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BWR Roundtable Discussion: Soap Cruise and More!

This Friday at 10 PM EST, BuzzWorthy Radio will be talking about behind-the-scenes stories of Soap Cruise 2009. Trust me, what I have heard/seen, it is better than what Dena Higley could EVER pen...hell, even Kreizman and Passanante can take lessons!

Also, we will be starting our "Best Week Ever," if you will, where we will be discussing the biggest news of the week! Martha Byrne to B&B, J&M's snooze-worthy good-bye, plus much more!

I will be sending PMs to people to participate, if they wish, but I do encourage others to call in with their opinions on the subjects at hand!

Look forward to this special BWR presentation Friday, January 30, 2009 at 10 PM EST!

Duration:: 2h 10m
Broadcast on:: 31 Jan 2009
Audio Format:: other

Lock told the radio. This is Kevin Rudolph, you're listening to BuzzworthyRadio.net, check out my single Let It Rock and check out my album in the city and stores now. Well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to a brand new edition of Buzzworthy Radio. I am your host, Novell Jaylee, coming to you live, the 10k in Eastern Times, 7p in Pacific here on Blog Talk Radio.com. Why am I talking like this? Well, I'm sick, so I have a very deep voice, and that's all I can tell you. Anyway, I'm pretty sure you all are aware of what's going down tonight. I'm going to be letting you live vicariously through me. And by that, I mean, you're going to live vicariously through me about what happened on the cruise last week, and then some other things I'm going to be getting into that, let's just say, well, I think it's pretty, but some might not. But let's just get right down to it, shall we? Let's get right down to the business at hand first. I mean, did you hear that ugly Betty is now being banged for these two, wait a minute. This is the wrong program. I'm not supposed to be talking about problems. I'm not supposed to be talking about so. Well, let me first start off by saying, are so really that interesting that I need to be spending a whole entire hour talking about? I mean, we all know that daytime is dying. Why should I be wasting my time talking about so far? Now, I want to basically say that that statement right there was just to prove a point, and it goes hand in hand with what goes on with the soap crews as well as anything else. I'm talking about so because we've got to stick together kind of thing. That's basically what I'm saying, but what happened on the soap crews, that opinion does not fly anymore with what goes on behind the scenes. But before I get into that, I just want to start off by saying, how happy is everybody that Martha Byrne is back on soap? I mean, she may not be acting, but at least she is writing. She is doing something. She now needs to be where she needs to be. And let me tell you what, Martha Byrne, if you're listening to this show right now, as the world turns can right now kiss your little white ass. You are so better than them. You don't need as the world turns. I would love to have you back on as well because you need to give that show a major upheaval because it's right now down in the dumps. You worked with the greatest head writer there was, Doug Marlin. There are things you can show as a world turns that Jean Passenautte can't even snort when she takes the weed. You can do so much better for that show. It is uncanny. So it as the world turns gave you the opportunity to come back on the show and write for them. You can tell them to fuck themselves. You don't need as the world turns. You're better than as the world turns. I wouldn't look and get towards the mouth as far as that show's concerned. So you do what you need to do. And I'm glad you're on B&B. B&B is slightly improving. I am so happy that you are writing for that show. I support you. I can't wait to see what you can do with it. And if they love your work and I know they will, I hope they keep you there longer than you need to. So, Martha, I implore you to do the best that you can. I just wanted to start off by saying that. I really did. I wanted to start off by saying, Martha, you rock. So that was my two cents. And I'm getting the callers right now. Oh my gosh. They're already ready to listen in on the bitch rant. So let's see. I have a caller here. Caller. Are you there with us? I have no idea what you're asking someone from. Hey, how are you? I'm doing fine. Is this Novell? Yes, it is. Okay. Well, Novell, this is Gregor Zick from Daytime Royalty. Well, how are you doing, sir? I am doing fine. I just saw the, you know, the, shall we say, bitch fast over at the side over, you know, Nelson Bronco's latest column. And having grown up in- Yeah, I'm going to be saying my two cents about that. But go ahead. You know, let me throw my two cents in as somebody, you know, who's had family members work in soap journalism. Yes. If anybody was surprised by what he wrote, they obviously have not been reading some of the blind items for years. You know, I mean, the fact that, you know, Gee and Drake may not like each other. I mean, I was talking to a friend who's very familiar with the soap scene, you know, and its origins here in Cincinnati. And, you know, we were just like, what took everybody's, what took the press along to figure this out and report on it? Well, I read the article today, the column today, actually. And because I was anticipating what he had to say about being Drake and their exit and everything, it didn't surprise me in the least. Yeah, I mean, it's like, where's everybody been for the past 15, 16 years? Apparently their heads were in the toilet. They dropped themselves out. They think that, oh, listen, I want you to listen to me right now. And please come in closer, because I don't think that you will be able to hear me even when I am speaking this loud. So please come in closer, come in closer, come in closer. Yeah, fine. That's good. Right there. Stay right there. Now, okay, listen to this phrase very carefully that I'm about to tell all you fans out there. All the fans, I love you. You make this show, what it is, if you didn't listen to the show all the time, I would not be here. But I have to tell you, you day fans are freaking bitches. You are crazy bitches that need to get their heads out of your freaking ass. Listen and read what Nelson has been telling you for months. And yes, Alvin, he may have wrote that to get the days fan base up and rally. But they're going to get up and rally anyway, no matter what Nelson writes. He didn't interview with Jay Kenneth Johnson. Look, that may not have been a best word, but the days fans pretty much sniffed that up as if it was the best thing since sliced bread. These are bitches. No, I mean, it's just like, I'm sorry, like I said, I grew up in Cincinnati around the PNG soap scene. You know, I can remember being 10 years old and hearing about all the cast fights amongst the another world crew back in the late 60s. I just feel like, you know, anybody who is shocked or surprised by this, you know, or anybody who was shocked or surprised about what he wrote about Susan Lucci being a pain in the butt over her salary. Oh, let me tell you about this. Let me tell you about this. This goes in with what happened behind the scenes on the soap crews, okay? I'm glad you brought that up because I didn't want to mention this. And everyone knows how even advocate I had been a Susan Lucci, okay? Right. Now that Nelson put this in his column, I so want to talk about this now. So want to talk about this because this is so delicious. Even I would salivate. Now, I'm not sure that you are aware of this, but you know that Jacob Young is in contract negotiations now. He plays the role of... Okay, yeah, and I heard that there might be, and I've heard some rumors that they're trying to get him back at B and B. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Possibly. Yeah, let's feel those rumors too. Now, he's in contract negotiations. He has to take a 70% pay cut. 70%. For them to resign him. For him to resign, yes. He has to take a 70% pay cut, not 17. The number that comes after 69. 70. 70% pay cut. For a show that may not be around for like what? Another five years? I know. That just shows right there, and all my children was probably indeed going to get canceled. He has to take a 70% pay cut. Oh, I think right. My personal opinion, the three shows that are on the chopping block are guiding light AMC and Days. Mm-hmm. You know, I don't see how days can grow an audience if they keep focusing on like say, you know, "Jarlena" or "Bope." You know, they've got to put some new blood in that show, but I don't think the current fans will stand for it. I think you know, I think G.L. can promote, you know, Grand Alexander, you know, he, you know, "Hey, the ratings weren't there when he was there. Why did they think the ratings are going to come when he comes back?" And this is coming from somebody who is a fan of Mr. Alexander's. Well, here's the thing I feel about this. I think they're just bringing them back because they just months are saying, "Bob, I do the longest running daytime soap opera. They want to be another world." Right. How it ended. Yeah. I, you know, I think, you know, at this point, you know, you know, cancel guiding light. It's not going to be what it was in its glory days. And for those of us who are old enough to remember the glory days of Agnes, Erna, and the Soderbergs, you know, this show has been down the toilet, you know, for 15 years. I mean, it, it, it essentially died when they killed off the character of Maureen Bauer. Oh, absolutely. You know, um, you know, my only fear about that is once guiding light gets canceled, they'll try and send those geniuses like Wheeler and Casman over to, as the world turns to screw it up even more than Gottman and Passonotti already have. Uh, please, please. I don't even want to be thinking about that right now, but it's so true that that's most likely going to wind up happening. They recycle, they recycle writers more than I recycle my garbage. [laughter] Yep. You know, they're hitting. Oh, I know. I mean, how many writers do they have right now? What? Four or five? Headwriters? I mean, I've lost count. I think so. I mean, I don't pay attention enough as it is to really care. [laughter] Right. No, but I just feel like right now, you know, if Passions couldn't make it, if Port Charles couldn't make it, some of the, you know, I mean, I was a big fan of both days and all my children back in the day, but neither of these shows are anywhere close to what they were originally, and the time has come to cut some losses. I mean, like Erna Phillips always said, regardless of ratings, if your show gets to the point where it lacks believability and logic, it's time for it to go. And that's coming from the mother of all soap opera. Right, exactly. You know, if Erna were alive today, Guiding Light would have been gone 10 years ago. No doubt in my mind. Really? You think so? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I think, no, but it's just like to me, Guiding Light is never going to be a viable show again. Well, you know, I'll be sad when it's canceled, but I think the time has come, you know, the poor dead horse needs to be shot and put out of its misery. I agree with that. I agree with that now more so than anything else. I mean, I have to say that they should just put it out of its misery by going out and putting on the best show in their lives right now, because honestly, I don't see a surviving past April. Right. The very first thing I expect to hear is that Guiding Light will not be renewed into next year. The contract rule comes up in April. I expect the first thing to wake up to going, "I'm sorry, but we're going to have to take any light off of life support." Yeah, I mean, come on. I mean, its ratings right now are just as low as passions or poor Charles ever, ever were. There's no reason, you know, you can't justify the airtime. You can't. You know. It doesn't help also that it's not on in every market. Right. It's not on in every market. It's not on at the same time in the markets that it is on. You know, what is it? New York shows it at what? 9 in the morning? New York shows it at 9 in the morning where I live at New Jersey. It comes on at 10 in the morning. Right. Yeah. Right. Well, here in Cincinnati, it comes on at 3 p.m. You know, it's regular time slot. Right. Right. But, you know, it loses to like, you know, Dr. Phil all the time in local ratings. Mm-hmm. You know, and if P&G can't even bring, you know, the ratings home in their home market, you know, I don't see why they bother. Honestly, I don't think that they can even promote got it, like, correctly. If you've seen the promotions that they did for Philip Happens here. Oh, I haven't seen them but, oh, God, have I heard about it? I can't remember the kind of motion of that. Yeah, I hear they're absolutely awful. You know, like I said, I mean, I love GL days and all my children back in the day. I thought, you know, they were all very innovative, groundbreaking programs. But all three of these shows, I mean, it's like soap, historian Wesley Hyatt who wrote the Encyclopedia of Daytime Television said about days. The show has been a laughing stock since the possession storyline. They're just realizing this, right? They know this then? Yeah. Yeah, you just figured that out, guys? Wow. Yeah. So, yeah, I, you know, I'm ready for some cancellations. Yes, I'm going to be depressed because I have great memories of days and GL of guiding light and all my children. But, you know, all good, all things must come to an end and I think the end is here. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, because I can't see how you save any of those three shows. You can't, especially now. There's no way. I mean, I just read just now, which I didn't know that they're planning on making a new hospital set for GH. Well, the thing is, the problem with GH is the problem that was with all the medical soaps. There's, you know, you take it out of the hospital setting and you don't, you know, and it has no room to grow outside the hospital setting. I mean, that's what eventually did the doctors in. That's eventually what did the nurse, you know, the prime time soap the nurses in, you know. The concept, you know, I think GH has kind of outlived its, you know, you know, its place. Excuse me. You know, I mean, how much, you know, there's only so much you could do with the hospital setting. Well, taking it outside and doing all this, you know, sopranos like crap that they've done for the past. What, ten years? The turn off. Yeah, it's the turn off. Novelty wore it off. Yeah, the novelties worn off, you know, Maurice Bernard is overexposed. They've gone through how many actresses now playing Carly and, you know, and it's like none of them were believable as being Jackie Zeeman's daughter. You know, only Sarah Brown, I have to say, only Sarah Brown. Okay, I'll give you Sarah, but none of the other ones, especially Janie Bransford, talk about Miss Casting. Let's not go there. Friend of AFP, you are, I'm sorry, not the best thing to say. And speaking of not the best thing, we were talking earlier for those of you who were just coming in the chat room about Miss La Lucci herself. And how, my God, one thing that was not mentioned, which I should have mentioned alongside the Jacob Young thing. Now, we all had read that she's basically going on a bitch fit, apparently. I mean, that's just what it seems like. I mean, she's meeting a new bitch right now. Well, how about this? Let's put this on for size. Here is the next piece of dirt I found out on the boat. Miss Susan Lucci now wants to get David Canary's fighter off of all my children. She wants him fired. I'm sorry, Susan, you may be the best thing on all my children because you are all my children, but you are in no way shape or form. David Canary. David acts circles around you. She makes you look good. He makes you look good. That's why when you two are in these together, I love it because you two shine because he brings up the best in you. This is my comment on that, if I may. One of the problems I think all my children has is it doesn't know when it to cut its losses with its villains. Matter of fact, I think a lot of so say of that problem. Stefano should have been gone 10 years ago from days. Adam and Palmer should have been gone from all my children. Oh, what, early 90s? You know, the idea of these people constantly getting away with this stuff and never get caught or never having any repercussions, it's not believable. You know, they, you know, the writers jump through hoops getting these characters out of all these, you know, like situations, you know, because they're, you know, and for every fan who likes seeing a Stefano or like seeing an Adam, there's another fan who's turning it off because they're saying like, yeah, right. Right. Exactly. Well, it was, it was made obvious because everybody wants to know why it's usually one in fire. Well, it was made obvious that in a, in the says report at one time, there was a blind item about which, which New York actor is starting to not remember lines and David Canary is the guy. And he started to not remember some lines. They initially, all my children wanted to kill off the character of Adam and make Stuart recurring. That's the rumor that circulating right now. They wanted to kill off Adam and make Stuart recurring. And, and it seems like Susan wants him off so that way she didn't have to take a second pay cut, which she didn't know about until now. Oh, lovely. She had to take another pay cut. She did not know that they were going to have her take a second pay cut. Now, she does, especially if she reads this latest says report that she's going to have to take another pay cut. She's not going to like this at all. You know what, I'm just chewing up the scenery. I'm chewing up the basically because I love it. Love it. Well, I'm saying, thank you for letting me contribute here, but I think I should get off the line and let some of your other listeners join in on this. All right. Thank you so much. Talk to you later, Neval. Bye. Take care. See, if any of you are on this boat and you're hanging out and just hearing Jacob Young say this, it was beautiful. And I know a lot of you were staying here, especially out of it, for him not to come back to the boulder to beautiful. I actually liked him as Rick. Don't get me wrong. He may not have a good material, back then, but the bells love him. And this is just the rumor that is circulating. This is just the rumor that is circulating. And that he would like, if Brad Bell offered him a deal, he would put on the table for him to come back to B&B as Rick with the same amount of money that he's making now before he has to take this 70% haircut. He would take it. I'm not one of the biggest Colorado supporters, but he's doing a good job now, but I would give anything to see Jacob Young back on the boat. Can you imagine his themes with Susan Vlery? I mean, just think. Can you imagine seeing him act opposite Susan Vlery? That would be huge, huge, huge. Now, I know some of you are pretty much are skeptical about the day's conversation about to make. I already told you to get your heads out of your asses. You don't know what else I'm probably saying in my head. I'm probably going to say right now. But that's only because I did not see John and Marlena's last day as you were aware of, I was away when it was aired. And I heard it was the worst 20 minutes of my life. The worst 20 minutes ever. So I have asked him if he didn't watch it, obviously. I didn't watch it. But from what I heard about how they were sent off, it was complete and utter garbage. The people who did those soap scripts that all the actors act on stage, they could write better than being a higgly. What is higgly spoken and that you are so upset that these people are gone. You're upset that John and Marlena are gone, but you're still going to watch. Yes, that is hypocritical of me to say, because I said that daytime now has to stick together. But yes, you are so limited that they're gone. You're still going to watch. If you really want to get these people's attention, the quote I just heard from Nelson and Jamie, you get in from daytime confidential, vote by remote. Watch something else. Watch something else. There's pretty much lots of things on TV that you can do or watch better that's going to be on at 1 p.m. eastern time, which is what time of the year when it comes on here. You can watch something so much better than that. I mean, all you did was just basically have them come in a theme for 20 minutes and then cast them off the thigh like they were yesterday's garbage. Ken Curday, I know you don't like these two characters, but oh my God, you could have done so much better. The fans deserved better. They deserve so much better than them than having to put up with that mess for how many years now. And he's still in that seat. He's still in that seat. What is it going to take for Ken Curday and Nina Higley to get out of those positions? Who do I have to have sex with to get them off that show? I mean, seriously, who do I have to knock up and get impregnated to get them off the show? Yeah, and speaking of which, now that Ali Sweeney is off of the show, who's going to write the script? Ali Sweeney could probably do a much better job of sending John and Marlena off to Nina Higley. Just say. Just say. But they deserve so much better than what we were getting. So much better. They had to endure John and Kate. They had to endure Marlena being a Salem serial killer. They had to endure Marlena. Oh, my God. I have a headache, ladies and gentlemen. Hey! Just thinking about it. Headache. What else can I possibly say about this show? It's an utter train wreck. And I must say, and I have to be honest, in days that our lives wasn't in the funk that it's in right now, what will we have to talk about? I mean, seriously, I want you to think about this. In days is not the crap that it is and what happened behind the scenes within the past year. What will we have to talk about? I mean, we pretty much sat here verbatim all night when all the news was breaking out about how base fire, all the right, all the riders, it fired all the riders. It's still getting attention. It's still being watched. Why are you watching this crap? Why are you putting out time ever to watch this rubbish that is days of our lives right now? What year do I think days have died? That's a good question. That's a very good question. I don't know what year days have died in my own opinion. I think it officially died after the possession story. Yes, I agree. It died after the possession story. It really didn't. But it's a god awful mess. You can't cannot see that. You are supportive of days. I will give you that. You are supportive of days, but your supportive of is in the wrong way. I think this is a time where you don't need to watch days so they can get the hint. You don't want John Marlena gone. You watched on a flat day. Good. Now don't watch after that. And now that the news that Teo pegless has been fired. Teo is a good actor. He deserves better than days. He does. I can imagine him being on another show. I really do. He can end up with YNR. Absolutely. Teo, you should go to YNR. It's the best soap that's going on here right now. What of the best? I can imagine you go on YNR right now acting opposite Eric Braden. You can get Eric Braden a month for his money. The only good thing that you are going on right now is Nicole. Ariane Zuker is the best thing that you got. You better use her to the best of her abilities. If you can't her, I seriously will be going on another bit about you guys. Because then that will be the second, if not the 10 million stupid thing that you have ever done. Let's take this caller. I believe this is Jamie on the line. Honeymoon. How are you? I'm five. You are very hesitant. You are very hesitant when I answer. Oh my God. What's going on? I'm just listening to you and I'm just sitting here going, what the hell? I don't. All right. You can say. What are they doing? Are they doing our day for life? I mean, okay, yeah. John and Marlene are going with one thing and everything like that. First of all, I do agree. The show died. Marlene is all possessed by demons and John, the priest at the time, was one. Oh my God, John the priest. I mean, I forgot about that. Are you shooting me? What are you doing? But ever since then, it's gotten worse. So I mean, what? So what was the last thing before John? This one was, he was a robot. Yeah, I had no memory. His memories were erased on this little disk that Stephanie suddenly had. I don't know. The whole industry is kind of like really sad right now and days of our lives is definitely on the chopping block and it kind of, all this industry craft has been going on since last year. The writers, Jake and a Johnson, they