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Jeff Poor Show - Monday 6-24-24
[MUSIC PLAYING] From Bucks Pocket to the shores of Orange Beach, at all points in between, an insider's perspective on Alabama politics. It's the Jeff Porsche Show. I don't think Hank done it this way. [MUSIC PLAYING] Good morning. Welcome to the Jeff Porsche Show. Nothing to talk. 106.5. Good Monday morning, do you? Thank you very much for listening. We always appreciate it. I'll kick it off here, Texas already, 251343, 0106. That's how you get touched with the show. You shoot me a text. And when you do so, I will do my best to respond to whatever it is that is on your mind. I'll react to whatever it is that is on your mind. I always appreciate the feedback. Coming up on the program today in about 30 minutes here at the Fair Hope Bureau are usual Monday, other end of the Monday regular Jennifer Fiddler, Silver Hill. My state house member will be with the SIN and the 10 o'clock hour, Stephanie Holden Smith of the Alabama Policy Institute. I want you to do a website, those of you that are wanting to use the new school choice option. Well, what you're doing is kind of a public service for you guys. If you want to figure out how you are eligible or if you're eligible for this first round of school choice, the Alabama Policy Institute is creating a database, kind of a how-to guide, and we get Stephanie to talk about that and some other things. Coming up into 10 o'clock hour, then finally, any 11 o'clock hour, Dale Jackson will be in any yellow hammer news as we do every Monday, pushing back an hour today, but you want to stay tuned for that. Once again, text line 2-5-1-3-4-3, 0-1-0-6. That is how you get in touch with me, your show host. I guess the thing that I'm going to kick it off here with just the shooting of Montgomery. Well, when do they finally say, well, we've got to do something here. I don't know that we're quite to call and get a national guard, but it feels pretty darn close, if you ask me. Now the mayor's out there and his sycophants in the media are blaming the Alabama legislature on two grounds that obviously the constitutional carry, as if having a concealed carry permit requirement is going to curb the violence in the city of Montgomery as ridiculous as that sounds. And the other is really fascinating. About, I'd say, about four years ago, maybe three. I can't remember. They try to raise taxes, property taxes. I believe-- or occupational taxes in Montgomery. And this is what a lot of cities do. Well, Birmingham in particular. People left the city of Birmingham probably 30, 40 years ago to move to the suburbs. Call it what you want, white flight, or whatever. But guess what? It's a reality. The tax base in Birmingham left, and it's leaving Montgomery now for Prattville and Pike Road. So the way they try to make up for the city government in these places, since the tax dollars have left for the suburbs, but people are still driving into Montgomery to work, this will do this occupational tax. And if you want to increase-- the problem with doing that for these municipalities is you have to get a green light from the Alabama legislature. Essentially, the Alabama legislature said, no, you're not doing that. Now, you got raised in taxes. You're not going to-- you're not going to do this. This is-- you need to get your affairs in order. Maybe you'll have a renaissance. And that tax base will come back home. But they're not. And it's just bad liberal policies. I mean, it's a centrally-- we pay an occupational tax. Was it taxation without representation? So here we go, the blame game. But it's obvious there's some real problems up there. We've been talking about this for the last month or so about an understaffed police department, which is kind of an instigating action from the Alabama legislature. So what's going to happen is this mayor and the AL.com APR guys, who are aligned with mayor Reed up there, are just going to attack the Alabama legislature for whatever reason. Another one I saw was block switches or something. But they have an understaffed police department. No one wants to work in this wokified police department up there. And the legislature guys is going to pass a law that's going to impact everybody between here and Scottsboro. It's just going to be one size fits all. You can't get your act together. We'll do it for you. And as much as I want to have more faith in the state government, I mean, it's not exactly setting the world on fire if you look at the prison system. So we got a controversy there. You had a gathering of like 1,000 people up there. And then somebody just starts spraying gunfire. And then next thing you know, here we go again. So I can't get off there. But it is debate week on the national politics. What are they doing with Joe Biden yesterday? What are the Sunday shows? Ronnie Jackson, who's actually been a guest on this program, former White House physician, Dally, remember a Congress in Texas, he is speculating that they are juicing Joe Biden experimenting with doses, trying to find that right combination to get him debate ready that there's just going to have to medicate him just right to get him aware and ready to go and that debate against Trump this week. Guys, everything this week is it. And then next week, it's the 4th of July holiday. It'll be a dead period. It Trump has a good debate. And they should expect that he will. If you're the odds maker right now, and you're looking at Trump versus Biden, you've got to be leaning Trump. But I think being aware of that Democrats, when they agreed to do this, knew that first week of July would be kind of a dead period. And then we give the chance the new cycle to the least kind of let the whole Biden controversy go away before people team back in on July 8th. I mean, think about it. Have we ever had a head head presidential debate this early in election cycle? And then they kind of booted the commission on debates to the curb, and it really was kind of antiquated. The other thing you're starting to see, and I saw this morning, Amy Klobuchar, Kamal Harris, on morning Joe, they're trying to bring back the abortion discussion. Expect Alabama to take some hits here. I mean, it's very early, but this is the narrative. That Republicans want your daughter to have her dirty uncle's baby. She can't abort it. That every abortion is the product of some kind of ancestral rape or something. And that's what Republicans are for. And the thing that's so disappointing about that, guys, some Republicans are just continuing to be flat-footed and are showing no ability. Showing no tendency to push back, explained why-- I mean, for like 40 years, the Republican Party ran on overturning Roe v. Wade. They ran on protecting life. If finally get a court case in their favor, they don't know what to do. And it's hurting them at the ballot box. They finally get something good. And I don't think the country has shifted that much on abortion. I think people are pretty much where they are. But you can't let the Democrats turn this into-- Republicans are pro-insessed and pro-rape and pro-pregnancy and a conceited rape. There are a lot of other abortions out there happening that have nothing to do with any of that. It's just a personal responsibility question. But it's a very, very prominent, I'll say, female politician explaining this to me. I mean, it's hard for a guy like you to understand. But I mean, a lot of moms out there don't want their daughters to have to have a baby conceived by a rape. And whether we want to turn a blind eye to it or not, I mean, it happens. And a lot of women just don't talk about it. And that's why Democrats are moving the needle, really score points on that issue. But Republicans have to have some kind of counter-narrative here. They have to talk about the value of life and Democrats being the radical ideal. A lot of these pro-abortion groups have about late-term abortions. I mean, they have to counter that. And they won't. And just walk away from it like, OK, if I ignore it, people will be paying attention. Meanwhile, it's just like you're leaving the goal line unprotected. And they're just driving it in every single time. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. And that's what happened in '22. And if they're not careful, it's going to happen in '24. At least that's what Democrats want to happen. Now, I think it's a little different electorate this time. We've seen that a lot really ginning up this morning. Watching the news and watching the guests they're having on. You could kind of see how the news cycle flows. The big stories are publishing about abortion. And there's sort of a prelude to it as well yesterday, all the Sunday shows. When they ask these questions, they just don't have a good response. Even Kristi Noem, who had to defend meeting Kim Jong-un and shooting her dog. But see, they have a good answer to Dobbs. So, what do you think of abortion and the Republican Party and where you are on that? Put that aside and just look at it. Well, there's a lot of bad stuff going on in this country right now with Joe Biden's administration. Is it worth it? Is that this policy course the way to go on this and continue to have this path because Joe Biden is enlightened on, and I'm not, these aren't my words. In just a case, you are kind of sympathetic to the cause. That he's enlightened on abortion and then reproductive rights. You let them choose the vernacular. You let them choose everything they're going to win. And we had this happen two years ago, guys. Every Republican still have it figured out a good response to it. Here it is. It's June, almost July 2024. And it's the same playbook we saw in 2022. We're right back. This is the Jeff Moore show on FM Talk 1065. You big talking man. And I'll be waiting in Jackson behind my J-Pand plan. You come again. Just what I'm about to make it work without you. You look into my eyes and lie those pretty eyes. And pretty soon I'm wondering how I can do that. Welcome back to the Jeff Moore show on FM Talk. Well, those six five days are sticking around on this Monday morning. Two five one three four three zero one zero six is the text. We have a bunch of texts to get to, uh, we can get on Mr. Platt. Oh, police. Jeff, there's not a problem. It's just right wing fear mongering. I can't tell if you're being facetious or not. I'm going to assume you are Jason. Mayor Reed was far more outraged over the boat ramp fight that is high crime and shooting, especially since one allowed him to play the race card. Well, initially he didn't play the race card. I don't know these, these, um, like redneck bros from Dallas County boating down the Alabama River to, or up the Alabama River to, uh, Montgomery and then being half in the bag when they got there. Um, somehow, well, let's race. But they had to bait him into it and then keep in mind guys, it was all because Donald Trump had spoken at the Alcott meeting the night before was what they were trying to insinuate. These people are shameless. But Mayor Reed ought to have to pay a price here and there's no political repercussions. So like, this has come up with, how is he even mayor? And I don't think it's race at all because when he ran both times, there were multiple, multiple African American candidates in the race. So what like, okay, we need a black mayor. They had other options. It's this, he's Joe Reed's son. He is, it's nepotism. It's, it's pathetic. There's no other qualification there. I think it was probate judge and daddy democratic party boss, sit him up to be mayor. Um, they are planning an unnamed texture. They're planting a secret speaker Joe Biden's ear. So someone can answer questions for him. Uh, named texture isn't juicing what they