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Y'all through the block. Stop the one hand. And pack me trust. It's power, have the guts. We here to bring the heat. Y'all can hang it up. Welcome to Five on the Floor. A daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA featuring Ethan Skolnick, Greg Selvander, and Alex Toledo. Plus others from the Five Reason Sports Network. All right, welcome back to Five on the Floor. Here's today's Floor Plan. I want to try to get through this episode without stumbling, coughing or anything like that. Just getting over cold. I'm Ethan Skolnick. You can follow me at Ethan J. Skolnick in Five Reason Sports. We got Brady Hawk. You can follow him at Brady Hawk 305 and at Alex Toledo, you can follow him at Tropical Blanket. All right. So as I mentioned, this topic is pulled from our Discord server. We feel like we haven't done enough on Terry Rosier specifically. And so we wanted to get into him a little bit more, but they're sort of the larger context here, which is that as of right now, Terry Rosier and Tyler Hero are both on the roster. And we have talked about the fit. And I've kind of, I guess, I don't know, I've been very negative about the fit. Very negative about the upside of it. Just because, again, it's two smaller guards and an NBA that is getting bigger. And it's two guards that are not known primarily for their defense. I mean, Terry, I think at best, you could say is maybe an average defender. Tyler has his moments, particularly off the floor, but we know that he gets hunted quite a bit. And so I think we want to spin this the other direction, and this was the idea that came out of our Discord. How do they make it work? Because there are going to be minutes that they're going to have to play together, whether they start or they don't. They're often going to close together with the current roster construction. And they're certainly going to play together during the game. Like they're not going to be separated all the time. And there was some excitement about the two of them playing together last year. And it's something that I talked to Tyler about. And he said, you know, at a certain point, he thought that more of the attention was going to start going to Terry once Terry started shooting the ball better. Again, by the time that that happened, Tyler was out. And then when Tyler came back, Terry was out. So we never really got to see it. I want to go to you first, Alex, because on some of the numbers stuff, you have, I think, clarified that as much as I've been negative on the Tyler Terry combination. With a lot of these combinations, the dunking Terry combination has not really been better. Right? I mean, so let's start there before we get into how they maximize this. Well, yeah, that was that was one that I saw recently and again, just to kind of couch all of this, like a lot of this stuff with Terry, the line of data is very small sample. So I'm not trying to make, you know, declarations based on lineup data, but, you know, there is stuff that you can look for trends, I guess. And I guess like the biggest trend that you can find when it comes to the rosier and Tyler pairing is that the defensive rating is never great. And that does kind of, you know, it tracks with what the traditional thinking would be that it's too small of a back court. What you do see a lot of times is that the offensive rating is much higher too. So it's, it's one of these things where like the numbers are supporting what you would think, right? It's not very surprising. But like the other day, the one that I mentioned on the pod where, you know, the lineup with Terry, Tyler and Bam, that three man unit was actually more effective than Terry Duncan and Bam. But Terry Duncan and Bam got a lot more playing time. So it's not exactly, you know, apples to apples. I just thought that was that specific one was just kind of interesting because you would think it would be the other way around. And there was kind of a big gap in net rating between those two. But that's just one example like when you look at rosier and Tyler together. You know, overall without, you know, kind of filtering for certain guys on certain guys off if you just do Terry and Tyler. It's a negative 2.8 net rating, and it's a 119 offensive rating and a 122 defensive rating. So that's just kind of the broad view of it without getting into other kinds of comp combinations. But, you know, the gist of it is that their offense goes up, right? It makes sense like they have two guys who can score from different areas of the floor. I know people are not going to call Tyler a three level score, but like both of those guys can score in different ways can both shoot can both create for themselves. Not the same type of player, but they give you more offense and that's what the numbers are showing too. Then if you look at like rosier, Tyler, Jimmy and Bam together, right, what a lot of people would say is probably the four best players in the team. That comes out to a negative 1.3 net. So that's not exactly the most encouraging thing because, you know, that's, that's kind of your core right there. You'd want them to play better together. Again, all of this is small sample size. This one, for example, is only 118 minutes. And it's a similar thing, 118 offensive rating, 119 defensive rating. So I think they have to figure out ways to mitigate kind of the problems with their defense will also try to maximize having an extra creator on the floor at all times. You know, one of the ones that was really good, just interestingly enough, and this is only in 44 minutes or really a minuscule sample size. Terry plus Tyler plus Bam. That's the one I mentioned before, right, plus 15 net rating. And then you look at Terry plus Tyler plus Jimmy without Bam minus 45. And that's in 22 minutes. So