FM Talk 1065 Podcasts
State Rep. Jennifer Fidler - Jeff Poor Show - Monday 6-24-24
I can't get to sleep at night, barking lots so loud and bright this, he hasn't worked in 20 years Probably never made a single person cold, but I can't say the same for me, I've done it many times Somebody take me home, through the window 6-5, nature's sticking with us on this Monday morning text line, you want to get involved with the program, I'm going to hit me up there, 2-5-1-3-4-3-0-1-0-6 Still to come on the program, about an hour from now, Stephanie Holden-Smith of the Alabama Policy Institute And then in the 11 o'clock hour, our Monday regular for whatever reason, Dale Jackson, WVNN up in Huntsville Will be with us, but joining us now here in the Fair Hope Bureau as we do every other Monday is a state representative, my state representative, representative, good morning, how are you? I'm doing great, how are you doing, Joe? Living the dream here, I guess is the way to say, I don't know, but no, oh no, I forgot to mention this in the beginning of the program I did get to go see your college play softball this weekend and pull out a marathon ten inning win I guess the Mississippi legislature and Jackson, well Pearl, Mississippi to be precise, but out right outside of Jackson Congratulations to my colleagues and I'm so sorry, I wasn't able to make it, I had some plans that I'd already had made and down just a staycation we had here with a bunch of folks coming in, so I was not able to make it but congratulations to all my colleagues and I did not ever doubt that they would pull it out, I heard that Mississippi had a lot of it was just really proud that we were coming over and I heard there was a lot of great relationships developed a lot of conversations started, so it sounds like it was a successful weekend Yeah, it's the way it looked to me, you kind of got into town on Friday and then bailed out right after the game but it's a cool event to see stuff like that, and then just go and it was also cool to see where Mississippi Braves play so my little guy enjoyed it, but anyway, enough of that, let's kick it off here and you and I are kind of talking over the break about this next year, well I would assume, you had the IVF fixed in place this year next year, like a real program here, a real bill that is more comprehensive, not a band-aid it's going to have to be applied IVF in Alabama, wouldn't you think? I hope so, I know we've had a lot of conversations regarding it amongst our colleagues and I hope we can get something that works for everybody there's a lot of unknowns, like the general public, we probably need to talk a little bit about IVF and kind of get everybody understanding what the whole arguments or the whole concern is about it when a couple is not able to have a child and they go through this in vitro process I mean there's a couple things you can do, you can go through artificial assimilation in vitro, in vitro is where you take, you know, the woman's egg, you do an egg retrieval program and this all timed, the woman goes through and she's given herself shots to produce more eggs and so these eggs are viable and when they're put in a petri dish with their spouse's sperm and so that's all in this clinic and then they go through a process where they say okay, are these actually going to make this embryo? are they going to get fertilized, is this egg going to get fertilized? Right, they give it like a probability rating, valuable, not viable or whatever Well, every day the nurse calls and she says alright, we've got, you know, you had ten, your eggs, they fertilized but today we move down to eight and that's how many, that's looking good The next day she calls and this is about a five or six day process where every day the nurse calls and says alright, we got, now we were down to seven but they're looking good, you know, they're grading four, they're grading five, they're grading three, you know, two of them not looking too good and then you get on down to the last day and you may not have any, you may have three, you may have, you know, it's just a toss up what, how many fertilized embryos that have their cells divided that you look that could be viable Those are, those can be put back in the woman in the embryo in the womb, they may or may not take so that's why when the doctor, he may go back in and put a single in, he may go back in and put a twins in, you know, two or three it depends on how great those eggs are looking or some couples decide to just do genetic testing and freeze them and do another egg retrieval the woman goes through back through that egg retrieval process, it's all timed, you know, through the cycles of a woman and I guess this is, you know, the critical part because she's taken a lot of hormones to make her body produce these eggs it's, so she's all over the place, you know, hormonal, emotions, that sort of thing they, you may have two or three of these egg retrieval processes, you know, three or four, it depends on how these eggs come out and at the end of the day, you know, if you do that genetic testing, then, you know, you go and you test them well, I've got somebody, I won't name, went through the process, and they tested, they had three eggs tested all of them, there were too many chromosomes or not enough chromosomes so after three egg retrieval processes, they go through, have three embryos that are looking great go back and do the testing and there's none that can be put back in the womb, the woman's womb and this is kind of the, some of the controversy here because how many of those embryos, when they're put in those storage containers, are actually viable they're liable today, but when they're put back in or when they tested, are they going to have too many chromosomes or not enough chromosomes because if you're in that situation and they're being put back in the woman, they're going to be aborted by nature I mean, that's just the, what's going to happen so that's kind of the, you got all these embryos in this case, how many