did for Hitler. Uh, named texture failure schools, family cities, family government equals poverty and poor revenue. It's reciprocal. I believe it's purpose purposely done. I don't think it's on purpose. I just think it's a competence. All right. It's this misguided approach. Uh, this post BLM locification of all our government agencies is what they are banking on the way they're playing it. Uh, toothless bammer Republicans are notorious. They're low expectations from a Biden speech. They are different. The same thing for this debate. John. I don't know why they can't allow three common exceptions in a while for abortion. Also, there should be no prosecution for women going to other states, having a abortion where it's legal. Reagan will lead to allowing the three common exceptions. Uh, the health of the by the rapid incest, right? The, the problem here, John, is that when they did this, when Alabama did it, there was no expectation that it would ever really be the law. Let me explain in so the abortion ban was passed 2019 and it was meant to trigger a lawsuit that would eventually wind up in the Supreme Court. It would force the Supreme Court to rule a weather, the, the, the being, the compa cells, whatever it is in your, from your point of view. And the womb is that a life or isn't it? When does life begin? And if it is a life, then it gets the same protections that you and I get. The same rights are protected, especially the right to life. And this is what the Alabama Supreme Court had to do in that civil case. What the embryos was determined if it had protections like a human being would have, what did they want the Alabama Supreme Court to do? There's some lawmakers who were bitter toward the Alabama Supreme Court, but they didn't take this up and, and, and make this ruling on this case just because it was like, some like, you know, symbolic statement on, on abortion and pro life. And it was because the case that came to him forced these, these, these ground-breaking decisions. And our institutions have to make these decisions where we disagree so much. We can't go on. I guess we could go on like that forever, but it's not optimal. Uh, we'll be right back. This is the Jeff Horshowell at BitTalk 1065. [Music] I can't get to sleep at night. Barking lots all out in bright days. He hasn't worked in 20 years. Probably never made a single person cold, but I can't say the same for me. I've done it many times. Somebody take me home through the window. 6065 major sticking with us on this Monday morning. Text on, you want to get involved with the program. All you do is hit me up there. 2513430106, still to come on the program about an hour from now. Stephanie Holden-Smith of the Alabama Policy Institute. And then in the 11 o'clock hour, our Monday regular, for whatever reason, Dale Jackson, WVNN up in Huntsville will be with us. But joining us now here in the Fair Hope Bureau, as we do every other, other Monday is Senator Jennifer Fiddler. My state representative, Representative Good morning, how are you? I'm doing great. How are you doing, Jeff? Living the dream here, I guess, is the way to say, I don't know. But no, I forgot to mention this in the beginning of the program. I did get to go see your college play softball this weekend and pull out a marathon 10 inning win against the Mississippi legislature. And Jackson, well, Pearl, Mississippi to be precise, but out right outside of Jackson. Congratulations to my colleagues. And I'm so sorry. I wasn't able to make it. I had some plans that I'd already had made. And down just a staycation we had here with a bunch of folks coming in. So I was not able to make it, but congratulations to all my colleagues. And I did not ever doubt that they would pull it out. I heard that Mississippi had a lot of was just really proud that we were coming over and I heard there was a lot of great relationships developed. A lot of conversations started, so it sounds like it was a successful weekend. Yeah, that's the way it looked to me, though. You kind of got into town on Friday and then bailed out right after the game. But it's a cool event to see stuff like that. And then just go and it was also cool to get to see what Mississippi's Mississippi Braves play. So my little guy enjoyed it. But anyway, enough of that. Let's kick it off here. And you and I are kind of talking over the break about this. Next year, one would assume you had the IVF fixed in place this year. Next year, like a real, a real program here, a real bill that is more, I guess more comprehensive, not a band-aid, is going to have to be applied IVF in Alabama, wouldn't you think? I hope so. I know we've had a lot of conversations regarding it amongst our colleagues. And I hope we can get something that works for everybody. There's a lot of just unknowns. Like the general public, we probably need to talk a little bit about IVF. And kind of get everybody understanding what the whole arguments or the whole concern is about it. When a couple is not able to have a child and they go through this in vitro process, I mean, there's a couple things you can do and go through artificial assimilation in vitro. In vitro is where you take, you know, the woman's egg, you do an egg retrieval program. And this all timed, the woman, the woman goes through and she's given herself shots to produce more eggs. And so these eggs are viable. And when they are, they're put in a petri dish with their spouse's sperm. And so that's all in this clinic. And then they go through a process where they say, okay, are these actually going to make this embryo? Are they going to get fertilized? Does this egg going to get fertilized? They give you like a probability rating, viable, not viable or whatever. Well, every day, the nurse calls and she says, all right, we've got, you know, you had 10 your eggs, they fertilized, but today we move down to eight. And that's how many that's looking good. The next day she calls, and this is about a five or six day process, where every day, the nurse calls and says, all right, we got now we were down seven. And but they're looking good. You know, they're great in four, they're green five, they're green three, you know, two of them not looking too good. And then you get on down to the last day and you may not have any, you may have three, you may have, you know, just a toss up what how many fertilized embryos that have their cells divided that you look that could be viable. Those are those can be put back in the woman in the embryo, in the womb, they may or may not take. So that's why when the doctor, he may go back in and put a single in, he may go back in and put a twins, you know, two or three, depends on how great those eggs are looking. Or some couples decide to just do genetic testing and freeze them and do another egg retrieval. The woman goes through back through that egg retrieval process. It's all timed, you know, through the cycles of a woman. And I guess this is, you know, the critical part because she's taken a lot of hormones to make her body produce these eggs. It's so she's all over the place, you know, hormonal emotions, that sort of thing. The, you may have two or three of these egg retrieval processes, you know, three or four depends on how these eggs come out. And at the end of the day, you know, if you do that genetic testing, then, you know, you go and you test them. Well, I've got somebody I won't name went through the process. And they tested, they had three eggs, tested all of them. There were too many chromosomes or not enough chromosomes. So after three egg retrieval processes, they go through have three embryos that are looking great. Go back and do the testing. And there's none that can be put back in the womb, the woman's womb. And this is kind of the, some of the controversy here, because how many of those embryos when they're putting those storage containers are actually viable? They're liable today, but when they're put back in or when they tested there, are they going to have too many chromosomes or not enough chromosomes? Because if you're in that situation and they're being put back in the woman, they are going to be aborted by nature. I mean, that's just the, what's going to happen. So that's kind of the, you got all these embryos in this case, how many are actually going to be developing into a child? What's the percentage? It depends on that woman's eggs and that man's sperm and then embryo and the quality and that sort of thing. Right. I think there's a lot of unknowns out there about that whole process. Right. And you know, we get into viability. That's sort of the left argument about abortion, and viability that we, we got to like define when life begins, I think ultimately to figure this out. But is it, and I use it, the, the, the, Nelson and the Senate talking about it, like, is it a heartbeat? Is it when the embryo attaches to the uterus? Like, what are we going to start applying, like, protections to these embryos? And you kind of put the Alabama Supreme Court in this position with this wrongful death suit that these, I mean, was it property that got damaged? Are you going to classify these embryos as property that the, you know, what happened at the infirmary there? Are you going to classify them as human beings? And there's a wrongful death component. And this is like a very difficult thing they had to figure out and write about and their, their opinions. And that's what they came to that this, what else will it be the other than a human life, these embryos? So, so like what, what do we define those as and doesn't matter at what stage they are at in their development? Yes. And I think we have to go back to scripture to see what the scripture says our Bible. I mean, because it does talk about life of God talking about knowing you and your womb and your mother's womb, right? The utero is developed. I mean, what she start growing in the utero pretty much is what scripture says. There's a couple different places that it talks about that. So in my mind, that's where we have to kind of start. That's where we start. You're probably going to make some people sit their hair on fire talking about scripture there. But, but I think that's right. If we're going to use that as the basis for, for this whole discussion, we need to like, we need to decide here and, and when, when life begins. But the, the, the dissent in that Alabama Supreme Court case, there was, it was, it was, it was two votes, but it was a great cook. It was, it was kind of talking about it. When they passed that wrongful death law in the late 1800s, there was no way they could have imagined at the time that there would be IVF science like we have today. And if you are a strict constructionist, if you don't believe that these things are, are, are like living in breathing falls that sort of kind of evolve over time to the current conditions, then you really look, what was the original tent, intent of that law in the 1800s? Would it, would it have applied? It was, we'll sell our secret cook. You said, would, would, would, were they attending for this to apply in these circumstances? And if they couldn't even fathom the science of IVF, then why are we interpreting the, why are we interpreting the law for these people that passed the law? And it's really incumbent on the legislature to make this decision to current legislature and not rely on that past law. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, who could have, and again, things could change in the future. So, I mean, you think about that life in a petri dish outside a woman's womb. I mean, what does that mean if we classify that and it grows in a way that we could manipulate humans could manipulate? I mean, think outside the box. What, that's our feature that it's an unknown, it's just an unknown. So, to me, I have to, I go back to scripture and I know our chairman, our chairwoman, that's where she had it in her mind, you know, where that starts, life starts, and I agree with that. The other thing is this, and I don't think people understand this because it's, I mean, if you don't understand IVF, it's not something we talk about all the time. The reason they extract so many eggs, they're just like throwing darts at a dart board, you're hoping to hit the bullseye when the more shots you have at it, the more chances of its success you're going to have. So, it's not just as, and this is what, you know, why it's done this way. It's, it's not necessarily a reckless endeavor, but they know that there's fertility problems here and it's going to take, you know, a number, which is multiple retrieval sometimes. And I just, well, I know, assuming that they're operating in good faith, they're not just doing it to do it, they're doing it to try to increase the chances of a pregnancy. Yeah, and I can tell another story, that particular story that I just told with the three eggs, that person chose to do three because if there were three viable eggs, that's how many she would have had, that's how many children. So there was three, possibility three, possibility two, one, zero, but didn't want to go through it again and not, you know, have more than that to be with the stage in life this person was. But I've heard other stories where they had nine embryos and had one child. One, you know, nine. Everybody's so different, right? Like, there's not like, you can't assign an arbitrary number to this. That's necessarily because, I mean, biology is just, it's random. It's, it's, it's the way the world is. It's a, yeah, and it's, it's a risk. There's so many things that our ladies are going through now, our families, our young families. It's this stress, it's a risk, but it is something that we are giving life to, I mean, so many families. And I mean, that we know of, you know of the people, people who are listening out there, they've had a daughter, they've had someone that has gone through this, a sister, they've gone through it. It's way more than you start talking to people. You will find out that they've someone, many people probably that you know have gone through this. I mean, it's, you're right. You always hear the expense of the process. It's not cheap. It's most insurance don't cover this health insurance plans. And the other part, it's like all the, the pharmaceuticals that people have to buy that do it. And who knows what these hormones are doing to your body, right? That's right. That's a risk. It's a risk. And I mean, these ladies are, you know, it's worth it to have a child, you know, for their fate, you know, a piece of them, a piece of their husband, you know, to move on. I mean, all that stuff. It's the biological imperative. I mean, people have family and, you know, I get it. But then we have all these weighty, you know, like, the problem is it's never really been fully understood, I think, of how to approach it. And now now you're in this tough place. They backed Alabama into a corner here. Like, where are we going? You know, and you have people who just think you should just, like you saw at this other Baptist convention said, I mean, they got some reservations about it. You have all these people kind of backed into a corner here trying to figure out what the right thing to do. And what the politics hanging over you. So I know like, but there's got to have to be something done this next year, the next year or two, right? I think there is. I mean, and I know our leadership wants to do something. I mean, that they don't want to keep kicking the can down the road. As you see, our leadership is not about kicking cans. They were about addressing the elephant in the room. So I know that our leadership, yeah, wants to look at it, wants to address it. And I'm just like to encourage the folks that don't know a whole lot about it, talk to people that do that have been through it, let them hear their experiences, because it is a it's life changing on both sides. If you don't become pregnant for a family, if you do become pregnant, you know, that is their, you know, their children that you're seeing, your kids are playing ball with. It is a life changing experience. And, you know, we've got a lot of leadership that may not or some of our folks up there that don't know, but I do know that we have a great group. My colleagues will listen. They are going to be hearing their other colleagues. So I encourage people to keep talking about it. Well, it's sad. And even if you like, it's so politicized that, you know, whatever Alabama does is going to be poo pooed by the left. So I don't know. But we can only control what we can control in these circumstances. Let's get a quick break in here. We've got Jennifer Fiddler, State Representative Silver Hill here with us taking her regular pairs very back. This is the Jeff Pore Show it up and talk 106-5. Look about to the Jeff Pore Show it up and talk 106-5. Thanks for sticking around on this Monday morning. 25-1-3-4-3-0-1-0-6. Going to be in touch with the program. Still to come on the program this morning, Stephanie Elder Smith, the Alabama Policy Institute, and Dale Jackson, WVNN up in Huntsville and Yella Hammer News. Still with us for just a few more minutes here, State Representative Jennifer Fiddler. A couple of things upcoming now. Speaker Ledbetter is scheduled to be here next in August, right? Easter Shore Republican women and they are doing a night meeting there, I think. They do too. They do a... They do a lunch. Oh, no, this will be the lunch. This will be the lunch. So the Speaker of the House, the head of our leadership for the House of Representatives will be here in Fair Hope. So happy to have him. And right in front of the Business Council of Alabama conference here that is held at the Grand Hotel, he'll be speaking at the Easter Shore Republican Women's Group. And that's at the Fair Hope Yacht Club. They meet at the Fair Hope Yacht Club. Yeah, and... It's gonna be on the 8th. They do. We're gonna have Judy Barlow on to talk about it, but they got a bunch of guests here. Stephanie Bryant coming up here next week, Haas Mac, their evening meeting, and then Speaker Ledbetter coming up on August 8th. So, you know, and just real quick here, we were talking about kind of big things the legislature will deal with. Well, I mean gambling is probably not gonna happen. What do you think the big things are left to do this quadrennium? Oh, gosh, I thank everybody. Well, we've got the ethics. Yeah. And we're gonna get that report back. So, kind of, okay, just to give everybody a, you know, Representative Simpson, Daphne, Baldwin County, that has worked on the ethics bill. And we weren't able to get the senate to look at it, take it up and really study it. So, we asked a consultant, we're asking a consultant to look at it, a group kind of outside Alabama that really will look at it and kind of give us their opinion and their report is going to be due at the first of the legislative session next year. So, that'll be big. You would, I mean, like, I guess now that you've had a chance to kind of look at ethics in this state, I mean, I was kind of a symptom on this one. Something needed to be done. Now, it had its detractors, my friend, Stan McDonald, who for Bare Force came on this show to blast it, but the ethics commission and some of the senators and the media, whenever, whenever this is brought up, it's the third real. I've watched this numerous times over the years, when they try to go back and fix what they did in 2010, it becomes this third-world hot potato, and it makes it very hard to accomplish. Yeah, it's complicated. It's complex. I mean, I've heard the people that, I guess, are critical that, you know, we're wondering is just the right way, is the ones that say, okay, if we let our locals kind of make sure that, you know, they do the press and charges, is that getting our local politics and thinking it should be state-wide, but they did a lot of great work on that ethics bill, so. We'll see to be, to be continued over, said if they should come up, I will do it again in a couple of weeks. Absolutely, Jeff, thank you. Good morning, everybody. We'll be right back. This is the Jeff Porchola at the talk, 106-5. From Bucks Pocket to the shores of Orange Beach, at all points in between, an insider's perspective on Alabama politics. It's the Jeff Porchola. I don't think I ain't done it this way. Welcome back to the Jeff Porchola at the talk, 106-5. Thank you very much for listening on this Monday morning, 2513430106. That's the text line. That's how you get in touch with me, your show host. It could have been about a half hour for me on Alabama policies to stuff and hold it. Smith will be with us, so stay right where you are. Also on the program, Dale Jackson, WVNN. I'm sure it'll be all intellectual, very sophisticated stuff when Dale comes on, as always. Never gonna lower our expectations for him. Anyway, enough of that. You're kind of going through, well, there's a bunch of text you get to here. I'm gonna get to those in just a moment, but a couple of things that got me interested, the less leaning hard in the abortion. All of a sudden, they think this is their best path forward or silver bullet, if you will, for election success. Once again, reiterate this. I just don't think Republicans have a good response to anything that they're doing on the Democratic Party side. For 40 years, since Roe v. Wade all the way up until the first decade of the 2000s, the Republicans could not get enough of these social issues, including abortion and including same-sex marriage. There were others, a prayer in school, whatever, but these were the two biggies. 2024, they've conceded the same-sex marriage argument, so we're not even just having it. We're celebrating it for an entire month, but we seem as the Republican Party as concerned is on the verge of conceding the abortion debate. Even though you won a court case, a Supreme Court case, you finally got what you wanted. I'm not one of these guys. She says, "Oh, I think the 10th Amendment trumps everything, and we should just let states decide everything for themselves." Something as big as life and when life begins. I don't want to leave it up to the Wyoming legislature, or any legislature. It's a constitutional issue. It is a national issue. Either or on one side of it or the other, and the national federal institutions, primarily the Supreme Court, are Congress. Congress and the president need to make this call here. When does life begin, and we need to talk about that? We won't, because I'm convinced this is part of this, just straight up political. As long as we're at this stalemate in society, both sides are just going to keep bringing up points to the base or whatever. We're so divided, even if you wanted to, you're not going to get something through, because this is one of the issues where both sides will lay down in front of the railroad tracks. You really see this right now. You could get your cues from what to expect in the news cycle, be pushed out by Democrats by watching Morning Joe seeing who their guests are. The vice president Kamala Harris, and they have a rape victim, the night, abortion rights, or whatever, had to go travel somewhere. You hear the sad story, and this is what the Republicans want. The forced woman to have babies, their rapist baby. So that question of personal responsibility, using contraception or what it is, it's always rape. But I think we had a text earlier saying that the exceptions, incest, rape, and the life of the mother, they also want Reagan believed, but we're running