My name is Christian Ashley, a seminary student and servant of God. And you were listening to the Let Nothing Movie podcast, a proud Amazon Ministries podcast. Welcome back, everyone, to the Let Nothing Movie podcast. I'm your host Christian Ashley joined again as we continue through the plagues and finish today with Nick, Paul, how's it going, Nick? I'm feeling so good. You know, me being here throughout the plagues, I feel like just fits my personality a little bit, you know? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, kind of yeah, kind of an underground, you know, goth girl, you know what I mean? You're my favorite underground goth girl. Oh, thanks. Yeah, I have had an absolute blast having you on the show. The disagreements we've had, the agreements we've had, like just to fund the references we've made to the various media we really like. Oh, yeah, it's been a very richly rewarding experience to me. And I'm sad to see you go, but I also know you have other things you need to do. And I'm glad I got you for three straight weeks. Yes. And that doesn't mean there won't be more content that we can hang out with each other on the internet for, you know, absolutely. There'll be more stuff for systematic ecology at some point. I know Joshua has it in the plans to do a what if Godzilla attack South Park episode that we're going to be on. Oh my gosh, I'm looking for that one. Oh, as well, I know you guys won't be able to see this, but Nick will. I happen to purchase. Yeah. Recommend a book of wonderings, Akayem Potox, a history of the Jews based on his words, and I'm ready to get into it. I just got it recently. So oh, that's just that. Did you order it online or find it at a used bookstore or Amazon? Nice. Very nice. Oh, yeah. So well, nothing else. We're going to get into Exodus today, chapters 11 through 12. I will be reading chapter 11, one through 10. The Lord said to Moses, get one plague more. I will bring upon Pharaoh and upon Egypt afterward. He will let you go up from here where he lets you go. He will drive you away completely. Speak now into hearing of the people that they ask every man of his neighbor and every woman of her neighbor for silver and gold jewelry. And the Lord gave the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians. Moreover, the man Moses was very great in the land of Egypt and the sight of Pharaoh's servants and in the sight of the people. So Moses said, thus says the Lord about midnight, I will go out in the midst of Egypt. And every first born in the land of Egypt shall die from the first born of Pharaoh, who sits on his throne, even to the first born of the slave girl who was behind the hand mill and all the first born of the cattle. That should be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there has never been, nor ever will be again, but not a dog shall growl against any of the people of Israel, either man or beast, that you may know that the Lord makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel and all these your servants shall come down to me and bow down to me saying, get out, you and all the people who follow you. And after that, I will go out and he went out from Pharaoh and hot anger. Then the Lord said to Moses, Pharaoh will not listen to you that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt. Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh and the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart and he did not let the people of Israel go out of his land. What jumps out to you from chapter 11? Yeah, I think this is like the first one out of the plagues that describes Moses leaving angry, which I'm like, are you would assume that they're probably angry because it's like they're people and they're enslaved and Pharaoh keeps like not letting them go. But it has to be significant that this is the first time that it's described here. You know, there must be a time where Moses is like, actually, like, all right, dude, like, how long are we going to be doing this? You know? Yeah, it's that one thing like Moses knows what's coming and he's known it the previous times. But this is one that's like going to hurt the most. Yeah, it's only personal and like you still won't listen. Did you not just hear what I said would happen? Well, no wonder he's upset because this is going to cause an immense loss of life that could have been avoided. Yeah. Oh, and it's, it's those people. That was if Moses is people as well, you know, grew up in the, in the, in Pharaoh's household and all that stuff, or at least in, you know, the Egyptian royalty and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is more, this is more of a righteous anger and like, how, how could you not see reason here? How could you not stop this from happening? This is not something of like, I hate Pharaoh and he didn't listen to me and I'm going to leave. This is why won't you listen to me? I want to prevent this hardship from happening to you. And I think, I mean, this is a good example of righteous anger, but oftentimes in our own lives, we're going to meet people who no matter how we treat them or respect them or love them, they're just never going to repent. Yeah. They're never going to be good. So a natural thing to feel that would be to get frustrated. And that's okay. But it's when that frustration turns an anger against that person. We need to be just careful of. And I think we need to learn from Moses here. If there's anyone who deserved to be angry at its pharaoh, right, but he didn't turn it to anger against pharaoh, he turned it anger against pharaoh's actions. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, I think it's interesting too, that at least here, Moses, you know, the Lord speaking through Moses doesn't say the angel of the Lord is coming, but I will go out to the people, you know, which I was like, man, you know, if I guess if God is I need to, I can't remember exactly if they use the angel of the Lord or angel of death in the next chapter. But it's interesting at least at this point, God's like, you know, I got a, I got a, I got a once again, get down and do the dirty work. Yeah. And this whole thing is because he promised it would happen. His wrath on the Egyptian people is as absolute as it is to kill every first born regardless of their social status because he promised it would happen in Exodus four and 21 and 22. Yeah. And he said that God said that the price of pharaoh not letting Israel, who by the way, is God's firstborn son, him not letting them go, was for the Egyptian people to lose their firstborn child. Now there are plenty of people who argue about whether he should have done this or not, but I'm on the team of God is not a God of making idle threats. Right. And he's going to follow through. I'm not happy about the end result. I don't have to be, but once again, this whole time, pharaoh could have prevented this from happening, but he failed to curb his own pride. And now the entire country has to suffer. Yeah. One, that's throughout the, the writings of the Bible, right? The one thing you can do is trust God, you know, to follow through with his word. Yeah. And I hate to say it, but that's exactly what's about to happen. Yeah. One of the minor thing, it's a very beginning with a reference to the Israelites taking jewelry from their Egyptian neighbors. That's a callback to God's message to Moses and Exodus three, 21 and 22. Okay. I promised that this very thing would happen. And yeah, sorry. Nick is typing me a private message about cats being a menace. I know we, I don't know if you wanted me to say that. We can cut this out if you want. No, that's totally fine. I'm going to go and he's being a little freak. Yeah, yeah, we can policy here and Joshua can take it out if you want to take care of him. Sorry. He's like, he, he knocked over a whole stack of books. That's good. We just avoided the whole catastrophe