[INTRO] Welcome to a special Monday edition of Wallowing in the Shallows, the podcast that skirts the perilous drop-off of a deep dive into television and movies. We are academic nerds aspiring to become TV and movie geeks. There are no spoiler guards in the shallows, so listen at your own risk. This week, join us for a wallow in The Mandalorian, season one, re-watch. [INTRO] Hello peeps, welcome to Wallowing in the Shallows' story. And this is Rebecca, and today we are talking about The Mandalorian, season one, episode seven, The Reckoning, and episode eight, Redemption. And we once again have our fabulous guests! Yay! Hello, Amanda! Welcome back, thank you, we're so excited to be back, we were kind of doing quick recordings of the acolyte, and the first one we were like, "We did, that's a good job!" We're available at a moment's notice! [LAUGHTER] So the last two episodes of season one of The Mandalorian, I kind of forgotten a lot of the stuff that happened, because it's been a while since I watched it, so it was fun. It was like watching it for the first time again almost. So in a couple years since I saw it last, I would think. Yeah, yeah, but it's just so memorable. Great, I mean, it really was just as if I was watching it for the first time again. I was like, "This season was really fabulous! This was a great ending to season one, I thought." It definitely is, it definitely makes its mark. It's made its mark throughout the season, but it definitely planted the flag with these two episodes. Yeah, yeah, yes, and seeing, and I always screw up his name, one Carlo Esposito. Gian Carlo. Muff. Gian Carlo. Love. Love him. He just adds. I mean, it's already a great ensemble, but he totally adds. Yeah, his calmness and matter of factness is scary as hell, but it's like whatever. When I think this is the first time that I caught, there was this moment in one of the scenes where there's just, he does this subtle shifting of the way his facial muscles are, and it just, it makes him go from like very angry to enraged looking, like, and it's like his eyes, you know, he doesn't smile or frown or anything, it's just like this weird shift in his cheek muscles or something, and I was like, "Oh my gosh, I can leave it." Wow. I don't think I caught that. It was when he was, thought he was going to catch them, and then they like ran back into the hub or whatever, wherever they were, where they get trapped. Wasn't that after Dinn grabbed the E-web cannon and started, "Oh, yeah, I remember." Yeah. Yeah. This is going to, you've made this more difficult for me. How dare you? There's more paperwork now. He's just an incredible actor, it's amazing. He really is. He really is. For sure. So, I loved how in the beginning of episode seven, well, we get the call from Carl Weathers. Yes. The call for assistance at Navarro, and yeah, if you come, Mando, you know, all will be well, will clear your name, and, you know, totally a double cross waiting to happen. But I like how Mando just gathered his crew, picks up Cara, and then she's like, "We need somebody to watch the kid." Yeah. Is he going to be all right up there? Yeah, totally. Meanwhile. Yeah, he didn't want to go back to Navarro. I'll get a mess. Do you think, well, I mean, when he's messing with the ship, do you think that's why? I mean, that's what I interpreted, right? Because he had been eavesdropping on Mando and Cara Dune, and they're like, "We've got to go back to Navarro, we've got to do this, we've got to do that," and then he just kind of disappears back up there, and then he's like, "I mean, I can see that, but I can also get just being a curious toddler who's pulling knobs and pushing buttons until something happens that he can't get out of. I mean, because we saw him playing with the switches before, and it just slowly reaching over and flipping the switch, and don't touch that." And now he's been left to his own device. He's like, "Ooh, I got all the levers, I got all the buttons in." Yeah. Well, that could be. Yeah. That could be. The Razorcrest is not a toy. No, it's not. But I think that's another example of Denjarn's naivete, right? He just expects that it'll be fine. You're like, "No, it's a toddler, it's not going to be fine." Yeah. Yeah. It's just me all the time. That's what he thought. That's what he thought. That's what he thought. That's what he thought. That's what he thought. That's what he thought. That's what he thought. That's what he thought. And he's like, "Well, could you maybe add a little something to make this more comfortable?" And Quill just makes the most awesome bassinet ever with the automated stuff. And I was like, "What do you have him in?" Because we know that the original one got trashed, so now he's like keeping him in a bucket. I mean... No one puts "baby" in a bucket, seriously. That's awesome. When Quill and Cara June are kind of clashing a little bit there, I just love it was like looking at Grogu. He says, "This one looks too, this one looks too evolved. It's so ugly." And he looks at Cara June and he's like, "Yeah, this one looks like she was formed in the cyto caves of Dora." Wow. Wow. I've never even heard of that place before, but it sounded insulting. So... Yeah, I did look it up because I was wondering, because I hadn't heard of it either. And I was like, "Where does this first show up?" But first shows up here. Oh, that's a good one. Well, actually it first shows up in this book, "Dar Wars Dawn of Rebellion visual guide," which is... Or it says, "Yeah." Yeah. So that's the first time it's mentioned. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it sounds like it's... I mean, extrapolating from everything I know, it sounds like it's some sort of an offshoot of the clone manufacturing on... Wow. Geez, whatever was that? Ocean planet that... Tomato? Oh, yes. Thank you. Does that mean that she's a clone, then? I guess you're trying to suggest that she was genetically engineered at the very beginning. Ah, okay. Not necessarily a clone, but genetically engineered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think Quill was just trying to insult her and bait her, right? Yeah. Yeah, they just kept calling her a "dropper." Yes. And it made me so happy that we got to see Agonauts in a different role. I just... Mm-hmm. Because one with like a tantalizing hints and drops about culture, you know, because he talks about buying like the whole tribe or the whole group, like he bought them, you know, out of that slavery. Mm-hmm. I mean, of course it was the '80s, but Empire just sort of treats them as like these little non-entities, you know, that just picked up the trash or whatever, but yeah, Quill it's much more... You can tell it's a much more developed part about their culture and how they interact with each other. I don't know. I always like the Agonauts. Yeah. So nice. I greatly appreciated all of the time that was spent with Quill, and this is where we first learned his name, Quill. Right. He said that Agonauts, I have a name, Quill, and how he says that he worked for basically three human lifetimes to buy the freedom of his clan, and that now he works for himself out of servitude, away from servitude, you see what I mean? That was... I mean, just in those few lines, we had a really great performance and by both the suit actor and by, oh geez. Technology. Technology. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, a lot of intensity to that, and so I'm very thankful for that scene, because it really gave us a lot about the Uggnot culture and that it's an indentured servitude to the Empire. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I can't stop talking about it, it was bad good. Yeah. I love it. Yeah, our IP, I mean, great to see him again, dropping all the philosophy, droids are not good or bad, depends on the programming, you know, kind of reorienting the Mandos. I mean, how can Mando not have some respect for droids at the end of this when IG-11 totally sacrifices himself, and he's like, I know this is jumping way to the end, but he's like, you're sad. I'm not sad. He's like, I'm trained as a nurse droid, I hear it in your voice, you are sad. Yeah. I mean, all it took was a droid saving his life and telling him that you can't check out my helmet. No living thing has seen me without my helmet to sound as a child. And he simply says, flatly, and truthfully, I'm not a living thing. Mm-hmm. That was amazing. Ah. Thank you for that scene, guys. Mm-hmm. That was a great scene. I think I read somewhere in that scene that actually during that whole filming of that series of scenes, Pedro Pascal's nose was broken. So like, when they're filming that part of it, like he, and he's kind of bleeding, that's actually, I think somebody said it's actually like, that's actually, I have to look that up. Oh my gosh. I can't imagine like trying to like act in a scene, I mean, while you're just like, my nose is broken. I'll have to make it. Yeah. Did you get broken on sex too? Yeah, I think it did. I'll totally back you up on that. Yeah. I've just found an article that I will- Oh, good. Thank you. Is just, you know, production aside, I will send you that link. Yeah. Yeah. He cut the bridge of his nose and had to get seven stitches right before the filming of his big unmasking scene. So not all of that was makeup. Oh, wow. Oh my gosh. It wasn't broken, but he did get injured. Oh, yeah. He didn't get whacked around the bridge of his nose. He says he walked into plywood while leaving the makeup trailer and had to go to the hospital. Oh my gosh. Wow. He showed up in the hospital looking where, where's it? He actually was because he was already made up for the scene. So people at 10 times worse, they were like, quote, let him in, John, seriously, creator John Fravro joked of what the reaction was at the hospital. Wow. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny. Yeah. The old, I've just, I've gotten to the part where they got on to the planet. Yeah. Navarro. And it was like, oh, something smells fishy. This is, you can never, you can't, you can't trust Carl Wethers farther. You can throw him. [laughter] Grief cargo. I should, I should use his character name. I don't mean Carl Wethers. I mean, is it grief? Grief cargo. Grief cargo. Yeah. So grief cargo, right? Always, always self-interest, always watching for number one. And so you knew it was going to be going to be trouble. And I loved it. Trust me, nothing can go wrong. And then I said, "Drogon showed up." I know it wasn't "Drogon," but then "Drogon or Two" went for the birds looking for dinner, you know. It was like going to think and go wrong. Oh. I never said there was dragons in "Star Wars." Yeah. That's what I was like. I was like, "What are dragons?" Yeah. They're dragons now in "Star Wars." They're dragons in "Star Wars"? Do you want to have to eat in "Booker Boba Fett"? Well, true. But... Crank dragons. Yeah. But I just didn't. Actual fire-breathing dragons. Yes. That lived near lava. Huh. Yeah. What's that? You know, one thing when they were... I never noticed it before. And I don't know why, because it was... I didn't notice it because it's right at the front of the screen in the scene. When they're walking to the lava river, there's like some animal up towards the front. And I was like, "Is that like a lava goat or something?" Yeah. Like the snoles? There's some red-eyed lava rats. I don't know what the hell it was. No. It's not a lava goat. It's dinner. That's next scene. Oh. You're right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember... Because I was like, "Is that a lava goat?" And then, of course, they cut to the fire scene. Or the scene where they're camping and it's on a spit. And I'm like, "Maybe it is a lava goat." I love it. And somebody mentioned something about a fire team. And I just wrote down, "What is a fire team?" I had to go look it up because I had never really heard that reference before. But it's a small kind of strike unit. It's a small... Yes. ...within the alliance. Special forces. Mm-hmm. Oh. Oh. And then it made me wonder. And that... You both have seen Andor. You all have seen Andor, right? Yes. Rebecca, have you seen Andor? Yeah? No. Okay. Go ahead. Well, I was just wondering, you know, when Andor joins that group that's going to go rob the empire? Yeah. Would that small team have been considered like a fire team? Even if they weren't necessarily infantry, I would say they were not a fire team. I would say they were a task force, perhaps. Okay. Okay. Would Han Solo and Land Chewy going down to Andor be a fire team? Mm. That's an interesting thing. Okay. So I actually had to go to some sort of ROTC documentation that the fire team is the building block of all army tactical operations, fire teams, make up squads, squads make up latoons, and so on and so forth. So that's that. I... I... We're getting way in the weeds here, but... Yeah, we're in the weeds. I'd say that was at least a platoon that went down to Andor. Okay. Okay. All right. Whatever. I just popped it to my head. So... I forgot how much Grogu did in these two episodes, and boy, this healing grief was huge, right? It made him change sides, but oh, he just gets so tuckered every time. It's so hard. It's so hard. It's so hard. It gets so tired. Yeah. I love when grief cars like it's trying to eat me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So this is after all the empire's gone, right? Yes. How can those people have not heard of the force? Everybody seems really surprised at these powers, and I'm like, they've been around for a long time. How can you all not have heard of them? Mm-hmm. I guess my own explanation is that the galaxy is a very large space. We're out in the outer rim, I would guess. So news doesn't really filter out this far. They probably only heard stories and fragments about all the stuff that happened at Yavin 4 and Dore. All he knows is that the empire is in shambles, and there are only remnants left, and they don't know quite exactly why, because it doesn't really interfere with their day-to-day life. But so they're probably vaguely aware of something, and they like, Jedi, there's a Jedi left. Well, I thought they were all dead long ago, and that sort of thing. Yeah, they've probably heard stories, certainly, but direct experience, not so much. I'll buy that. I'll buy that. Big mistake, Mando, to send Quill and the baby back to the ship. On the slow boat. Slow blurb. Slow blurb. Slow blurb. I mean, he was raised when he heard that trouble was how bad we tried to get theirs fast. He could, "Oh, I hated that we lost girl." It was so close. So close. The inside of the razor crest, the ramp was down, just literally seconds away. Yep. Yep. Yep. But it gave us the opportunity to have IG-11 save the day, and some very good Taika Waititi. So good, so dead, Van. Oh, my