Hey there, friends. Before we get into this episode, I wanted to share something with you. My name is Missy Jane. I'm the host of the "Starting Messy" podcast, and I am a life and money empowerment coach. Now, there is a lot of shame that people carry from not knowing what they feel that they should know. The thing is, in a lot of cases, we were taught what to think, but not how to think. This discomfort, when we take in new information, that discomfort is what is actually keeping you stuck. I hear this so much in my first calls with my coaching clients. They feel like they should just know how to manage their money, even though it was never taught to them. The should stop us from asking for help and finding the information that we need to change our financial situation. The should stop us from learning money management, because we get this, "Well, I'm just bad with money, or I'm not a numbers-person mentality," when we actually just have never been curious about how to handle our money in a way that actually makes us feel empowered. I should stop spending. I shouldn't have bought that. I should make more money. I shouldn't be in debt. This is what that financial shame spiral looks like, and it doesn't have to be that way. It can feel easier. I don't believe in shaming yourself to change. As a coach, helping you take away the judgment that you are placing on yourself is my job. If you're ready to deep dive into getting your financial shit together and breaking out of those money stories that are no longer serving you, the cash-confident creative enrollment is starting soon. Go ahead and go down to the bottom of the show notes and click the link to get on the wait list, so you can be the first to know how you can change your financial situation in a place that feels so good and aligned to you. Thank you so much for listening to the Starting Messy Podcasts, and enjoy this episode. And don't forget, get on the wait list to save some money and be the first to know when the cash-confident creative opens soon. Welcome to the Starting Messy Podcast, where chaos and courage come together to create magic. On this show, we're flipping the script on perfectionism and embracing the messy imperfect journey of entrepreneurship. I'm your host, Misty Jane, a life and money empowerment coach for people who are obsessed with personal growth. My guests and I are sharing the truth behind what it means to start messy and why it's worth the leap, because let's be real. All the best stories start with a little chaos. Welcome back to the Starting Messy Podcasts. This is a replay from one of my friends' podcasts, The Small Town Stylus, my friend Casey Taylor, and we have an amazing conversation about how your money believes are actually affecting your business and how you show up for your clients. So please enjoy, and obviously you like podcasts because you're listening to this one, so if you are in the hair industry, I cannot recommend The Small Town Stylus Podcasts enough. So if you enjoy this, go give Casey's podcast a listen and let us know what you think. Enjoy. You're projecting your money beliefs on your clients, and it's affecting you, and then you're resentful to your clients because you're not setting the boundaries that you need to set when it comes to your pricing. And I don't want to say knowing your worth, I don't like that, but knowing what you should be charging, right? And it literally affects every aspect of your life. You are listening to The Small Town Stylus Podcast where beauty pros are empowered to create the life and career of your dreams, regardless of your population count. Hello, and welcome back to The Small Town Stylus Podcasts. I'm your host, Casey Taylor, and today I am so excited to have my very first guest on the podcast. She is somebody you might already know, and if you don't, you're going to completely fall in love with her. Her name is Misty Jane, and she is one of my amazing friends in the industry. Hello, Misty. Hi, Casey. Thank you so much for having me. I'm like super honored to be your first guest. I am so honored to have you as my first guest. So for our listeners that don't already know you, let them know who you are and what you do. Yes, I am a life and money coach, a life and money empowerment coach is what I like to say. And essentially, I help hairstylus with their personal finances, as well as getting through sticky stuff, you know, the blocks, the fears, all the things that are kind of too overwhelming to get started. But when it comes to money, that is like my favorite, because I myself was a, you know, super busy, burnt out hairstylus, thinking that the more money that I made, every, all my problems would go away. And what I didn't realize is that I wasn't actually prioritizing my money management. So even though I was making more money, and as it was coming in, it was going out quicker than I could even like imagine. And I had to take a long look in the mirror and realize that I was the problem. So I have essentially spent the last five years helping stylus understand that their personal finances are such a big part of their life, their business, for the rest of their lives and helping them navigate that, which that's just a little bit of my story. I absolutely love that you talk about personal finances so much. I feel like we put so much effort on business finances, particularly in the beauty industry, because we talk about pricing and color cost and rent cost and maybe not having paid time off and not having insurance and all of these different things. But I feel like we really discussed how your mindset towards your personal finances really influences your business finances. I've noticed kind of this pattern within small towns in particular about kind of this mindset over pricing and over finances, things like, can my clients afford this? And is this price too high? Or are people like expecting to pay less because we're in a small town? So what kind of advice would you have for someone who is kind of struggling with some of