direction. I'm not hearing pushback from anybody on that. I'm not getting and so I feel like we're preparing and we're getting ready. You know it's a 25-26 start and so we've got this year to get that you know prepared for it and I believe we're moving in a good direction so I feel good. I got to notice last week that three new charter schools are coming online and they look like they're going to be really good. I know our scholarships increased so I think we still have lots of good options and I look forward to the shoes that I had even added to those. Finally Representative and we have one of your colleagues on Jennifer Fiddler yesterday talking about this I mean the IVF fix and what needs to be done or where you're at. There's a process underway right now now I know a lot of the details there's probably not a whole lot to talk about there but there is something in the works correct? What I will say is I know I personally in front like I toured about three weeks ago in IVF clinic and it's really all different types of fertility clinic it's what it is and it was very interesting and Jeff is someone who had never been familiar with that. I found it all very informative I was really glad to go and do that. We're also researching any laws or things that have come from other states that other states are doing I know I've talked to some that believe we need to pass something else and then I've talked to Senator Nelson who was the sponsor in the Senate and he doesn't believe we need to do anything else so I think there's just a lot of discussion around it right now but I don't think anything's set in stone or that we have a clear direction of what we want to do as we move forward but we are working on it we're still talking about it we're still learning more about the process and what regulations and what parameters are already out there. I mean because the by understanding was what you did this last session was kind of a band aid and something else would have to come back I mean that hasn't been determined yet then. That was my interpretation when we started it Jeff and that's where I think we're going to go. I do think I've got several people that believe we're going to have to do something else but but there's not a direction for that something else yet. Well representative it's right now I will say this the clinic got toured and the others all but unfortunately the one that was in Mobile they are still opening families are still able to have you know work on growing their families especially those that have not been able to and I think as a state that feels very much in favor of pro-life and pro family I think that we're still but how did the things we were able to do this session they families are still able to work through closer to home those issues. Representative we got to leave it there we're out of time but I really do appreciate you coming on and hopefully we catch up again soon. I will live for you it thank you Jeff have a great rest of the day. You do the say and that was state representative Terry College there we got to get a break and here we'll be right back this is the chapter show on at the talk 10065. From Carolina down to Georgia, smell the Tasman and Magnolia, sleep is sweet home, Alabama, roll tight roll, muddy water, Mississippi, blessed Graceland whispers to me. Welcome back to the jump four show of the talk 10065 thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning 2513430106 would be a touch with the program please utilize the text lion silicone in the next hour Greg Reed is the president of the Alabama Senate look forward to that discussion so make sure you stay tuned for that John. It seems like you see us from the last hour the holiday season also brings a spike in crime well it's a different kind of crime but as far as like the the violence on the streets I mean think about Ferguson and think about the BLM protest and and all of those going back to the past they tend to occur in the summer months and they particularly tend to occur in presidential election cycles although I'm not really seeing a whole lot that makes me think these guys are really trying to time these things together but I think what you see the Montgomery I don't know what it is it's just a hot summer night and sort of the impact of that I think is I don't know well maybe we have somebody can kind of explain this to us basically people are out and about more there's no school I don't know but bad things tend to happen the worst of the bad things to happen a lot of times in the summer Paul remember how badly Trump did in the first debate in 2020 yeah but like Trump's now a pro at this I guess he was a pro before he tried to be in 2020 those debates to me he was trying to use his 2016 primary tactic crowded stage very aggressive little Marco and on the boring or sleepy Jeb or whatever but you can't really take that tack in a presidential debate we'll be right back this is after the talk one oh six five from Bucks pocket to the shores of Orange Beach at all points in between an insider's perspective on Alabama politics it's the Jeff Port show I don't think this way welcome back to the Jeff Port show of the talk but oh six five days you stay with us on this Tuesday morning text line 2513430106 you want to be in touch with the show all you got to do is text me and I will respond to whatever it is that is on your mind silicone of the program about a half hour from now Senator Greg Reed from he's from Walker County Jasper to be precise but he's also the president of the Alabama Senate and kind of he is the top guy there's the president pro Tim and then there's the majority leader minority leader and so on and so forth so we'll hear from senator Reed in about 30 minutes from now back to the text line I want to get these knocked out real quick uh Tim writes this jet the mobile kind of school war spends all the money on sports when new football fields are putting ash or turf on the existing fields and we got kids who can't read are we losing focus on the actual purpose for schools in the first place probably but I want to just bear with me here and I'm not making excuses or any of this I find that the high school athletics it's it's it's important on a number of levels maybe it's a a way to keep some of these students engaged hey you want to play you want to start Friday night you need to get that D to C or whatever it is you better do your homework it keeps people forces in to have more skin in the game if you know what I mean that's number one but number two and I don't know I mean I think this is true for mobile county but I think it's also true universally around Alabama the the the high school athletics most of the time high school football but occasionally a basketball or baseball it ties the community together it is it's what binds communities in this state I mean even the worst of the inner cities take pride in their high school athletics it's it's the identity of the community so I mean I'm not making excuses here and not saying that this is not a this is the right way to use resources but it's what people in those communities want if they pay taxes if they vote even if you and I think it's misguided the other people in the community see it as something that's very important you know be it real town or Prichard a Geraldine and Fife or TR Miller WSDL me act these these high school rivalries that are it's the only thing going on in that town is what's the towns known for it in their high school athletics so like I said I don't necessarily not not saying this is a good way to go but there's a valid explanation for why him why school boards and mobile county in particular lean so hard into spending money on high school athletics anything about like a big system like mobile I mean let's just the same idea like why does Williamson need a stadium when they have a lot of people's right down the street or whatever right it's just it's important to those people as misguided as it seems to you and I I get it Keith Jeff those day lobbyists are going to have to do a better job controlling every corralling everyone together and getting them on the same page I tell you what's going on Keith and you're you're not that far off there are lobbyists all over that building but some have like a specialized I mean they all have their own interest but what I think is important here Keith is like I think you have like kind of competing lobbyists like you have somebody who's a like a really good lobbyist dealing with the Senate and they have another guy is a really good lobbyist dealing with the House and they're not always on the same page at all damn Yankee one year better test scores reading does not make a fixed education Alabama give it a four year cycle before claiming victory well we can we can we