again, these are really, really small sample size. We really just need to see like a lot more, you know, to get an actual fair sample. But yeah, it's just kind of all over the place right now. All right, so let's get to it. I mean, 22 minute sample size. I mean, even I, and, and we know sometimes I pulled on, you know, coal from the sample, small sample size theater. Wasn't that Christian Hernandez's thing on Miami. Yeah, yeah. He even had, he even had music for that he had, he had a whole thing that went with that. I 22 minutes. I can't. You know, it's just, it's, it's too little. I don't even, I don't even have to know who they were playing what the circumstances were all of that. But it is interesting to me that the rosier Robinson thing now, again, when you could pull these numbers, anything. By the time that rosier got going, Duncan had kind of fallen apart physically. So I think that needs to be read into it also like there are, there are sort of, I don't know, there are other factors there, send you any factors to all of this. It would seem on paper, though, that rosier and Robinson would work depending on what you want your point guard to be. And that's part of what I wanted to get into here because I think that plays into the rosier hero combination, but it also plays into some of these point guards that are trying to impress, excuse me, impress the heat right now, whether it's Drew Smith or he has the two way or. Zion Poland or Isaiah Stevens, right, like all of these, the heat don't ask the same thing from their point guards typically in the spolster era that other teams ask of their point guards, not, not as well dominant. Even during the big three era, Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole played very much off the ball playing off of superstars. Should the, before we get to hero and rosier, should the Robinson rosier combination work, Brady, if Duncan is healthy. On 100%. It definitely should. They're kind of like the perfect fit in terms of what you want your offense to be. And like you said, there's circumstances to those numbers like when Duncan originally had it going, Terry was just trying to get acclimated in the shot wasn't falling. And then Terry got the shot started falling and then Duncan's backup messed up and he kind of started tailing off toward the end of the season. Like their peeks never really lined up it feels like in the regular season so I think that matters. But 100% they fit in terms of Duncan not needing the ball in a sense, Terry being in a position where he's more comfortable what he's more used to where he can kind of just dictate for others and kind of play that role and like. They got to a point where they were trying to force Tyler into like this ghost screening role where they wanted to do guard guard actions. But it's so much more natural for Duncan because it's Duncan's that's his home base like slipping screens into threes, forcing mismatches for Terry like that's what they wanted to get to and it felt like they actually got that offense around it. But I think we're focusing on the guards for good reason. But like when you bring up Terry Tyler or Terry Duncan, I don't think it's just the back court thing like it, I think it's more so about who's next to the two guards. Like that's where it is for me like it's, I think Terry and Tyler could work I'm higher on that than I think most people for the offensive side of things defensively I am worried about it. I think you have to really put the right guys around those guys defensively to make it last like to really put them like valuable minutes together throughout a regular season game. But the offense I think they can they can get around it if they write run this right lineups like you were talking about some of the numbers Alex and like some of the stuff like that when you were like Jimmy Bam Terry Tyler, where it's like their main players, it really was a little bit rougher like there were certain points where it's like they need to work as like as a whole, because there's so much usage to be spread around, because it's not just Terry and Tyler and I know what everybody wants to put a lot on Tyler but it is kind of everybody trying to figure out their role. And in this hypothetical situation we're kind of expecting Jimmy in a contract season to have the ball a little bit more I'd say in the regular season like we're expecting him I guess to be a have that little bit of an extra edge, offensively in this regular season. It's a little bit more usage as well so they're going to have to find that that combination I guess but like I think I was thinking about certain lineups because you do have to kind of stagger them a little bit. And in some ways I kind of feel like the them going big is beneficial to the two. Hypothetically, as everybody wants to talk about like the where BAM lineups. I'm a fan of it with Terry and Tyler. Like if you're going to put two guys out there defensively that get picked on how many have a guy in BAM week side that can cover things up and where the big body and drop that you kind of close things off the rim when things break down so it's like, it's more so about that the issue with the Terry Tyler lineups is like, you're looking around at those lineups and it's Kevin love trying to recover on a blitz with Terry and Tyler and then all of a sudden one of four on two backside things break down. So I think that is what needs to be figured out like putting the Heywoods of the world the Kasha Johnson's now the the wares like all these different lineups they can put together but offensively I'm not worried but they do I guess Terry's spot up three definitely is going to dictate a lot of it like if he's shooting the way he was late in that regular season last year, it's going to work like they're not going to have any worries about it. And