from it. Republicans are running from this issue. So that's on the radar that also the Montgomery incident Saturday night, major thoroughfare, an unpermitted party with thousands of people or a thousand people, something to that degree. And what could go wrong? The police in that city stretched off thin. The mayor and his police department have lost control of the city. There's just, there's just gunfire all hours of the day. No regard for law. It's anarchy. And it's just getting worse as time goes on, watching this. Should the state do anything about it? And if you do, that's the new precedent. Two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six, and a text are good morning. Do you American strictly vote on the abortion issue? People either wake up and realize that's the only thing troubling our country. A lot of people do though. It sounds, it sounds crazy on their texture, but there are a lot of single issue voters that do vote on abortion. It's an emotional issue. I am telling you that a woman thinking about her daughter being forced to carry her rapist child. Trump's everything. It's, it's, it's ahead of all of that. And you need, what is the response to that? Pat, I can't understand why you want Republicans to bring up abortion. They already won. Why are you bringing it back up? Because the Democrats are bringing it up, Pat. It's not, it's not me wanting them to bring it up. It is me wanting them to respond to these Democrat attacks. You can't let Democrats control the narrative, Pat. This is a losing strategy to run away from Joe Biden, run away from Kamala Harris, run away from Chuck Schumer, run away from Joaquin Jeffries, run away from whoever playing parenthood, Elizabeth Ward, etc. And let them control the narrative and Republicans just be like, Oh, Chuck, you know, we're, I don't know about that. That is why that's what happened in 2022. Whether we like it or not, it is the single issue voters out there. This is a single issue issue on the ballot. And all I tell, all I say is you don't have to bring it up, but you damn sure ought to be ready to respond to it when it comes up. And a lot of Republicans just aren't capable. And playing parents going to pump copious amounts of money after the Dobbs decision. Playing parenthood is and the pro choice left was livid. They were angry. They lost. What did they do? Did they go home, suck on their thumb and boo hoot? No, they would. And they started raising lots of money from the single issue types. He would write checks, very emotional issue. And they beat Republicans brains in within a midterm election where Republicans should have dominated like a tea party or 1994 type election. You may think about it. Joe Biden, and he's an awful president. And the best you could muster is a handful of seat majority in the House representatives and nothing in the Senate. It's pathetic. And it was abortion. Their digger, let's use the abortion as birth control instead of taking birth control pills. So women are not smart enough to take their pills. We need to know how many abortions the government is paying for with taxes. The other side is that for abortions that need to raise money, leave taxpayer money to help health care, not kill babies in the womb. And there's a prohibition on that in a lot of places. All taxpayer money being used on abortion. But money is fungible. Amy, when responsible drivers kill pregnant woman or domestic violence resulting in the death of a pregnant woman, the guilty party is charged with the death of both mother and unborn child. If mother is charged with murder for an illegal abortion, they need to change the law accordingly. Tony asks Ms. Fiddler at the New House of Development on Bohemia Road on her property or near her property. I do not know the answer to that. Your talking science, this has nothing to do with scripture. It absolutely does. People, I'll tell you why. And you can disagree with scripture or use of scripture. But a lot of people do. You follow scripture as God, it's in their life. And then I would say the vast majority of alabamians do and they elect people that they want to use scripture and their governance every day. You may not like it, but is the system we have? It matters. We cannot continue this conard of the separation of church and state that you guys on the left or you secular list or your DFOs out there have made it separation of state morality. If your basis for morality is scripture, then scripture is relevant in this discussion. Science is a moral scripture is moral. You may disagree with it, but it is it is elements of morality that people use in their everyday life. And they're using that when they're making policy or when they're electing people who are going to make that policy. So it is relevant in this discussion. Whether is it we are a government off or by the people. And this is scripture plays a part in that. We're not we're not doing the first amendment thing. Congress is not creating a state sponsored religion. When someone says they're using scripture as guidance on any public policy question. Michael the science found an organism of Mars that sells word dividing and growing. They would call the life, but IVS supporters want to say it's not life because it won't keep growing unless X well either will a toddler if you don't feed him unfreeze him. There's no consistency with supporting IVF and being pro life. Well, I mean, I can't if you just look at scripture this is just for fiddle was argument was like, well, this place is a scripture. We talked about being in the womb and being alive. So I I don't know. I mean, not up to me to the side. But I think it's a valid argument to make that the whole IVF concept. You can't we're going to call that life or not aid and writes this. Do you want Congress to make decisions on when life begins just like they tried to with the code vaccine? I don't think so. Well, then who else is going to do it, Aidan? I mean, like we elect a Congress and they if you send it confirms a Supreme Court justice, I think there's no other institution capable of kind of making that judgment for society when we are at odds with another. But for the sake of like policy and just getting on with our life and solving this problem, because it's a problem, it's just there's so many unknowns and trying to make the unknowns knowns so we can proceed. You've got to rely on our legal institutions. The ones that the public has by and so it had to be Congress, the president and Congress or the Supreme Court, I should say, primarily, I think the Supreme Court. When do you get the protections, the protection of life, the things laid out in the Bill of Rights, when does when does that apply to you as an individual? Um, Jason, how close was the shooting to Grady Governor's House and will she ever address this? I mean, it it was up in North Montgomery. If you know if you're familiar with it, it's kind of like the old road in and out of what Tom good to downtown. And they built a a toll bridge. Yeah, there's a toll bridge. There's two toll bridges north of Montgomery. I remember River Parkway hits to one of those toll bridges and there was intersections just kind of in this blighted neighborhood where it happened about five, six miles from the governor's mansion. We're back. This is effort. Talk with us. Six five. Cotton on the roadside, cotton in the ditch. We all picked the cotton, but we never got rich. Daddy was a veteran, a Southern Democrat. They ought to get a rich man to vote like that. Sing it. Song song on the south. Sweet potato pie and I should my mouth gone. Don't really win. Ain't nobody looking back again. Welcome back to the Jeff Porte Show. I've been talking about it. Six five. They just stick it with us on this Monday morning. Two five one three four three zero one zero six. So Michael, the scripture y'all references I did you before I formed your mother, you and your mother's room. Hence, you're created prior to that and we're a unique person before I could be put on a little on defense and I'm not trying to like win a debate with you, but like you give me all these reasons about this on the text line and then I appreciate that you're well informed. What do you tell the mother who's having fertility issues that they can't fulfill their biological imperative that they can't have children because of the way this process violates your interpretation of the Bible. What do you I mean like just explain this to me like in our society, we are told the right way to go about this to bring children into this world is not to do it irresponsibly, not not to do it where you're going to be burdened on, you know, the taxpayer or whatever that you are financially able to raise children, but you got your careers, you finish college, you settle down and everything is just right for children for you. And society has suggested, you know, you know, don't don't don't be having babies at high school or too young or whatever, get your whole life in order. And then by the time a lot of these women do that, there's issues there and they have to resort to an IVF situation or any kind of fertility treatment, whatever that is. What do you say to them, Mike? How do you, how do you tell them, no, that my, that this is, or like you said, but trying to put your defense here. But do you see the problem with that? And if you want to add an element to it, the politics of it are just, it's a suicide mission. If you start, if you just start saying, well, tough, deal with it, well, people aren't going to, for better or for worse, people are going to go along with it and they're going to seek answers from what I think is the left is going to own this issue. And that should be, you know, politics be damned. But there are, there are some underlying circumstances here that got to be resolved. Uh, we'll see. Yeah. Tim, Jeff, I thought it was really coincidental that Supreme Court ruled out abortion rights before the midterm election of 2022. I don't know. I mean, I know how that Jackson women's health case sort of came to be and what was going on there. And you know, you're following the stuff and you see how it goes in the, uh, and the appeals court process. And it, I, you know, it's hard. It's hard to do that. It's hard to time a, a court case with an election with the Supreme Court. Leo, good morning, Jeff. I can't reposter this preach that abortion is not federally illegal. Go talk to your state legislature, maybe because it's not that easy. Leo, people will just, um, well, first of all, the left believes that it ought to be up to the federal government. I mean, big government, big centralized planning government, they believe everything got to be let up to the federal government and he creates a situation where, okay, well, the crazy people in California who believe a global warming in California, we'll, we'll, we'll try to oppose California emissions on your car if you live in South Dakota. And that's why we had the former government we have with different states and the representative republic. Every, every circumstance, all 50 laboratories or democracy or whatever they want to call it, but every circumstance around the country can be different. So it requires a different set of solutions. Um, so I don't know. I don't know. Maybe that's the correct messaging, but I'm not so sure that it would work in a political sense in a presidential election cycle. We'll be right back. This is effing talk one oh six five. We were before the iron we'd boil it man. Just to send it on down the line. This is for the one who drives the big risk. The first thing I remember knowing was a lonesome whistle blowing and the youngest dream of growing up to ride look back to the jet pore showed up and talked with no six five. They just stick it around on this Monday morning. Texts like you want to be in touch with the show and man, we get a lot of text today. I won't get to those. I promise that we're wide open here till the bottom of the next hour after next guest, but we will continue to to respond to your text the best way we can. By the way, Doug Jackson come up in about an hour for wv and in our Monday regular so stay tuned for that. But joining us now she's with the Alabama policies to always a pleasure to bring on Stephanie Holden Smith to the program. Stephanie, good morning. How are you? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me on, Jeff. Hey, thanks for making time for us. Well, let's go and kick it off here. The reason I wanted to get you on. You're creating it. And I think this is a fantastic idea with the Cheers Act and the now having like sort of a framework for school choice and people who are wanting to take advantage of that. Like, well, how do you navigate that and understanding that? And you guys and API are creating a tool for them. Yeah, so we created a separate website from our kind of normal Alabama policy website called educationfreedomalabama.com. And the idea behind it is basically what you just said, which is we have several different kinds of school choice now in the state of Alabama. It shouldn't be convoluted. It shouldn't be difficult to navigate, but it kind of is. And so we thought that more parents would take the option of partaking in charter schools or the AAA program, or now the Cheers Act, if they understood kind of the three lanes and where their family might fit into one of those three lanes. And so the Cheers Act, as has been well documented on your show, was passed this March through the legislative process signed by Governor Ivy. And what we were became the 11th state in the nation to have a universal school choice program. But a lot of people I'm finding in traveling around the state and talking to people don't really know what that means or how their family can be a part of it. And so that's why we set up this website to really just kind of, you know, put the nuts and bolts out there of what the legislation said, and when eligibility is for certain types of students. And then the process is still being developed by the Department of Revenue for the Cheers Act. But as that process is developed, we will push that information out as well. And you know, I've talked about a little bit now, this whole last session was really overshadowed everything with gambling. And we will get to that in a moment here, I promise. But the, this school choice bill, and I know it's being kind of gradually implemented, and they're trying to make sure the ETF can sustain whatever the blow is when it's all said and done. But like, how does this like compared to the, you know, see the Arizona sort of a gold standard or even what they did Arkansas recently, like where is Alabama on the ideal scale? We're right there. We're right there with both of those. So, you know, the first two years of implementation, the priority goes to students with special needs and active duty service member kids. And then the third criteria is families with income only up to 300% of the federal property level. That's, it varies year to year, but it's not thinking of it as about $90,000 a year for a family of four. So that's the first two years. But then when we hit that third year, it becomes universal. And by universal, I mean every single student K through 12 would have the opportunity to be a part of this program in some capacity. That's switching private school, I mean switching public schools, Freudian switching public schools going from public to private or homeschooling. There will be money available for parents to make that decision, regardless of what that decision is in that year three, which is 2027, the 2027 school year. So there's some time, there's lag time. And our concern was with this lag time, people would either forget about it or feel like, oh, well, I'm not, my kids are not eligible this year. And then, you know, just not put it in their plans for the future. And the legislation was passed. Like I said, we were the 11th in the nation to have a universal school choice. It's huge. It was a huge victory credit to Governor Ivy credit to Lieutenant Governor Ainsworth, Danny Garrett, and Arthur Orr, and all the people who pushed this bill forward. It was a huge victory for the students of the state of Alabama. And the other question I would have with this final product, is it, does it keep sort of any kind of government influence and homeschooling or private schools? But does it keep that out sufficiently? Yeah, our big hangout from the Alabama Policy Institute perspective was making sure that schools that already established and homeschool co-ops and micro schools and just, you know, mom and one kid at home homeschoolers had the freedom to teach what they wanted to teach in the way that they wanted to teach it. And that was preserved in this legislation. So there is an accreditation and an opt-in process, but it is very hospitable. And the goal was to have it be an actual choice for every kid in Alabama. And I think that we've achieved that. Joined by Stephanie Olde Smith here on the program. Stephanie, it's back and it didn't take long for it to come back. My buddy, Garley Gudger, who I mean, generally like one of the happier, easygoing guys in the Alabama State House, you get this real sense that he is really put off by some of his Senate colleagues who opposed or voted against this last round, this conference committee report on gambling. And he is like, well, I'm going to bring it back up in 2025. Now, it's gotten a little bit of lukewarm response from his house counterparts, but next year again, really. Yeah, I mean, when we were when we were in the trenches fighting and making sure that the legislature has understood what it was they were voting for during the session, more than a handful of people told me, you know, hey, if y'all are able to kill it this time, it won't come back. You know, started that 20 years, went down to four years, went down to five years. Now we're here. Now we're here. And the zombie is coming back again next year. We'll see. You know, I have to, you know, where you started in this conversation, I think was the right place to start, which is there are a lot of hurt feelings. There are there is some damage repair that needs to be done between the house and the Senate vice versa. And even among some senators on this issue, because I think that some senators feel like they gave as far as they were going to go. And they made that clear. And then the negotiations, you know, slipped out from under them. And when those negotiations shifted, the expectations were that they would yield. And they did not. And that's credit to them, frankly, because to me, you know, it's been, you know, how I feel about gambling, but even outside the scope of gambling, if you are a legislator and you give your word one way or the other, you know, your word is your bond. And that's one of those things that, you know, you've got to be able to be trusted on those sides of this issue and others. And so I think that that is where kind of we are. I do, I have heard kind of the rumblings of the quote lottery only bill, which you and I know is a unicorn and does not exist. But we'll see, we'll see where the relationships are when we come back, you know, early next spring is a, there's a long time between now and then to repair some relationships. But I think there are several and not even just one, not even just three, that would have to be shifted on this issue in order for it to be a viable piece of legislation next year. Yeah. And it's, it's, Sam Gervan, who, who opposed it, was saying like, look, that whole one vote narrative in the Senate is, is, is, is garbage. I think he called it garbage, because for the, a gambling bill, what they want to do, they, they have to have it comprehensive. If you don't understand that by now and why, then you haven't been listening, but right, once they put it there in a Republican caucus sitting and it's just Republicans, it doesn't have a majority and they're not going to bring it to the floor from majority of Republicans are supporting it. Right. And that's the way the system is supposed to work. That when the the whole situation gets thrown into chaos and turmoil, when the system doesn't work that way. And again, as we saw again for ad nauseam, number of times, this gambling issue is, is very divisive externally and internally and it creates problems within the caucus. And it's one of those things that carries over into other issues. There are other issues that were left on the table because gambling took up so much of the oxygen in the room. And those other issues are really important to legislators. And so it creates a situation to where it's not even just about the gambling issue. It's about all of the things that got left on the table or got killed or weren't paid attention to that are important to those legislators as well. So that collateral damage is something that's hard to calculate, but it is definitely there. Yeah, I mean, I think there's some like just the two chambers. And I know you and I've talked about this multiple times like there's always divisions within that building. And you know, historically, it was Democrat Republican. That's just how it is. But then for a while, after the BP oil settlement, it was North versus South. Now it's house versus Senate. Like you just see problems there. And I mean, I'm not really privy to like what the discussions are behind the scenes with the pro team in the Senate and the speaker in the house. I never thought that was a good relationship. It was Marsha McCutchen. And you know, when it was Marsha Hubbard and they were due on the scene, it was, you know, it was rocketed rolling. When McCutchen came along, he pumped the brakes really hard and things kind of slowed down and they kind of got along. But like right now, with now with Senator Reed and speaker Ledbetter, I mean, this relationship between the two chambers, it is really it's got there's a lot of work that needs to be done there. Yeah, I agree. And some of it is ideological. And some of it is personality. And some of it's just straight power politics. You know, one of the things that happened, you know, I know you've talked about this with several of the different players, but you know, the last day, you know, as there were a handful of folks that kind of circumvented their own leadership to negotiate directly with the house. And that created some animosity that I also think needs to be repaired. But I would say if you're looking at the trajectory of both of those houses and whether or not they're getting along together or not, it would be an interesting study. Maybe we should do it. It would be an interesting study to see how the shift ideologically in this last quadrennium has gone for each house, meaning, I believe that the study would show that the House of Representatives has gone more moderate as far as its members and what they're willing to vote for and that the house that the house has gone more moderate and that the Senate has moved to more conservative. That's not to say that that would hold steady on every single issue, but I would think that in general, that would probably bear out if we did a study on that. Well, and you just look at it like it was always the Senate passing the gambling bills as a Senate and then things were going to kind of die in the house before this and now that shifted, but I mean, like the same with tax increases and some other things. Yeah, Medicaid, even the rumblings of Medicaid expansion, and I kind of wonder, like, the Senate kind of plays