can celebrate progress damn Yankee now and if it's an anomaly then they'll have to go back to the drawing board I do think you could celebrate a little what once you start seeing a trend there on a texture you just said Trump some pro at debates what was the last time he debated these are pro at debates because you know whether it's performances up to snuff or whatever but this is his third presidential cycle a name texture he went through it is 16 20 and 24 he's right now one in one with round three yet to be determined best of three here I suppose so when I say he's a a pro I mean he he's not he's not new to this then either is Biden Biden how many types of Biden ran for president but to be head to head against the nominee of the other party Donald Trump has definitely done it more than Joe Biden Joe Biden had what the he had to vice presidential debate he got to take on Sarah Palin Paul Ryan didn't running for president I mean he was up on that stage even went before that what Obama ran remember Joe Biden's run for president a few ties before he finally broke through and then as vice president for Donald Trump just a third time around I think we can say he's of that James I think you give Trump too much credit as a debating expert I can't wait to see what questions Biden has I agree with the most Republican pundits Trump should not debate it's going to be an embarrassment for Trump you're insane James is there any reason to think that Joe Biden's gonna wile us Thursday night I mean I mean I mean you not been watching the news did you see Normandy there or wherever it was he just kind of wanders off there's some issues there I don't know that Trump's gonna wile us either but head to head if I'm a betting man my money is certainly on Trump I don't I don't see what do you think it's gonna happen here James between now and then it's going to make Joe Biden better than Trump and I'm basing this mostly on just what's going on what we've seen on TV got an automated text dear Daniel says good morning Jeff or good morning Daniel toothless bammer Jeff do you remember oh six oh seven somewhere during that time school boarder county was trying to pass a bond issue for schools proponent use that argument about sports be shut down and mobile involved and pass a very little opposition hey yeah I know I mean oh six oh seven I remember I remember when Riley tried to pass the big tax increase and they threatened high school athletics but look why into this paper this is what's important why do they do that why do they threaten high school sports whatever they want to raise your taxes for education because they know that people care about that they that works that works better than sad to say hey we think your your your your kids test scores are too low they're not achieving the results we would like to see but the reason is we just do not have the resources to educate your child so we're going to ask for more money from you and most people like no way but if you so well where I take money out of the high school athletic budget because you won't part ways with your higher property taxes or whatever it moves the needle that's why people do it they do it because it works I want to put them on a texture button only has to be energetic watch there's probably some truth to that I don't know what they're going to pump him up if it's going to be state of the Union level stuff he can overdo it Joe Biden over does it a lot I don't know how this is going to go guys but I did there's just based on what we've seen why why should I be like yeah Joe Biden's going to do great and best it's an unknown at worst it's going to be a disaster I don't know why you would be optimistic at this point now now Donald Trump's performance Donald Trump said one bad debate and it seems like everybody is like hey he's going to have one bad one more bad debate he's better be careful he's had like six or seven good debates one bad debate is there any reason to think that like I said what are you basing on Trump's gonna stumble Michael what's the other over under on how many times Biden will blink during the debate I put around five oh probably a few more than that these these could be long and drawn out finally the light at the end of the tunnel here I told you I'd make it through these a couple minutes of spare I still say there should be a two-bait the requirement for all candidates running for elected office anywhere in the United States just they're never I don't think so because sometimes John I did there's people up there who have no business running for that office and people could be pretty much happy with whatever whoever I mean there's ways to get around that rule if you try to impose that hey we haven't seen Trump debate like I said in a while some of you are pointing that out since 2020 because he sat out the he sat out the twenty twenty two or twenty twenty four cycle he didn't go head to head with the Santas or Nikki Haley or any of those guys rama swami there's no reason to use got a win and he won he won overwhelmingly but I don't know if you watch the Trump rally lately I mean they're still compelling it feels more like the sixteen Trump than the twenty Trump the twenty twenty Trump in those rallies and then the ones that followed his election lost the twenty twenty were kind of angry so I don't know I just I think getting back to that sixteen kind of frame of mind locking the circumstances and saying things that are kind of off the cuff but in politics work for him he needs to get back to that we'll be right back this is FM talk one oh six five you got to know when to hold up know when to fold up know when to walk away know when to run you never count your money when you're sitting at the table there'll be time and look back to the Jeff poor showed up to talk about those six five twenty four minutes after the hour on this Tuesday morning Greg Reed come up in the next segment so please stay tuned Dave with some radio pointers for me I'm so looking forward to this I think radio personalities like yourself Jeff are allowed to have a small amount of humor in your presentation about as Jeff you make me laugh a lot you get so worked up some of us performative but like would you listen to this show if I was not I mean if it was just like welcome to all things considered and there was like a little bit of light orchestral music or maybe a string quartet in the background maybe some trumpet voluntary or whatever playing in the background to make me sound more sophisticated and we were talking about the plight of the Sudanese elephant because of increased carbon in our atmosphere causing man made climate change that 67 out of 68 scientists say is going on what what shall we do to get those wascally Republicans on board with our climate change mitigation efforts I would you I mean I don't know some people would like that I'll see dirt nigger Joe S hunter what he needs to pep in his step they might find some nose candy in the White House or camp David Joe by now coked up would be would be a sight to see but I don't know this ticker can handle that much of a jolt any texture jazz curious what do you think Trump will announce his VP running mate before during after Thursday's debate I keep hearing it's going to be this week here's what I if Trump has a bad debate if it's a really bad debate I think he makes the announcement on Friday after the debate goes will you be talking about the VP nominee or you will be talking about his performance in the bit to debate just foot joke was funny yesterday that from Paul I don't remember the foot joke anyway and then finally Tim Jeff what do you think Trump and his team is going to do to stop them for trying to go big boy him in a debate you mean CNN and Biden I I think Biden be out of it I think he's really going to be debating the moderator that that's unless be honest like at some point I think the American people are going to be like they're going to be like I don't know guys like this is this is kind of sad you have some to feel sympathy for Joe Biden but you're not going to feel sympathy for anybody Jake Tapper right I mean that guy's kind of a I'll say he's a douchebag he's always been one even when he was at ABC I mean people didn't know him back then but he's just got more insufferable as a as a CNN guy even before that it was awful like Washington city paper it's kind of bounced around different news places but finally he got his big break as the White House correspondent for the Bush White House and he was perceived to be the only guy giving Bush a fair shake when he was White House correspondent for ABC News but he just got bought off by CNN and he got to let his true colors shine again and he's it's a it's like a an air superiority with that guy and he a date a bash the