these mindsets and trying to overcome these beliefs? Yeah, I mean, I think we don't realize how much we're projecting our own beliefs on other people. So assuming that your client walking in isn't going to pay, say, $300 for your services has nothing to do with your client and everything to do with you and your belief system and your mindset around your finances. And I think that this is so overlooked. We're constantly worried about what are people going to think? What are my clients going to think? But in reality, if you have a fear, for example, you're projecting your money beliefs on your clients and it's affecting you. And then you're resentful to your clients because you're not setting the boundaries that you need to set when it comes to your pricing. And I don't want to say knowing your worth. I don't like that. But knowing what you should be charging, right? And it literally affects every aspect of your life. And then we get mad at our business. We get mad at our clients. We get mad at our career, right? When in reality, it's something that we can actually start working towards and control and start looking differently at our finances. Yeah, I love that. So I feel like so many times we don't even realize how much of our own experiences we're projecting into our business. So projecting these thoughts onto our clients about what we think they should be spending or shouldn't be spending or especially whenever we know so many intimate details about our client's personal lives. I know that I used to do this a lot when I was earlier in my career thinking about, well, this is what they have going on. Maybe they're going through a divorce or they're, you know, having these different hardships, whether it's medical hardships or familial hardships. There's so many different aspects. And so it's easy for us to get into our heads about like, well, maybe I shouldn't charge them for this extra service that I'm doing today. Or maybe I feel like they can't really afford a full highlight today. So I'm just going to charge them for a partial. When in reality, our clients are making that decision to come to us and it's on them for determining what priorities they have in their own personal finances. Yeah, and I always like to play devil's advocate here too, right? Like if you were to walk into a store and you were going to buy something, maybe you had the money, you saved them, whatever, whatever you're buying. Let's just say, I don't know, a purse, okay? And the employee that works at the store goes, oh, you can't, I don't think you can afford that, right? How would that make you feel? And we do that to our clients all the time. We may not be saying it, but we are projecting that, right? And your clients come into you because they want the expert, right? They want that confidence. And when you get to the point where you're talking about pricing and you're like, well, I don't know, it's usually this, but maybe I'll charge you that, like, the confidence goes downhill. And you don't know how these people, how your clients are paying for things, right? Maybe they saved up for this. Maybe it was a gift. But honestly, that's none of your business. You know, maybe they feel empowered because they saved up some money and they want to go and get extensions or a full highlight. And they feel good about spending their money with you. Like, maybe that is something that they look forward to, you know, and also they love you, especially if you have a relationship with them. And they want to help you thrive as well. So we have to stop, again, projecting our judgment, our fears, our insecurities on someone else because it's affecting your clients and it's affecting your finances so much more than you realize. Oh, yeah. I mean, just imagine sometimes if we were to say the thing that we're not saying out loud, how would that client feel if they actually heard the thought process that you're having? I know in my personal experience, I had a situation with a guy who was managing my life insurance and disability insurance and things like that. And he made a comment to me one time because this is somebody who has to understand my finances and what money I'm bringing in and my income. He's like, so at what point are you going to cap out? Like, when do you stop making more money as a hairstylist? And I was so offended. Honestly, it kind of pissed me off. And I think about so many times that I know stylists as a whole have felt this kind of judgment from the world of, well, you're just another small town hairstylist and people just start making these assumptions about how we don't make enough money or we can't afford this. And, you know, just all these other portrayals that other people have on our own careers that make us upset and offended and, you know, really trigger all these emotions within us. And what I think a lot of times we don't realize is we're projecting that same thing onto our clients at times. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we need to normalize the wealthy hairstylist, right? And I use wealthy loosely because wealthy can be creating whatever life that feels successful to you. You don't need to live in a mansion if that's not what you're looking for, right? But like, we need to normalize hairstylists making a living in that this is a career, not that it's this hobby that we do for fun and we just enjoy it and just throw whatever money at us, you know, that you feel like we deserve. Like, that's not why we are doing this and there's so much fear, especially in, you know, my dad is very much in the small town vibe, right? And there's so much fear around a lot of money. There's so much fear around, you know, well, that makes you greedy. Well, you know, people who have money are bad. And that's not true, like money just intensifies who you already are. So if you're a stylist listening to this and you wish that you could provide for your family more or, you know, give to charity or do something good for your community, like money is the thing that's going to help