there. Yeah. All right. So, so, yeah, getting back into this thing of things, this was a reference. Like I said, Exodus three, what God says is going to happen. And for Moses's position there, it's going to be like one of the most ridiculous things you've ever heard, like the Egyptians, the mighty Egyptian Empire. They're people are going to be giving our people the slaves, their gold, their jewelry. And yet in just the next chapter, it's like they can't give enough away just to get them out of their sight. Right. Because of what's happened here. So I just thinking of how, how it started versus how it's ending. Yeah, legitimately, legitimately. Just the freeze frame, that freeze frame moment on Pharaoh's face. It was like, I bet you're wondering how it got here, you know, like this is it. That reminds me, I should have said, on the last episode of Exodus. We dealt with the last couple of flags and Pharaoh refusing to repent again and again. And now we're here on the final 10th plague, the spear bomb. It's coming. Oh gosh. Okay. You got anything else for me? Move on to chapter 12. No, you know, it's just that we get a quick before it says they performed all the wonders. And once again, Pharaoh's heart is hardened and he didn't let the people go. And there's no ambiguity about whose fault it is. Right. At the end of the day, it's like you had every opportunity in the world, buddy. Yeah. It wasn't good enough. So if we go from there to chapter 12 verses one through 13, the Lord said to Moses and Aaron and the land of Egypt, this month shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you till all the congregation of Israel that on the 10th day of this month, every man shall take a lamb according to their father's houses, a lamb for a household, and if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbor shall take according to the number of persons. According to what each can eat, you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male, a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats and you shall keep it until the 14th day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lands at twilight, then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two door posts and the lentil of the houses in which they eat it. They should eat the flesh that night roasted on the fire with unleavened bread and bitter herbs, they shall eat it. Do not eat any of it raw or boiled in water, but roasted its head with its legs and its inner parts. And you shall let none of it remain until the morning, anything that remains until the morning, you shall burn. In this manner, you shall eat it with your belt fastened, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand, and you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord's Passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night. And I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. And on all the gods of Egypt, I will execute judgments. I am the Lord. The blood shall be assigned for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you. And no plague will befall you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt. Take it away. You know, this whole passage is so significant just because we get so much stuff here, we get the base, the events of Passover, the instructions for Passover to that people that Jewish folks are still telling the story and still celebrating today. You know, we get the beginnings of like what will be the foundation for the Israelite sacrificial system, you know, and then, of course, later on into the New Testament, we'll see Jesus being symbolized as the blood of the lamb. And, you know, we still use that language being saved by the blood of Christ and things like that. So there's like all of that stuff is in the begins in these first 13 verses in this in this chapter. It's just, it's just, it's just crazy. There's so much there. And it's wild just how much is jam packed into this chapter alone. And then forget about that. What about just these verses? Yeah, because we're going to go through Israel leaving the 10th plague happening right before that. And then like establishing some rules before they actually leave. Right. There's so much here. And it's, it's not the part people really focus on too much. Outside of the Passover is we start a calendar based on this day. Yeah. Like Israel being free from captivity is such a monument occasion that the entire calendar has to be changed to reflect the occasion. Like even later on when they become a nation and they spend their time either struggling with God or worshiping God, they're going to always have this calendar system in place to remind them of what God has done for them in the Passover. I mean, but forgetting about the future, just for now, this is the beginning for the people of Israel. Yeah. Huge, huge, a linchpin in the entire history of even our own history, the beginnings of even to our the Gregorian calendar and stuff like that, that transitions. Yes. Yeah. Just cool stuff. And if it does, you know, if I remember correctly, they use like a lunar calendar for their setup just based on the different phases of the moon during the year, but it's starting around this time would be like their happy new year. Yeah, I agree. I think that's right. Yeah. I'm sure if any, if we have any Jewish listeners that are practicing Jews, they will let us know for wrong. Yeah. I'm always open to being corrected. If I say something wrong, yeah, yeah. And in this chapter two, we kind of get an important Hebrew word, which you know, is always my favorite thing to study. And that word is seeing Israel referred to as the kahal. That is something we would translate as either a congregation or assembly. And the general idea behind that word is that God is further setting them apart as a people and a nation, especially designed to live in service and community to him. There's another word we'll get to later on called a da, which is a same meaning, but under different circumstances, I don't pretend to understand. I do know that. Yeah, we'll get them when we get there. So for the rest of the Old Testament, primarily in the Pentateuch, but you'll see the prophets bring it up too. Kahal is going to be brought up to describe Israel's special relationship with God compared to other nations. Mm. Yeah. And I think we miss it when it's like you were talking about people kind of tending glaze over this part because it's so instructional. And it kind of gives some Leviticus and numbers vibes. And honestly, like, I know those are like the jokes, but going through Leviticus and numbers, if you can make it through the procedures, it's very repetitive too. But like there's so much good stuff in between where you just learn about the culture of Israel, God's people, God wants. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to come in there with a specific mindset. And it's not I'm going in here for the history. Well, you've got like the incident with Aaron's sons and Leviticus. And that's about it. And then later on, a number of some really cool things happen with war, but the beginning is censuses and laws and wanderings and stuff like that. So yeah, I get why people have the reputation against it, because, hey, I'm one of those people sometimes, sometimes I get bored reading those parts because they're not the cooler parts of the Bible, but they serve a purpose. Right. And if I just I just look at them and go, oh, that's just instructional for them. At that specific time, then I'm losing a lot of what comes next. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else you want to add? I don't think so. You know, if there's people, well, you know, if people are bored, I know I'm a big obviously surprise, surprise mentioning Tolkien on the podcast once again. But, you know, I was, I'm a nerd. I still like to look at the genealogies of elves in the geographies and maps. And once someone was like, then why don't you enjoy, you know, looking at scripture in that way? And I was like, Oh, dang, that's a really good question. All about. So I took that mindset of nerding out about Tolkien and brought it to scripture. So if you're, if you're a huge nerd out there and you have PhD levels of knowledge about something that will not make you any money, take it to the Bible, you know? Yeah, that's a good point to make. Cause yeah, sometimes we can get in our fandoms, be like, yeah, I want, I'll know all these obscure facts about this. And I'll read them every all day long, or I'll know the lineage of this specific elf or this specific, how Aragorn comes from Numenoid, you know, all that mess. Oh, yeah. And then I go, okay, well, what about the people of Israel? Like there's a reason they kept these genealogies down. It wasn't just for the sake of writing them down. Like it meant something. That's where they came from. That's how they could have an assurance that they were still part of the covenant, the promise. And if you miss that, you're missing a lot. Right. Yeah. And the laws too make a lot more sense. If you're looking at what Jesus has to say about him later on, if you don't know, well, why do I no longer have to excuse myself from the assembly just because I'm having some disease or something like that or very bad issues with my body, then be very grateful. We don't live in those times anymore. Yeah, get that legalistic stuff out of here. I got two more things for this one, this part. So we start with the lamb. Obviously, there's a whole, you know, Jesus blooded the lamb like we mentioned earlier, but specifically the sort of physical parts here, the lamb was supposed to spend time with the family for several days. So that they grew attached to it for it being there. It's presence and it also had to be without blemish because they needed to make a sacrifice and it needed to be an acceptable one. It's not really that much of a sacrifice. If you say, well, I'm going to buy this lamb and, you know, that'll cover my sins. Like you actually get to have to, we get attached to this creature, this other being for a little bit and then give it up. Right. Which is a far lesser version of God giving up Jesus, but still there's an attachment that forms there. Yeah, they're supposed to feel a loss. Yeah. And refusing to kill this lamb, mid death. So by not killing, you are not preserving life. It's just weird, almost, almost a paradox. You know, if the lamb were human, I'd be more willing to go that route. But if you don't do, if you don't kill this animal, your family is not safe. Right. And if you don't, if you use a subpar specimen that also meant death, because you're not in it to win it, you're giving God the least good, something that's like kind of how you feel about your own sins in a sense of, well, I'm doing this for the sake of doing it. So I'll just buy some sickly lamb that's already going to die anyways. And that's missing the point. Right. And yeah, and God demanded his people to follow through with his commands as perfectly as possible. God knows we're not perfect. We're never going to be perfect. But there's still a holiness that comes in. Hey, follow what I say and do anything else would be unable to save them from the coming deaths of the firstborn. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that. It's like the difference between praying that God gives you the power to turn away from any type of sin that we're struggling with, where we actually have to put in some work as opposed to the quick little, you know, dear God, please forgive me. OK, I'm covered for the next weekend, you know. And we laugh because we do exactly that. Oh, yeah. How many times have I prayed that simple play that, you know, Lord, forgive me for what I've done. Amen. And moved on with my life. And there was no actual repentance. Right. It was, I know I've done wrong. Well, I'm supposed to pray and ask for forgiveness, but that I actually ask for forgiveness. I was just saying words. Yeah. One last thing for this bit. So before the lamb could be eaten, the blood needed to be placed above the doorways and drained out so that the house had to follow these specific instructions, then after that was done, the people would eat so that nothing went to waste, making sure that they were also dressed as if they were about to leave for a journey in the middle of the night as they needed to not waste their time either. And we get to the whole unleavened bread thing to is, you know, is being prepared as such because it took last time to make and would serve as a symbol of this for generations to come by leaving nothing behind that by burning everything after the lamb, there was nothing they had to worry about as far as cleaning or anything, they were ready to go. And it's meant the family would have no reason to store the food and would be truly motivated to leave their homes behind for the promised land. I'm sorry. I had one more thing after this. I apologize. Yeah, I love it. Bring it in. Okay. So we've been talking this whole time and I've been all over the place. Do I actually believe, you know, God is actually fighting the Egyptian gods or this is him actually calling them out. This is one of those verses here. We get in 12. We're like, he explicitly states that he is fighting against the gods of Egypt. Like, and on all the gods of Egypt, I will execute judgments. So there's a couple of ways to take that. And we've been debating it to here. Like, does that mean the gods themselves are real? Are they just idols made by men? And this is God's way of saying that's what they are. We can debate this to this day. And as some people just use this verse to say plainly, they're actually real or plainly. This is God just saying, I am actively doing all these things against them. I understand that point of view. I don't really go with the belief that they're actually real. Yeah. But I could see why someone would think that. And either way, God has proven his, his life, try to combine, combine the words superiority and supremacy. So I'll say both superiority and supremacy over them and show that they were worthless. Yeah. You know, and even to like the, I've read stuff that I like that. I think this type of language works, whether you believe, whether anyone believes like if demons are real or real powers or not, is that like these gods, you know, are perceived by Egypt are demonic precisely because of the way in which they execute their power, you know, that they're, I mean, there's more to it than that, you know, metaphysically, if you want to get nerdy. But based on that, though, the empire, evil empires are demonic. And so when God is showing this, that God, who's the God of love, a God of justice, of God of redemption, all these things, right, is that he is using or posturing himself and acting in a way that is antithetical to the demonic powers of the world. You know, yeah, I was just about to use that word to I like it. It's like your culture, your beliefs are so antithetical to me. I have to explicitly state it so that you know just how weak and powerless you are compared to me because none of them, even assuming they were demonically influenced or actually real gods or whatever, had the power to stop me, Yahweh. Well, and God, you know, this is very unique to which we'll see in the way that Jesus later, the power comes from not domination, but through death on a cross is that God is a God who actually dwells with God's people who works with Aaron and Moses instead of only demanding sacrifice, you know, retribution, complete separateness. Now there's senses of holiness and things like that. But ultimately, this God is one of the first places. So for one of the first instances of a God that travels with this God's people instead of a singular temple where people have to go only. And that's going to be surprisingly literal