other moderator I mean if you ever watched any of the morning shows on CNN state of the Union she could be just as insufferable so that's the Trump's smart show pity for Biden and make data bash and Jake Tapper out to be the villains probably is a good approach I don't know if it's the best but something to think about we'll be right back this is FHib talk one oh six five a couple guys in first class on a fly from New York to Los Angeles kind of make look back to the Jeff Port showing if I'm talking 106 five things are sticking with us on this Tuesday morning we do appreciate it tech slide you'll get in touch with the show it's two five one three four three zero one zero sixty to be a touch of the program all you gotta do is text me and I keep my pledge here do my best to respond to whatever it is that you are is on your mind so keep them coming we always appreciate the feedback still come on this morning's program Alabama Republican Party chairman John wall about an hour from now he is our Tuesday regular so stay tuned for that but joining us now a very glad he can make time for us are always appreciative when he does come on the program but he is the president pro tip of the Alabama state Senate Senator Greg Reed pro tip good morning how are you good morning jail parry you sir doing well doing well thanks for coming on and it's become kind of a standard tradition here whatever I have a lawmaker on at this point in time have you recovered from the twenty twenty four legislative sessions sir listen man I'm I'm still in the process of recovery but things were great we had a really exciting session a lot of focus on conservative government and policies that are important to Albanians and Alabama values so it was it was an intent session but we had a good session with some good outcomes and but I'm in the process of trying to catch up with a few things around my district I've had areas in my district in Northwest Alabama that have been really important so I spent a good bit of time with constituents and folks in my area and that's been fun over the last month or so so I'm excited to be with you here today to kind of talk about some of our accomplishments well let's start there you know you got a lot done that first half and I'm telling you I mean it was you could have stopped about the time of the softball game and called it a year and probably had a it wouldn't have been the best session but it wouldn't have been a terrible session but it went from there the intensity senator once we got passed a halfway point it felt like the entire rest of the session you're just sitting on the edge of your seat because everything was kind of like I mean who knew what was going to happen what was it like from your point of view well I think that was that was true they were you know it's it's trying to make laws and defend the values of alabanyans and that's always intent and you got conflict you got issues on both sides the democrats have a focus on issues important to them with the republicans have our focus and ideas that are important and so you look for intensity within the session that's always a little bit of the process but I would agree with you that there were a lot of issues that were in this session that made the session in general be a little more intense maybe than what I have seen in times past you know one of the things that we did with this session and this was intentional by the republican caucus is that we had several issues I guess we kind of classified them as red meat issues topics that were of significance to republicans and our constituency across the state of Alabama that we wanted to make sure we got done so we kind of blocked out time really that first five weeks of the legislative session we went in session every day during that five week window to deal with some some pretty heavy topic that were important to our members important to alabanyans so you're right by the time we got to the break or by the time we got the softball game kind of the middle of the session it had been pretty intense already and we had worked on a lot of things that were very important to our membership so I was I was proud of it but it wasn't easy well it felt like you know early on at least it was more like accomplishing unresolved things from the past couple of years and I mean we could throw out school choice but the device of concepts and so on and so forth even the ballot harvesting issue getting those boxes checked because these have been things and sometimes you know it does take a few years to get it just right to where everybody could kind of call us around one of these big big bills so that's the way it looked to me from the outside looking in well I think you're exactly right I mean what we did in a very methodical process as Republicans we went through a grouping of about 12 or 14 different significant atoms that we wanted to work on and you're right some of these had been issues that had been conflicted in the past they had held on for a year or two that had been some topics that had been discussed it seemed like everybody had kind of coalesced around specific items we took some polling from our membership to say hey what are the things that are most important to you and the member said hey these are the items and so we took those we were in solidarity with our caucus and said alright everybody's strapping and here we go we're going to deal with these issues and you're right it was you know divisive concepts the ballot harvesting issue on securing Alabama's elections you know a piece of legislation that was important to me I carried this piece of legislation called the parents right to know I mean obviously educators do a great job in educating our children we want to be helpful and supported as much as possible but we want parents to have the right to know what their kids are learning at school and having that information provided on a website and a process where parents could offer a question if they wanted to or even a complaint that would move up through the system to the Department of Education and eventually to the legislature was a process that our members felt was very important and we got great feedback from parents great feedback from educators that had an attitude that said the more information we provide to parents the more engaged they are in can be in their children's education and the more involved parents are with their kids learning then the better the outcomes are across the board so that was an issue you had some conflict to it but he got some high marks has been a real positive piece of legislation but those were the kinds of things that you know that we we worked hard on we had another topic that was a conflicted topic between several groups excuse me but this was an issue associated with property tax assessment caps we had a situation where real estate prices had gone up significantly in the state in different areas right and you are having people that their taxes had gone up on their property you know 20 and 30 and 40 percent in a year and that was an issue that we just felt like had to have some controls on it there was a lot of negotiation related to that but we wound up in a good place where we put a cap on almost tax increases recognizing obviously the value of your property goes up at some level then maybe you have to pay a little more in taxes if that based on the value of your property but some of those values and some of that assessment had just gotten way out of hand and so that was a conflicted topic related to protecting business folks and property owners people's homes that was a big issue it was a it was a hot topic that we we worked through but that was one of those other other topics I think another crazy one that we dealt with in some of the things that we deal with that you will know Jeff you wind up in a place thinking do we really have to pass a law about this you know but a craziness that we had seen out of DC related to Biden administration trying to put restrictions on state in regards to the use of different kinds of appliances where you were trying to tell folks in their own homes that they can't have a gas stove I mean my goodness so we passed legislation called the right to energy options that basically said keep the federal government out of the kitchen and allow folks to buy whatever a plant that they want and use whatever resources they need to cook their own food in their own house and so those kinds of things sometimes you have to scratch your head but in protecting all of Indians related to some of these are overreaching themes from what we see from folks in Washington the Biden administration and Victor those were elements that we worked on to that were really important to our members. Showed by state Senate President Greg Reed