you do that. So getting rid of this idea that, like, you know, if I charge more, if I charge what I'm supposed to charge if I have a successful business, people are going to judge me and look down on me because I'm just a hairstylist. Quote, unquote, we have to get rid of that narrative and we have to be the change, like us as stylists have to be the change. So we have to start making more money, bringing that money home, knowing what to do with it, putting yourself in these spaces, how amazing would it feel to go and give $500 to a charity of your choice and someone. Oh my God, thank you so much. What do you do? I'm a hairstylist. That would be so amazing, right? And that's, I think, how we are going to change the narrative. I love that so much because I feel like that's something I'm very passionate about is changing this narrative and the stereotype around being a small town stylist, because it was a very difficult thing to go to cosmetology school, knowing that my parents thought I was throwing my life away. And anytime I would share with people that that was what I was doing instead of going to college, they would almost like see their face drop and just, you know, instantly have all this judgment about what my career would be. And I think instead of, you know, when I was younger, finding that very offensive and it, like, kind of forcing me into this mindset of, well, I'm just going to prove everyone wrong. And I was able to use that as my superpower for a little while. Now I've grown to a point of, I don't want to do things to prove people wrong. I just want to, like, shed light on the beauty of what this industry is. So instead of being, like, offended by everyone else's mindset, I just want to be the change that I want to see, really elevate this space and elevate the way that we talk about the beauty industry. So something I've noticed is that a lot of stylists have the sphere of being selfish whenever they're raising their prices or they feel selfish for charging certain amounts, especially when you're in a small town and maybe you have looked at your finances and you've determined that your pricing isn't where it needs to be. But you notice everyone else around you charging a different price and you feel like, well, this is what everyone else is charging and I must not be able to, you know, raise my prices like that. What advice would you have for someone who is struggling with that fear of being selfish? Like, how do you overcome that mindset? And what do you think is kind of at the root of that? Like, where does it start? I mean, judgment, right? Like being worried about outsiders judging us, right, or judging you, or, you know, especially if there's a lot of scarcity mindset in small towns. There's a lot of, you know, the economy is going to shit and, you know, inflation talk and politics and all of this talk that makes us so scared to make any move and make any big move. So if you're surrounded by people who are charging less, right, and you're like, oh, my God, I cannot pay my bills right now because I need to charge more, but I'm going to look, you know, ridiculous. That is your own perception, right? That is your own belief system that you need to work through and you need to prove is incorrect. I mean, I have had people literally drive two hours from a small town to come and see me because they couldn't find what they were looking for in their small town. So you have to start remembering that there are people out there, not everyone is struggling, not everyone is in, you know, that scarcity mindset. And there are people out there, if you are providing the value, people will come find you and pay for it, right? So you are doing yourself a disservice by looking around you and doing what everyone else is doing because it's just going to keep you in that stuck position. And again, we're trying to change the narrative, right? Like, you got to do something different. You've got to, you know, show up differently to get a different result. So if you know that it is time to make a change, let's look at the facts. You know, you talk about this, right? What are you bringing in, or what are you paying out, right? What are your expenses? And then what do you need to bring in to live the lifestyle that you want to live? Like, that's fat, that's business. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's, we put so much emotion into our money. And at the end of the day, it is literally a piece of paper and it would be absolutely nothing if it wasn't for the beliefs that we put around it. So I think we have to remember to pull the emotion out of it. What do you need to run your business? What do you need to create a life that you want to create? Because this is your career. This is not just fun. It's not just a hobby. It is literally what you want to do for the rest of your life. And you are allowed to enjoy your career. I think there's a lot, well, I need to get my hands dirty. I need to like be miserable. I need to feel like I'm sacrificing everything to make money. No, you can have a career that you love and you can make money doing it. And people are going to find you. And they're literally think about the days that you go in and you're feeling stressed about money. What are you projecting on your clients, right? Those probably aren't the best days for anybody. But if you walk in and you love what you do, you're making the money you want to make. You have a, you know, a home life that you love. What happens? You're better for your clients. You're better for your family. You're better for yourself. So we've got to put the blinders on, look at the facts and figure out how you can create the income that you want to create and take the emotion out of it. That is like so nail on the head. I feel like there is this kind of narrative within the beauty industry of whenever you're self-employed, there's just like this list of pros and cons. And so many times you see stylists online complaining about the cons list of, well, we don't have paid time off. We