in the next couple of times. Right. I know we're not there, but the idea of the cloud by day, fire by night, surrounding the camp and you still complain and you still say God doesn't care. And I'm like, am I that weak? I know the answer is yes, because you know, it's easy to make the Israelites punching bags and say, well, if I were there, I would have acted differently. It's the same scenario with Adam and Eve. Like, well, if I had been there, I wouldn't have eaten of the fruit. Yeah, probably not. Now, yeah, I think things would have been worse if I had been there. I think I would have been complaining the most. Yeah, I might have been the first one to go. You know, as soon as the snake shows up and is like, Hey, you want this apple? Be like, yeah, probably that actually sounds good. I've been thinking about it for a while now. Well, I didn't even finish my sentence. Uh, you were just a motivation. I needed would you like? Yes, yes. Give it to me now. And a lot of that is just people talking in hindsight too. But I did think if we just get blinded by looking at this and saying, you know, these are real historical things, which I say, yes. And you go, well, God was literally there. I would have been, I would have shown stronger faith in this moment. I wouldn't have grumbled a complaint. It's like, I don't think you understand yourself that well. Yeah, I mean, similarly, like when we look back, especially when you're a child, but as you get older, how many times have we heard the history of the Holocaust? And we're like, I would have been different. Yeah. And you're like, I don't think you understand the political implications of that matters when you resist a entire government regime that will literally kill you and everyone that you love, like, yes, you know, that's so easy to say. Well, if I had been born at that time, I would have spoken up for them. And you would have been executed just into a concentration camp. Right. If you're lucky, right. You know, we love to, we love to think that we could be a Dietrich Bonhoeffer or, you know, someone like that. But he said, there's, there's one Dietrich Bonhoeffer, you know, and very few in between. And he did hit a work amazingly well. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to 14 through 28. Cool. This day shall be for you a memorial day and you shall keep it as a feast of the Lord throughout your generations as a statute forever. You shall keep it as a feast. Seven days, you shall eat unleavened bread. And on the first day, you shall remove leaven out of your houses. For if anyone eats what is leaven from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. On the first day, you shall hold a holy assembly. On the seventh day, a holy assembly. No work shall be done on those days. But what everyone needs to eat that alone may be prepared by you. And you shall observe the feast of unleavened bread. For on this very day, I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt. Therefore, you shall observe this day throughout your generations as a statute forever in the first month from the 14th day of the month of evening. You shall eat unleavened bread until until the 21st day of the month is at evening. For seven days, no leaven is to be found in your houses. If anyone eats what is leaven, that person will be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a sojourner or a native of the land. You shall eat nothing leaven in all your dwelling places. You shall eat unleavened bread. Then Moses called all the elders of Israel and said to them, go and select lambs for yourselves according to your clans and kill the Passover lamb. Take a bunch of hiss up and dip it in the blood that is in the basin and touch the lentil in the two door posts with the blood that is in the basin. None of you shall go out of the door of his house until the morning. For the Lord will pass through the strike the Egyptians. And when he sees the blood on the lentil and on the two door posts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to enter your houses to strike you. You shall observe this right as a statute for you and for your sons forever. And when you come to the land of the Lord will give you as he has promised, you shall keep this service. And when your children say to you, what do you mean by this service? You shall say it is to sacrifice of the Lord's Passover for he passed over the houses of the people of Israel in Egypt when he struck the Egyptians, but spared our houses and the people bowed their heads and worship. Then the people of Israel went and did so as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did so much, so much more stuff. Like we said, just even these next 14 verses are just packed with just, if we were Bible scholars, we could probably write books on just these verses individually, you know, right? The two things that stuck out to me were just the, like you were talking about the beginning of the calendar, but just this also beginning of separateness and distinctions to demonstrate the people of Israel as the people of, you know, of God, of Yahweh, right? They have to do these things, not just as a remembrance, but also as a distinguishing factor to show that they're different from the Amalekites, you know, Egyptians, et cetera. Yes. And on top of that, they, and I also, I'll say this and then I want to ask you a question is, you know, the way that God talks about, he'll pass over, right? The things, but then it says, I'll send out to the destroyer, we'll pass your house. And so wanted to get your thoughts on the destroyer, because some people say it was an angel, you know, other people have talked about how, especially in Job, how Satan and the Hebrew word for Satan is like the adversary and not saying that it's not the same word, but talking about how God, instead of Satan being kind of like a, at least at this point, understood as like a separate entity that worked against God was a part of a fallen angel, a part of the heavenly host or whatever, that God specifically utilized for God's purposes. So I don't know where, where are you at with the destroyer, the angel of death, Satan, all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's one of those, it's like, depends on who's translating is like, is this an angel of death? Is this a demonic entity of some sort that God is just letting loose? I tend to go with this God being physically involved, number one, but joined by an angel or the angel of death. And who would be the destroyer? I don't think this is Jesus, angel of the Lord. I think this is a separate entity who specific job is to be in moments like this. Kind of like, I'd have to re look at those verses again, but maybe in second Kings 19 when the Assyrians are all around Jerusalem and God lets loose the destruction of the Assyrians and kills 185,000 of them. Maybe that's like a specific purpose is for moments like that. So yeah, I could see what someone would argue a demonic entity that God allows to use for his own purposes. I don't know if I would buy it. But yeah, I stick with the angel of death kind of idea. Cool, cool. How about you, man? I just being honest, I do not know. Um, that's a great answer. Yeah. I will say that my, my metaphysical commitments, I don't believe in demons or angels. Um, I believe that there, that the world functions in ways we don't understand and that are human, the way that the humans interact with the world is different and it manifests in different ways. Just if like I ate a banana, it would be good for me. But if someone's allergic to bananas and they eat it, they'll die. You know, the, I see it as a more sort of like pseudo natural thing where someone experiences something like, I mean, the plagues is a little bit of a difficult example, but I just more of like, if they go into a house with negative energy and someone may experience a ghost or a demon, you know, and someone else