here on the program talking about the workforce package it seemed like to me just kind of watching that kind of drop in about halfway was a work in progress tell us typically Senator don't these things kind of come in early like you know the past sessions they were dealt with very on the front end this was unique in that it kind of came on the back end well and again Jeff that was intentional I mean we we had issues like those we just discussed that were very important to our members we felt like they were important to Alabama not that the working for Alabama package was not a priority it obviously was but we wanted to get focus on those other issues first and they were able to work intently to get those accomplished intentionally get those to the side already haven't been accomplished and then move on very aggressively after the break to the working for Alabama package and there was a lot of there was a lot of unity on the working for Alabama package within the Republican Party even Republicans and Democrats had focused on that issue which was focused on workforce participation economic development growth trying to focus Alabama's energies resources on planning for economic development the right way being able to do things from a regional perspective recognizing from an economic development and a workforce growth and a workforce participation element what's going to work in Florence is not more working doses and what's good in Cherokee County may not work in Washington County and so trying to have an attitude with several of the elements that we went through on that package to allow Alabama's efforts to be focused on economic growth and on training a workforce with something that was super important and I think the overall attitude of the working for Alabama plan basically look to answer the next question which was last year we did the incentive packages which are some of the most aggressive incentives to attract industry corporate headquarters manufacturers to Alabama and if you're aggressive with that program the next question that these folks that are investing hundreds of millions of dollars in Alabama for instance are going to ask is how can you guarantee me that I'm going to have a workforce today and a workforce 10 years and 25 years from now if I'm going to come and put my manufacturing facility in North Alabama or in South Alabama how can I be comfortable with that and I think that was one of the issues that we tried to work on answering which was an ongoing plan with multiple elements in it that were basically answering that question for investors that Alabama is a great place to be great values strong work ethic and we're going to have a plan working with educators high school two year college four year college industry understanding what industries asking for what they need regionally across the state and be able to put our best foot forward in making sure we had a trained workforce and I think one of the most interesting elements of that package was the workforce diploma basically the telekid in the ninth or tenth grade if you want to be a machinist or you want to be a welder are you want to work in industrial maintenance we've got a program and a plan that will allow you to be able to move forward have conjunction at the end of your high school years with a junior college in your community to where you're going to get workforce training you're going to have dual enrollment scholarship and we're going to wind up with these bright brilliant kids that are 18 and 19 years old coming out of high school with a workforce diploma and certificates for their area of trade specialty and going to be able to go to work making a significant income no debt no opportunity for them to have to wait around before they go to work with with significant skills go right into apprentice programs right into job opportunities and I think it will make a world of difference not only in the lives of those kids and their family and their future families but it will impact Alabama's economy tremendously and so the working for Alabama package was kind of all focused on that how do we get more folks in the workforce how do we wind up making sure that the best training that is possibly available is going to be that for Alabanyans to enjoy and much of our focus is going to be on young people center lastly um the the elephant in the room obviously gambling and it didn't come together a lot of finger pointing especially from your colleagues downstairs but like from your point of view the way that my perception was this and I want to see like it felt like the house in the Senate were never fully on the same page like and this seemed to be the problem in the past when you guys upstairs would pass a bill in the house this is not what we want like is the ultimate solution going to take kind of more of a approach from people from both chambers to get gambling done in the state well I agree that the the differential between what the house was looking for and what the senate was looking for was different and certainly I applaud the house and the speaker of the house they had a very intense program they worked diligently to come up with a package we respected that and the senate kind of stood to decide while they moved forward on elements that were important to them but I had said all along representing the attitude of senate that our membership is not going to be as willing to go um for some of the items that the house had proposed and that element of backing forward with what is to be expected when you're looking at any issue certainly a topic this big was the attitude of the senate willing to do uh gaming legislation to do gambling legislation this session the answer is yes uh it's just that we weren't willing as a senate based on the feedback from our membership we weren't willing to uh embrace all of the concept that the house of representatives house of representatives had proposed so the senate took what the house did we modified it changed it we eliminated some casinos we eliminated uh some other elements of table games and those kinds of things uh the sports betting program some of those things our members just weren't comfortable with and so we fashioned the senate plan senate back to the house in hopes that they would concur on what we said they they didn't do that and and that that was understandable in a lot of ways because they had terrible elements that were important to their membership so i think it's time went along you know we wound up in a place to where this is the house position this is the senate position and we pretty much weren't going to move all those positions to get to an overall compromise but the one thing i can say having been in the legislature for a number of years and basically been in leadership for 10 years uh we we've had legislation in gaining almost every year i've been in the legislature but there was more accomplished this session in understanding exactly where the membership is going to be on this issue and uh you know we'll have to wait to see what the attitude is going to be of the membership and those that are interested in moving some of this legislation again in the next session that will remain to be seen but i think understanding and having now knowledge like it or not where the membership is on the topic i think everybody's got a very good idea the senate is going for a conservative in its approach the house is going to be a little more focused on some of these other elements that they think will raise additional revenues and i'm sure they will so as we move forward kind of see where it goes next uh in regards to the the gambling topic senator uh we're we're real short on time here but uh thanks again for making time for us so let's try to get this uh let's make this happen again soon yeah i appreciate it what you do and letting folks know what we're engaged in is trying to accomplish certainly while we're in session is very important and uh so the factor you invited me to be with you and be with your listeners today's privilege for me though god bless you god to see that you move forward i'll look forward to being with you again thank you senator greg reed there we got to get a break here we'll be right back this is fft talk one oh six five welcome back to the jeff pore show it up and talk one oh six five they should stay with us on what's on on this tuesday morning text finding what would be in touch with the program two five one three four three zero one zero six uh or any reaction anything you heard there um logwinded there from uh the president pro tem but uh we got it in and um the gambling stuff well we see it again just quadrennium and i i don't think so but there's others who uh say else wise and the neighbor uh actually in office uh our buddy