God. Yeah. He's amazing in this. So I'm hoping we're going to get a little bit of a murder her song today. Yes. You want me to say the line? Yes. I would like to see the baby. Awesome. Yes. Fabulous. Again, RIP to him as well, although I will listen as much as Quill because he was a real pain in the butt. But interesting to hear him defending the rule of the empire, right? Is life better since then, you know, is the world more peaceful since the revolution? Tyrants always defending Tyranny. Yeah. Because he just goes down the party line. Yeah. It is a shame that your people suffered so just as in this situation, it was all avoidable. And I won't put the whole thing. I mean, it wouldn't take much time. But yeah, he's like, he's saying like the empire brought, you know, safety, prosperity, trade, opportunity, peace, and comparing period rules and what's happening now, like, well, you guys did kind of strip entire planets for their resources regardless of the population. So I mean, you can spend it how you want, but it's, it's, it's still tyranny. Yeah. But it's not like it's been years and years since the empire fell, right? Or has it been years and years often it stays between five and nine years. So I guess it's been years and years. Oh, that's not really that long though. Yeah. Yeah. To rebuild. I mean, look how long it's taken us to get our ship back together after COVID. Right. Right. We're still all together. Yeah. So after many years of having the empire in charge and yeah, okay, it makes sense. Yeah. And I was curious about the chain codes. Is it just because Navarro has this kind of imperial remnant in charge that they're still checking chain codes? That's my belief. Yes. Must be. Yeah. And I've always been kind of fascinated about them. Like sometimes they seem like DNA. And then sometimes it seems like your social security number, a combination of both those things. Yeah. I mean, because we saw in like the first couple of episodes that the chain code also included age and did it also include last position? I'm not sure. I don't remember what all the chain code has. Yeah. And when he first gets the tracking, he does say all we can provide is a chain code plus the tracker. So yeah, I guess I've never really understood them honestly. I guess I just never looked them up. Is the first there was entity that we see chain codes in. Is it Han Solo or does it show up in the Clone Wars first? Hmm. According to what I'm seeing, they were first introduced shortly after the Clone Wars. Okay. That says the commonly, and this is this is from Wookiepedia. So take it forward. Well, and this is visuals it can get right. They're commonly used by bounty hunters, you use the markers, you can judge devices. Don't have tracking pops to locate their targets. It's apparently attuned to specific biometrics of entity. Okay. All right. Yeah. I know they had them in the bad batch too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty much a full ony thing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I can pretty much answer zero questions on Han Solo. So. Han Solo. There is only one Han Solo. Right. Yeah. There's only one that can't do it. Jeff teased me for a long time and I was like, okay, so on a plane, I started to watch it. And I was, I got to a point where I was like, nope. And I just turned it off. I was like, I can't do it. I can't. Yeah. Well, for me, it was the voice. Right. I mean, the guy who played young Han Solo had such a high pitched voice in comparison to a Harrison Ford. I'm like, come on, that's so unbelievable. They should have deaged Harrison Ford to infancy. I mean, it's no other Han Solo. I just couldn't do it. Yeah, I couldn't either. Now I would have liked to have seen Donald Glover play Lando, but. Well, I wouldn't wear that too. Okay. That was good. Now that I liked. Yeah. Yeah. I think I would have liked that too. But anyway, so I know I keep urging Filoni mentally to like have Han Solo be in this next, Mandalorian, whatever we're going to get. Yeah. Yeah. How dare they kill them all? I know. Yeah. Yeah. More camel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was one other of the imps lines I'm going to call him the imp Werner Herzog. There was one of the imps lines that I want to use. Can I offer you a libation? We have a great line love the word libation and it just it was perfect. I was like, I got to use that in life that have some people over. Could I offer you a libation? What are you doing today? I'm having libation. Yes. Yes. Yes. Libations ahead. Yes. Your pardon? A libation? No, it's a, it's a drink, not like a massage or anything. Come on, dude. Yeah. It's weird about that is he like, what, what is it that he wants to drink with them? You know, like what is his, why is he doing that? Because ultimately they're like, he's their client, like, or they're his client. I'm not sure how you want to figure that out, but, but other than giving him more time to shine, which is amazing, but, um, which is kind of a weird, let's have a drink. Maybe he was just stalling until Moff Gideon got there. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Okay. Go for that. I didn't realize Moff was a, like a political title. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's kind of like a governor. Yeah. I mean, the first time we heard it was Grandma, Grand Moff Tarkin from A New Hope. Ah. Did they actually call him that in a new home? Mm hmm. I think they did. I don't think they called him that on screen, but I certainly remembered from like the story book. Ah, novelization, but the story book. Yeah. For the movie. Huh. Yeah. I just thought it was his first name. And then I was trying to find out more information about him and it just came up Gideon and I'm like, and then I was reading that. Oh, Moff is a political title got it, got it, but it surprised me, but I was going to go somewhere with that, but I've lost the train. It's left the station. Mm hmm. It has. Yeah. Great, great bit of him flying in just perfect, perfect and perfect, perfect arrival, perfect arrival of Moff Gideon, very Darth Vader reminiscent. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. Black suit, cape, menace. Oh, yes. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I, I remembered what I was going to say. Great. Train back. Train back. Go back into the station. Um, no, I was curious as to, you know, why Moff Gideon didn't seem too concerned that they were going to blow up the baby with every bit along with everybody else. And he, what wasn't concerned at all with killing the client? No. No. And I was just like, man, I don't think I'd want to work for Moff Gideon. I think he knew, I think he knew the baby wasn't there, right? I think he knew the baby was in the show. So he wasn't worried about that and I don't think he gave a crap about the client. No. Mm hmm. What I was surprised was at how long it took him to give permission for the two people who retrieved the baby to come back in, though, to hilarity, hilarity ensues with Trooper 1 and Trooper 2, AKA Ted Lasso, but I just was like, this is like his entire mission. Why would he be at all delaying? But maybe it was just the underlings afraid to tell him that they were back, but I think that's what it was. Yeah. I was surprised, you know, because I kind of forgot about that exchange at the beginning. Yeah. I've episode eight and I'm like, wow, that's really funny that they have to be professional comedians because their timing was just right on and so I thought was chasing today because I didn't recognize the other guy, but I was like, oh yeah, that makes sense. I forgot. I haven't seen Ted Lasso. I've heard good things about it, though. Yeah, they're definitely both comedians and that scene was so, so good. Yep. We got to hit on Imperial bureaucracy. We also had to deal with the bad aim of stormtroopers in general. Yeah. So meta. It's so meta. I love it. We can't hit something right in front of me. I love it. It just shakes the pistol and it'll rattle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's be something wrong here. Maybe Moph once eat it. I don't ask questions. I mean, it's just so many and the moth calling him the moth. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that'd be like saying the governor. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Exactly. The moth, but it just sounds funny, right? It just sounds. I don't know. It just, it sounds too much like a moth and of course my mind goes to the moth man. Oh, yes. Well, you got that bat wing cape going. Yes, but I guess kind of put it to the back of my mind that they hit the baby. Oh, hated that. I'm like, you know, when IG shows up. I'm like, get up, IG. Get him. Get him. Get him the baby. When you got his own bite in, Grogu did bite the one guy's finger. Yeah. Well, and I wonder if like they used like just a ball or something because that prop cost two million dollars. Yes. They're not just like wailing on it every minute. You know. Yeah. They were hitting a bag. That was exactly the. Yeah. The baby was not in there. Yeah. I actually hope not. There was the one gallery episode we were watching on Disney plus the behind the scenes specials for the Mandalorian and I think Favreau said, you know, guys, that's a two million dollar prop in that bag. So maybe they were actually. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that specifically. I certainly hope they weren't all the time because they were a little emphatic in their role. Yeah. I mean that when that I mean the first couple of times it's kind of just like a smack on the head, right? But that third one. I hunched it. Wow. Like it's just a little baby. What the fuck. And it collectively is an audience where like how dare you strike Grogu with when you have dare you strike the child and then IG shows up and we're like, okay, yep, y'all go and get it down. Yep. Yeah. Love it. Love it. IG 11 just stealing the scene here and doing the job right and the moth waited entirely too long to give his approval because if I do 11 enough time to save the day, I love IG 11. Yeah. It was such an amazing shift from something that was feared and not, you know, and something we viewed as an enemy and then do a quill and I like, I love the description of how quill talks about it that it was more than programming that it was programming but then it was like teaching him about behavior and reinforcing and he talks about positive affirmation which kind of, you know, is more than just a droid. That's more like child re-ring. Yeah. That's why I was interesting. Yeah, we can talk about that scene but it's the whole nature versus nurture argument for droids. Yeah. It's more important. I mean, or the environment that they work in, according to quill, it would be a nurture. Yeah. Yeah. Which is unexpected. Yeah. Yeah. Well, another question that popped up for me in episode eight, you know, Moff Gideon's given him all this information and Dinn's like, you know, this, he was on Mandalore but he's supposed to be dead. Why didn't they go check to see if he was dead at the end of the episode? They just kind of like all leave. People just assume he died in the crash. Right. Right. That looks like a fiery crash. See, yeah. Yeah. That's good for me. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, this guy has some skills of getting out of tough situations so you'd think it won a double check already. Some serious resilience. Mm-hmm. But yes, as I mean, do we want to give that away right now or do we want to keep talking about what happens at the very very end? Well, I think I just gave it away. Right. Yeah. He and survives, folks. He survives. He survives. You're like two seasons later, right? Or one season later. Yeah. Most of them. That was a real big shock watching it for the very first time that he'd do that much but everyone that was in there. Mm-hmm. And I think that was the very first time we hear the name Dinn Jarrod. Mm-hmm. Isn't Caracinthia? Caracinthia. Mm-hmm. Of Aldrin, so of course she's in for anything anti-imperial. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think it is the first time we hear Dinn Jarrod. Hi. Okay. If you're asking if you can trust me, you cannot. Oh, beautiful. She's up front. You know. Yeah. I'm just going to tell you, you can't trust me. But I will serve my own interests so you can depend upon that and if I need you, then I'm not going to kill you. He's very mother. It would have been and maybe they film scenes with them together. It would have been really awesome to have Giancarlo and Werner Herzog in the same scene. Oh my God. They just kind of changed all the scenery together, you know. Maybe they couldn't have handled it like maybe the film couldn't handle it. Yeah. Yeah. First into flame, right? Yeah. Yeah. Amazingness. That's a real Raiders moment. People's faces are melting and like, don't go. But it's like, I looked at the trap, Ray. Yeah. Yeah. Don't cross the straids. That's too much power in one spot. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. So, you know, when they do that flashback scene to Mando's parents hiding them away and so forth, they tell us what planet that is. I don't think it ever did, but I thought it was interesting that they're being attacked by droids, a droid from the trade federation. That's where those droids were phoned. I was trying to remember and I couldn't. That trade federation. Trouble. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely battle droids. The heavy-duty battle droids, not the little Roger Roger ones, but like the bigger, bigger badder ones. Roger, Roger. Roger. Roger. Roger. Roger. Roger. So then, so this is probably like 20, 30 years prior to the current time. I'm going to say probably closer to 20. So, the empire is in charge, do you think? Or just is it just because I educated myself just a little bit on the history of Mandalore. And I learned a little bit more about the Jedi war and then the clan conflict. So do you think that Din lost his parents kind of during the prequel era or before that? I'm going to find out when the trade federation stopped really being a thing because we know they were around for the first three films, the prequel. Yeah. They're in the prequel. And through the Clone Wars I think too? Yeah. Because it doesn't get destroyed like in the last prequel, honestly I'd walk those movies out of my head. Right. Right. I mean that was the rise of the empire, yes. So I would have to say somewhere in the timeline that he becomes an orphan, if he becomes a found language picked up by Death Watch sometime around the end of the trade federation. So sometime around the end of the Clone Wars series, I mean I was speaking very loosely. So that was the Death Watch that saved him and not just like the regular Mandalorians? Yeah, I think I've read specifically they were Death Watch, which would suggest that's why he ended up sort of in the cultish environment that we will find out that he ended up in. That makes sense. I mean, because there were different castes, different factions within Mandalore, those that wanted to be hidden away, and those are most, I want to say, most likely the remnants that were left over after the purge, who felt the need to keep themselves hidden to keep themselves covert and after all times because they were the remnants. Okay. They were left over from the siege of Mandalore. Okay. So this would have been Pre-Visla's group, wasn't he was in charge of the Death Watch right? At one time? Oh, you mean Pre-Visla? Pre-Visla. Yes, I think so. You don't have to go look back at my notes. Oh boy. Oh boy. Cirque, Wookiee, BTS. Cirque, Wookiee, BTS. Yeah. Oh, here we go. So the prequel era in the Clone Wars, we've got the pacifist Mandalorians. And then when Maul arrived and took over Death Watch by usurping Pre-Visla, wait like Darth Maul? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I need to get back. Yeah. And then Bo-Katan didn't like Maul, so she and her group left Death Watch and they allied with the Republic and the Jedi, which then resulted in the siege of Mandalore. And I have Bo-Katan ruled for a short time until Order 66 caused the clones to turn. And then Mandalore's totally lost. Hmm. Okay. And there's another Civil War, which the Mandos kind of win, but then in retaliation, the Empire enacts the purge. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And just maybe confirming something you said earlier, Pre-Visla was in the head of Death Watch. He wasn't? He was. Okay. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. That'd be kind of interesting if it was his troop of warriors that saved Din Jaren. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It says here according to, according to Wikipedia, it was a Mandalorian terrorist splinter group of warriors that opposed the pacifist government of Mandalore, led by Dutchess, the teen cries near the phone wars. So yeah, I mean, looking back at that, as soon as you learn that Death Watch has involved anyone who's really steep in the lore knows that Death Watch and therefore the cast that Din Jaren is part of is basically a splinter group. Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. Interesting. You know, it'd be good gas is if sometime in the future we learned that the armor was like the Amor of Pre-Visla or something. [laughter] Whoa. [laughter] I'll tell you that armor is awesome. Yeah. She has some really amazing scenes in this, this set of episodes when they go back to, I guess it's the last one where they go back and find her and she's just, then when they leave and she just kicks a bunch of stormtroopers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. With like her hammer and tongs? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's amazing. Mm-hmm. Just shattering that armor. Amazing. Yep. I don't think I'd wear that armor. If I was signing up to be a stormtrooper, I'd be like, can I have the next rate up? Yeah. I think it's so big about this is not actually armor. Yeah. It's just like they put on like their, their best t-shirt and called it armor, you know? Yeah. It doesn't really stop anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, honestly, I, I think Nancy and I've talked about this with you, like the, the stormtrooper armor provides some basic protection against environmental things, but it's mostly an, an environmental effects, but it's mostly just for the intimidation value. They're these faceless white troopers are sort of like almost like skull, rictus, grin, helmets. And, you know, you shoot with a blaster, you're probably gonna get them, but it's all about the numbers. It's all about the intimidation. Yeah. Maybe protecting against UV rays. We know like, like that and the recruiting center, you know, like the, the recruiters, like here are the benefits. If you sign up to be a stormtrooper, you will not get skin cancer, right? You will never get skin cancer. Your armor is a hundred percent guaranteed to protect you from UV light and anything else it would cost you cancer. Yes. Like the recruit's like, what about, you know, a blaster fire? Oh, we're working on that. It's your talent. In development. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you don't need to worry about that. Right. You'll never get shot at. It's not. You're a stormtrooper. We're within the empire. We'll take care of you. Right. Right. Okay. I'll tell you, the child is a bit of a thrill seeker. I mean, love it the ride with IG 11. Yeah. Yeah. Ears blowing back. Oh, my God. I love it. I love that one quick scene where you got the Jawa and the two stormtroopers and IG 11 is coming through and he's like, oh, and the Jawa is like, oh, yeah, the stormtroopers are down. I'm like, damn, my G, blah, blah, blah, blah. When you know that the the Jawa just stripped those stormtroopers, right? And they're like, oh, I'll just be taking that, you like, and that, you know, just taking everything. And then that's the other thing I really like is that we get Jawa's like, again, also like seeing inside their, what are those things called the transports and the sand rollers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like snippets of their culture too. Mm hmm. Which is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in some senses, the world building that happens, like in this first season is actually really, I think part of why it's such a strong series is because they take things that we were, you know, I mean, I say we because we're all about the same age and like, we saw those films were like, well, what about that? Or what about this? Or what about that? So they're answering that in a sense. Yeah. Yeah. So we're just making sure feel, you know, embedded in it even more. Oh, like, there's a Jawa. Oh, I know what they're going to sound like and I know what they're going to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're not exclusive to Tatooine. They're all over the place. Kind of as far as their reach can go. I don't know if there's any kind of a fan thing about yellow eye Jawa's on Tatooine versus red eye Jawa's elsewhere. I mean, I suppose that's a question. It's probably rating it some corner of the internet, but probably probably they're kind of like the cockroaches where it's just everywhere and they just show up whenever there's a bunch of crap laying around. Well, I'm totally off topic, but how do they make their transports look the same on different planets with different junk, you know, so like a question on every planet, right? Yeah. So not as this. How does that sand crawler because they're not transporting those things through space, right? They have to like probably land and then like, well, what kind of plans, you know, how do you make a sand crawler from different pieces of junk? All look the same. That's a silly question, but I like it. Clearly, you need to contact Dave Filoni and John Fabron pitch this idea because I would love to see that. I had an entire mini series or maybe some animated shorts completely based on Jawa culture. I would freaking love that. That's great. That would be fun. Thanks. That would be fun. We just got to get them to listen to the podcast for our great ideas. Absolutely. We're cooking up all these things. We know you listen to some of the big podcasts, but here's what the little people are saying. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. This is where the sparks people are. There you go. Yes. Yes. One of the things that came up for me in this episode, eight, you know, there is it the covert or the I always want to say culvert, but that's like a ditch, right? Wow. They're living in a ditch. Yeah. Culvert. Culvert. Culvert. That's awesome. In the culvert. I do want to live in the culvert. The culprit's living in the culvert. In a van held by the rear. Yes. By the way, is the cleanest sewer I ever been to see? I mean, they got vents leading up behind couches into someone's bar. Seriously, the best bar ever. I don't think this word means what you, what you think it means. I don't think sewer is the same. Yeah, so sewers would be cleaner in other places, but yeah, wouldn't think so. I was when the armor is talking to Mando, right? And she's kind of, as she's talking to him, making him his sigil. And she brings up, you know, that the child has powers that she's seen. That was a, well, I don't know. She's seen it, but she's heard about it right from the stories of the sorcerers named Jedi. I didn't like how quickly didn't turns, right? He's like, I'm helping an enemy and he's like ready to walk away from the child and the whole seven episodes hooked up to this point, or seven and a half, since we're about halfway through this episode. It's all about establishing this really close relationship in spite of everything denows, right? With this baby. And but he's like, boom, on a dime, ready to turn. I didn't like that. I didn't necessarily like it either, but I'm willing to give it to him because he's been raised within this sort of, for lack of a better term, cultish environment. Yeah. Agreed. She is the head of it. And therefore what she says goes and you listen to the armorer because she supplies you with munitions, she supplies you with armor. You give to her so that she can give to the rest of the covert. If she, again, if she speaks, you listen. Yeah. Yeah. But I still thought it was, and I'm totally down with that, that wasn't the thing that was bothering me, it was just, it just bothered me that he seemed to be willing to turn real fast. Go ahead. I'm willing to give it up for economy of plot. Well, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's, there were a couple of jarring moments. So I felt that was a jarring moment. And similarly, I didn't like when they were like, people were called, well, I caught those two speeder bike troopers and they were like, well, he just killed someone else today. So you got to wait now. And I was like, what? And they're like, oh, he just landed and he killed a whole platoon like that. To me, that didn't make sense and it didn't help us set up Moff Gideon as being any more menacing than he already was. Right. So similarly, I kind of agree with you that that was just kind of a weird, like kind of bump in the road in the story that didn't make much sense to have done John all this and like, well, duh, you know, yeah, yeah. So yeah, and I made it was, you know, we can chalk it up to them, just trying to find their footing. Yeah. Could be. Yeah. Maybe the editing went kind of crazy when they stayed up to late and they were like, whoops. Oh, that made it the final one. But yeah, I agree. There were a couple of moments in that where it broke the trajectory of Grogoo and Dinjarn's relationship in a sense that he would be easily right, you know, just like the kid. Oh, yeah. Evil now. So, or an enemy now. So yeah, I don't know if they were trying to set Dinjarn up as being kind of simple, you know, in his viewpoints where it's all like really crystal clear. There's no fuzziness in between his or something. I don't know. But I think I agree. It was just kind of like, well, that was quick. Mm hmm. And just see that you're slapping Dinjarn because that was pretty cute. Yeah. Super cute. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually forgotten that it was the armor that basically sets up season two, right? That Dinjarn has to return the child to the Jedi. Mm hmm. And I was like, oh, yeah, I kind of forgot about that. So you are, you are his daddy now and tell you, tell you, find his people. Yeah. She has spoken, just like, just like Quill, you know, she has spoken. Yeah. Mm hmm. And Amanda listens. Mm hmm. And she's such a badass. Oh, she is. She is. I just have to go back a moment because there are two IG 11 lines that I cannot go past. One to nurse and protect. And it was so protect and serve, reminisce, I just, I just love that. Yeah, we talk about living by a code, IG 11 also lives by a code. It's a very simple code, but Holy cow, he sticks to it. And then if you go near this child, I will have no choice but to kill you. You just met the guy and grief's like, I get it, I get it, I got it, I got it, I got it. Yeah, I got it. Love, well, IG 11 and the armor are the heroes of this. Yeah, but yeah, IG 11, love it, love it. So we've often talked when we've been doing this podcast about like the titles of the episodes. And I think that, you know, that one being called redemption, I mean, you could pick any one of them and have it be redemption. But I always kind of thought it was IG 11 that he was being redeemed like in Dingeran's eyes. Yeah. And I don't know if that's right or whatever, because I don't think there's much redeeming about Dingeran in this episode, like he's, that's not really, I don't feel like that's really him maybe, but how many of that, like who do you think the redemption is referring to? Oh, I, I like what you're saying, Nancy, about it maybe being multi-layered, you know, because grief kind of has a bit of redemption too. Yes. Yeah. So. I'm not Nancy as well that IG 11 was literally rebuilt from his original purpose and effectively sacrifices himself for everyone and he is, well, he, I say he, he is aware that what he's doing will allow everyone to survive from his own sacrifice and he was so insistent about blowing himself up the first time we met him last time he gets to do it, he gets his chance. Yeah. That's actually one of my favorite scenes, I'm going to self-destruct. No, don't, don't. It's like the next 10 minutes trying to get him not to do it and then like the very end is. Yeah. Another great example of the creators of Star Wars, amazing ability to anthropomorphize these droids to make you really like them a lot because I've been saying to Rebecca watching the acolyte that there's nobody in there that I'm connected to yet and even the droid. It's cute. I love the ability to immediately connect that thing really has a personality and, and you're sad, right? Yeah. He sacrifices himself. Mm-hmm. I don't want to get off in the weeds with acolyte but I'm having trouble with the acolyte and I think that's why there isn't anybody that I care about, the characters but there isn't anybody who I ultimately, I mean, I care about Kalnaka but you know, I think that's a good point, Tori, that like, that ability to make something which actually could hurt us in the long run. Oh my goodness. Can I go really huge metaphor a minute? Yeah. What if the fact that in these movies droids are as human as they possibly can see him while still not being human and not being alive, what if that affects our attitudes about AI as a, as a culture? Mm-hmm. Because