are actually going to be developing into a child? I mean, what's the percentage? It depends on that woman's eggs and that man's sperm and then embryo and the quality and that sort of thing I think there's a lot of unknowns out there about that whole process Right, and you know, we get into viability, that's sort of the left argument about abortion and viability that we, we got to like define when life begins I think, ultimately, to figure this out, but is it, and I use it to the, to the, to the, to the Senate talking about it like, is it a heartbeat? Is it when the embryo attaches to the uterus, like, where are we going to start applying, like, protections to these embryos? And, you kind of put the Alabama Supreme Court in this position with this wrongful death suit that these, I mean, was it property that got damaged? Are you going to classify these embryos as property that the, you know, what happened at the infirmary there? Are you going to classify them as human beings and there's a wrongful death component? And this is like a very difficult thing, they had to figure out and write about and their, their opinions And that's what they came to, that this, what else would it be, the other than the human life these embryos? So, so, like, what, what do we define those as and doesn't matter at what stage they are at in their development? Yes, and I think we have to go back to scripture to see what the scripture says are Bible. I mean, because it does talk about life's, God talking about knowing you and your womb and your mother's womb, right? The utero is developed. I mean, once you start growing in the utero, pretty much is what scripture says. There's a couple different places that it talks about that. So, in my mind, that's where we have to kind of start. That's where we start. You're probably going to make some people sit their hair on fire talking about scripture there, but, but I think that's right. If we're going to use that as the basis for, for this whole discussion, we need to like, we need to decide here and, and when life begins. But the, the, the dissent in that Alabama Supreme Court case, there was, it was, it was, it was two votes, but it was a great cook. It was kind of talking about it when they passed that wrongful death law in the late 1800s. There was no way they could have imagined at the time that there would be IVF science like we have today. And if you were a strict constructionist, if you don't believe that these things are, are, are like living and breathing balls that sort of kind of evolve over time to the current conditions, then you, you really look, what was the original intent, intent of that law in the 1800s, would it, would it have applied? It was, we'll sell ours a great cook. So, would, would, were they attending for this to apply in these circumstances? And if they couldn't even fathom the science of IVF, then why are we interpreting the law for these people that passed the law? And it's really incumbent on the legislature to make this decision, the current legislature, and not rely on that past law. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, who could have, and I, again, things could change in the future. So, I mean, you think about that life in a petri dish outside a woman's womb. I mean, what does that mean if we classify that and it grows in a way that we could manipulate, humans could manipulate? I mean, think outside the box. What, that's our feature that it's an unknown. It's just an unknown. So, to me, I'd have to, I'd go back to scripture and I'd know our chairman, our chairwoman. That's where she had it in her mind, you know, where that starts, life starts. And I agree with that. The other thing is this, and I don't think people understand this because it's, I mean, if you don't understand IVF, it's not something we talk about all the time. The reason they extract so many eggs that they're just, it's like throwing darts at a dartboard eater, hoping to hit the bullseye when the more shots you have at it, the more chances of its success, you're going to have. So it's not just, and this is what, you know, why it's done this way. It's not necessarily a reckless endeavor. But they know that there's fertility problems here and it's going to take, you know, a number, which is multiple retrieval sometimes. And I just, well, I know, assuming that they're operating in good faith, they're not just doing it to do it. They're doing it to try to increase the chances of a pregnancy. Yeah, and I can tell another story, that particular story that I just told with the three eggs, that person chose to do three because if there were three viable eggs, that's how many she would have had. That's how many children. So there was three, possibility three, possibility two, one, zero, but didn't want to go through it again and not, you know, have more than that to be with the stage in life this person was. But I've heard other stories where they had nine embryos and had one child. One, you know, nine. Everybody's so different, right? Like, there's not like, you can't assign an arbitrary number to this. Certainly because, I mean, biology is just, it's random. It's, it's, it's the way the world is. It's a, yeah, and it's, it's a risk. There's so many things that our ladies are going through now, our families, our young families. It's just stress, it's a risk, but it is something that we are giving life to. I mean, so many families, and I mean, we know of, you know of the people, people who are listening out there. They've had a daughter. They've had someone that has gone through this as sister. They've gone through it. It's way more than you start talking to people. You will find out that they've someone, many people probably that you know have gone through this. I mean, it's, it's, you're right. You always hear the expense of the process. It's not cheap. It's most insurance don't cover this health insurance plans. And the other part, it's like all the pharmaceuticals that people have to buy that do it. And who knows what these