ball with the Democrats. I mean, Bobby Singleton and a Roger Smithman, they get to speak whenever they want and they've never made any rules to stop that. But I tell you what's telling Stephanie, it's this, even the Democrats in the House are complaining about the Democrats in the Senate, which tells you that the Senate is really kind of unified around the central idea. Hey, we're the Senate. Right. You know, you, you can't just go do your own thing. House expect us to go along with it when you have bipartisan sort of attitude there. Yeah, I agree. And the Senate has always operated a little bit more like a fraternity than the House. It's just by virtue of numbers and kind of general attitude. I think that that has accelerated in the last two quadrennium. And the Senate is working off of, like I said, kind of a similar set of ideological principles that may not be shared by the general House member. Now, I got in trouble for saying this, and I'm going to say it again, also, this is just a general like the way the two leadership approach is that in the Senate, the leadership treats their members like colleagues. And sometimes in the House, the leadership treats their members or the caucus and the Republicans side, like high school kids. I mean, it's just, you know, the ends justify the means. And it proved effective early on, but it doesn't give you like a clear picture kind of where the pulse is. And that's why you have like maybe a true representation of where things are by the Senate. And then the House is totally, well, how's the House so different than both Republican super majorities? Well, you're not getting because of the kind of command and control approach, you're not getting a sense of where that needle is. It's artificial. It's almost that's what they're. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And the thing I would add to that is it'll be interesting to see how that does or does not shift as we get closer to election time, because those House members are actually representatives. And so they're supposed to be representing their area. And some of the things that they've been asked to do, even in the last couple of years, probably won't pull well in their districts. And they'll, I'm guessing more than a few of them will get some primary opponents from the right. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. That there is, you know, you could make these guys walk to point so many times. And it's like, it's going to catch up. I mean, just the law of electoral politics will kick in at some point. And I don't know, though, I mean, the problem is we have 16, 17% kind of Republican turnout in these primaries, but let's turn out elections for somebody who's not, you know, necessarily funded as well as these guys has a punter's chance often, you know? Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I would argue that polling on most issues shows that the people of Alabama are more conservative than the bodies that represent them. I think that is the understatement of the day. Hey, Stephanie. It's diplomatic. Stephanie, we gotta get out here before we let you go folks want to find out more about API. How can they do so? You can look at API at alabamapolicy.org or our new website about Choose Act at Education Freedom, Alabama.com. Y'all check that out. It's a good resource. So thanks again, Stephanie. Absolutely. Thanks, Jeff. All right. We got to get a break. It here. We'll be right back. This is effing talk. 106 five. Over. Everybody making my prediction. So if I get stoned, I'm just carrying on and on. He's found it down, loaded up and trucking. Are we going to do what they say can't be done? We got a long way to go. And it's short time to get there. Time is kind of what I landed. We're about to jump for shoulder to talk one of those six five fifty six minutes after the hour two five one three four three zero one zero six. Dale Jackson coming up in the next hour. So stick around for that. Mike, it's a sad story. It's an emotional argument, but it's not logically consistent with the prolonged stance or protecting life from the beginning. Like I keep arguing, it's making an argument of viability based on how you feel not on scripture or science. No difference between that of the abortion. It's maybe true. But what do you tell them? And do you think? Do you think that's going to be a winning message? And if you lose, Michael, I guess I'm putting on defense just a little here, but not trying to win the debate. You got to lose that argument every time. One of the consequences of that abortion on demand, elective abortions on demand, and every every corner. So I mean, you got to really, really think this through from a policy, public policy standpoint. What do we do here? Do you have a band IVF based on that? Or is there a way to, is there a way for the science of and vitro fertilization or the procedure to happen to conformers with your biblical or with a biblical worldview? Because if you just say no, well, I mean, people are always going to create their own interpretation or whatever. They're going to get to yes. And you're going to, I mean, that those who determine that are just going to stop all over everything. And it's going to be hard to imagine world. And like I said, do you want to win the debate trophy or do you want to be lost the outcome here? And you got to have something to tell these women. Sorry, you're not good enough to have a child. But we're talking out of both sides of our mouth in society. I said this in the last segment, what I brought up to suck you're telling women on one hand to do the right thing, get a career, go study college, you don't need the patriarchy or whatever. It did the biological like, sensibilities kind of kick in and they decided they would have children and they had to over undergo this IVF situation. So like, how do you, how do you square that circle? We'll be right back. This is the Jeff Porsche Show. From Bucks Pocket to the shores of Orange Beach, at all points in between, an insider's perspective on Alabama politics. It's the Jeff Porsche Show. I don't think I ain't done it this way. Welcome back to the Jeff Porsche Show. And I've been talking about 065. They can stay with us on this Monday morning. Hour number three, now underway. Thanks for letting me be in touch with the show. Two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six. I'll do my best to respond to everything. So some I kind of let, well, they whither on the vine for whatever reason. Sometimes they're a little personal in nature. But anyway, still to come Dale Jackson in about a half hour, our Monday regular will be with us. I'm sure we'll impart his wisdom upon all of us here in this listening audience. Let's see here. A few things we're talking about. Gotta ask the conversation starters. And Trump Biden debate this week. How jacked up will Biden be? Ronnie Jackson yesterday going on Maria Bartlerum was Fox Show. His specula, now Trump thinks he's Biden's taking a nap. Ronnie Jackson, Congressman from Texas used to be the White House physician for Obama for Trump was it for Bush was that they're juicing Joe Biden to find the right mix of whatever performance enhancers he needs to get through the debate on Thursday night. That's the whole Camp David. What he's doing up there at Camp David. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of fascinating to suggest. But can can entertain that speculation. Also, we're on abortion is the anniversary of Dobbs. It is obvious Democrats are using this against their Republican counterparts. How should Republicans respond? Can they respond? I'm underwhelmed by the Republican response. As I said for decades, the Republican Party relied on evangelical conservatives, social conservatives to win elections. And now it feels like they are abandoning them. They're running away from the issue. They're not they don't have a, I mean, you know, go with what brought you to the dance, guys. And the Democrats are just pummeling Republicans on this. And it's not, I don't, I mean, as the country shifted that much. I don't know that it has, but anyway, that and then finally, the city of Montgomery, mayor nepotism, I mean, Reed up there. This has got a real mess on his hands. He's picking fights on social media. Every weekend, there's some kind of mass shooting. Here's gunfire just going off in different parts of town. At all hours of the day, and he has a police department that's stretched so thin. They're understaffed. There's a morale problem. He can't keep a police chief. There are problems there in Montgomery and maybe the governor calls it a national guard. I don't know, especially like you're starting to hear about MS 13 coming in and that possibility and having like a real gang warfare situation. But whatever happens is the legislature ultimately gets involved. That law that takes effect in Montgomery is going to take effect for the entire state. And that's why it's relevant. 2513430106. Um, John, don't you think voters are going to punish Republicans no matter how they react? This is because polls show that the American public favor is a legal abortion. The public, but what about registered voters? And how much legal abortion calls the Democratic party would have abortion all the way up until birth. Remember the governor blackface in Virginia? I mean, their absolutists started. And the way I would go about it is that put them on defense. Does it hurt to put them on defense to try to put them on defense to go on offense on this issue and talk about late term abortion and the horrors of it? Screw the media, screw their narrative, punch back, make them accountable for their position on abortion policy. Don't run away from the issue. That's all we're doing here. You know, like, oh my gosh, that's such a scary thing to talk about. I've got where pro life. Yay, pro life. Well, what about this and this and this, obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. Okay, let's move on. On the issue like you did in 1984. Um, Roy, we definitely need that conversation on what life begins because right now life begins with two people say it does a woman and a doctor. Well, I've been harping on this for a while and we can talk about when life begins and have that argument, but we're gonna, we're always going to disagree. And when you have these disagreements, you do rely on legal institutions to have a say, but you have to do it through the democratic process. I think in that case, Congress, it's either going to be Congress or the courts. Well, Congress can't agree. So when you have this legal, you have always had these oddball legal scenarios. And when they finally make it to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court punts. Are they find some kind of technicality? Are they use some inane argument rather than just confronting issue directly, they'll say it's states rights or it's a privacy issue. No, they need to say this is when life begins. And the Alabama legislature was trying to do that with this 2019 ban. But the Mississippi case beat them in line. And now that 2019 ban is the law of the land in Alabama. James, the official troll of the Jeff Moore show. Wow. Well, it certainly looks like Republicans use scripture as God. It's only when it suits their cause. They for sure are using scripture when it comes to don the con to grabs women by the privates. Well, James, I've always said this about that, that issue when it comes to evangelicals, supporting Donald Trump. I don't think it's about him being a boy scout or his moral character. I think it's this idea. It right or wrong. And you could agree or disagree with this. He's not going to interfere with the practice of their religion. He's not going to make them do something they