don't have retirement. And like we just think about this kind of victim mentality. And whenever we're consuming content that's bringing that constantly to the front of our mind and we're feeding into that narrative, it really projects onto how we move within our business and the actions that we take. And we kind of end up self sabotaging. I've noticed a pattern with like cancellations, for example. And obviously, if samples are appointment last minute, you don't have that income coming in and that does affect your business finances. But if you've been like in a season where you're working all the time and you feel like you have almost like overbooked yourself, you'll get to this point where there will be a cancellation at the end of your day and you'll just be like, oh, thank God, I'm so ready to go home. Like I'm so exhausted. I'm so over it. And you don't even like care about that missed income because you've overworked yourself to a point of like you're just desperately needing that break instead. But then on the flip side, a few weeks later, you'll have maybe three cancellations in a row for various reasons and regardless of if it was like a hate to say the word valid, but like, you know, a more reasonable reason. If you have all these back to back cancellations and you're feeling that stress about your finances, then we start like freaking out. And that's when you see a lot of stylists posting on their stories about a cancellation policy and going on these passive aggressive rants because they're letting that personal finance and that personal like life experience project into their business. Yes, absolutely. I mean, think about it. If you had a full bank account, right, say you had a paid vacation on the horizon, you know, all your bills are paid. You've got an emergency fund and someone cancels how you feel. I get a little time off. I'm going to go have some lunch. I'm going to go do this go do that. I'm going to take a rest. You're not going to care as much. But when you're struggling and you're worried about every single dollar that comes into your business, it's going to affect the decisions that you make. You're going to take those clients that you don't want to take. You're going to work later than you want to work. You're going to end up burning yourself out trying to bring in the funds that you need to bring in. Rather than focusing on how can I manage my money in a way that if I get a cancellation, if I get a no show because these things happen, this is part of our business. Like to think that we're never going to have a cancellation or never going to have a no show is just not a very realistic way of thinking about our businesses. We have to set ourselves up to where that is not the end all be all of our business. I really think it starts with personal finance. Everyone wants to make more money. That's the narrative. More money, more money, more money. But we're not taking care of the money that we have coming in. If you do not know how to take care of $1,000, you are not going to know how to take care of $10,000. And I do believe in the law of attraction. And I do believe that when you take care of something and you focus something, you get more of it. But if we're stressed about it, we're ignoring it and we're just, "Oh, I wish it'll come. I wish I'd win the lottery and then you're never playing the lottery." That's my favorite. I was that person, right? When I win the lottery that I never played, if we start focusing on what we actually can control, all of those things that you want will actually come to you. I mean, I probably should have said this in the beginning, but when I was a burnt out hairstylist, we were $48,000 in debt and we would drive around our neighborhood that we loved so much growing up. And we would literally say things like, "We'll never be able to afford this. We picked the wrong careers." Those were the things I would always say it's because I didn't go to college, right? And I would say these things over and over again, and I believed them. And then one day, something snapped, and I'm like, "I don't want to live like this anymore. We need to make a change." We looked in the mirror. We sat down. We assessed our situation. We figured out what was going on. And we had, like I said, $48,000 in debt. We didn't even know we had that much debt. We just were, "Oh, I'm paying my minimum. It's fine." And we sat down and we decided, "You know what? We're getting rid of this." We created a plan. And in two years, not only did we pay off the $48,000 in debt, but we bought a house eight months later in that neighborhood we thought we could never afford. So we switched our mindset to the worlds against us. We made the wrong decisions to, "What can I control right now? What steps can I start taking to get to where I want to be?" And I think so many of us are so focused on the quick pleasures that we forget that we actually need to start making decisions now that are going to affect our lives 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now. I also noticed sometimes that you'll have stylists who are kind of stuck in these cycles of they feel like their finances are constantly tight. They feel like, "I don't have enough money to do all the things I want to do." And so they'll kind of fall into two different camps of people. You have some people who are like, "Okay, well, I must need to raise my prices because this must be a sign that I don't have enough money coming in." And maybe they actually do have enough money coming in, but there's that poor management in place. And then on the flip side, you have the other group of people who maybe don't have enough money coming in to cover their expenses, but maybe they don't even realize how much their business expenses are. And it's kind of led them down this path of they're actually profiting less than minimum wage because they're not looking at how those expenses within their business are also affecting the income that they're bringing in. So what advice would you have for