fired a tail again. Again. Why does he keep coming back? It's like you said, the economy. We need the money. I agree. We need the money. I was actually talking to Joanne right before the show starts. Right now, it's all about the money. I agree with her. It's all about the money. It is all about the money. You know, and then you feel like, well, I have no choice. Yeah, I need the work. I need the work. I'm still glad I got it over Susan. I mean, God, she comes off as this most humble person. I guess that's just, you know, the sheep love clothing or love and peace clothing. Money is the root of all evil. It's going to bring the worst in a lot of people. I mean, really. It does, apparently. I mean, because I wasn't in Justin so far from weekly and she's all like, well, you know, I have to take a taste. I'll take a taste. I'll be okay with it because everybody's going to do it because we have to, you know, do what's right for the economy and blah, blah, blah, blah. But she wants to fire. Get someone else fired. I just found out too that her and Julia Bard never got along behind the scenes. Really? Yeah. I guess there is a lot of cats. Susan Lucci is one of those people that if she doesn't like you, she will tell you. I mean, hello. Susan and Sarah Michelle Gueller. Anyone? Yeah. Yeah. She's old. She did not like Sarah. Nope. It just made it worse when Sarah won that Emmy after being here for two years. One year. Yeah. Exactly. You wonder why Sarah decided to leave? Mmm. Mmm. And look where Sarah is now. Uh huh. Little behind the scenes trivia. Did you know that Susan did not want the character of Kendall to come back? Seriously? Mmm-hmm. It would say when Alicia Minshew did her TV guide interview, excuse me, Alicia Minshew did a TV guide article when she first was brought on to play the role of Kendall. And that's where she did it in the TV guide article about Susan and Sarah. Well, it turns out that Susan did not want the character of Kendall to return in 2001 at all. Wow. It wasn't until she liked Alicia Minshew. She accepted the character of Kendall and loves Liz and the character of Kendall. Why do you think Kendall and Erica get along now? I'm dead serious. I believe you. That is terrible. Okay. Susan, Liz, she's just, wow. That just really puts in the perspective, talks about a diva. I mean, you know, yeah, I know you are the center of all my children, but you know what, honey? You can be replaced just like anybody else. That has well been proven. That has been proven in this daytime economy. You can be replaced. Yeah. I mean, you know, you better not think you're hot stuff. The next thing you know, Erica is going to be on a one-way ticket out of there. They got rid of Martha Byrne, who was the epitome of April turns. I'm just saying. Hey, wait. They got rid of Martha. They got rid of Scott. Hey, they got rid of Theo one day. That's true. That's true. You know, your job is defensible. You can definitely go away. That would be nice, exactly. Now, I know everybody wants to hear about the soap cruise dish. I was starting some of it, and I know a lot of them wanted to continue. They had a lot of blind items. Nothing had a lot of blind items, too, from the phone. And this just stuck out in my mind. Everyone wanted to know how the cruise was. I told them I had a good time hanging out with everybody. Everybody knew who I was as far as the stars were concerned. They all knew me. And so I had a good time for that, of course. Now let's get to the part of the event. How redundant can we get? I like meet and greet as much as the next one. But meet and greet started getting tiresome. How many meet and greet can you have to basically see everybody? I mean, I'm a pick whore. I mean, obviously you saw my pictures. I have a picture whore, but my God. Geez. I'm going to do say have. How many? Four or five. Four or five meet and greet? Yeah. Who knew that many meet and greet? See, see, this is why I shouldn't have rants often. It just makes my heart burn. It really does. It really gives me heart burn, but you know what? It's so much fun. But anyway. I'm anticipating the rock the soap event in March. I really am. I really am anticipating the March cruise. There's just so many events to do in so much time. Like everybody is doing something. Right. That's why I love about this March cruise. Everybody is doing something. And everybody, I know you want a new event. I haven't heard anything about a new event yet. Yet. But we may get one. Yeah. That would be cool. But speaking of how to return. Yes, dear. I wanted you to talk about the Michael thing. You know. The Michael Park thing. Yeah. About why I was upset. Yeah. Um. Let's just say. You have to read Nelson Broncos. As well. Turn. Article. Okay. I'll check that out. Just read his column. It'll. It'll shed some light on the subject. That's all I'll say. That's all I'll say. That's my blind item. That's mine. That's. That's. Read Nelson Broncos latest reports. It'll explain. It'll sort of open your eyes a little bit. But. The last day of this cruise. How utterly unprofessional can one get? You're going to go up on stage and you're going to talk trash about rock the soap. You're not affiliated with them. Yes. But you're going to talk trash about this other cruise. You're going to tell people not to go and just go on your own. I understand that's the nature of the business. But. Yes. I'm dead serious. They're going to go up stage. The guy who put this cruise together. Goes up on stage. Mike. I know you get your shit done. But you did not have to go out like that. Come on. You could have done a little bit better. But. Oh wow. That's kind of tacky. You're going to go up on stage and just basically just talk smack about this cruise. They don't do well in West Coast events. This is not going to be the shit that it is. And that don't expect all these people that's on the rock the soap to be going. Okay. Rock the soap got more publicity than you did. I mean it's advertised on soap net. It's advertised in magazines. It's advertised everywhere online. Yes. And like Barbara just said in the chat room. How can you bash something that hasn't happened yet? You can't. This is when it's bashing something that you haven't communicated for yourself. It's like how do you do that? It doesn't make any sense. It's very unprofessional. All right. We got two callers on the line. Joanne was first and I know Tom is here. So Tom is going to get to you right after Joanne. Let's bring Joanne on the line right now. How are you here? Hey. How are you there? Hi. Hi. So you can't find on the radio. You don't sound like you got, well it's not up your nose. A little bit. Yeah. Oh, fine. Okay, good. I was like worried about that a little bit. No. No, you sound all right. That's what you were saying about this dude, bash and the cruise. Bob is absolutely right. You just can't bear something that didn't happen. And I don't know Michael Gold. I don't know about his cruise or why or whatever his motives were for putting it on. But I said to Navell at an earlier conversation. It's all about the bottom dollar with him. He could give a rat to ask if any of those soap actors ever act again. If any of them go on another cruise again because the next pretty face that comes along. That's in daytime and he feels he can secure him to make some money on a cruise ship. That's who he'll end up getting. That's why Cameron Matheson was being, that's why Cameron Matheson, I believe in my opinion, was the headline originally because at the time he was on Dancing with the Stars. He was a popular, you know, gorgeous face and he was probably put there to sell tickets. And I'm sure no daddily he did. But you know what Dancing with the Stars is over and it's time to move on. And from what I understand from various people, this guy made enemies of quite a few people. You know, by bashing not just Bob Guinea's cruise. And let me elaborate on that real quick. I shouldn't even have said it like that because it's not Bob Guinea's cruise. And I want everybody to understand that. Bob Guinea is not funding. He's not throwing. It has absolutely nothing to do with him other than the fact that he is the host. That's it. We loveable Bob Guinea is the host. That's it. It's being sponsored by SoapNet. It's being run by ABC. This is their extension of Soap Nation, which is taking the place of Super Soap Weekend. So it has nothing to do with Bob because I really hear a lot of people talking about Bob and I'm really, really starting to get pissed off of that. It's really, really long. Because Bob is like one of the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life. And you know what? Honestly, I think I would smack somebody for talking about him. I haven't smacked somebody physically since I was in high school, but I'll smack somebody. Talking about Bob because I'm really tired of it. It ain't his damn cruise. He's a host. And he's trying to make it work for all the fans. Of course he has a vested interest in it. His wife is in daytime. Yeah. He may not be on all my children anymore, but you know what? All those people that are going on that cruise are his friends. So of course he has something vested. He wants to make sure his friends have jobs. Right, exactly. He's 20 of his friends. I mean, come on. And they're not even just that. After all these years of Bob hosting Super Soap Weekend, he's become somewhat of a little soap icon himself. It's like where you see soap, you associate Bob Guinea with it. Not just because of Rebecca, but because of him. Not for any other reason. If anybody's been to Super Soap Weekend, they know Bob does the whole thing. He does all these shows, and he's very charismatic, and funny, and he's gracious with the fans. So he barbed that it's my cruise, damn it. Yeah. Oh my god. I like it a lot. I like it a lot, Bob. But you know, it's just like me Bob loans for crying out loud, because I swear to God, I'll have to bitch slap somebody. Next one that says something bad about my Bob. Simple as that. I mean, even his friends, he definitely connected with fans. You know, soap fans. And he wants to make sure he was devastated when they canceled Super Soap Weekend. He was, you know, and he just seriously wants to make sure that, I mean, make sure that everyone has what they want. Get their meet and greets with their fans, but he's not just doing meet and greets. Everywhere a person on that cruise is doing something. I mean, everybody is doing something. There's not one person on that cruise that is not going to be doing something. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So it's just like, seriously. It's like more to the story too with that whole thing. Like, I told Joanna on a side conversation. I said that the star's been there when he said this on stage. I'm like, and Brad was like standing up there. I was like, oh my god. Say something. Yeah. Say something. Say something. No one did. Oh, you know what? Seriously. What are they going to say? Damn, I guarantee you that they're being paid to be there. They're not going to say anything. What are they going to say? I mean, the only thing they can do is talk about it after the fact, you know, amongst each other. They're not going to so-called bite the hand that feeds you. You know what I mean? They're not going to do that. You know, Bradford is way too nice of a guy to sit there and say, hey, stop talking about blah blah blah. He ain't going to do that. He's not. And you have somebody doing in the chat room, she's saying, when I asked her interviews, they'd tell me, I have to do Q&As instead of phone interviews. What does that mean? Well, yeah, she meant from the cruise because Donald actually works for, she works for Subtown USA and they do print and then audio. Mitch had sent me an email in regards to that, that they prefer, whether it's like a print website. They prefer to be in print. Oh, okay. With us, since we do, we have the podcast, that's why we have the audio. It's basically, that's what it boils down to. Right. They did that with us at Super Soap Weekend. That's, you know, truthfully, that's how they had everybody broken up. The print press was stationed at a different location on the red carpet where the audio people were stationed at another people. The audio people were assigned handlers, if you will. We had Disney people, so we had our own escorts for the duration of the weekends. So we had somebody that took it from place to place because you need someone, when you're doing audio, you