don't want to do, like offer contraception to employees of the church or force them to compel them. He's not going to denigrate the sanctity of their church, forcing them to perform same sex marriages or whatever it may be. He's not going to take away their tax exemptions, but it was always kind of a fear with Obama who did try to force or try to made date birth control for the little sisters of the poor. Who won? And that's why evangelicals have a binary choice here. Don DeCon, as you call him, or Joe Biden, they're going to go with Don DeCon. It was never about him being a role model for their children or him being living in Christ's image. It was just about allowing people to make those choices for themselves and not have to spread a big government interfering here. So, I've explained this every single time. You have two choices, and this is what Christian conservatives, the hand, they're dealt. They need a queen of hearts and they got a jack of spades or whatever. Well, this is the jack of spades hand. Blue Moon writes this, "So if a woman is raped and they want to have a baby, they don't want to have the baby, why can't they take the morning after pill right then after the rape to be sure that she doesn't get pregnant? And if she desires not to do it, then she cannot get an abortion." Well, sometimes Blue Moon and I've never been in this situation. When we get raped, there's shame. I don't know the emotional roller coaster there, but thinking about a pregnancy doesn't come up until it's too late for the morning after pill. Maybe there was alcohol involved or something like that. Whatever the reason the circumstances are, I mean, the morning after pill is contraception for those of you, and then there are board of patients that are pharmaceuticals too. So, I mean, I guess sometimes things can slip through the cracks and then it becomes a that debate. Although it's rare, it's a circumstance that has to be accounted for. Abortion should be a state issue. I totally disagree. It should be done at a national level. We're talking about the sanctity of life. We're talking about life. They're not talking about the speed limit on I-10. We're talking about life. We're talking about when life begins. We're talking about these broad themes dealing with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It's a national issue. I've always thought that saying abortion is a state issue is a punt. It's a cop-out. You need to say pro-life, pro-choice. Don't tell me it should be lit up to the states. I don't like that response. I don't like the idea that Minnesota is going to determine what life begins. I think the country, if we're going to be a country, if we're going to be a nation state, we need to agree on some handful of things we can do. Like I said, determine what the speed limit is on the interstate. What kind of fertilizer you could use on your lawn or whatever. But big, big topics, big things like life and abortion. It needs to be handled by the federal government. Anderson, no one's on the abortion issue right or wrong. At least, the liberals and the Democrats are fairly unified and GOP had conservatives in the office need to grow a pair of backbones. I'm in texture. Abortion issue would be an issue with people like I come up in the '60s in two ways to stop the problem. It's ignorance that we, I guess, we left the boat at the dock. Bob sends me a picture of a t-shirt. We get it Biden's play on. We get it. Bernie's named Tester Trump must not go to jail. Their digger, if you're not old enough to vote by cigarettes, you're not old enough to change your gender. Life is hard. Learning it through life is full of choices. Part, you make the right ones and won't always, it isn't always what you want. We still got one, two, three, four, four warning texting it to we get to it on the other side. Keep on coming. This is a Jeff Porte show on FM Talk. 65. 24 minutes after the hour on this Monday morning, a quick programming note. Tomorrow on the show, Alabama State Senate pro Tim Greg Reed will be with us as well as Alabama Republican Party Chairman John Wall, one other guest to be named later. That coming up on Tuesday's program, silicone on this program next segment, Dale Jackson, so stick around for that. Let's get through these texts and then we will endeavor to talk about something else. On a texture, someone identifies as man, male, warrior, most handsome, man alive. I would probably tell the woman that what she can and can't do. Her body. If you're a pro, life, wouldn't it be in your best interest to promote anything that moves the needle for life? See what I did there. No, it's not. Uh, damn Yankee, maybe I missed the, uh, whatever the job was there. Dave. Where do I start here? Um, what about those who are not Christian? Many have said you cannot legislate morality. Well, first on that, yeah, yeah. If you're not Christian, uh, but there are people electing Christian lawmakers, well, then that's the will of the public. I mean, it doesn't, if you're not Christian, I'm sorry. I mean, I think we're going to vote. We're going to run a campaign for fear, agnostic or atheist and try to win a seat. I think the basis for the morale, their personal morality, which is what impacts how they vote or what the bills they are sponsoring or whatever is what I'm getting at here. It's not, it's not about legislating morality. It's about making moral choices as a legislator and what do they base those choices off of? And for a lot of them, none, I wish some more, especially no gambling and something like that, would base their decision making on scripture. He said, well, separation of church and state, which we have now created, uh, they conflated with separation of church and morality. You Bible flumpers out there just don't want me to have my gambling. You crazy, uh, old testament, King James version Bible flumpers are telling me that I can't go battle the tide on the weekends. How dare you? And it's, it's not that at all. I mean, there's a bunch of different things surrounding that. It's not, but that's the way it's perceived by many. Yes, I saw it. I've seen this one, the real Sam. It's the one, uh, to make you finally, a Thomas and Jim Carrey and then the, the, the old characters from a living in color, Damon Wayne's and, uh, Jean Pierre from the White House. Paul finally made it to the end here. I don't care. I don't prefer secular progressivism, which did what Dems are. I am what I am not looking for a preacher as president. Yes. It's just like you, you know, and this is where the left, this is what they do. It's either black or it's white. Well, you, if you believe in, if you believe in the Bible and that influences your choice, then you must reject on the con. Well, I mean, we're all, government is a institution of men. We're all sinners. We're all fallible because it's not like you could, if people could have liked Jesus, they would, but there's nobody else like him. No, you don't want the dirty rotten scoundrel out there. I, I don't know some kind of crook, but generally speaking, you're laying out and you're making, you're doing your cost-benefit analysis on who you're going to vote for. And you got one party saying, we must reject all tenants of Christianity. We must do what makes us feel right or feel good. It's all about you, the individual. It's, it's to me. And then the other side is like, no, we, we think church and state do have a relationship. And those are the choices. That's what the left doesn't get. They're like kind of absolutists in this regard. We'll be right back. This is after the talk about those six, five. Welcome back to the Jeff pore show. What if I'm talking about those six, five, they just stay away with us on this Monday morning. We do appreciate it. Text line, two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six. People go, guys, time permitting. We'll get to your text at some point, but joining us now on the line, he is at Yellhammer News. And also the host of the Dale Jackson show, a WV and in Huntsville, Dale Jackson. Dale, good morning. How are you? I could not be any better. I'm thrilled to be here. Thank you very much for having me. Thanks for making time for us. We always do appreciate it. Okay. Well, let's kick it off. The mayor of Montgomery's got, I mean, there's, they got problems there and well, here's what's going on, Dale. Every time this man gets in front of a microphone, he blames the Alabama legislature. So just a question for you. If it's Alabama legislature's fault, why is it their rampant crime from one end of the state to the other? Why is it just Montgomery? Well, it's also Birmingham. So don't forget that. So Birmingham also has big issues. There's some other things that we could probably look at in those two scenarios that might be more apparent than the Alabama legislature. Maybe it's the fact that they send Democrats to the Alabama legislature or that their mayors are part of Democrat machines or the fact that both of them have talked about how policing is bad. And that has trickled down into their police force, which they cannot staff and who will not do their jobs. So yeah, I mean, that's really what it looks like. And I know there's been no confidence votes here and there by the Birmingham police. But the simple fact of the matter is these guys are in charge of the police. They're in charge of the police chiefs. They're in charge of the cities. And they have these problems and they are generally unique to those areas. And they seem to be okay with that as long as they can look and blame somebody else. Here's the problem. The entire state of Alabama should be on the hook for fixing this problem because Montgomery can't get it right. And we had to do this with the school system. But when you when you elect these ideologues, this is actually in Alabama, we elect somebody who watches MSNBC and actually believes that stuff. And that's how they approach policy. This is what you get. Yep. Yep. That's exactly right. And we're all going to have to pay for it. And look, you know what? Well, let's just be real about it. They have to. That's just the way it's going to have to be. We have to decide that we're willing to do it for them for lack of a better way. You mentioned the school systems. And this is going to have to be those way. And here's your reasoning, your justification, in my opinion, for this. What do morons like Kyle Whitmire and Josh Moon, your two college roommates, I believe? What are those guys say about the crime rate in Alabama? It's higher than it is in New York City and you dummies don't understand it. And it's your fault. We've got to do something about it. But they they're the exact same way that Reid and Woodfin are the two mayors of these two cities we're talking about. They don't actually want to do anything about crime. They think the solution. They literally think the solution to cry to bring the crime rate down is to let more people out of jail. I mean, it makes absolutely no sense. Nobody truly believes it. But this is what they want. So they're going to say, Oh, well, look at Alabama as a whole. Look at the crime rate. Yeah. And if I as long as I don't have to stop at the gas station in Birmingham, or the gas station is in Montgomery, I'm generally pretty safe around these parts. And I'm sorry. That's just the way it is. But they're going to blame everyone for that. So therefore, that's our rationale for taking it over and doing something about it. Well, they blame guns. They blame constitutional carry. They blame that stuff. Glock switches. Yeah, just, you know, and maybe that is the blame with the Glock switches. But if you bang box, which is, I mean, there's still the one variable here. Were they used here? We don't know. Well, if you watch, there's