someone who's trying to determine if they do have enough money coming in and it's more of a money management issue or if there is a deeper rooted financial issue within their business? Yeah, for sure. I mean, sitting down and assessing your situation is number one. I've given you a link. I have a free resource that can help you do that, but sitting down and figuring out and you can use it. It's for personal, but you can use it for your business as well. Sitting down and figuring out where is your money actually going? Because a lot of times we're just seeing stuff go out or seeing stuff come in, but we're not actually looking at what is going on. So like, where is your money going? How much are you spending on color? How much are you spending on foils? How much are you spending? You know, if we go personal on restaurants, on shopping, because we think that we know, I'll ask clients when they first start working with me, where does your money go? And they'll tell me one thing and then they'll assess their situation and they'll go, "Oh, my God, I had no idea." The amount of people who tell me they had no idea they were spending $1,000 a month at Target without realizing it is insane. Because $27.40 a day is $10,000 a year. I'm going to say that again. Let that sink in. $27.40 a day is $10,000 a year. How easy is that to spend? I mean, that's what? Two, three tubes of color that maybe sit on your shelf that you only use a drop of, but you still rebuy because you're used to rebying it. Or you know what I mean? Like, it's the from our foils that they came out, you know, the pretty prints that, you know, maybe aren't necessarily the best business decision. So we have to start actually looking at what's going on, not just looking at the balances and stressing out, but really, like, combing through and what is actually happening. Where is your money actually going? And how much are you actually bringing in? You know how many people don't even know how much they're bringing in in service sales? Like, have no idea or how much they're paying themselves? You have to know where your money is going. You have to pay attention or you're going to continue to stay in that stress cycle. I definitely noticed that a lot with people not really recognizing what the actual dollars are that are coming in. And then those, like, little expenses, like you mentioned, the fun, pretty foils and, like, new color brushes and things that are, like, very eye-catching and especially whenever you're going to the hair store. This is why I have to, like, border my color through my rep and have it delivered to my salon instead of going in person because I will get distracted. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, no, I really do need more five in when in reality, I bought, like, three tubes last month. Like, you slowly start stocking up on these colors that you don't even need. But something I really love that you talk about in a lot of your messaging is it's not about this deprivation mindset. You are not the, you know, religious bald man of the finance space that we all have probably heard about. Yes, complete opposite. And I feel like that's very refreshing because it's not this one size fits all mentality when we talk about personal finances or even our business finances. Like, every business is so unique and every person, like, what motivates me in my spending habits are not going to be the same things that motivate you or motivate someone else who's listening to this. We all have different motivators, which, if you're into the Enneagram, that can definitely be an influence, which is a topic for another day, but we all have these different motivators behind why we're making these actions and these choices. And I feel like understanding what is motivating you and what, like, the root of your personal struggles are, I think goes a long way. And I just love that you really share on that topic. I'm glad you brought up that because I think that the amount of people that will avoid me because I say I'm a money coach because they think I'm going to tell them not to spend their money. It's so interesting to me. But it doesn't have to be about restriction. I don't think it should be about restriction, right? I don't think it should be about you are bad with money and you need to fix what you're doing. It needs to be about empowering yourself with your finances, right? How can you take your money and buy the things that you want to buy that you love, that light you up, that enhance your life? How can you cut out all the bullshit that you don't, I'm going to say don't need, but, like, that you don't really care about, right? Like, how many things have you ordered on Amazon? You're like, what did I even order? Like, it comes to your door. Like, I don't even remember ordering that or how many things do you find in your closet that still have tags on it, right? Like, figuring out how to stop wasting your money on the things that you don't care about and start spending on the things that you love and the things that light you up. I love experiences. I love travel. So, we choose not to go out to eat that often or buy fancy clothes. I don't care about that so that I'm able to travel and do those things. So, I think figuring out what it is that you actually want, what you want to do with your money, you know, the things that really light you up and not spending on the other bullshit that you don't actually even care about. So, it's about empowering yourself with your finances and mindful spending because we are constantly just like swiping cards and not thinking twice about it. And it's time to empower yourself rather than restricting yourself because honestly, everyone I've talked to that says that they've tried to get out of debt before or they tried to budget before. They've restricted themselves so much that they stop and they can't stay consistent. And this is your life. Like, I want you to live your life and I want you to learn how to manage your money where you can still live your life and