need someone there to make sure, like, I guess you're not, you know, copes and somebody to say something or whatever. They want to make sure that you're doing the right thing. Whereas in print, you know, they just let them go with their own free will. I mean, I don't understand why they did that because I think you can do the same in both print and audio, you know, make somebody say something they don't want to say or whatever, but so, yeah, they did that to us too at Super Soap. Oh, okay. They had everything separated. Hopefully, Doug, that helped you in that. I think that's just a ABC thing. Probably. So, but as far as the cruise, if nobody booked yet, that's in this chat room, and you can afford to go or attack seasons here, you know, whatever, you should go. I can't wait till this cruise. Rocking, so Doug, go on. You need to check it out. There's rooms available. There are cabins available. And if there are people that you know that are going on this, have them at the dinner table with you. I was smart and put, I'm at the van handsons board. Let me have their table. So, yeah, check it out. You know, Bonnie Hunt is doing a sweet thing. Oh, yes. Yes. Bonnie Hunt. I found a last night go to Bonnie Hunt.com, like Barb has been in the chat room right now. She's doing a sweet thing for that. So, head to the video. You never know. You can win the contest. Yeah. I'm all for free, man. Yeah. If it's free, it's for me. You know. Exactly, right. I'm serious. And this will be the first time, actually, that I'll be needing the bell on this cruise. Me too. Yeah. Oh, you're going over? Yeah. Oh, wonderful. Wonderful. There's a lot of people that are going to be me for the first time. I don't know what I'm in for. I'll be surprised. You know what? This is what I'm saying. I don't see how anybody could go wrong. This is the deal from what I know and I understand. When we get there, the initial night is going to be a party where, yes, Barb too. This will be the, you know what? Wait a minute. Yes. Barb, this will be the first time I'm actually needing Barb, but you know what? We actually were standing next to each other at the first weekend. VIP street jam, and we didn't know. Oh, no, that's so funny. I didn't know. We were standing right next to each other. I had no idea until after the fact. Yeah. So it'll be cool. But the first night of the cruise is a party DJed by Aidan Turner with an open bar. Okay. So you're not being, you know, shushed in and say, "Hey, you know, go over there. Go over here. Go over there." It's a true DJ party by Aidan Turner. So I can't see anything wrong with that. Oh, it's a DJ party. Yeah. And it's an open bar. Yeah. Okay. So then on Saturday, there's going to be all kinds of events. You've got Torsten Kays unveiling of his book. You're going to have karaoke with Rebecca Buddig. Michael Knight is going to be doing cast and call. There's so much stuff going on. And there is a beach party on Saturday in Mexico. So when you go off the ship in Mexico, you're getting off the ship with everyone and you're going to a beach party with every star that's there. And it's free drinks. So hello. How the hell can you go along with that? You're going to see Brandon Barrage there with no fucking shirt on. Come on now. That's not incentive enough to go. Hello. You know, not to mention all the other hot guys. Yeah. Everybody. Yeah. Yep. And you know what? In the chat room, you can say Michael Knight's overrated, but you know what? He's such a fan favorite and he's such a sweetheart. I can't wait to see him again. Oh, he's an awesome guy. He is so sweet. Fabulous. You know, Michael. And I think he looks -- been with him in person many times. Over here. And he's sad. And you know what? He said that an interesting guy. Hello. Yes. I'm sorry, Barbara. Look at him in the chat room. I'm going to say that you can't afford it. Well, I found out a little bit about that. If you mention that you are the press, they'll try to work out a deal with you where you can't afford it. So just go ahead and try it and call them up. They'll be able to give you a good rate because Nelson was giving them good rates as well. So just try to see what they can come up with. Just mention that you are part of the press. They'll be able to make a deal for you. They made a deal for me. So I'm just offering this. Yeah. So I mean, and you know what, though? Seriously, if you can't afford to go this year, Bob did say that there definitely will be one next year. So just start saving your money. You know, I mean, you'll definitely be another one. Just look forward to that. I mean, who knows? It might be longer than three days or four days. Who knows? But, you know, you never know what's going to happen. But so we're having, so the beach party with free drinks on Saturday and Sunday is another whole day of events, you know, with free drinks at the night party. I got Kelly Monaco doing her a sneak peek of her peep show that she's doing at Vegas with Mel B. Kelly, Kimberly McCulloch is going to be dancing. Let's see. Gosh, there was so much stuff going on. I'm not sure what's going on with the Nuke fans. And as far as I know that there was supposed to be a scrub fan, but I don't know that they booked enough scrub fans to substantiate rent in another room just for them. Because seriously, you know what, the scrub fans are, you know, there, but they're just whatever. They want what they want when they want it and they want everything for free and you can't have it that way. You have to be able to, no, it's not a strip act. It's a strip tease show, like a blessed show. It's not phone nudity or anything like that, but it's called peep show. Yeah, it's called peep show, but they'll be closed. So, you know, and then Bob Gimme Band is playing. And from what I understand, yeah, there's no confirmed scrub fan yet because, yeah, that's what I said. No, it's not confirmed. No, no, no, no, because there was not enough scrub fans that were willing to book the cruise. There was a lot of conflicting information, and I actually had them on my show, and we were trying to get many more of them to book, you know, to secure a scrub event. And, you know what, there was just a lot of people bitching and moaning is what it was. So, I don't know what that's going to happen. But in any event, it's not like, you're not going to have access to everyone anyway. There's no velvet ropes. It's like that. You know what, don't talk about Bob Gimme. I'm going to be doing that on purpose. I hope not seriously because Bob is so nice. Oh, gosh, no, no, no, no. I hope so. I hope so. All right, go ahead. I know you've got other people on the phone. Tom is waiting for you. So, I said what I had to say, and, you know, all of you, on Bob, okay. Leave him alone. We love you. See you on the crew. Absolutely, darling. Absolutely. All right, Navell, quickly. Can I pin something real quick? Pimp away. Next week, the second and third, the second. I'm having Kevin Covey, American Idol Kevin Covey. Oh. Oh. He's coming on the show on the second at 10 o'clock. And someone you've had on your show, Navell, Sandra D. Robinson. Oh, nice. Oh, that could be fun. Okay, and then also on February 9th from a former days actress, Gloria Warren. Ah! Alan Six, former wife. Yes. Yes. Rob and Dick's mom. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, she's coming on February 9th, and Tanya Walker is coming on February 12th. Oh, she's awesome. I love her. Yes. I know you got days. You have more days hands than I deal with because, you know, I'm not. I never really watch it, but that's why I wanted to get the day stuff out there. So, um, uh, Gloria Warren, especially. Okay. Definitely work on that. Yeah, so definitely make sure you come around for that. All right, go get your other people's and, uh, I'll be chatting with you later and go enter the contest at bodyhunt.com. Absolutely. All right. Nice. All right, Tom, I know you've been waiting patiently. I got you. How are you? Tom, are you still there? I'm still here. Hey, Nevale. How you doing? Good. How about yourself? Doing all right. You, uh, and Jamie knows this certainly, but you know me as in as the world turns Luke and Noah fan, but, uh, as far as days of our lives, uh, I started watching that with my grandmother in the 70s. So when I started watching days, the super couple were dug in Julie. And I remember when Bo met Hope and before Marlena, uh, knew Roman. So I have a very long history on that show. That was probably my first. And I can completely understand why the show is in such a mess right now. And it doesn't surprise anything that's happening these days doesn't surprise me at all. And they haven't had an original storyline in years. I mean, how many times do we have to see just like every guy in town fall at Sandy's feet? Oh, God. I think she has what two of them going after her now. If you don't count Lucas and EJ. You have to go. Yeah. And it just. There we go. There you go. Right there. I don't know word. Also, they in Elton Sweeney's grade. I mean, I've been a big fan of hers for a long time, but she must just be bored out of her mind just doing the same scenes over and over again. Over and over and over again. I mean, we talk about Paul and Meg on As The World Turns, but clearly, like Sammy is the same old thing. And then they talk about in the industry, the, uh, how everything is a big money punch, like all this stuff that, um, or at ABC with the pay cuts. But look at this of our lives that trying to boost the ratings by, um, signing, bringing in, um, John and Marlena. And then they've got, uh, Steve and Kayla and Tony and Anna and Bo and Hope. You've got all of these actors who've been in the industry for 25, 30 years. They have to be making ridiculously high salaries. And then they're not playing them. I mean, Steve and Kayla fans screamed that they have no storyline. And they're just sort of propping up other characters. Tony and Anna, they brought both of them back and made a big deal with it. Oh, yeah. In the name of a little dance around story, then got them married off screen and they disappeared. Now, how about that? And now they saw your tail. Yeah, and why not? It's like, they, they brought them back. They said, okay, now we're going to do some kind of a dynamic with Stefano and try to recapture what they were doing 15 years ago. And then they never played it. What did Tony do after that advertising company's storyline? He, he showed up at Christmas. If you're the producers, if you're, um, Sony, if you're NBC, why are you paying big money to pay off endless for the work that he's doing? It's, it's not his fault, but they're not playing them. And the storyline just didn't go anywhere. So they're absurdly high on, um, this, as far as, absurdly high on salary. So I can see how they must just be completely drowning over there. So what would you do to fix days if, my God, that show can be fixed? That, that's a huge if, but. Well, um, first of all, I think that just, uh, you see the same kind of thing with as the world turns and the only other show I watched on a regular basis for years was General Hospital. So I can't really talk intelligently about any soapy on that except things in the 70s that are long gone. But, yeah, it seems like with the salaries, they can't afford to have these people who were on for 25, 30 years from getting these incremental pay raises. In this new structure, it seems like if you're on a soap for 10 years now, you are going to hit a salary ceiling and the actors going to have to decide if they want to work the rest of their career at the salary figure or move on to something else. I mean, isn't that what happened with Martha Burns, really more than anything else, money? So it seems that if I were states of our lives that say, yeah, financially, you're not going to be able to keep all these characters and people would scream at me, but I'd say that they, they should let Mary Beth Evans and, um, and Steven Nichols. Well, because if you're not going to play the character, then don't pay the actor. So it needs to revolve around soap in general, I think, need to revolve around characters who are in their late 20s to mid 30s. But it's kind of give it over to the new generation, you know, the perfect example on days. You talk about Sammy. Now here's the character that they've never known how to write for in that Eric. Yeah. Eric's been on that show since Jensen Ackles left. Yeah. And when he was there, they gave him no decent story. So instead of