if he's just shooting the volume of threes that he was shooting it can 100% work. So I'm not worried about them working together it's more about their individual cells like putting themselves and taking the right shots and being in the right spots on the floor. I mean when we've talked about Tyler, there is a perception that his usage takes away from efficient usage for others that I don't know if that's fair, but that is a common fan perception and it was a fan perception. Even when he was shooting like 47 3985 at one point last season like these are not Jordan pool numbers like he was his efficiency dropped as the year went on and obviously he got hurt. And then he had the one incredibly efficient game and the playoffs and the other four were not. Like he hasn't been like this, this, you know, the perception of him is a chucker is just not fair based on the numbers that he puts up I mean chuckers don't shoot close to 40% from three on on reasonably high volume. But there is a perception again that his usage is detrimental to the team because you would rather have a Jimmy have the usage. I think there are other factors involved in that sort of shows Jimmy's overall engagement in it or BAM to have the usage in in in the places but honestly I mean Tyler's efficiency numbers are as good or better than rosiers. And yet it seemed like there are heat fans who wanted more of it to tilt to rosier is this unfair to Tyler and can he be efficient with Terry. I think so. I definitely think as far as the second question that he can be efficient with Terry like, like I said kind of what I was saying before with the numbers a lot of the stuff there is really like the defense is a problem when they're on the four together not the offense. And, and honestly I think that track so what we were seeing like when we did get to see them play together specifically Tyler and Terry. I think Tyler was starting to play a little bit more off ball and I think they were starting to incorporate that a little bit more. And he was very and again like I know a lot of people are very cynical about this and don't really think that he'll continue to take those steps and grow into that type of player who is more off ball and on ball. And whatever like that's fine you can have the opinion but Tyler was you know publicly at least very open about playing that way I thought he was you know going in that direction. You know when they actually did get to play to play together and the results were decent like again they were not world beaters. You know when all their best players were on the floor at the same time it wasn't great. But as far as when them two were playing together with one more guy because what I didn't notice just a kind of a side note is that when you take off one of those four guys a lot of times the three man units. Were good the only one that that was terrible was the one I mentioned before with Terry Tyler and Jimmy with no bam but outside of that like the other combinations of three of those four were pretty good. And specifically on the offensive end. And so to me I'm just curious before you continue if the fourth guy is love instead of bam what does that look like. I mean I'll have to get those numbers. You're saying I mean every grouping dips though and it's not bam in the lineup so it's like it's not even on those. But Brady some of them didn't dip would love that's why I'm asking well well I mean some of the ones with with Jimmy and love. Yeah right lineups were fantastic. Those were great throughout the season and we're actually and we're very good from the season before as well but if you're talking about Terry Tyler. And Jimmy I feel like I feel like this yeah I feel like this probably a tiny sample size right because it because Kevin got hurt. I'm just trying to again so much of this was due to the lack of availability which is I know people are going to say I'm feeding into the heats narrative here but like it's true like they were just. Well I mean they were just they were just right there were just times that these guys just didn't get a chance to play together for one reason now that's an organizational issue that has to be addressed and they've talked a lot about it and apparently they're trying to address it but. And one of the only lineups that wasn't good between Jimmy and Kayla because the 13 minutes the four of them Terry Tyler Jimmy say 13 minutes they were almost a minus 35 in that rating. Again that's a tiny sample size but see that's awful ways it's the fact that they only got 13 minutes out of it that's the real problem the problem is not the minus 35 the real problem is. 43 defense of rating. Okay that's why I'm saying though like the lineups around the two make kind of are the bigger deal to me like you cannot do that to Kevin like it's not Kevin's fault but like you can't put him in that position where he's the guy who's supposed to cover up for all the for these two guards like it's a problem so that's kind of thing and so I feel like I trust him to figure out a lot of these things with the two of them but to your point. And it's the figure out like he doesn't have the time to piece these things together and that's also that feels like what the organization wants to see more of. I'm more positive about like the. Like I just think them staggering and kind of figuring out the lineups around them like Brady's talking about I feel a lot better about like that part of it then like I think the onus on them this season is going to have to be on those guys starting together. I mean, spoke his surprises right but it could be Duncan instead of Tyler or something like it was the end of the season but it like we're all kind of expecting Terry Tyler Nico to start around Jimmy and Bam. The onus is going to be on so and then to figure out how to make that lineup gel and