garland gudger from north alabama is certainly going to give it a shot but um and this is what it's kind of on the text here well we'll get to that on the other side but i i just the the push for gambling to me is it's astroturf or it's very niche get a library on that on the other side we'll be right back this is the jeff pore show it is talk one oh six five from buckspuckett to the shores of orange beach at all points in between an insider's perspective on alabama politics it's the jeff pore show i don't think this way welcome back to the jeff pore show that for talk one oh six five they just stay with us on this Tuesday morning text line what engage with the program you got a text me two five one three four three zero one zero six and uh we'll respond to the best of our abilities whatever it is that is on your mind uh so the cup john wall i'll be able to public and party chairman will be with us here in about um 40 about 30 minutes or so so stick around for that a couple of texts together the way before we move on uh john wrote this uh ask your guests don't you get tired of year after year leaving the session with a monitoring gambling incomplete this is what millions dollars are lost to our four surrounding states what do you the math here's always been wrong on us what kind of economic activity does gambling generate because you guys think the dollars leave the state but that's you got to like get in a car and go to Tennessee or Florida or Mississippi or Georgia if you want to gamble if you have gambling in Alabama how does this how does it what happens there what does that look like what i mean suddenly if you have the citizens the residents to people in the state taking a certain amount of money whatever percentage of money proceeds earnings etc they put it into gambling what does that does that money where does it go well the dirty little secret is it goes into the pockets of these these casino owners or the porch creek indians or or whoever it may be so you talk about millions leaving the state or billions just lining the pockets of gambling operators in Alabama and the other thing the bothers would be about this look you want to argue that we should have gambling because people ought to be free to do what they want to with their money is one thing but for gosh sakes guys saying that the government needs more money is the reason to do this it makes my hair hurt that we need to spend more money we need to spend more money gambling so the people the bureaucracy in Montgomery and the 67 counties and all the municipalities school systems etc can have more money think about what you say is that conservative to you you're not getting the rebate on your taxes you're not getting anything like that so the justification to say that like this this vice we should legalize it and it's a vice we should we should change the Alabama Constitution to allow for this so that the government can get more money is not a I don't like that justification that now if you're sitting there and you're saying look I earn this money I want to be able to gamble with it and make that argument but stop coming at me with we need it for the school kids or we need it for whatever there's just something very seedy very I just very it's shameful almost um David make sure I says who is the membership based on how many times he said membership leads me to believe the membership that he that's the problem we talk about the membership the House Republican caucus that's his membership he was elected to be the leader of his members his caucus um well no no take that back he's the president for activity entire state senate so that those are his members even the democrats and as per tradition and and the Alabama legislature lately they vote it's a unanimous vote Joel why are you so anti gambling I'm I'm anti gambling the way the state of Alabama the way they want to do it I'm typically anti gambling in general I know I don't think it's what they're selling us look uh if you if gambling is not important to you move go to another state do we have a long standing tradition in this state of trying to snap out gambling and when it came up in phoenix city I mean that's set the state back for potentially a hundred years on gambling but it led to a lot of bad things and people for that reason I think how typically said no to any any expansion of gambling in Alabama and well the other states do it well it's like your mom used to say if all your friends want to jump off the cliff are you going to go jump off that cliff too there's no virtue in this do you want the state of Alabama putting the state of Alabama seal and condoning gambling does that kind of state you want to live in what do you I mean why do you think this is such a good thing that it generates funds for the government we can be different than other states we can be different from a lot of other states in fact I dare say Joel that you probably pride yourself will be in an Alabama and because we are different from other states culturally Alabama's not the same as Georgia Alabama's not the same as Mississippi and then we talk about the lottery guys y'all are being sold a bill of goods on the lottery casino operators sports gambling interest are using your desire for a state lottery to get their foot in the door and these casinos it's not going to be like the Bellagio in Vegas it's not even going to be like the boravagia Galaxy these casinos are not I mean they'll they'll put up a good facade at some of them but if you've never been to Green Tracker victory lead it's sad I don't think this is a good look for the state and you can come at me if you want but I'm not going to budge for that but the bigger picture is the more important thing is you're being told well you just want to write the vote on a lottery but you're voting on so much more and they're not telling you this they're using your desire for a lottery to usher in all this other gambling will just give us a simple lottery or give us a clean lottery you're never going to get that these are like rats fighting over a piece of cheese and I say this over and over again you want gambling in Alabama you got to change the state constitution which is an incredibly difficult thing to do three-fifths majority of both chambers in the vote of the people it came very close in 1999 but the people said no probably a lot of you didn't that were eligible to vote at the time didn't even go out to vote for it the problem in Alabama a lot of times unfortunately is getting people interested in this level of government and that's the biggest reason why you don't have a lottery because you have like 16 17% turnout in republican primaries or at the time the state was still under democrat control and such a small part of the state's electorate participate in that level of politics they're more interested in the presidential to federal politics well things are just that that's why there's this gap this gulf from like what you think the state is politically versus what it is in Montgomery I telling you I they are telling us one thing that did you just did you just want to write the vote on a lottery but you're voting on so much more what you do away with that constitutional amendment you're leaving it up to the Alabama legislature to decide what kind of gambling we're going to have in this state they they may do it a round of enabling legislation that keeps all that away you tell you well the enabling bill doesn't doesn't allow for this like casinos at Baldwin County for example but we saw this with the BP oil settlement we see this all the time i 10 bridge like and it's not necessarily as bad right now as it has been in the past but mobile ball accounting are treated like a runaway province sometimes in the eyes of a lot of establishment of Montgomery and if they see a way to make up a budget shortfall be it Medicaid expansion or whatever by putting a casino on the beach in orange beach they will think they could figure out a way by a simple majority vote the three-fifths number is out the door once you do away with that constitutional amendment and they can pass all these bills and say well we have this amendment that's going to protect Baldwin County from this well that could be done away with with a simple majority once you let go with that constitutional amendment i'm not saying it'll happen but it is that that keeps gambling out of your backyard and the one the one other thing about gambling that bothers me is like not in my backyard but if you want to put it into poorest parts of the state and and take money from the poorest in the state so that the wealthier areas will benefit from it with more education funding what's wrong with you you want to you want to take revenue created by making county and put it in Madison County i