having Eric, you bring in Nick. I mean, Blake Barris was a real sort of, he was a very interesting actor and a real breath of fresh air. I mean, sort of like Brad Bedenderson, you've got some guy who is like, not at all the stereotypical soap actor, good look, and oh my God, he's gorgeous kind of actor. I mean, they're both kind of the quirky geeky characters, but there was something about him that was interesting. And they, a lot of me in some connection, I guess he was Jessica's son, Marie's sister Marie, the nun's grandson. Right, right. And then they forgot about the family dynamic and you just, you never saw him really tied to the family. And then they randomly turned him into some kind, I guess he's all a murderer, right? He murdered the other guy, the other guy, the other guy, the other guy. I gave up before that happened. But it seems like you have to create these core characters around the younger actors. And yeah, there'll be some older actors on there and maybe it'll only be like Bo and Hope and people like Abe and Lexi that, you know, these actors, I think they know that they're on recurring and they, they're not going to be getting superstar salaries. And then you get a matriarch, I mean, obviously Alice is not in the picture, Maggie seems to be the character that would, it's fitting that role now. And you've got those matriarch, patriarch characters who show up at Christmas and walk in every month in his life. And sadly, I think that's pretty much the way the industry needs to, to go if they're going to be able to make a profit. You know, I wonder about some of the veterans that we're talking about, like, and when you go into the really, really veteran, like Alice and Nancy, you know, these ones, Ruth and Joe, one, all my children, the ones who have been on for this 40 some years. And you think, okay, well, they're not really writing for them, but they're there. So that's a paycheck that's going out every, every two weeks or whatever, how they get paid. So that's money that they could be using, you know, for the budget or for whatever reason, yet they've got these people on there and they're not using them. These are older characters. I mean, how does that work? I mean, I would guess that, you know, they say, for instance, Frances Reed is on contract, but she hasn't been on since a year ago, before the July. Of course it won't since 40 July. Yes, it was from rumor, but it was 4th of July '07, not '08. Yeah. And I don't know what the story was at Christmas. They said that she was willing to work, but they didn't want to pay her. So they threw in a line about, oh, Alice, too bad she's sick and she's upstairs with, you know, some other character we weren't willing to pay is up there sitting at her bedside. Well, like they never use Helen. No, she shows up once in a while. But at that age, you wonder, maybe really is the case where the actors can't handle it physically. Right. And then that's my point. Then, you know, why are you holding on to them and paying them a paycheck? Well, I think... Put them on recurring. Put them on recurring or something, but just make it so that with your budget, you're not firing people who could be used. Oh, no, there has to be a happy medium somewhere. Yeah. Well, I think, unfortunately, you're going to see more of the cuts. I mean, I think that with David Canary, I know a little bit about him. Because I'm old enough, I remember him from Bananza. But it seems like they don't know where to take his characters and they're afraid to center a storyline around him. I'm not sure how old he is now. He must be in his early 70s. Yeah, I think so. I think so. Yeah. So it's getting to the point where they can't put them in romantic storylines. So the character almost, by default, ends up being pushed to the sidelines. Right. And then you've got a sideline supporting backup character making a monstrous salary. And so if I tend to think these rumors are true and you probably will be let go. And, you know, yeah, they could be all the speculation saying, "Oh, it's because Susan Lucci is a prima Donner." And she hates him and maybe behind the scenes she wants him to go because he makes such a big salary that it will leave money available to keep her salary higher. There'll be more money in the pot to spread around. But I think that when it really comes down to it, it's the money issue. Not, you know, this actor doesn't like that actor. I mean, I don't know that they even buy that day's story about the producer not liking the intrigue. I think it was more about the network and the production executive producers just not wanting to send your money around actors and they made too much money. And when you've got to cut the budget and it was their new contract, they got like 40% or something of what, of their licensee, of what they had the last time they got renewed. 40%. Yeah, they're running budget. Don't hold me to that number, but it was some absurdly low number compared to what they were making. Wow. Wow. That's why they got booted out of their studio. It's that NBC is in such a disaster over there that they're selling the studio. So now they're going to have to rent space over at Sony or Universal or something. I think it seems to have the worst luck with soap. Yeah. I mean, after they say they canceled another world. Then what, sunset beach and passion lasted, old passions was a disaster, sunset beach lasted three years, patents lasted how many ever years and was shipped off to direct TV and didn't last there. And Dave has been on this up in downhill. And well, and don't forget probably the best of that bunch after another world would probably be Santa Barbara. Yes, Santa Barbara. But that's part of it is that, like you were talking earlier about guiding light, is that both Santa Barbara and guiding light were failed by the juggernaut of Central Hospital in the 1980s. It's that nobody was watching the three o'clock soap unless they were watching General Hospital. General Hospital? So, I mean, here in Boston, you know, guiding light hasn't been on at 3 p.m. since I would guess probably like 1980 or '81. Yeah, it hasn't been on at three o'clock here since at least 10 years ago. At least in it, if not more. And who can find it? In the morning. Yeah, it bounces between nine and ten in the morning here. I think it's on at nine now. But it just, that's not an hour when people watch soap. No. And that's why, Nobel, you're absolutely right. I would be absolutely shocked if guiding light is on the year, a year from now. I just, I don't see how it survives at all. Yeah. And even, what was this thing that they put out a couple weeks ago saying they will let it stay on the year if it gets a 1.8 rating? If it's very consistent with the rating, if they are consistently at a 1.8 rating, by April 2009, they will renew. But they haven't gotten above a 1.6 in about a year or a half. Yeah, they've been at 1.6 forever now. So they've set a goal that if it's like telling a professional baseball player, if you start hitting 3.40, we'll give you a new contract. And the guys never hit about 3.10 in his life. What makes you think it's going to suddenly start hitting 3.40 now? Exactly. Badding light is going to, how can they get to a 1.8 without like the stun? Well, they can't even get past the 1.6. Exactly. I don't know what they really think Grant Alexander is going to do, because like someone said earlier, it wasn't high in the ratings when Grant was there. And also, it's that when he was there, I mean, I hate to say this about him because I suspect that he's probably younger than I am. But they think if they bring him back, it's going to be like 15 years ago when he was the sex symbol. He's in his late 40s now, or I would guess somewhere in that range. It's like the thing he said, Heather Locklear has, you know, soaked or something, you know, Heather has this track record of saving shows. They say, "Ooh, Grant Alexander, we'll bring him back." It's going to be the famous when they brought back Craig as the world turns. And, you know, Jamie, I'm sorry I'm blocking the guy that got fired last year. Scott, Scott, Scott Price. And it's the same thing is that, you know, Scott Price isn't 24 anymore. So they try to play something. I mean, that's going back to Taylor when Lee Ann Humbly has thought, you know, Tony and Anna. It's that they're replaying a romance that worked when the characters were 30. And now they're-- Same with Eisenhower. Yeah, they're just trying to play it again. With patching play life, far the chemistry came back. But with the others, I didn't. They just seemed to be like old friends at a high school reunion. It just was awkward. Right. So it seems that that method is what Guiding Light is doing to try to save itself. They were just done casting by paying big money to somebody that was popular 10, 15 years ago. And that's what is collapsing days. Besides, they're just trying to make up for this. They let them go. They're the ones that let them go what, two years ago? Yeah, it is. It goes longer than that. So it's like, okay, well, we're going to bring Grant back. We shouldn't just let him go. Well, some of the other artists saying that he's 50. I'm not sure if they're talking about Scott Bryce or the other guy. But it's sort of the same principle. Yeah. You know, unfortunately, I think that you're going to see the future of the industry is the soaps are going to be centered on younger characters. And most of the actors are going to sort of top out and move on out of the industry after they've been in it for about 10 or 15 years. And maybe that's what they need to do. That's what I was just going to ask you, but don't you think that's what they need to do? Well, I see that, you know, we're talking generations a little bit. Like we talk about the popularity of the characters as the world turns, and the characters that are getting people's attention are, you know, Allison and Casey, and of course, Luke and Noah and Jay. And writing it around the younger actors. And they've got the Paul and Meg characters, which are just being killed by an unrelentingly boring storyline. And that writing and all of that. But it seems that maybe to be to remain relevant. Soaps need to go and start doing more things with younger characters and do more of a, of a grassy type story lines of interrelation. They should have them act with the older veteran actors before bridging them out by themselves, at least. Well, you do that by tying them together. I mean, use some like questions, I'll do a little pimping out here myself, since everyone else is doing it on the podcast for, you know, Van Hancis.net for the Luke and Noah podcast tomorrow. We're doing a trivia contest, giving a free trip to the luncheon in April to one of the people who are going to be in the contest. And by the way, we have pre-contestants and it's closed, so you can't enter at this point. But I was one of the people writing the questions, so I was going back through the YouTube clips and compiling questions. And you see the Luke coming out story, and you see the scenes of Luke interacting with Holden and Luke interacting with Lucinda. Now, you have Van who was 25 at the time, 26. 24. 