I think it's you know it's it's going to be tough because you've got four guys. Well you can run office for and then you know you can count you over in there too but you know which is is very much a connective piece in that lineup. And so I just think like it's more about that getting those guys to figure out how to play together because I think once you start getting into different lineups like I'm not as worried because it's less creators on the floor and they can kind of go back to playing more of their game and you know it's good to have an extra creator that you can you know you can always have at least one of them on the floor and I think that's what you can feel good about but I don't think you have to 100% stagger or like they can't they're never playing together during the regular season because frankly like you need to figure this out because for as much as you want it you could stagger in the playoffs like both of those guys if they're on your team. When the playoffs start if you're in the playoffs. You know they're going to be playing a lot of minutes so you got. Well they also make them work. They also make 53 million dollars between them this year. So I mean if if you can't play them together that's a problem particularly because again a lot of us were in favor of the trade but. And I want to be clear on one other thing here too and then I will get to our sponsor and then I want to get into a sort of a generic question about point guard play for this team. Which is that this this idea that I see a lot on our off the floor which is to me a very high end. Level of heat fan I'm not just saying that because they're paying the $2.99 a month I'm saying it because they're engaged in this stuff and a lot of them follow the numbers and such. A lot of them are kind of saying well you got Terry with the idea of trading Tyler I don't think they got Terry with the idea of trading Tyler I think that trading Tyler has always been kind of an option depending on the circumstances. Players available fit and all the rest of that but I don't think this was okay we're basically getting Terry at $24 million roughly over two years as opposed to Tyler with what three years left. You know it roughly close to 30 million a year. And we're essentially getting a cheaper player with some creation. I don't think they were tending that I think it gives them more flexibility to trade Tyler. But I don't think it was okay we're getting him to replace Tyler I really don't believe that if somebody wants to correct me on that they can but I've never heard that. And so I know he fans have kind of played into this like when I got on both on the roster what are you going to do you weren't supposed to have both on the roster. No that was not really the case like I, it was an option to have the both on the roster or not. And they do right now. And so they got to figure out a way to make it work alright. 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That's why driving while texting can be deadly too. So put it down it can wait. Don't drive distracted. Shift into safe. A message from the Colorado Department of Transportation. All right. Point of our position in general. Okay. Because, look, I came up during the time where, you know, again, Pat had magic. A little hard to compare anybody to him. Okay. Then he goes to New York. He had Doc Rivers. He had Chris Childs Charlie Ward. I believe I think Childs. Well, Childs might have come in with Van Gundy. So if I'm missing the year there. I apologize. I think Charlie Ward was there when he was there, Derek Harper was the other one. So, and Derek and Doc were both accomplished. You know, bring the ball up the court point cards. I mean, Derek Harper could play off the ball. Doc was a very good defender. I mean, all the jokes about Doc as a coach. He was a very good NBA player, particularly when he was with, was with the Hawks. Derek Harper was an excellent NBA player when he was with the Mavericks. Both of them are little up in age. Play for him there. It comes to Miami. And what is Pat doing his first, you know, full season. He trades for Tim Hardaway, who was at the time sort of banished to the bench behind BJ Armstrong of all people. This was not even Chicago. Tim was basically considered to be cooked. Pat went out and got him in a trade. Tim changed his game. Excuse me to play in Miami. Became more of a half court player with a knuckleball jumper and all that stuff and ended up in the Hall of Fame. Okay. So he had a floor general like things went through Tim. Tim was the heartbeat of that team. People talk about ZO. And yes, ZO set the standard and all the rest of that stuff with, but Tim was, Tim was the barometer. If Tim was playing well, they won. That's kind of how it worked with them. You kind of knew what you were getting from ZO. So after Tim. And he fades out. They had a bunch of guys, Anthony Carter, sort of an older Travis Best, etc. Dwayne briefly. Right. And then they sort of went to this off ball point card thing. He was Damon Jones for a year. Now J will was not. He was the opposite of that before he came to Miami, but like they coached it out of him to the point that like we were begging for him to be white chocolate like it was like, you know, he was like, I mean, J will conformed completely. Okay, you get out of that though and then you get to the big three era and I mentioned it's been, it was Chalmers who Rio was not a conventional bring up the ball point guard. He was more of an off the ball guy defend. Okay, very valuable to those teams Norris to a certain extent was sort of like that also he improved his jumper while he was with Miami. And so they really haven't and then, you know, they go after then Dragich, who was more of a scorer for the position, Lowry, who was kind of cooked. I mean, let's just be honest. Okay. So