get the desired future results that you want. Because we think so much about that quick pleasure that we forget that sometimes we just have to make different choices to make that long term pleasure last a bit longer. Yes, because so many times don't we like will be doing well and this applies to so many other areas of our life not just finances but even things like working out at the gym and you'll be doing so great for a while. But if you like throw yourself like too deep into it like too hard too fast, then all of a sudden one day you're just going to stop and then you're going to binge all the cookies and the birthday cake and whatever. Not that there's anything wrong with like treating yourself every now and then, but like knowing when to treat yourself a moment and not just treat yourself well, this is my entire birthday month which then turns into, you know, my entire birthday quarter. And, you know, before you know it, it's just like spirals and same thing with like finances, you can have the pretty foils every now and then you can get new color brushes. There are definitely times to buy something nice for yourself and do things that are going to like elevate your salon experience or just make it more exciting to, you know, do your job every day, but doing it within reason and making sure both on a personal level and on a business level. That we're like being mindful of how we're approaching our finances and doing it in a way that's sustainable. It's not like this crazy, you know, hardcore one way and it doesn't have to be this like miserable draining. No fun, because I think that's what like prevents a lot of people from even getting started in the first place. They're so intimidated and scared of how much they're going to have to give up instead of being able to see that it's actually not as restrictive as you think it is. It's more about being intentional. And then you're able to actually do so much more in the long term because of it. Yeah, I think people need to realize what they can gain out of something more than what they're going to lose. You know what I mean? Like when my husband and I decided to start getting out of debt, it literally took us two to three months before we were like, oh my God, like, we actually feel like we have more money. We didn't pay off all of our debt in two to three months. We didn't fill our savings account in two to three months. We weren't even making more money in two to three months. But we took control of our money in a way that we were able to buy what we chose to buy on purpose and felt like we were in control of it. So even though nothing changed with us financially, us just making the conscious choice to manage our money actually took the stress of money away from us. Because you stress about it, what is stress, fear, right? Like your just fear is lack of knowledge, the unknown. So if you start to take control of it, that fear starts to go away and that stress starts to lessen. And I wish more people would realize that. And sure, like learning something new is uncomfortable, but so is financial stress. And financial stress, if you choose not to learn a different way, is going to be more uncomfortable for so much longer and in so many aspects of your life because you are going to have to deal with money for the rest of your life forever. Okay, whether you like it or not. Okay, so let's think about the discomfort of learning something new. And by the way, do not feel shame for not knowing how to manage your money. It is not taught in schools. The majority of our parents do not know how to manage it. We picked up our beliefs from them. We picked up our habits from them, society, you know, deeper things going on with us emotionally affect our finances. And it is not something unless you are specifically seeking the knowledge. It is not something that you are born knowing. So, so many people are scared to ask for help because they feel like they should know this stuff. And if you follow along on my Instagram, I hate shoulds. We got to get rid of the, well, I should know this, you can learn this. Okay, you're not bad with money. You want to learn knowledge around finances, right? You'll get to choose that. So, let's get rid of the shame around not knowing what to do with your finances and start actually empowering ourselves to learn this knowledge and create the life that you want to create. I love everything that you say, Misty. I feel like you just bring so much perspective and motivation to everyone. Whenever you share about this topic, like, this is clearly where you thrive. So, I would love for you to share. Where can our listeners find you connect with you, learn from you more. Yep, I pretty much live on Instagram so you can find me at underscore Misty Jane with a Y underscore. And again, I have dropped the link to the assess your situation. It's a free resource. It's got videos. It's got a little spreadsheet situation. And then there are some digital courses that will pop in your email if you are ready to start creating some financial freedom. And I really try to talk about it in a way that I needed six years ago, where it's, you know, it's the foundations. It's the, I call it the simple guide to financial freedom, because again, the shit ain't taught. It needs to be, but it's not. Thank you so much for joining us today, Missy, and sharing and just all of the knowledge that you bring to everyone. I love how you just approach everything with so much kindness and empathy and empowerment. There's never any shame whenever you talk about money. And I think that is going to be so valuable. So I'm excited for all of our listeners to check you out and stay connected. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me, Casey. Once again, thank you so much for listening to the starting messy podcast. I hope that this inspires you to get out of your own way and start messy. If you like what you heard, please share it, leave a review and tag us on social media. I'll talk with you on the next one. [BLANK_AUDIO]