24, 25, yeah. And he's acting face to face one on one in a scene with John Hensley, who's in his mid 40s, and then a scene with Elizabeth Hubbard. I mean, my girlfriend would be amazing, Elizabeth Hubbard. And she was in 70s. And the scenes are phenomenal because you've got father and son and grandmother and grandson and two superior actors face to face. And the scenes are breathtaking because they did good writing, quality actors, and you don't have to have all the characters beyond. You don't have the older characters, too, in the interaction, but you're absolutely writing about it. You have to have interaction between the characters. And so, unfortunately, we keep bringing in these sort of random third-customs. Random blank characters, like, who are you? Why should I care about you? And they're not tied to anybody. Right, exactly. Like when Derek first came around and, you know, he was just the husband that was working for James, you're like, why are we supposed to care? Why? It didn't make any sense. But now they've got to tie. He's tied to Rose. He's James's father, so okay. Now you're getting somewhere. But unfortunately, they also sort of generally have this tendency to go into stunt killings, so they kill off characters. So suddenly, like we all talk about the fact that General Hospital completely bungled the Lucas character. I mean, they announced he was gay. He's in a core family, just like Luke as the Wilterns. And then they kill his father. They killed his father, they were almost immediately. And Tony had been there forever. So you can't tell me that even though he was on recurring, you can't tell me that Brad Mall was making, you know, the same salary that Peter Wreckle or David Canary was making. Right. Clearly, he was not. But they, they took, they have four characters, they had a good balance of younger characters with with Lucky and Elizabeth and all of these friends in the same age group. And they never played him and they marginalized him and they brought in a boyfriend that they never connected and then he was gone. I mean, he was gone. His actions didn't last. Yeah. They had, they had the set up. They had the structure. And they completely bungled it. They destroyed the opportunity. But that's the kind of thing that they have to do. Right. They. Right. There has to be a balance. Yeah. And you can't be there. You know, especially in what, what as well turns could do. I mean, as well turns, it's a perfect opportunity right now to kind of make a transition. I mean, you've got the, the accused, the stewards, the sniders, they're all still there. Thank God. I mean, all these other shows have families that kind of come in and out, but you still got those three families there. You've got the younger generation of those three families. Luke, Allison, Casey, you know, they're there. Kind of. Let them be. A lot of storyline. And sure. Exactly. Let them be the forefront. You can still have the older characters around because they could be the guide, they could be the voices of reason, you know, the mentor. But then look at as well turns just yesterday, they mentioned Adam. Yeah. Adam was the character who was viciously and monstrously destroyed. What about three years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Just a couple of years ago. And then they bring in the bringing back the character of Matt and everybody is pointing out the fact that the actor resembles the actor that used to play the part of. Yeah, of Adam. Yeah, of Adam. So in fact, some people saying maybe he is Adam. So maybe they need to do one of those after nine, oh, we told you he was dead, but we put his body in the basket and whisked him off to the factory where the fight is just brought him back to life. And suddenly, Eric shows up playing the part of Adam. And I would buy the after nine, those after nine kind of he wasn't really dead and there was really a, you know, there was really a supply of food in that casket. And he lived down there for six months. And now he's alive again. And then you just get past that garbage and put the character back on the canvas and go from there. See, all they have to do with that in this day, because he ran away. He didn't die. He ran away and he could have gotten plastic surgery or something shit like that. Well, then he got buried in the woods. That's what that's what they're famous for. So it's like rewriting of history. He buried in the woods. He, he, Maddie and Gwen thought they had killed him. They thought they'd kill him. They thought they'd kill them. They buried him alive. They had their whole little mysterious thing when they're like, oh my God, someone's going to find out. But eventually he did come back. He tried to rape Gwen and, um, Casey and, uh, his other brother, Will Casey and Will convinced Adam to go on the run. So that's the perfect example of sort of stunt plotting. The sake of trying to get ratings during some rating period and destroying the long-term characters. And that's what the soaps need to do is to have complete respect for the long-term characters. And you can keep the story revolving around the younger actors and go home. History, respect history. Yeah. It's not that hard. So Luke and Noah's story has certainly proven that if you have a character like Luke who's completely tied into the story, the fans will then accept the character like Noah coming in. Right. And then if they would expand that by not having completely butchered and destroyed Noah's family. Noah's father or killed his mother. They killed his mother. You could have, um, integrated his parents in and supportive. And now you have two families and you grow it that way. Right. Instead, they just randomly kill people. I mean, days of our lives does that constantly. So you've got all of these disjointed storylines. You've got these younger characters who you don't understand how they really even know each other. And older characters, big money actors, not being played. So it's a mess. It's just, it's not original. It's a mess. And I just, I don't see how days survive beyond that next contract. They, uh, I think that they're a lot. Honey, we, we, we, we spent like the last hour and a half talking about these. Why haven't we talked about the younger wrestlers and what like to live? That should tell you something. Not because I don't watch either one of them. I do, but I understand what you're saying about. That's, that's something. Yeah. That should like tell you something right there. Those two are doing something right. They are. And why aren't these other shows taking wind of what they're doing? You know, I mean, we could, we could easily talk about all the shows we talked about for like, ever. But with younger wrestlers and when I said they're doing everything correctly, what can we basically bust on that they're making mistakes of? Well, they certainly got in major trouble over the last year, which the storyline of, um, redeeming the rapist in his victim. Oh, Todd Todd Todd and Marty. Yeah. And having. And please. And I'm sorry. I do have to say, I do have to say that them doing that, them making the amnesiac, uh, you know, Marty and then fall for Todd and whatever. I, I'm sorry. I didn't see the payoff. Been really much worth having to watch that. And I didn't really like that they made. Poor Susan Haskell, like God bless her for, for playing the, for playing it. Like she did, but I did not like that they turned her into psycho. I'm like, why did you take this strong. Woman who survived her rape and became, you know, her own person and everything like that and put her and make her into discussion. Make her into this week. I need to get revenge. I was not happy with that at all. Well, that's the perfect example of the idea of, uh, sort of trying to gain attention by picking a controversial storyline and then cramming it in there and having characters go completely out of historical character in order to play the part. And you end up getting new fans who say the storyline is boring in the older fans are outraged because you have a character. Yeah. And then you, then you've got other fans who look at it and you say women who get raped do not eventually fall in love with the man who raped them. I mean, it was a disaster when days tried to justify that storyline. I mean, yeah, yeah, the general hospital did it. I mean, infamous Lou Camora, Laura, Laura. That's what happened. And then when they brought back with Lulu, they tried to play this little game. They tried to play that off. Yeah. And it didn't work. No. And then in days of our lives, did it that they, you know, they see the chemistry between EJ and Sammy and they really admitted that they regret having done that. They wished if they could go back and, and we do that so that he didn't rape her. But then they actually had Sammy saying, well, he didn't really wait me. I was using him. But that's what Laura said. Laura said I didn't really see it as rape when she was talking about Luke. Yeah. And I remember when that happened. And you watched it originally. You can clearly see that it was. I really hate about it. Yeah. Yeah, because not neither one of those works. And, um, come on, Sammy says that I really, in reality, I really raped EJ. It's like what? Yeah. And he says, man, do you know what's really bad about the fact that they did it with Sammy? Sammy was a rape victim already. This is not the first time that Sammy was raped. Right. Right. So that is totally. I see that as a, as a guy, I'm morally offended by that. Yeah. And I, you know, I can't, I can never speak for what a woman would feel like there, but I can't believe that she would be more accepting than I am. I mean, I'm overwhelmed by those storylines. And it just, in, from what I can see, there's been general fan backlash. And I know that they're all, all the folks are out there trying to do the most outrageous story to gain the most ratings. But they, they don't understand that these giant storylines like that just end up alienating people in those situations. I just, I'm lost to wonder. And I wish I could probably find an AMC board and see what's going on. What people think about the fact that they're undead. Erica's abortion. First of all, they undead it. And then they killed off character anyway. Well, don't forget that, don't forget that Chelsea on days of our lives is the baby. Yeah. Yeah. All of a sudden she just, she had a miscarriage and the, the dead fetus was left in the swamp and it somehow regenerated into a human being anyway and came back alive. And now we've got a 50 sci-fi horror film here. It's like, well, this was the show that did demonic Marlene herself. By the way, if I, if this, the Gemini twins. If this, well, I like that because, because, uh, Erica. Eric, I, I, I understand. Hey, put him in a silver speedo and covered him with glitter. And sometimes for Jamie and I thought we need to see. You know, we can, you know, we, I found out later he could act. I was already interested before I found out that Eric Winter could actually act. But if I can, if I can, um, just diverge the conversation a bit, I just have to point out something that Nelson was mentioning is that, um, something that we were talking about on the Luke and Noah boards when people were talking about, um, recent, um, Bianca on, um, on, uh, all my children. Yeah. And now, as I, as I told lots of Nukem and I were having a disagreement on this, is that I told them that the storyline would never play out because the actors were just going to stay for a few months and leave. Now, sure enough, Eden Wiegel is leaving at the end of her contract. She is? Yeah, she's leaving. Yes. She's leaving. I, I see. I called that. I called it too. And now in the week character is staying. So. Are you? Oh my God. What are they going to do? How do I fall in love with Zach? Yeah, it's like, so tomorrow, Bond is staying. So does that mean that they're going to bring in another stunt cast as lesbian girlfriend for her? Or are they, are they going to decide that she's bisexual and, and hook her up with a guy? Definitely going to go that route. Yeah. I mean, they, they, they, they, they further in all these things. Like she's married to a guy before, you know, she has this instant connection with Zach and this and this. Yeah. Well, they did that. They, they were fixing Bianca up with guys too. So. Yeah. You know what to say? They, they just kind of, it's like, you guys brought this landmark character here and all of a sudden, then you're going to have her raped and then pregnant with child. And. And then the dark thing. Um, I don't think we really want to go there. And like, what are you doing? The, the, the, the GLAD Awards come out and they give nominations to all my children and as the world turns. Now, a lot of us were screaming and yelling. I mean, there's, there's a reason why I wrote that petition that got, you know, there was part of the whole Luke and Noah campaign to allow them to kiss. But look back over the history and see how days of, actually, how long as the world turns has handled the Luke and Noah story, and then all my children is doing the story with Bianca and now her two successive girlfriends and they've completely bungled it. They've not been dedicated to the storyline at all. Yeah. So as much as we complain about world turns, I can't imagine how all my children could get the GLAD award over as the world turns this year. Uh, they didn't, it was in 2007? I mean, they won four bizarre stories. How ridiculous was that? Yeah. For the bizarre story. I mean, come on. And it was like, and I agree with you. As the world turns for all the correcting that we do and everything like that. And I said this last week in the podcast, um, they've done at least the fact that we've had this ongoing story. I'm going story for almost two years now. And the characters, the characters of Luke and Noah have completely respected every gay fan that is a fan of the genre. Guys like me that watch soaps for 30 years and said I'm never going to see a character that resembles me on these shows. If you put a gay character on a soap, it's somebody like Hank on as the world turns ten years ago who's on the periphery or, um, that a feminine little, um, comedy character Elton who was Laura's assistant on general hospital. Yeah. That's pretty gay character was on a soap forever. Yeah. So as bad as the Luke and Noah storyline, um, people can claim how long it can be. Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Overall, the story has been very, very respectful. And it's still the audience. And I don't think that I would be interested to hear how lesbians feel about the, uh, all my children characters as a representative of them as opposed to the gay men that I hear who are generally positive towards Luke and Noah as a representative of them. It's, um, it just seems that all my children just keeps teasing with the storyline and then abandoning it. Yeah. That's what they've been doing for years. But that's, that doesn't say much, but they're long term viability as a relevant soap. And I know I'm talking about the one storyline because that's the only one I know about. But that's why exactly when it first was announced that they were going to do it, I was screaming and glad it worked. Yeah. You, you know, it's, you know, it's going to be time to get something in there for the glad award. And, and I said, when it, when they started, I said that, you know, don't, don't pay attention to this because they're going to chicken out. They're not going to follow through. Right. Yeah. You and I had a conversation about that. Exactly. And we were both right. Yeah. Navell, have we just completely clouded you off with your own show? No, you did not. It was good because my mom wound up coming in here and I had to help her on the computer. So while you guys talking, it helped me pay attention to what she was doing. So that was good. It was like perfect timing. So I had no complaints. That's good to hear because I, because I think the audience is probably thinking that Tom and Jamie are trying to work a spin off here. No, I told them, I told them in the room. I was like, my mom's got to use the computer. So they're going to keep talking. So I had to step away. So it was good. We capable of doing that. Yeah. Definitely. And you got to do it again tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, tomorrow is our great, our trivia contest. Yeah, if you're looking no offense and you want to just take that little clip down memory lane and see how much of these facts you can actually remember. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of time. Yeah. New Easter time. Nine AM. Fun. Getting the questions together. So it's really challenging. Absolutely. So I ended up writing quite a few questions using YouTube clips that now I sound incredibly intelligent because I know all the answers. And I don't know how many of them I actually would have been able to come up with if I had been asked them cold. So. I sound that question's cold. I'm good. You are good. So that should be a lot of fun. So that's what we're up to for tomorrow. All right. I look forward to it. And thank you guys so much for calling in and everything. This was like freaking fantastically fun. Of course, you know. I like painting sessions. So what can you do? And it's good to sort of get it out there. And what's interesting. I find that when I vent about these types of issues on soaps in general is that people usually don't disagree with me very much. So if the fans are saying that, if the media is saying that, if people in the media are saying that Paul and Meg are boring on S2W terms. If Paul and Meg fans on soap boards are saying that they're tired of their favorites doing the same endless story over and over again. And why aren't you talking about the government? Why can't they get a clue? Because government and continuity, apparently, like they said, don't look at it. It's like, okay, you guys are making a big mistake, not listening to your fans. Well, Nelson Bronco had that blind item a couple of weeks ago about what East Coast former Emmy award winning lead actor is so incredibly important. It's so incredibly bored with his storyline that he wants out. And immediately, people started screaming. Go large. Roger. Uh-huh. And I'll tell you that I read about Roger Howard when he played Todd on One Like To Live. I didn't, I was watching the show at the time. I just started through the press, you know, the story about the rapist. And so when I started watching as the world turns and I'm saying, is this the actor that everybody was going so crazy over when he played the rapist? And Paul, I remember Paul, the Paul that I remember from watching as the world turns years ago was like the 16 year old who was sitting. Andrew Cavada. Andrew Cavada. Yeah, Andrew Cavada. Yeah, yeah. That's when I used to watch. And then I come back and I see this just, I mean, talk about it. I mean, talk about our clusterfuck of a messed up character. Andrew and Paul. I don't know how you even redeemed the character now. Yeah. Yeah. Like next week, he's going to kidnap Eliza. Oh, that's going to work well. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Don't they keep saying, well, okay, he's insane. Well, if you're going to make the character insane, then, you know, put him in a mental hospital and, you know, even if you did something like that awful story when Steve was in the mental hospital on his own lives a couple of years ago. Yeah. You know, at least there was some attempt there to put him in a hospital and give him a psychiatrist and play out something logical. But Paul keeps getting locked up and released every 48 hours. So it's like, yeah, it's like you're insane. You need institutionalization. And oh, by the way, you can leave on Tuesday and come back a week Friday and everything will be fine. We'll have a bed for you. So in then the camera, all her sons were crazy and her daughter's dead. I gotta feel for her. Yeah. And there's another example of destroying a couple of characters taking Will and Glenn, a couple of people. Oh, God, they made them baby crazy. Yeah, they turned them into they sounded like a couple of 48 year old. Yeah, cursing themselves and not having had a baby 15 years earlier. So 19 years old, less than be 19 years old, the guy from Night Shift that Roger interviewed yesterday made some really good points about the writing. You know, you got to write what you know. And also write what you think, you know, like, write for you. What would you like to see on the show? Exactly. Maybe in that, you know, because more than likely what you would like to see, everybody else will look at it with you. But I'll just agree with one thing that he said in that interview, he said that, right, what you know, he said that I, if I was the head writer, I wouldn't know how to introduce a Hispanic family onto a soap. Well, first of all, introducing a Hispanic family onto a soap should be the same general concept is introducing an Asian family onto a soap, which is something that you have. Or any kind of family for that matter. But you solve that problem by having somebody like Sree Leo and then then say, okay, we want to concentrate on an on a Hispanic or an Asian family being introduced. Well, how about this really bizarre concept of hiring an Asian or a Hispanic co-head writer? That's what that's what, yeah, exactly. Before you say people talk about the lack of diversity in actors on soaps. Well, how about getting a little bit more diversity in the writers on soaps? The writers, it seems that the same old writers just keep revolving from one show to another. They're like baseball managers who get fired for losing 80% of their games and then they get another drop. I mean, we're not in the 80s and the 90s anymore. We evolved from 20 years ago and yet, but we're still getting the same plots that were popular and good back in 1981-1995 and, you know, they're trying to shove them out again and it's not working. And it's failing time and time again. I mean, this Bob, this Paul and Meg props that we're getting has been done before. Well, yeah, they did it three weeks ago, but the other thing too is that people, why is it that Luke and Noah fans are still following the couple? Even though I look back over the last year and I say, okay, the Amira storyline made no sense to me. The setup I actually kind of liked and maybe if Amira had turned out to be Noah's half sister, then maybe they could have spun it off into something intelligent. But the storyline, you know, is handled by the scabs and abandoned by the new writers was just a disaster. Noah supposedly wanted to join the military for reasons that made absolutely no sense character-wise. It's just completely illogical and yet, and then he disappeared for most of the summer and then Luke has gotten great storyline in the fall, but Noah has been very much marginalized in the fall of the storyline. There was great opportunity for Noah's story that was completely wasted. I'm sorry, if the storyline, if I just told you that I generally didn't like anything or most about the overriding storyline for the last year, then why am I still such a big fan of the characters? It's two things. It's the initial creation of the characters. They went out of their way to create two characters that I care about and relate to. And then they hired two superior actors so that you can see Van and Jake acting out storylines that I hate and yet I still watch and I still appreciate because I appreciate the quality of the acting that the guys are giving me. So, fans can a good actor can make the worst writing look good. Exactly. Exactly. In the perfect example is what Jake did with that military storyline. I kept scratching my head. I kept saying, wow, that was an amazing performance by Jake. It's like, I just really wish they had given them words to explain what the hell Noah was thinking. Why was he doing it? It just kind of fell into his lap. It was like, you're going to do what? You just got back together with your boyfriend. You're going to join the military. On one level, I've told you Tom, I can understand it just because I understand the character with Noah and I get where Noah's coming from probably, but it just made no sense in the sense of the storyline. No, yeah, it didn't fit. In fact, the issue that I have is one of the things I do on the website is I write a fanfiction story centered on Noah because I'm so long-winded I'm still having gotten to that point. I don't want to watch that in my story, but I'm looking ahead saying that it's a real challenge. I'm going to have to try to find some reason to justify why Noah acted that way. And then I realized what I'm doing is that I am trying to put more thought into the storyline than the people who wrote it. Even with this last story, with Brian, because you know, the ending, which was perfect. I mean, how Noah was the one that kind of got Brian to see that killing himself was not going to help and everything like that. What it has made it so much better is like we would have seen some first of all some scenes with Brian and Noah. Hello, the two of them never really interacted by themselves. Yeah, what really ended up happening is the scenes that we saw in December in January. Yes. You want wish that the writers had gone back and we written the scenes from September October and November. Exactly. Exactly. Wow. When did it been cool if Brian and Noah could have had some conversations that way we would have understood why he was always not on Luke's side when this was always bad not being Brian. And you know, and always taking Brian's side, so to speak, so he wasn't. But you know what I mean? Like he would be like, Luke, you would need to treat Brian better. But why would we really know that? Why would we believe that if we'd never seen Brian and Noah together? Exactly. But that's the perfect example. Then you look at a storyline like that, or you look at the storyline on Days of Our Lives when Nick was always the scientist and Mr. Perfect guy. And then all of a sudden they started writing in this aspect where he was having these moments of rage and then he killed. He killed Connor. And it's stunt plotting and not long term story development. So I think that you'd like