hormones are doing to your body, right? That's right. That's a risk. It's a risk. And I mean, these ladies are, you know, it's worth it to have a child, you know, for their fate, you know, a piece of them, a piece of their husband, you know, to, to move on. I mean, all that stuff. It's the biological imperative. I mean, people have family and, you know, I get it. But then we have all these waiting, you know, like, the problem is it's never really been fully understood, I think, of how to approach it. And now, now you're in this tough place. They backed Alabama into a corner here. Like, where are we going? You know, and you have people who just think you should just, like, you saw this other Baptist convention said, I mean, they got some reservations. I mean, they got some reservations about it. You have all these people kind of backed into a corner here trying to figure out what the right thing to do and what the politics hanging over you. So I know like, but there's got to have to be something done this next year, the next year or two, right? I think there is. I mean, and I know our leadership wants to do something. I mean, that they don't want to keep kicking the can down the road. As you see, our leadership is not about kicking cans. They're about addressing the elephant in the room. So I know that our leadership, yeah, wants to look at it, wants to address it. And I'm just like to encourage the folks that don't know a whole lot about it. Talk to people that do that have been through it. Let them hear their experiences. Because it is a life changing on both sides. If you don't become pregnant for a family, if you do become pregnant, you know, that is their, you know, their children that you're seeing, you know, your kids are playing ball with. It is a life changing experience. And, you know, we've got a lot of leadership that may not are some of our folks up there that don't know, but I do know that we have a great group. My colleagues will listen. They are going to be hearing their other colleagues. So I encourage people to keep talking about it. Well, it's sad. And even if you like, it's so politicized that, you know, whatever Alabama does is going to be poo pooed by the left. So I don't know. But we can only control what we can control in these circumstances. Let's get a quick break in here. We've got Jennifer Fiddler, State Representative Silver Hill here with us. I get her regular pair. It's very back. This is a Jeff pore show. What if I talk about 065? Captain Flowers on the wall that don't bother me at all. Playing solitaire took dawn with the deck of 51. Smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Panger and I don't tell me. Look about to the Jeff pore show it at the top. What a 65. Thanks for sticking around on this Monday morning to 51 3 4 3 0 1 0 6. Going to be in touch with the program. So to come on the program this morning, Stephanie Old Smith, the Almond Policy Institute and Dale Jackson, WV&N up in Huntsville and Yella Hammer News still with us for just a few more minutes here. State Representative Jennifer Fiddler, a couple of things upcoming now. Speaker Ledbetter is scheduled to be here next, well, no in August, right? Easter Shore Republican women and they are doing a now a night meeting there. I think they do too. They do a. They do a lunch. Oh, no, this will be the lunch. This will be the lunch. So the speaker of the house, the head of our leadership for the House of Representatives will be here in Fair Hope. So happy to have him and right in front of the business council of Alabama conference here that is held at the Grand Hotel. He'll be speaking at the Eastern Shore Republican women's group and that's at the Fair Hope Yacht Club. They meet at the Fair Hope Yacht Club. Yeah, and they do. We're going to have Judy Barlow on to talk about it, but they got a bunch of guests here. Stephanie Bryant coming up here next week, Haas Mack, their evening meeting and then Speaker Ledbetter coming up on August 8th. So, you know, and just real quick here, we were talking about kind of big things the legislature will deal with. Well, I mean gambling is probably not going to happen. What do you think the big things are left to do this quadrantium? Oh, gosh. I think everybody. Well, we've got the ethics. Yeah, and we're going to get that report back. So kind of, OK, just to give everybody a representative Simpson, Daphne, Baldwin County that has worked on the ethics bill and we weren't able to get the Senate to look at it, take it up and really study it. So we asked a consultant. We're asking a consultant to look at it. A group kind of outside Alabama that really will look at it and kind of give us their opinion and their report is going to be due at the first of the legislative session next year. So that'll be big. You would. I mean, like, I guess not that you've had a chance to kind of look at ethics at this state. I mean, I was kind of a symptom on this one. Something needed to be done. Now, it had its detractors. My friend, Stan McDonald, who for Bear Force came on this show to blast it, but the ethics commission and some of the senators and the media. So whenever, whenever this is brought up, it's the third. I watched this numerous times over the years when they try to go back and fix what they did in 2010. It becomes this third world hot potato and it makes it very hard to accomplish. It's complicated. It's complex. I mean, I've heard the people that I guess are critical that, you know, we're wondering is this the right way is the ones that say, okay, if we let our locals kind of make sure that, you know, they do the press and charges. Is that getting our local politics and thinking it should be statewide? But they did a lot of great work on that ethics bill. We'll see to be continued over. So thanks for coming by. We'll do it again in a couple weeks. Absolutely, Jeff. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. We'll be right back. This is the Jeff Porsche one of the talk one oh six five. ♪ I'm a chair when I'm ♪ [BLANK_AUDIO]