it's hard for me to get a read on what exactly they're looking for or suppose looking for from his point guards. And I want to put this into the context, not just of rosier, but of the others who are in the mix now, because this is a steam is is really interesting like he is a traditional. Don't turn the ball over, get the ball in the guy in the right place point guard. Drew Smith for all the jokes is pretty good defender, actually. Okay, was showing that last year. My own Poland seems to have some athleticism a little bit of wiggle. And this, what do you think they're looking for in a point guard and how does that play, because Josh is not a point guard like they're using Josh is a temporary point guard. He's not a point guard. What do you think they're looking for at the position. So I think they're looking when they're talking about a starting point guard and a backup point guard I think they evaluated into totally different ways I think like when you're talking about a starting guy like rosier. What's your goal on like they're not looking for a set your guy up starting point guard because they have a rest of the roster that can do it. They have guys, they're four men and Nico can run it off like set up a half court offense. They're five men, even though he doesn't think he's a five in band can set up an offense you have so many different vows that they want a guy more so that could play off the ball as for like a backup point guard I think it's more like they want the guy who's going to have his hands the least, they want the guy that could just get the ball to your trigger in the half court and move on you want the guy that can make the right decision. Stevens is a guy like you said, perfect example he's just a really good under control point guard they can make the right passes he makes really good reads Poland I feel like it's the same way under control doesn't make turnovers. Drew Smith as you said, same thing that's why they like him that's why they keep bringing him back as much as you come at people he's been compared to. Boy in the Londes Williams, they don't want the guy that's going to be all over the place offensively that could score the ball to high level they want the guy that could get the get the ball to the NBA level guys that are rotation pieces that can get out the way that can defend on the other end and just not be a liability I guess. So I think they evaluated in two totally different ways but they can be spoken be lenient with the starting guy like with the high talented player like you just get that guy and you find him away to place him to that system where it's like, if you start working in these undrafted guys you need the guy that's just going to make the least mistakes it's really that simple so it helps with the roster they have as much as we talk about their roster construction the fact that they have so many passing bigs and wings and allows them to be a little bit they could transform their guard position and scoring I guess in different ways but I suppose I would be mad that you even asked that question about the point guard position because he probably doesn't even think the point guard positions a thing anymore. Like they just want guys that it's a guy that's at the top of the key a guy that's screening a guy that does this and that so lastly able to say really quickly because I wanted to hit on it before from the first half the episode. Like talking about things that like certain guys can do. Everybody could transform like we're talking about Tyler off the ball or rosier off the ball. One thing that I'm curious to seeing just a random thing I was thinking about when you guys were bringing it up. I think it was in 2020 when Jimmy was like doing a lot of things off the roll like screening a lot and playing in that short roll area where if he decides like I could play in this role and get easy opportunities push up mid range play off the role with these guys try to force mismatches. He ends up so much like if he's playing in these positions next to tightly Tyler and rosier that is just trying to set up this starting lineup. If he can instead of sitting in the corner and or just kind of holding the ball a lot and playing these roles if he could just like transform into a little bit more rolling and screening. I feel like it opens up so much for those guards so it's like I know all the blame gets put on the on the back court specifically but I think it's more so about creating an offense. To be honest it's not on the foe because he doesn't have the opportunity to look into a lot of this stuff. But I'm just curious to see like if with a full off season with knowing what your roster is and kind of getting a temperature check I guess on who you have like I just want to see how they transform because they. They're running it back but they can't run back the same exact formula like they have to change the formula and some things offensively it can't just be the same things we saw late in the regular season. Yeah we've seen spoke to these transformations in the off season I think part of it Alex is that we talk about the point cards again a lot of it depends on who else they have on the roster. And I mentioned like Rio and Norris were kind of off the ball point cards because they had LeBron and Dwayne. And that's the two to be the hubs of their offense and in some ways you know he's made Jimmy and ban that during this period of time. But do you think a role. Good rosier go beyond the rocket troll as a creator. What do you mean by that I'm a little confused by the question. In other words. My fault my fault. So look what I understood the question as was like can he be more than go on it as far as like a score right so go on has like that reputation of being like that scoring point guard that he had been lacking who can get to