may just have some bad vibes and not experience something in that way. Um, and it just depends on our bodies and how we, uh, attune with the world and God and things like that. So that's me saying where my commitments are. And then saying because of that, I don't know how to interpret these texts. Hey, you know what I was, which more people would be willing to say? The exactly what you just said. Have no idea like that's one of the most confounding parts of this holy book is that we can look at the same verse and people will come with seven different interpretations and there's no appendix at the end where God says, okay, when I said this, I mean, explicitly this brand as someone who loves things like that. That infuriates me to know in like, it's like parts of Genesis. Like, is it a six literal day creation and a seventh day of literal rest? Are there unknown gaps of time in between? Is it, is it theistic evolution? Is it unguided evolution? Like, what's happening here? Well, I don't know. And guess what? I'm not going to know the answer because I'm stuck here where I'm reading a book that doesn't have a dependence. Oh, by the way, now I made sure that preachers would have all from each other in this form or I made sure to create things within six days because I am the all powerful God and I can do things that way. It's infuriating. So when I hear someone honestly say, I don't know. I appreciate that immensely. Well, and just like you were saying, I, I, and I appreciate you appreciating my, you know, my posture, but, you know, I think that's where faith comes in. Why it's so important is that we can't know the origins of the universe with certainty in the sense of like, yeah, no, I can't travel back in time and with my own eyes, ears and sensory experience, see how the world came from, like you're talking about, but we have to have faith that. However, the earth came into being that God has been involved in the process since the beginning and we can have hope in that. Yeah. And it's one of those things too. Like I don't think anyone, no one's going to get knocked out of heaven just because they don't know who to destroy areas or just because they have the wrong interpretation of how the world was created or who the heck Melchizedek is or whatever, like it's fun because I like concrete things. And I like to be able to say, I think it is this or I know it is this. But there are sometimes I'd say that this is my best guess. Yeah, like Melchizedek is an example. My best guess is he is some guy who had enough of a family line who was still connected with God that even at the part where he was King Priest of Jerusalem, Salem, he's still our relationship with him. I don't know because the text doesn't tell me. Right. The destroyer just kind of pops up. It's a proper noun that just gets thrown in your face. And all right, now we've got to make some theology based off of it. Right, right. What am I supposed to do with that? That's what makes it fun, you know? Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because I actually forgot to put that in my notes. Now, and I love it. I appreciate you, you know, being open to sharing your perspective and allowing me to share mine just because it's it's so it's just it's fascinating. I heard I've heard people talk about like God is the Lord of hosts and how God actually has like a court of beings that he consults, you know, and like, there's just stuff like that. I was like, I've never even thought of that, you know? Yeah. Now I find your less supernatural version of the world interesting and that it is so I would use that word again, antithetical to mine. Yeah, who sees angels and demons and spiritual beings of different sorts and goes, yeah, they're out there in the world. So yeah, I'm very interested to see your point of view there. Because that is just not me. Yeah. Well, and like you said, these different worldviews help us glean different things from the text and at the very most, I mean, at its best when we're having these conversations to be like, okay, how is God revealing God self to me through our conversation with the word of God, you know? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But move on to something different. Yeah. Like what we mentioned earlier, we get more specificity here, more specifications on what Israel is and shouldn't do, but should and shouldn't do when it came to celebrating the Passover. And that is something that's done deliberately. Like by following directions, naturally, questions are going to crop up from the kids who are watching the adults. Why are you doing this? Yeah. What's the reason we even do this Passover thing? So it's like a perfect tool to raise them rightly and say, look, this is why we do this because God brought us out of Egypt. He passed over our houses because we follow directions. That's why we need to follow his laws and statutes. And if only Israel had actually done that for the majority of their history, how different things would be. And it's here we get another word for congregation. And that is a dah. So you had Kahal earlier. This is a dah, the main difference. I don't know. I'm not a Hebrew scholar, but I do another different words because I looked it up on the special things that tell me what different words are. And it brings up this whole separation thing. No other nation in the world is going to celebrate this because it is a special to you, my people. I didn't bring the Cherokee out of bondage in Egypt or whatever. Or whatever nation would have been on that side of things. I didn't bring the Greeks. I didn't bring the Rus. I brought the people of Israel out of this. And no one can deny that if they know what's good for them. And in those stories, the way that God, especially as it's fulfilled in Christ, as we believe as Christians, is like God, that sort of covenant is not just limited to Israel in history. It is right there, but we can take hope that God is going to be our God. Everyone's God and that God will fight for the liberation of everyone. You know, that's why a lot of like black church hymnals and theology references Exodus so much is because, especially with the history of chattel slavery, is that they feel this deeper connection with Exodus and God's liberation. You know, and it's just, you know, that's the power of God's word. You know, yeah, it is timeless. And it's the shame we don't really put me in that equation. We don't really learn from it that much as much as we can. Oh, sure. Yeah, same, same here. Yeah. So another reason this whole specification was in play was to bring up the whole leaven versus unleavened bread. Now I'm not a baker. I'm not a cook at best. I've learned how to put spices on things and put it on a George forming grill that is the extent of my cooking expertise. But what I do know from studying what other smarter people and more competent people than me have done is leaven helps make the bread rise, makes it to that fluffier thing that I like eating more of as opposed to unleavened bread, which does not have that. But this is just used as a metaphor by God as a life filled with sin and a life without sin. And for the Hebrew people to leaven their bread during this time show that their desires and sins remain more important than the commands and statutes of God that live a holy and sinless life. And for this reason, no one who acted even in this just minor apostasy could be allowed to remain because you couldn't even follow this simple command. What about the far more important things? Yeah, it kind of, I think it's very similar to in the wilderness when they complain about not having meat and wanting to go back to Egypt, you know, to participate in at least in this moment, you know, with leaven using leaven is to say like, look, I'm not going to trust you, God, that we have to leave immediately after this, right? It's, you know what, I'm going to be, even