what if we have false expectations about how AI is going to react, right? Or we're actually probably hundreds of years, you know, by between us and IG-11. Yeah. Sure. But I think, you know, Star Wars has had such a far-reaching impact on lots of aspects of technology, culture that I can see why we would have an unrealistic expectation of what AI could do simply because we saw Star Wars and we're like, why do you 11 save the baby or, you know, C3PO did this amazing thing or whatever, because we have no experience with AI in any other format other than, you know, the media, the television or movies or whatever. And so, you know, because we do really love the droids, like, you know, and in every movie they've been really smart, you know, George was smart, putting these characters that people are going to care about and just make them show up, you know, or the entire time I'm doing this. Mm-hmm. Sure. We, we must not forget the lessons of Battlestar Galactica. [laughter] Counterpoint. Yes. I'm like, we must have thought about that. Oh. That'd be great. All right. The old rung or the new one. Exactly. Oh, do you guys know our new one? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Because it did. It had that dog, right? Yeah. Muffet. Yeah. Muffet the Daggett. Yeah. Wow. Good recall. Yeah. I'm just sitting here going, Richard. Hey. Oh my God. I love him so much. [laughter] You'd crush on him. I'm like, yeah, me too. Yeah. It was never Starbucks. Oh, man. I was always Apollo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. I'll represent for the Y chromosome, say, Marin Jensen, Athena. That was mine. [laughter] But you don't have to have a Y chromosome to like a woman, right? That is absolutely true. Yeah. But I'm just chiming in for myself. [laughter] I always like Cassiopeia because I felt like she was sort of, you know, I got the short end all the time because everyone thought she was a prostitute. Yeah. So they were just shooting her kind of bad. But anyway, that's a completely different job. Yeah. But I agree, Rebecca, that like, that was probably the beginning of it. And actually, you probably could go back. That would actually be a super fun project, like to go back as far as we could in sci-fi movies and trace, like, how robotics and droids have been portrayed and how people respond to those. That would be an amazing project to do. Yeah. Got to get as them off, right? Yeah. And whatever the three tenants are, or whatever. I like your robotics. Yeah. And thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Going from Maria and Metropolis, through Robbie to Robot and Forbidden Planet, through Robot in Lost in Space, and so on and so forth. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. Okay. So back to another IG 11 line. Watch your feet. It's molten lava. Yes. We can see it flowing. But I love it because that's like just the end of another aspect of the nurse droid, right? Yeah. At least something your mom would say, right? Like, look, there's lava there. Be careful. Yeah. Public service announcement. Yeah. Yeah. How about this too? When the R2 unit that's piloting that boat stands up on bags. I'm like, no, no, that's just wrong. Right? World collapsing brain can't handle. Too tall, too tall, too tall. R2, six foot four. Oh, my gosh. I was just like, Oh, no, no, no, no. I was ready to hear him start seeing a Venetian song. You know. It was kind of singing to itself the entire time until. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay, I guess I'm moving now. Just needed the little hat and kerchief, you know, and we're on the canals of Venice. Yeah. On fire. On fire. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. There's something else. Oh, no, my next big thing is just about. Moff Gideon cutting his way out of the wreckage with the dark saber. Oh, that was great reveal. Yes. Yes. Yes. And, but I wrote down Moff Gideon's like a cat with nine lives. Oh, yeah. Which is good. Cause then he'll get to be in other things. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So rule, if you don't see the body, he's not really dead. That's right. Yeah. He cut his way out. I mean, a little, little note. Come on, baby. Do the magic hand thing. Oh, yeah. I know what body part you're talking about. Yeah, that was cute. Yeah. And you kind of wonder like, you know, like some shows they'll talk, talk about like what parts are improv and what parts are not. And you wonder if any of that, you know, is improv because it just was so perfectly timed and comedic. And then I've read a lot of stuff and seen interviews where the actors and actresses will say that, you know, it is actually so lifelike that they feel like it's another actor that they don't really view it as just a prop as an inanimate object. And so you wonder like if the, if the people who manipulate body parts of it, like were they doing that and then someone picked up on it and they decided to work it in to the storyline or if it was always part of it. Was that Henson's people doing a Grogu? I don't think it is. I know I would have to look up. I'm not sure. I don't think it is. Okay. There's actually an, I've just found an article from Pasadena Weekly about puppeteering Grogu. And it's apparently people who had no idea they were becoming part of entertainment history when they were building a character for for Star Wars. Yeah. They are puppeteers who they work for legacy effects in San Fernando. Huh. It also has the best title ever of any article I've ever seen, which is puppeteering Grogu is a complicated profession. Wow. Grogu is a complicated profession. Person who wrote that article is probably killing themselves. That's a thing of beauty. Yeah. That's funny. Beautiful wrap up here at the end, I thought, just, just really good season ending and the burial of Quill and take care of this little one, or maybe it will take care of you. And yeah, Grogu and Mando hitting the road. And you know what, don't give the baby the sharp metal object. You hold on to this. Are you kidding? You serious kid, put everything in its mouth. Yeah. Mando, he still has so much to learn. Yes. Parenting is the least of the things he has to learn, I feel like. Yes. Yeah. And I think, you know, as the seasons move forward, I think that they use those moments to kind of relieve some tension, move their relationship along. But, oh boy, I don't have human children, but he is so naive. I don't need to have children to know that you don't give the baby. That sharp metal object. Don't leave the baby alone in the room that pilots the ship. Yes. It seems like a bad plan. Yeah. All true. Yeah. I just think, you know, they really kind of left, they left us at a good place, right? It's a good set up for season two. You've got some good, strong characters, not just Mando and the baby, but you've got Cara Doon, you've got grief, Cara. Of course, we don't know that Amy Sedaris's character is going to be coming back, but yay. Even so, you know, it's a good little cast to move the story forward. And of course, we know they're going to be looking for Jedi. So, yeah, and so it definitely sets all that up and sets up, I think, branching side stories, right? So, I mean, no spoilers for season two, but characters who then become important in other aspects of that storyline. And I've always wondered, I've read about some people who write shows. I think, well, they'll have like a