mean think about that that's essentially what's going to happen it's not as if people from um i i don't know Georgia or whatever gonna go to Tuskegee to go gamble but that's what that's the way the revenue sharing will be set up so i mean i got a lot of problems with it let's not kid ourselves it is not going to be a lottery only you will never get that but the lottery only stuff has been co-opted it's being used for all of these other things to come along with it and i don't think that's good uh they make it you have a legislature refuses to raise property taxes yet they claim they don't have enough money to have adequate police protection or adequate school or satisfactory road so what's the answer not to mention prisons i think it's up to the local governments on police protection schools i'm always do we have record ETFs and we have a record education budget every single year now how much money do we need we spend we're not we're not at the top of the list here per pupil but we're much higher than a lot of states we're we're mid power lower bid to lower pack there and a low cost of living state the per pupil spending at k-12 education is not at the bottom of the list like the results are i don't think the problem is money and the roads i i to be honest i think there's a lot of mismanagement at the aldot level they're going to come back at you with another gas cash increase but think you did you're going to pass a lottery bill and that's going to fund roads come on dirty air if i were to spend my money i want something in return there's no guarantee gambling if i'm going to bet it will be on myself i am believing my home going to work with all of these people looking at their cell phones and not paying attention under roads the state already gets enough of my money and then i got a couple more gambling right there i'll get to the other side two five one three four three zero one zero six will be right back this is the jeff or show one of them talk one oh six five i gave you my heart and i tried to make it happen and you gave me nothing in return you know it ain't so hard to say would you please just go away welcome back to the jeff or show it up but talk one oh six five eight you're sticking around on this tuesday morning john wall come up in the next segment of programming note come up tomorrow i got joy clerk as all i got on the list right now for tomorrow's program but we will add a couple of guests to be named later twitter.com/chief_poor in case you're wondering who will come up on the show sometime in that eight o'clock hour before we kick off at nine i try to post a guest list john if you're against gambling don't like about tax increases if you're a legislator and you need more money don't ask for a new tax until you ask for a lottery or gambling but what if you find it morally objectionable like taxes are a just just a necessity and in some ways an evil but a reality of life but gambling doesn't have to be we need you got you got to get over this that the state needs more money the state needs to do better with what he gets i think primarily on infrastructure but the prisons and the decision making and just this sort of recklessness they have with the budgeting at the the ado c that uh the governor saying we're going to build these prisons and and it was reckless the way they approached it by not acting sooner you know it would have cost a fraction of what it's costing the state now to build the Elmore and Escamie County prisons and they just done this with the Bentley plan but here we are today and so we're going to get more expensive that's just things get more expensive um and then on name texture the state had a lottery to the state lottery had to destroy Georgia or Florida just proves if Alabama is still backwards just saying the the the reason why Georgia and Florida had successful lotteries is because people from other states came to play them we don't have that many visitors in Alabama even if we had a lottery who come to Alabama to play the lottery you you got to cross state lines you can play in Mississippi this this illusion of like wealth and riches out of a state lottery is fiction it's fiction and it's being used as being sold to you is this like dream but it's being used to bring all this other gambling along with it and it's not as if there's like some wholesome like altruistic a philanthropic thing going on here by bringing in the joys of gambling and they're gonna build so much it's it's because somebody's gonna get rich don't you guys see this do you think when you get those text in the middle of the night randomly telling you to call your state senator and tell them that you want a yes vote on a lottery who do you think is promoting that it is people's skin in the game it's people with an interest what do you what do you think you're when you hear the ads on the station what do you what do you think is doing that just the goodness of people's hearts just to run these commercials to get you to get engaged in the process and they're just like well we just take it be really great to get a lottery no somebody is going to get rich and this is what you need to understand and there's this like notion it is just a bunch of backwards right-wing Christian Bible thumpers telling you how to live your life and you don't you don't have to stand for that and that is not the truth the people who are against gambling in the Alabama legislature who voted against it don't like this one-size-fits-all comprehensive let's put everything in there and make the finest piece of sausage we've ever made and you know Medicaid expansion a gambling commission with unlimited power the devil's in the details and you're not really looking at the details when you come at me saying I just want a lottery let's just send the money to the neighbors states then you may hate the lottery but you also hate Alabama oh don't hate Alabama I like Alabama because it doesn't have gambling this one in the benefits of living here I'm going to see billboards with the powerball audit everywhere here radio ads telling me to buy them play the Alabama lottery why don't you move just stay with the lottery we'll be right back this is the jeff horse show what if it talk about oh six five stayed up late again watching tv with my best friend laughing at late night show I don't know what's wrong with me because I know I need my wrist but I don't stay a about sleep on day eight and my best way back to the jeff horse show that we talked one oh six five days you're sticking around on this Tuesday morning two five one three four three zero one zero six we get to a couple of your uh text here and before the show closes but joining us now is chairman of every republican party and john wall is on the line with us chairman good morning how are you I'm doing well it could be on the show thank you for making time we do a appreciate it uh we'll kick it off here um any any expectations about uh about the thursday night debate all right they seem to be all over the board but i don't know what to expect uh this is really out of ordinary this early in the cycle you know it really is and i think this debate is going to be a very important the corners under the campaign for both candidates this is a make or break moment um especially for joe biden i i think he's been he's got to find a way to explain to the american people why they should still vote for him even though pretty much every one of his policies have been a complete disaster um and i think we see that already taking place and i was actually talking with the uh the moderate news source earlier today and they brought up um you know he's taken a he taken a week off of the campaign trail to prepare for this debate Donald Trump's not taking any time off and they're like do you think Donald Trump's not taking it seriously i thought i think it's the opposite i think what you're seeing here is you're seeing what true leadership looks like when you're sitting in the oval office at the white house you don't have time to take a week to think about what you're going to do you've got to make that decision and whether you love or hate Donald Trump something we all know he's going to get on that debate stage he's going to be himself and he's going to talk directly to the american people he's going to be honest he's not taking a week to think of how to fool the american people he's going to step right out there and he's going to tell us what he thinks he's going to talk about the issues that are affecting this country the border the economy um and how pretty much every area of american life and i cannot point to one as a whole that is better now than it was four years ago and i think that's where Donald Trump is going to be in this debate and joe biden is going to have to have