though I'm in slavery, I still have these sort of creature comforts provided by the system of Egypt, even though it still means that I will be enslaved, then ultimately my allegiance will be to Pharaoh and to the gods of Egypt, not the god of Israel. Yeah, that great point. But I do think I know I can be overly negative sometimes, but like, I want to look at something extremely positive here and that there are initial response, even knowing how they're going to end up later on, their initial response is to follow these commands and worship God as they were told to do. So I want to celebrate this extremely rare event in Israeli history and immediately the first time. Like, OK, please, let's let's do the same. Like, why don't I get more hyped, you know, about my own faith some days? Why don't I just get up and say, you know what, this is a good day God has made it instead of saying, I woke up, I didn't want to wake up when I did my alarm went off. I set the alarm because I want I needed to wake up here, but I don't want to wake up. And what does God have to do with my feelings right now? Well, nothing because I'm so focused on what making me miserable. Hey, you know, it's all it's really easy to to be fair. It's really easy to worship God when your freedom is promised. And then later on, you're like, dang, I got to spend 40. I got to spend how long in the desert. I guess the 40 years hadn't come into play yet. But you know, I got to spend how long in the desert. Oh, my gosh, yeah, not looking forward to that one. Yeah, that's one of those who always prayed, you know, if I had ever been born, let me be in like the late generation, the one that's invading, but let me be part of them. Sorry to have to spend too long in the desert. But yeah, well, the reason they're able to go in the desert will be the next couple verses. If you have nothing else you want to add, let's party. All right, we'll be in 29 through 32 for this one, the 10th plague at midnight. The Lord struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the first born of the captive who was in the dungeon and all the first born of the livestock and Pharaoh rose up in the night, he and all his servants and all the Egyptians. And there was a great cry in Egypt for there was not a house where someone was not dead. Then he summoned Moses and Aaron by night and said, up, go out from among my people, both you and the people of Israel, and go serve the Lord as you have said, take your flocks and your herds as you have said, and be gone and bless me also. Man, here we go. We haven't gone to the next verses, but we are we seeing Pharaoh actually coming to agree to let the people of Israel go. You know, at this point in the story, we're like, dang, okay, it took the killing of the firstborn of not just, you know, the children of Egypt, but also all the livestock. So the big one was the livestock. And I don't think I realized that that was in that, that set of verses where it's like, there's how much, how much turmoil has been, I don't know the right word, I'm missing my sense. But how much has the agriculture suffered from Pharaoh's stubbornness so bad? And here we go again of just another hit, you know, where it's like, okay, all your agriculture is dead and all your other agriculture gone as well, you know, it's just crazy. Yeah. And this whole thing, it's like, no, Egyptian is spared that has a family or any relations, like even if you don't have a, you know, kids of your own, surely you have stipplings who have, and so you're going to be affected by it or relatives, or maybe a kid you like in a neighborhood is now gone. And only those who listen the Moses commands are spared from the death that are firstborn sons. We see there are some Egyptians later on who will end up joining them and perhaps they had been warned in advance because they were sensitive to the Jewish people. That's not explicitly stated, but I'd like to think so. Yeah. And as a result, there's a massive amount of mourning that wakes up the entirety of Egypt in the middle of the night, which makes Pharaoh wake up, realize what he's lost and all of Egypt has lost. And he speaks with Moses and Aaron, it's going to be Aaron once more, and he finally gives them what they've been asking for this whole time, knowing that he was his fault. And I would even argue that he seems to be actually genuine in asking for God's blessing at the end. Right. I mean, how could you? I don't think it's not Pharaoh's conversion story. But still, no, no, no, sorry, I, I think it was a little delayed here, but I was just a girl with you. Yeah. It's like, yeah, as you said, how could you not? We've been asking that since plague one, but I mean, if there's anything, this is it. This is what personally affects him. His air is gone. And there's many debates. We'll get to who this could possibly be in a little bit. And one example, I went through some of them earlier. I think it's a fool's errand actually figure out when, but it's still fun to look. But it's like he has lost his legacy in this moment. Yeah. Sure. He knows in the heart, in his heart of hearts, he's going to die because he's human and much as he calls himself, you know, a god king to be worshipped, he's still human. He's going to die. And what what is going to be his legacy are his son and his achievements. And now that's been taken away from him. Yeah, because of his actions. Go ahead. No, and even, you know, into the modern sense, I mean, when you see presidents or prime ministers or politicians, they usually invoke the benefit, the well-being of future generations of the children. And, you know, there's a reason for that because we as people are trying to build generally a better future for the next generation. And I think that even if someone like Pharaoh who has very selfish, intense intentions, in order for his lifestyle and his glory to be maintained, the next generation has to be born and thrive, you know? Yeah. Yeah, well said. It's one of those things that I don't, I don't take pleasure in any of this happening. Right. And if I think you do, you're missing the point. It's not like God is like ringing his hands saying, I've been waiting to do this to the Egyptians for years. Right. It's like, no, this is the cost of apostasy. This is a cost of not listening to instruction. And let's also, as we mentioned earlier in this series, when you've been on, God protected these very same people from a famine generations ago, it's not like he has some racial hatred towards the Egyptians. There's nothing like that. It is you're not listening. You are mistreating my people. I've given you plenty of opportunities to prove me wrong. And now I've got to act. Right. Right. Now from the historical side of things, there is a lot of speculation on which Pharaoh it will be. You know, you've got people saying it's three MZs, the second you've got others are saying it's Tutankhamen, Akhenaten, other place. One that I actually just learned about as I was doing my research for this, these specific chapters are some people think this Pharaoh is Amunhotep II, as he was not succeeded by his firstborn son, but his second son, Tutmost of fourth. There's also some mentioning there of an inscription that was found kind of near the Great Spinks that asked for the gods of Egypt to specifically assure that Tutmost of fourth would become Pharaoh. And some reason, some people speculate why it would be because maybe they were invoking or evoking the names of the gods of Egypt to protect him supernaturally since God had already killed his older brother. This would date the time of the Exodus around 1427 to 1401 BC ish, if true. I kind of go with 1446. It's like the earliest date, but I also don't know. This is just speculation. So I just wanted to throw this out there. Something I just found personally fascinating. Yeah, I love that. I know very little about any of the pharaohs, except for the very teeny tiny bit I know about Ramses. And then, of course, the most I know about is King Tut and then Cleopatra, probably second. And even that is like very little. And so that's that's absolutely fascinating. Yeah, I don't know if I'd be willing to take a bullet for that one, but I definitely find it fascinating nonetheless. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, we get to our final plague here. And in our final showdown, God, the Egyptian gods, this one targets to first being Osiris, who was a God of life and of resurrection, who due to him being restored to life by his wife, Isis and the mythology, she he had been separated in different pieces. She had gathered them back together. Eventually he came back to life. That's there's more than that, but just for a simplified version of events. And that's why some people to just able to say Jesus was inspired by Osiris and those people and my humble opinion can shut up. Christian said shut up. The second was Isis herself because she was a goddess and protector of children. So for the both of them, the fail showed God's absolute power over life and death and over who was in charge of children too. But the final deity was once again Pharaoh himself, who had failed both as God and King to stop any of this from happening. Yeah, man, just, you know, if that that hypothesis, like you were talking about of God just taking on the entire pantheon of Egypt and then coming to the last bit here is just, you know, it's just the icing on the cake. It's just, I mean, I don't know, it's it's like Hulk coming up to Loki, you know, a bunch of them and just destroying them, you know, you any God. And as we've the more we've done the series, the more I like this hypothesis, I don't know if I'm willing to say I'm behind it. But it's like so metal. If it is true. Oh, yeah. It's like, I want to see it. I don't know if I'm there yet. They might have me on the cusp of conversion after having studied it a little more. You know, and like you said, I don't think I am not a polytheist and I don't think that God was actually fighting other deities. But, you know, the people of Israel, a lot of them believed that they're these gods existed, you know, believe in a polytheistic worldview. And then the one God comes and just kicks butt and takes names. Yeah. All right. You have anything you want to add before we head to our next section? No, sir. OK, 33 through 42. We'll have one more after that. The Egyptians were urgent with the people to send them out of the land and haste for they said, we shall all be dead. So the people took their dough before it was 11. They're needing bowls being bound up in their cloaks on their shoulders. The people of Israel had also done as Moses told them for they had asked the Egyptians for silver and gold and jewelry and for clothing. And the Lord had given the people favor in the side of the Egyptians so that they let them have what they ask. Thus they plundered the Egyptians and the people of Israel journeyed from Ramses to Sucketh about 600,000 men on foot besides women and children. A mixed multitude also went up with them and very much livestock, both flocks and herds. And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough that they had brought out of Egypt for it was not leaven because they were thrust out of Egypt and could not wait nor had they prepared any provisions for themselves. The time that the people of Israel lived in Egypt was 430 years at the end of 430 years on that very day. All the hosts of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt. It was a night of watching by the Lord to bring them out of the land of Egypt. So this same night is a night of watching kept to the Lord by all the people of Israel throughout their generations. Yeah, I think we just get some more specific details about how that night functioned, how the people of Israel were called to be, you know, where they went. The one thing that particular sticks out to me is because this tends to get thrown around theologically in a way that I think is done callously and not quite in line with the text here. But this is the plundering of the Egyptians. And so a lot of people will use that as an analogy for, oh, we can use the spoils of war, which means defeating our spiritual opponents, whether these be, you know, Islamic philosophers or, you know, secular political empires or what have you, and to say, okay, well, we as Christians, when we come in ideologically or through whether there's a Christian nation or whatever, because those still exist to this day of now we can take these good things from our spiritual opponents and assimilate them into our practices. And what's going on here in the text is that this is 430 years of slavery. You know, God tells people, the people of God here, the Israelites plunder the Egyptians, because they have nothing, like they're about to go on a journey. I mean, the least that the Egyptians can do is give, I mean, this is, this is reparations, you know, not not a dog, not a conquering and an assimilation, even though this does happen later. But here it's not. So anyway, that's a big thing that stuck out to me. And one of the things that I had thought about before when I read this, because even John Wesley, who's, you know, my big theological hero talks about using the, he uses the plundering of the Egyptians language for Christian use. And I think that that is not in line with God's character in the way that we use it. And also not in line with the text. Check out the whole or church episode Nick was on not too long ago. If you want to hear a little more about that, thanks, man. John Wesley. Super fun. Yeah, I agree. Like reparations is the right word to use. I mean, what else can you say looking at this? They've been in bondage, not for 430 years, but for a very long amount of time, right, right. They have, they don't have the resources. They don't have the money, the clothing, anything to survive as a nation. So to get rid of them, the Egyptians give them stuff so that they don't come back so that they can survive on their own, so that they can have wealth and there's no need for them to ever return. Because if they do return, what's the 11th plague going to look like? I don't want to find out. I might not make it. Yeah. This, this feels like a very a Lion King scar moment. I don't know if this is an accurate analogy, but they're run away and never return. I don't know if it matches up one to one, but I appreciate it. Nonetheless, that's just what came to mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's Israel finds it's Muir cat and Warthog and Canaan comes back and takes control of Egypt. Yeah. I'm trying to think who would be who would hit who would later hit Moses in the head or something. I'm not sure. Well, maybe it's maybe it's work. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Okay. We'll go with that. Cool. As we cast our human actors for the Lion King remake we just made. Based on Exodus cast members. Goodness gracious. I'm going to miss this. So we get meta. We get meta. Oh, yes. So we see here numbered our 600,000 men, specifically the men not counting the women and children. That is a lot for a nation that doesn't exist yet pretty much. And some scholars looking at the book of numbers would kind of place the total population of men, women and children to be about two million large, which is a huge group to have wandering around in the desert. There's going to be a lot of resources that you're going to need to have, which graciously God is going to provide quail and mana, but they don't know that yet. So you're going to need something to barter with people, something to, you know, work alongside them. You don't just show up unless you're a really oppressive group of people and say, we own this now. Yeah. And you're going to give us our stuff and otherwise to become no better than the Amalekite Raiders that are going to attack them and five chapters. And that's not what God wants his people to be. So this provides them with a way to have stability, to have an economy, to have a bit of freedom in the world that they wouldn't have had if they just left. Right. And like we mentioned earlier, these are indeed reparations for everything they suffered. Right. So anything you want to add before we finish off our time and exit us together, man, you know, it's just one of those moments. It's like, it's like the end of a good book or a good movie where you're like, I know the ending's coming, but I don't, I don't want it to end. Just not to leave out in the ship anytime soon to the, oh, gosh, what is the land of failing? My Lord of the Rings. Uh, what they all, where do they go? It's the Undying Lands, Valinor. Undying Lands. Yes. Don't leave me to Valinor just yet. I want to keep you. No, trust me. I'll be here. I will stay on the shore. I will stay in Middle Earth, at least for you, sir. There you go. We need to stay and party in the shire for a little bit. Oh, a hundred percent. I will come from here and end with 43 through 49. And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, this is the statute of the Passover. No foreigner shall eat of it, but every slave that is bought from money may eat of it after you have circumcised them. No foreigner or hired worker may eat of it. It shall be eaten in one house. You shall not take any of the flesh outside of the house and you should not break any of its bones. All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, then he may come near and keep it. He shall be as a native of the land, but no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. There should be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you. All the people of Israel did just as a Lord commanded Moses and Aaron. And on that very day, the Lord brought the people of Israel out of Atlanta, Egypt by their hosts. And I'm sorry, I meant to say 43 through 51. Nick, man, you know, they had brought up aliens in the foreigner immigrants beforehand. But, you know, I just think it's so interesting that throughout Israel's history, they have the special accommodations for people who are not specifically Israelite. And I think here is really interesting because what other people besides Egyptians might be dwelling with the people of Israel or in the nation are their Egyptians joining the people of Israel too, because they're sick of Egyptian society. Are there Canaanites? Are there Amalekites? Like who else is coming with them who are like, you know what? We'll, uh, we'll get circumcised and celebrate the Passover. Like yeah, well, remember earlier, it said there was a mixed multitude among their number outside of the 600,000 men. So I take that to be Egyptians and their families who came and joined their number. And because that happened, God makes this specific part of instituting part of the Passover to maintain what he'd already done before and to remind the new people among them, you're not Egyptians anymore. If you're staying around here, you are part of my people. You are now culturally Jewish and this circumcision would be an outward sign of that. Right. So, and the even the Jews would be unable to deny what they went this far. They've got to be part of the congregation. They got to be part of the assembly. If I say otherwise, I'm contradicting God. Yeah, so fascinating. Yeah, that part is always the, I think we brought it up earlier. Like just the, the mix of people that are a part of the nation of Israel. It's so, it's just so, so interesting. Yes, it's fascinating. Just over time, just seeing how other people groups get integrated into Israel in some way, shape or form, like they just David's line alone. You have, you have Canaanites through Tamar and Rahab. You have Moabites through Ruth. Bathsheba seems to be Israeli, I think Jewish. So still, that's just what we see. That's just what's mentioned. Who knows if anything else ethnicity or nationality wise was added along the way. Yeah. Just to that one family line. So there's obviously more have to have experienced that at some point in time. Well, even, you know, Jesus comes from the line. It comes from the line of Ruth, right? Isn't that the? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. So it's just the, it just, yeah, anyway, there's no like pure Israel. You know, it's, it's this mix of cultures coming together. I mean, there, there is, you know, but yes, yes, yes, yes. You know what I'm saying. I know what you meant. Yeah. That's one thing that's I've never understood in the world is how someone can look and say, because I come from this race, I am superior, but I'm a mutt. I'm a white mutt. There may be some. There's rumored African and rumored Cherokee. I've never been able to prove that with the DNA test. And even if it did, it wouldn't change me. But I am that I can prove that some of my mother working through genealogy, English, Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. That's a mutt. Yeah. And those people beforehand with people groups that we no longer have the names of because they died out or they lost a name existed before them. Yeah. I mean, we're all mutts to a certain extent, you know, whether even from different regions of the world, you know, yeah. So, yeah, it just baffles me how someone can look and just say, though, my line is pure because of this. I'm like, I don't know. Not from genealogies. I've seen, buddy. Yeah. And if you, you know, medieval concepts of pure was pretty gross. So, you know, I don't know if I want to be pure. I'll be proud of my mutt status. Yeah. Yeah. So with this, guys, the people of Israel have begun their journey out of Egypt. Not yet they're getting there to the land that had been promised to their fourth father centuries ago. And Nick, I want to thank you, especially for being here for the past six chapters. It has been so much fun gaining your insights on thing, how you view these verses and chapters versus how I do and how you've had a very productive set of conversations on these issues. And I don't think either one of us felt like we were being bullied or oppressed for what we said. You know, there's, there was a couple of times, but I, you know, I held it back. I held it back, you know. So yeah, thank you again for everything that you've done here. Like, I am so looking forward to seeing you in person a little over a month from now. Yes. Yeah. No, it's been a very fruitful time. And thank you for joining me. Yeah, man. Thanks. I just want to say thanks for having me and that this is such a cool project that you're doing just because I think that no matter which side of the aisle you're on, there's so many people who have opinions, but have not read scripture or take it as seriously as they should, including ourselves. Right. We're all guilty of that. But I think that this, what you're doing is fantastic because it takes scripture seriously and you're encouraging people to actually dig in there and see where our theology come from, where our beliefs come from, where are our ethics come from, you know? And so anyway, I just keep going, man. This is sick. So thanks, man. Yeah, this is forced me to grow to as reading scripture should, and it's forced me to do more work to force be like, Oh, well, someone says this is a contradiction here. So how do I look at that? Or I've never actually thought about this before. And I've read this chapter how many times in the past, and there's still going to be things I'm going to glean the next time I read this. Yeah, the years from now. So I enjoy doing this. I'm grateful for every one of you who's listening that you've stuck along for as long as you have, like we're not the most popular series in the world. But I've got some dedicated people listening. 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