Bible, like they already know what's going to happen, like several seasons down the road, whereas other shows just seem to be making an episode go along. Yeah. So, they've lost like how much, you know, what does Polonium have rode do? Do they have like a big overarching story plot line, right? They just kind of play it, you know, as they see it, or do they have like an outline and they fill it in later? I'd be curious about their process. Yeah. And it's got to be so difficult to make sure it makes sense in light of the other canon, right? And the other shows and movies that have come out. And so that doesn't seem like it's just this thing on its own. Yeah. I think they've done brilliantly with that. Mm-hmm. I think I've read that Filoni is supposed to be like an encyclopedia, like he's supposed to have heard that. Star Wars, he has experienced it, read it, played it, you know, whatever, and for all of the stuff that's supposed to be canon and some, it's not, you know, whatever all those weird gradations are, which I think makes him just amazing to remember all of that. Mm-hmm. And even things like, so like the scene where they pull a bunch of troopers in on that big transport thing, like to remember that that was never canon, that was a Kenner toy. And they put that in there, you know, like, awesome. Most of us wouldn't know that unless, you know, like you read it or whatever. So how does he hold all that information in his head at the same time? Yeah. My answer is that he grew up with it same as we did. You know, these are things that they've held, these are toys that they've held in their hands or they've seen on commercials and it is, it just, you know, notched a little place in the brain and the memory and now that he's, you know, he's got the power to do something about it. It's like, yeah, we're going to throw that in there. Yeah. We're going to answer this question. We're going to answer that question. We're going to fill in the lore, the questions that people have had and these are discussions that we've had in previous episodes so that there are generations and they're answering the questions that we had asked since we've been children. Mm-hmm. Love it. So much of parts of this show, especially when they're little Easter eggs or things. So it just talks to the 10-year-old that's still inside. Mm-hmm. Love that. And I've always really liked, I've liked Faloni's storytelling style. Mm-hmm. Maybe not for everybody but I've always really liked and appreciated that he recognizes the fandom for what it is and that, you know, that what he's doing is speaking to the fandom. Mm-hmm. I mean, when we were at Galaxy's Edge last year, I mean, Mando just had to, Mando and Grogu just had to appear and like suddenly thousands of people were just like full, you know, just like instantaneously drawn characters and yeah, you know, that's whether, you know, people poo poo sci-fi is not being very high storytelling. Oh geez. Yeah. Fulls. Yeah. They don't know what the hell they're talking about. They've never read any good sci-fi if that's what they think. Right, right. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. When the season ended, did anybody have like thoughts where it might go or hopes where the next season would go? Well, I didn't see the first season when it first came out. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry I forgot that. Yeah. Yeah, because I, it was a reaction video, a compilation of people reacting to the last episode of season two and I'd heard about the Mandalorian of course. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't want to get the Disney subscription frankly. Yeah. And then I, I saw that reaction video and I'm like, I got to get the Disney, but I got to watch this. Dang it. So I got to watch season one and season two back to back. Mm hmm. Okay. Okay. So yeah. So you didn't have. Right. And, and then I already knew where it was going to end because you have YouTube, but. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, yeah, I don't think I did. I think I just wanted it to go on. The Razorcrest doing fun things and I can't remember why we did see it in like chronological, like when it first came out. Oh, yeah. Watch it in. And I don't think we were spoiled about anything. Nice. Yeah. That's, that is nice. Yeah. And Tori, had you already watched it when we watched it together? Because that was before I had my Disney Plus membership. Yes. Okay. And so. And then I made you. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Because I need to talk about it with somebody. Yeah. Yeah. No, I understand. I was, I was willing to. Hey, you give me the material in front of me. I'm ready to go. Now I, now I do have my own membership as well. But then I, and that's why I'm kind of behind on some to is for a while. I only watched you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I've got, I've got some gaps to fill. Anybody have other thoughts? Yes. There is one shot that we didn't talk about. And that is during the flashback to Din Jaren becoming a found light in episode. Right. Yeah. When he's picked up by the death watch Mandalorian, yeah, is carried away via jetpack. We see a shot of him looking over the Mandalorian shoulder into the ground, the distance. And that shot is mirrored at the end of episode eight when Din Jaren has Grogu over his shoulder and Grogu is looking back towards the ground. Oh, thank you for that connection. I know it's coming right to me as you were describing that. Oh my gosh. It is an absolute carbon copy. It's amazing. Hmm. Wow. I didn't catch that. But wow. Now that you're saying it, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I had to laugh at myself when the armor was making the signet. And I was like, oh, it's the little mudstomper beast. And then I'm like, that's not right. I had stopped myself and it took me an entire day to remember it was a mud horn. And then it hit me that mudstomper is actually the screen name of a woman that I work with. Oh, no. Oh my gosh. Completely unrelated. Completely unrelated. Oh my gosh. I was like, what's she talking about mudstomper? And then something in the back of my mind was like, I've heard that term before and yeah. Now I know exactly who you're talking about. Yep. Yep. And now your brain will never unsee that. I know. No, I'm like, I mean, I even had mudstomper written in my notes and I'm like, that's not wrong. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, it's kind of like song lyrics, right? You just make up the song lyrics that however you think you're hearing them. Right. Sure. I'm really off into the weed. Sorry. It's all right. No worries. That's the fun part. Yes. Well, season two, yep, for it. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yay. Love it. Thank you so much for asking us. This is so much fun. It is quite a, quite a fun thing to do. Yeah. Love it. Yes. Thank you. We are too. Thanks for asking us. It's an honor. We love it. It's so fun. I love hearing everybody's perspectives and what everybody thinks about and talks about. That's so much fun. Well, if nobody has anything else, then I guess all we have to do is say goodbye. Thanks for listening, everybody. Thank you, everyone. Allowing in the shallows is created and produced by the both of us, edited by Mo. Shout out to our special guests, Nancy and Jeff Teteric. 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