answers and if he does then i think we'll continue to see him slip in the polls now uh you watch the polls like i do chairman um my my thinking is this and i i know that the trend is a little a little bit of biden's favor but if this is as bad as it's going to get i mean at this point in time the those who are are are responding to these surveys know about trump's conviction in new york and for joe biden to really benefit i mean he needed a big big big big swing here he didn't get it and i think this is probably like rock bottom for as far as the sick i mean the tourist the 24 campaign goes um i mean other things could happen obviously between now and november but it the things are going the way they're going this is going to be the worst of it they're in good shape i mean i i i tend to agree i i think look we as a party um and especially our candidates have got to get back to talking about the issues um and how they affect the american people the the mainstream media want to get us off on talking about personality talking about core cases talking about global warming whatever it may be you know that they want to bring personality and and personal aspects into it and i think we really just need to say no we need to stop falling to the trap of of allowing them to dictate the conversation and i think what we're seeing is an american people who are waking up to this and really saying look no what we're concerned about is the fact that we can't put food on the table but we're concerned about the fact that our communities aren't safe because there's drugs and human trafficking flowing across the southern border that that the democrats are not just letting happen but they actually reverse things that donald trump would in place that that protected our our country they reversed those and purposely won um this this flood of illegal immigrants flood of crime flood of drugs coming across the southern border and i don't think there's any excuse for that um i think foreign policy people feel less safe you know than they did four years ago because ironically they are less safe um the democrats party in the the by administration been a complete failure on foreign policy so i don't know i i think you have all these things that are so obvious for republicans to point out we've got to get away from allowing the mainstream media to set the narrative talk about the issues and go directly to the american people um forget talking to the media it's when you're talking to media you're not talking to that host you're talking to the public and if our canada can do that i don't know trump can do that and i believe he will i think it's very very hard for the democrats to keep in control and a lock on the vote this election cycle well uh you know i spend a lot of time like what do you do if you're a democrat right now does the uh i think it's coming chairman and and democrats have kind of been able to use it to their advantage in the past but the summer months tend to be especially political election cycles for some reason uh tend to be kind of a rocky place in our inner cities with crime and i mean the BLM summer the Ferguson summer all coming like within uh you know right around presidential elections looking at this i i don't think the turmoil in the streets is something that democrats want right now they're in charge and that to me i mean you talk about the woke stuff really pulling well with those uh i i think crime in the threat of crime and public safety especially what we're seeing in Montgomery right now is it going to be an issue for voters in a presidential election i i think there's no doubt and look who is the party that stands for people's rights and freedoms wants to protect people wants to help them have a safer life wants to close them in border you know wants to improve the economy most even most democrats recognize that it's a republican party who would do a better job with the with the economy um and i think that's why we've got to start being bolder candidates have to be bolder and and you brought up the woke policies you know the parental rights and and making sure that our children are not socially engineered and and you know not just i'm not just groomed but literally indoctrinated with socialism um i think those are issues that that are going to be such a key factor and that we as republicans have got to grab onto a candidate to have to talk about them that the democrats are going to grab onto abortion and reproductive rights and they're going to try to drive that that that train all they can but if we as republicans recognize our social issues on our side that actually pull more intensely than abortion does with independence both more intensely with you with modern democrats and it definitely pulls stronger with republicans we have the better social issues to use we get that to start using them the thing where the democrats use their social issues and the way they're going to use it i mean we saw i i think we first started seeing it yesterday with kamala harris um so it's going to be abortion and they're going to i mean bring out these just horrible stories of these young ladies who are uh raped and uh they live in a state where they they couldn't get an abortion they had to go travel or whatever um to get an abortion but but this is the way they're going to go it looks like to me they're just going to try to bank off of the 2022 cycle i don't think that works here i mean it's going to work but it's not the the electorate is so much different in a presidential cycle well look and we have to slam them right back and say look first of all you want a federal government who who respects and thinks that life is precious every single country in the history of this world who did not respect the right to life and then it's very poorly um it's critical that government respect life but going past that it's also critical that we respect rental rights it's it's critical that we protect our children um look i think one of the most powerful things that you can do is is show how how the democrat party has embraced not just the social of the agenda but a a sexually explicit agenda that they're trying to force on young children and it doesn't matter whether you're a republican it doesn't matter whether you're a democrat it doesn't matter whether you're you're straight or gay if you're a sincere person and you watch that agenda you're horrified by it and i think the numbers that i'm seeing with the polling the the when i'm talking to parents when i'm talking to teachers this issue is literally horrifying to the american public and yet we have a democrat establishment who don't just embrace it they don't accept it they are pushing it and it's critical they have to have it because they know that they have one window if the next generation is completely boiled alive and comes out full on socialists they will own this country forever and so this is it this the next 10 15 20 years is going to define whether we as a country stand up and say no we want to continue to be a constitutional republican recognize our creator and that our rights come from our creator and when we're going to reject this idea of socialism that government into our lives um or do we let them get our children and then we leave america forever where we are in that battle i think we're i think this is more important than than anyone we cannot overstate the importance of this and how critical the next few elections like a car and it starts right here in 2024 i mean it's it's a culture it's it's a cultural thing what do we what do we in this country put up on a pedestal um we're we're we're growing away from organized religion whatever it may be as your higher power to the government and that the government is the solution to our problems that we don't look to god we don't look um we don't even look to ourselves we look to we look to uncle sam to come in and solve our problems i think that's the mentality of a lot of people and maybe this haven't been alive enough but if you rely on the government that much it's going to let you down but yet doesn't stop their voting behavior well and we have to remember it's indoctrination through the education system and through the media and entertainment it didn't just start you know ten years ago with this radical push it's been in it's been in effect for a decade um and it's so easy to fall into the trap of looking to looking to government you know you you don't like what your neighbor is doing but let's do zoning control your neighbor well what about property rights um you know you you look at social security social security is not that old it was put into place in the you know in the 40s and 50s um so many things that are country in just the last generation or two has moved so much more to this this