the rim who can score at all three levels and you know they've been lacking ever since right and I think Terry has kind of got some of that pressure. I think Terry like and we talked about this while he was here too like he is really exceeded expectations as a passer. And that doesn't mean like he's elite he's up there with like the superstars but it's like as far as like a sub all star type of player. I think he's up there as far as passing and when you look at like some of the numbers he had his best, his highest assist percentage in the league by far. So last year and also did it while keeping his turnovers down he had a basically a 26 and a half assist percentage which is which is which finished in the 90th percentile and the nine turnover percentage which was in the 80th percentile so he does a good job not only taking care of the ball but making plays. All that being said I wouldn't consider him a past first point guard like he looks for his bucket. Right, I think he is somebody who will look to get paint touches and that is beneficial for the heat as well, not a great finisher, but gets to the paint and can create for others after doing that and I think that's an important layer of offense that they, you know, got when they traded for him. But you know the fact that he can play off ball I think that's that this is kind of like what makes Terry so intriguing right is that if you just look at him individually like it's a lot of facets that he adds to the heat when you talk about on ball being able to create in the pain when you talk about off ball guy who has been known as a streaky shooter but I pretty much trust the shot I just think like he is somebody who can get in rhythm by taking some higher difficulty ones because he's just good at it. He can play on or off ball and that's what's so intriguing to me about Terry because he doesn't have to just play one way, but usually when you talk about a player like that they're also not this good at passing and creating for others. So, you know I just want to give him the credit there because I think he is kind of a better passer, at least than I remember maybe maybe this is wrong here maybe it's a little bold but I feel like he is better. He might be a better pastor than Goron was and I think Warren was just a much much much better finisher at the rim and I think that's kind of what I've seen separate the two the most because they don't have an exact similar game but like the way they play like Terry. I think it is a is a better like kind of off the dribble shooter right like high difficulty shots, you know a step back I think he's better at that than go on. I think they're both pretty good pastor so I'm not trying to say like Goron sucked as a pastor or anything like that, but Terry like you got to give him a spare share he's not just a bucket getting point guard. And I can add also quickly that I'm going to choke. Yeah, I wanted to take the ball from you. And as much as we talk about like the awful stuff and him adapting like they didn't get this guy like this is just about fit purposes because they didn't get this guy just to be an off ball, you know role playing point guard like a Vincent like they got this guy. They went all in on this type of trade to put them over the top in this way that I don't want it to sound like they're limiting him like they need him to play his game like he's not going to go all out and put a bunch of shots up like he didn't But they need him to be an on ball pick and roll threat they need him to be a pull up three point threat. They need him to be getting to the rim and finishing at a much higher level than he did like a Porsche the regular season but he has to be getting volume as much as we talk about splitting up the usage and this and that. He's kind of kind of get those reps and as much as we want a guy like Killel where to play and he's kind of the hot topic this offseason. If there's anybody I want to see him play with it's, it's Terry was here. Like I want to see that pick a role because he's the one guy that could throw up all up top and kind of get him some opportunity just as a lobster and everything else so I just want to make that point because we're kind of putting it in the context of like trying to make it work and the off ball stuff and his shot following changing things but like they really just need him to play his game and just be himself in a lot of ways for this offense because this offense isn't pretty. Neither is my presentation tonight. I'm going to close it there. I'll just say this about Goron. He became a better passer over time. I think particularly as a lob thrower. You're right. It was it was mostly to get his, you know, for for the majority of his he tenure. There was a willingness. I will say Rosie. The low turnover thing with Rosie is really interesting too. He doesn't really make a ton of those mistakes, which is, which is a real positive there so again we'll see where it goes but I just I wanted to make the point like one of the reasons we did this is that I don't think this was looked at by the he has a replacement for Tyler hero there was some consideration of how the two of them would look together and adjustments are going to have to be made by both but also Spoke does has had to spend most of this off season I know he's with team USA right now but obviously thinking about how do I maximize this situation and this is who we got 53 million dollars tied up in these two players like I can't play them each 24 minutes like that's not the way that this is going to go they have to play some together so appreciate Brady and Alex drilling down on that hopefully I'll be better by tomorrow. Alex you want to cut any of that out I don't I don't mind it. Check out the link right here in the description. 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