a video of it is there's definitely some kind of modification or something going on. I don't know, man. Listen, I've fired a lot of rifles in my life, a lot of military rifles in my life. And I can fire a rifle. Semi automatic rifle pretty fast. And it will sound like, you know, maybe not quite automatic, but it just, I'm just not sure I buy that part. I'm not saying it's not true. Phillip Binsler. Yeah, he's well, it's like whatever he's saying. Yeah, whatever there's a mass shooting. They want to close to the gun show wood pole. It's like, this is a chance to get the Glock switch or whatever man, you know, yeah, that's exactly right. And it's like, what in the world is going on here? What's actually happening? Let's talk about what's actually going on and have that conversation with these guys. They're not serious about this. Well, they don't understand guns because it's, it's so far into them, right? They don't, they don't understand guns. They don't understand a second amendment. It's, it's, it's way too simplified to them. Well, if we just crack down on gun ownership, crime will go down. People can't be trusted with guns. It's just, it's a simplistic response to a complicated problem. And the complicated solutions are further than banning guns and locking everyone up that we have a cultural problem in our society. And we would don't want to admit that. Hell, you can't even say it in these situations. You can't say that. Like, but it is. It's clearly the, the culture has changed in the inner cities. And I mean, you know, it's, it's pretty bad. Well, that's racist, but like, well, what do you want to do? Like, you, you, you know, it's, we have, we have a, um, a mobile police sergeant down here named John. Yeah, you can talk about this all the time about the culture and the culture is the problem. And we're like, you Democrat policymakers or leaders are always like attacking the gimmick to try to score points. Yeah. They have nothing else. They have nothing else they can all. What, what are they going to say? I mean, we're to the point where they're all the only thing they can offer up that sounds even remotely good is people need to start telling on themselves. But I guarantee you, I guarantee you both Woodford and Reed have both at some point in their lives. Said, I hate snitching. Yeah, I guarantee it. Yeah, I guarantee it. The other thing is here is it's a cultural problem. There's not a government solution. The government doesn't have a solution everything, especially when it comes to culture. I mean, you can't mandate culture. Are you just North Korea, right? Are you China or whatever? You're not going to be able. And so, so their abilities to fix this problem, they just, there's no real good answer for them there. And that's maybe why the left shies away from these cultural discussions. Yeah, I don't get it. I really do not understand what the issues are in these communities other than in the actual communities. There's not problems from outside the communities causing this guns from Illinois, or excuse me, from Indiana, aren't causing crime in Chicago. The Alabama legislature isn't causing Montgomery to be a falling into a dystopian hellhole. Okay, it's just not happening. That's not true. And until they accept that, it's very unfortunate. It is dystopian, though. I mean, and it went no longer go when Montgomery was a relatively safe and nuts. I mean, it had its hard neighborhoods, but it was in a place where you could park your car in downtown Montgomery and not have to think twice about it at night. You know, now I don't think so. It's just they don't have the police, the staffing problem within the police department there, they're like 50, 60%. And if you look down the streetdale, the Montgomery County Sheriff's department, 100% staffed. What do you think it is? I don't know. That's a good point. It's a really good point. See, so that you're having those it is probably not letting them do their jobs. And why would you? Why would you be there knowing, knowing they're going to go after you for doing your job? If instead you can, you can turn yourself into a police officer at another place and be able to do your job and not knock it out. Well, it's just this idea of the be on a vacation of local municipal police departments. So it doesn't work. They just, they don't have a, they can't just own it and say, okay, we need to go back to the way things were five years ago. Yeah, they they have bought fully in to the National Democrat social justice warrior mentality, because they want to be bigger players. And they know that it is better for them to let their cities fall into disrepair and dystopian status than it is to be seen as working with conservatives or the whites. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, Oh, I came in, I'm going to change everything. It's a new era. But you know, the old era, well, I'm not talking about old era like 1960s, I'm talking about 2010. Todd Strange, that era, the wind of the one of the most scandalous thing would be somebody running down the hallway in their underwear with a gun in their pants. Chase, did you read about that? The Alabama political reporter? Do they finally cover it? No, no, I'm just saying that that was the biggest crime going on in one of their hotels there. But now you have you have these gatherings of 1000 people are more unpermitted and it somehow flies under the radar of the local police. Where's that going on? I mean, there's places in Montgomery where that could happen, but but it shouldn't had they had a fully staffed functioning police department. I mean, word gets around and the police would have come in and it could have shut that down and you may have never had this situation. I mean, it is it's wild that this happened. It's wild. It got this far and it'll be wild when they when they have a hard time finding the person to arrest in that situation. Yeah. Well, anyway, by the way, we're doing by Dale Jackson, WVNN in Huntsville and you all have her news. Dale, let's let's get out of the hell scape of Montgomery. You and I haven't talked about this at all, but I'm curious to hear what you say. Who should be Donald Trump's running mate? Marco Rubio. What does he bring? No, he brings with the demographics that people love. He have that. He has the ability to talk about immigration and how he shifted on that issue because it's changed significantly. The strategies of say the gang of eight have been bad and he knew it and now when he's learned his lesson on that, he's a young man in a comparison to Donald Trump. He's ready to do the job on day one and he's got a decent record of conservatism that will still play a little bit with some moderates in the Senate. So yeah, well, why not? You think, what do you give it though? I mean, like, the other thing is they're both from Florida, so they'll have to figure that out, right? But everyone actually, that's not a big deal. If you're in prison in New York, aren't you a resident? I mean, just so yeah. Are you a resident at Rikers Island or at the Marlago? I mean, maybe maybe maybe they force him to move back into his, into his golden prison there at at Trump Tower. Yeah, everything's like what the solid gold toilet or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wouldn't you ever like to be able to use that toilet? I don't think I really would know. I don't know a solid gold toilet. You tell you're a kid about it someday. So Marco Rubio, I think he's probably a good strong shot, but I, I still think there's a possibility of a Tim Scott or something, but I don't give me Katie Britt. It won't be Katie Britt. I'm just saying give me Katie Britt. It would be a wall. I mean, like, I pick someone that is like likely when you ask, but give me Katie Britt. You know, that that's, you know, if you give me someone that appeals to the people who you're trying to get, not people you already got. Okay, the people you already got is fine. So if you're a huge Trump fan, they don't need you. They need something else. Give me, give me someone like Katie Britt and maybe Tim Scott check some of those boxes too. Well, I was, you know, I was always told it was going to be a female. It was done. Neil, but unless it's at least a fining who's on the list, I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know. I just, uh, it doesn't, it doesn't seem to be a lot of good candidates after Christine Ohm's a disaster above a book tour. You can't murder dogs. Well, you can eat them. You can eat a dog to be president. You just can't she made the hard choices. You have dog barbecue in the Philippines, but she, you're not going to, we're not going to have you shooting a rabid dog or whatever it was. If it was a rabid dog, it would have been okay, but it was just an annoying dog apparently. I don't know. I don't understand all that. I'm told this happens a lot more than in the rural areas, but you're right. Yeah. That's great, Jeff. That's something you need to put in your memoir, right? Yeah. It's not something you need to. Yeah. It's something that people who are helping you should go because it makes you kind of question her ability to, um, uh, sus people out to be on her side. Let's put it that way. Yeah. Well, you know, and just like, the way that that shook out though, I mean, the hit was clearly coming from within Marlago. People didn't want her as a running mate or there was something, there was something going on there and cause you could just tell how all of a sudden every news out, let's talking about it. Well, somebody should have those talker points out. Yeah. I mean, once, once, once it's been made clear that it is that there's a, some blood in the water, then everyone's of course going to cover it. They're all going to cover it exactly the same way. It's so fascinating. There's all these little groups, a little clicks around Trump and they all have like his ear and they all kind of like coalesce around whatever. So there's like, it's fascinating because in a democratic administration, they're all on the same page. You've had very few leaks out of Obama. We haven't had any leaks out of Biden really because, and you know, that's a disaster, right? When Trump, Trump's president again, it'll be, it'll be 10 leaks a day. Yeah. Yeah. We'll know, we'll know before the, we'll know before the, the VP debate or the debate whose VP choice is. We'll know that. Yeah. Apparently he's announcing who was VP or who was VP is coming up. We'll know before that debate, who it is. Well, then the last question, what do you, what's your prediction on that? I think it's going to be, I, I, I hope it's Marco Rubio. Tim Scott sounds fine. No, I mean, I don't know the debate. What's your, what's your feeling? Oh, oh, I think we have an opportunity to see something for the first time ever, a massive mental malfunction by one of the candidates. And I think that that'll be well worth watching. Dale Jackson, ladies and gentlemen, Dale, folks want to find you online. They want to check out pictures of your feet. How could they do so? Well, I don't know about the feet thing, but you can follow me anywhere on social media at the Dale Jackson through social Twitter X. Go anywhere and find me there. Facebook as well. Instagram. Hey, you can also listen to me on any of my dozens of radio stations on monocross state. Dozens, dozens, dozens. You can also find me basically on TV somewhere too, occasionally. So there you go. Dale Jackson, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get a break here. We'll be right back. This is the Jeff Moore show. I've had a talk for one. Oh, six, five. Yeah, we see it on the river and we fish all day. And we drive across the country. Let the radio go. Seven damn years I never thought she'd leave.