trend away from personal responsibility um it's moved away from the family unit and then communities work any other and i always highlight this in order for socialism to work um you have to have a all-powerful government that people look to you as god almost um but in order to do that you have to take away the competition um and that self-sufficiency that that's a strong local community that's the family unit and that's our faith in almighty god and i think that's why we see every one of those areas of our lives being attacked by the left they're undermining those those pillars of society those things that are put in place that are so important that that help us um be self-sufficient that helps us be successful look socialists don't want a strong middle class they want to have everyone they want to have peasants and served them where everyone is equal but equally poor and i think we have to embrace the american dream we have to explain how this grand american concept of freedom and liberty that the american public being in charge why that may such an amazing nation and why it's so important that we embrace it we understand those principles and we we don't just hold onto them we have to go back to them because we've already lost them in so many areas one more question on the abortion what what is how because i think that republicans need to go on offense here they need to be more aggressive i think the mistake of twenty two was running away from it and not really talking about it i'm not even going on office talking about just how radical the modern democratic party is on this issue they sort of give them a free pass to uh that they have no no restraints and they republicans just take hit after hit body bullet or body blow from the left on this they got to do better right oh absolutely and look and not just defend but sit back like i was talking about no one wants a government that doesn't respect the right to life um life is secret life is precious and i think we as republicans that do better job explain look the reason we believe in the right to life if they're unborn is the same reason we believe in protecting your rights and freedom as as the american people um we want to protect your first memory just take it and memorize we also want to protect your right to life um and it's going to aid you throughout your entire life like this this is a fundamental concept we believe in people and the individual and that part of that is the right to life i think we also have to really communicate the message that that abortion is a tragedy because the majority of the american people agree with that 70 percent of the american people agree that that no woman wants to be in that place and the abortion is a tragedy and if it's a tragedy then let's find solutions decide that tragedy all the democrats have to offer saying oh you you we want abortion we want to we want to kill babies okay let's have republican party be the the party that wants to help people help mothers in need make adoptions easier um and have actual solutions for this tragedy and i think if we can frame it in that context and we can show that that we care and and and our our pro-life bans and our policies around women in need are actually come from a place of compassion and in a place of protecting every single individual if we can communicate it in that way that we don't want to control people we want to protect and help people we went on this issue and it's the democrats who are actually the radical ones they're the ones who want to you know be able to have abortion up and come a day a day of birth they're the ones who have a radical policy they're the ones who are being aggressive on this we're coming at it from from a kind respect and and a loving position and if we can flip that on we actually went on this issue and that is actually the truth and we need to see truth we need to be bold about it and we need to not be afraid to talk about these quote-unquote controversial issues i don't care if it's abortion i don't care if it is the transgender transgenderism we push on our children i don't care if there's our education if it's parental rights we need to be bold on the social issues that are happening today because that's where the battle for the hearts and the minds of the american people are and chair will wipe it up on this only got a minute here but um al2 how is that going i mean look you you know i i have um i've always been the pessimist on this i think this was created to be a democrat district but i'm telling you this this is a winnable feat um the the policies of the democrat party are so bad and the people the the average everyday americans are hurting under these policies and i think that record from the democrats of the Biden administration um and the u.s you know and and another thing that are going to give us a chance to win this u.s congressional seat and um we're going to work hard we're going to fight fight for it and i think it's a possibility sheriff folks want to find out more about the alabama republican party you think you guys are up to tell them how to do so yeah no we we welcome engagement all the time so we're on all social media at alabama republican party and then our website where they can sign up for a volunteer or or for update is algop.org i'll check that out chairman we appreciate it we'll do it again next week oh we did again so all right john wallies a gentleman we'll be right back this is effid talk 1065 but not angel sleep tight done close you're pretty brown look away look away look away takes a look back to the japan show it up and talk one oh six five days you're sticking around on what's left of this tuesday morning come up tomorrow on the show joey clark and a couple other guests to be named later so please tune in so you get a lot of pushback from you gamblers out there no i'm not trying to i'm john i'm not trying to create a a class warfare thing but don't be fooled it and listen real close here they could get rich but they're using the levers of state government to get rich through a monopoly or a you know a duopoly or whatever on gambling that is what the system that they are trying to promote and are using the back of a lottery to get it done is not a good system i am telling you you just need you need to understand that i don't like it for that reason maybe you do so you do you're on a thing anyway enough of that uh come up here shortly mid-day mobile shawn sullivan what you got formed today but you know you know you mentioned it earlier people were against this sessions gambling bill for more than one reason right and you know i still stick with the uh this is the clover valley version of gambling for for alabama that that's my issue it wasn't even you know you talk to people about what they would get a look at the facilities uh you know it the victory land or look at green track don't picture the ballachio no it's it's like it's not even the name brand it is the you know listen and i'll buy some clover valley stuff at the dollar general but it's the clover valley version of that is that that's one of the reasons i push back against it and we're setting up a gambling utility to only left certain people there's no competition in it there's nothing that'll ever make it better no it but but it's also this once you take away that constitutional amendment yep then then then it's it goes from a three-fifths majority to watch simple majority and they could change everything including putting casino right there on the beach that i know a lot of our listeners would uh detect even at ola uh you know having a casino there and and anywhere near ballwood county that's what could happen do you trust the alabama legislature that much it that's not a fair question do i test test them at all or that might i trust some of the legislators but like if we get another one of these medicaid shortfalls again um well you know we we can make it all up if we just allow a casino xyz to come down and put a facility there go stay part don't you love fellow alabamaans i mean if you if you do you need to vote for this casino to be there hey come over here come over here but it's uh mobile county commissioner ranta will do it will join me and also we'll talk about Julian Assange later on in the show and april mary fogle whole bunch more coming up on mid-day mobile yeah they still think of ballwood county and mobile county and a lot of the state is event as well uh yeah run away province you let them beach people do their beach stuff we'll just do our alabama stuff up here and that's what you need to be worried about with this gambling guys i got to get out of here it has been a pleasure i will try to do better tomorrow sorry fullest i forgot to say goodbye this has been the jeep or show on epip talk 1065