to look at this Luke and Noah story over the last six months and say there's so much wrong there that and you wonder why the fans are frustrated and you have to back it up and say, where does the responsibility lie? For the mess of the lack of airtime and the inability to properly flesh out a story when you expect two characters that everybody wants to see and you're not fleshing off the story properly. And because you're giving all the time to Paul and Meg when even the Paul and Meg fans aren't buying that storyline. Yeah, exactly. So, that just shows you right there, they're not listening. Yeah, exactly. And they're like saying they listened to the fans who were like clearly not. They don't. Well, I was one that was always a big supporter of Christopher Goutman for the main reason being the history of the fact that he's the one who hired Dan Hanson. He went to his alma mater. He went to Carnegie Mellon and said, find me, you know, who wears somebody to play Luke. And so it was the Carnegie Mellon connection with Goutman that probably was what got banned through the door originally. But at least got him noticed. Well, sure. And that regard, you know, I have to, you know, bow down to Goutman. But it just seems that he's gotten lazy. And this asinine interview he gave a few months ago where he said that you can't expect fans to watch soaps five days a week. Oh my God. He went back to play genre. Yeah. And then, and then Gene Passanate. I mean, I was very surprised to hear that after having watched another world for like about 10 years or so. I gave up on it about a year before it went off the air because the writing was miserable and the long term characters were being destroyed. And I said, this just completely sucks. And then I put the channel and started watching after world turns instead. And it turns out that the head writer during the period I gave up on a show I've been watching for 15 years was Gene Passanate. So I had no clue. It's just a full circle deal. So, and it just, but it just seems that if the show is won by somebody like Goutman who is making comments like that. I don't think you can run it five days a week. I don't think you, I don't think that fans can concentrate on the show that way. I mean, how do you expect me to have faith in your show when you don't have faith in your show? Exactly. And I said that. And it's like he's trying to dumb down the audience. Right. And now they're playing this new pacing game where they're putting characters on for a greater percentage of a certain show and then speeding through story lines. Yes. And so Paul and Meghan say the same thing that they said last week again next week. They need better balance. They need better balance. I mean, like, and I know a lot of people have said this. When the guys finally had sex on January 12, the logical business decision should have been, okay, we should follow this up with the boys being on to this show. Because everybody who watched today is going to want to do it in to see what happens tonight. Well, also, they, and the other thing that they didn't do is that they didn't follow up on any of the story line. Right. Luke has not really been called to task for his drinking. He doesn't. No. All the misunderstanding between Luke and Noah. And then they follow a line in on the Wednesday episode saying, oh, it's because we talked. It's like we talked about it. Well, why didn't we see it? Where was that scene? We should have seen that played out on screen. We definitely should have seen that talk. And it's, they, they talk, you talk about the pacing. I mean, I remember from watching shows over the years that it seems like on both days of a lives in General Hospital, you would see the same type of. Oh, yeah. A character, characters would come on and be the minor story line on Tuesday. Right. That would then lead into a whole play out of that story on Wednesday. Exactly. Now, the characters came in on Wednesday that were the secondary story on Wednesday became the primary story on Thursday. And it just always seemed to be that loop and everything that, so you knew that if they were on the Friday cliffhanger, they were definitely on Monday. Absolutely. And yet then they hooked them in with another story line which carried through Tuesday and Wednesday. And it was an interlinked change. And it worked. And on another, on as the world turns, you see characters that are a central point of a major point of the show for a day or two and then they disappear for four or five days and then they come back. Right. And you're supposed to see there, there. Fans may not be able to follow. I mean, you talked about, Chris Galvin says, well, they can't watch a five day show because they won't be able to follow anything. Oh, we'll be able to follow fine if you lose it, right? If you're having, if you're having characters, like, let's say, God forbid there was ever was a time when Megan Paul were on Monday. They were on Monday's show. They did their thing. Nice cliffhanger moment. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, we saw no Megan Paul. Friday, at the end of the show, we see Megan Paul again and you're wondering, what's going on on Monday? Yeah, you don't remember. Right. You're far back. Exactly. They're running into that now with Jack and Janet. Yeah. They seem to have gotten about this. They need to find a balance. They don't have a balance anymore. But Jean Passonate thinks that this new model of hers of accelerating storyline is the way to go. But I don't think soap fans want that. So fans want to see storyline played out in a natural progression over time. Right. They don't want to see somebody disappear for 14 days and then have... And then all of a sudden, there they are again and you're like, well, where were they? Right. And then because, I mean, you see it too with the characters of Casey and Allison, it's that this romance could have played out decently. But they're tending to do now the same thing with Casey and Allison that they would do and with Luke and Noah. Back at the beginning. They're on every fourth or fifth day and then they have to cram a whole bunch of stuff into one episode in order to get the storyline to cover. And then we get it all done and then they disappear for a week and a half. Yeah. And there, and you see that they may be in four rushed scenes. Yeah. But it properly could have been eight proper scenes fleshed out and explained over a two or three day period. Yeah. I don't, I don't get the need to push like I guess on the day that Luke was on. Me and Angela were watching the segment, you know, because they had dusty and neck. We're on for a solid two minutes in the beginning. And you're like, okay, it's the show going to be completely about dusty and neck. What's going on here? What's with these, you were trying to cram. It seemed like it was always the way with most shows is that before the opening credits you'd get a minute or of each one of the characters. Generally speaking, anybody that was sent to central to the show appeared before the opening credits is a little introduction. Right. And then after the opening credits, you start going through the stories and some even pacing. But as the world turns doesn't seem to know how to do that any longer, is that a lot of episodes are with 70, 30 in terms of characters on any given day. Yeah, I mean, I watched the previous and go, okay, they're cramming. And you can tell when they're doing it now. You can tell when they're cramming too much into an episode. And what's the point of that? I mean, they have, you talk about having an entire years with the story. You have a storyline that's going to play out over a nine month period. Right. Why, you know, why does so much have to happen to these two characters when other characters are on much longer and nothing ever happens with them. And in days of our lives, you see the same kind of thing going on. You've got Sammy, you know, boyfriends just doing this, you know, and Sammy's relationships don't change. Every single boyfriend, Sammy has had, you know, the guy's been, oh my God, the best guy ever. And she does something to screw up or they do something to screw up. So they break up and she gets pregnant by them. They get back together and it's like the same story. And if you go back a little bit, you realize that it's taking the original Roman and Marlena story where Marlena was, where Roman was the cop who's out there. The cop who's out to protect Marlena because they think she's the victim and he's gruff and she doesn't like him and he doesn't like her and eventually they fall madly in love. Well, now they get this guy from passions and it sounds like that's a complete retread of that story. He's suddenly, I never thought of that. He's like an FBI agent who's protecting her. Right. And locking her in a safe house, well, you know, it's been an awful long time since Sammy's been locked in a safe house. So it was what? Last year, I think that they had her locked up with E.J. in a safe house. Because she was going on maternity leave or whatever. Yeah. So it's, well, at least they did some fun with that where they had her recast with the guy. No, it didn't recast, yeah, that was funny. They pretended it was, they pretended it was her in a mask. I'm sorry folks, rule one. If you want to pretend that one character is another. Choose an actor who's skull is at least somewhat proportionally the same. Some more. Yeah. So very placing. Right. You know, how did Sammy manage to make her whole entire head thinner when she was being passed back? Please. I didn't get that at all. Yeah, well, that is the bizarre storyline. But that's so, you talk about days and it's the same kind of thing. It's that they get one storyline spinning aimlessly in a circle. You've got randomly introduced characters that are not connecting with each other. And then you're trying to somehow keep people interesting when the pace is off. The writing is off. The structure is off. I missed the days of when even you've had all the different storylines. But somehow, some way those storylines overlap. I mean, for example, you know, I think it's really funny that they have Luke telling Jade about, you know, the whole Casey and Emily thing. I'm like, when does Luke know about the Casey and Emily thing? I mean, you know, they took Casey out of Luke's orbit. And the Luke, period. Luke never spoke to Casey during that whole time. No. He never spoke about Casey. No. But at least now he had the appropriate approach. We haven't even talked about Emily to Luke either. Yes, I know. That was just like, okay, all of a sudden he all knows of all about Emily's story. Yeah, sometimes you look at it and you say, well, wait a second. Have to those characters ever will? Do they really know each other? Exactly. You see, for instance, in part of doing the trivia thing and I saw the scene with Luke and Carly, where Luke went down to Snyder Pond and he bumps into Carly. Right. And now you realize that, I mean, I understand that you say, well, you got now more West and band answers. I mean, we've never seen the two of them in the scene together unless it was a wedding and they were 20. Yeah. Like the last time, in fact, the last time we saw them in a scene together was the wedding for Holden and Lily. And the last time they actually did something together was on the telephone call when she called randomly called the farm and Luke answered and she was looking for JJ. Yeah, which was two years ago. Yeah. So Carly is talking to Luke like she knows Luke. Well, of course she should because there are all these family connections, but you never even saw them interact or pass by on a street corner and talk to each other. Well, you know what else was there? Two actors to play that scene. Yeah. And they didn't even do it justice. I would have loved to see those two throw down because they've got the pipes and the shouting. And that wasn't very, very interesting if they would have let him lash out at her like he was lashing out at Holden. But that was both of those were incredibly wasted opportunities because Luke completely forgave Holden within a week and a half. Oh, yeah, it was too quick. Yeah, I know. I was so looking forward to a rift between Luke and Holden because that's big. You know, Holden fell off his pedestal as far as how Michael Parks did in his interview last week. Yeah. He was hoping for something like that. He was hoping that he could punch him. Right. He was buying a storyline and I guess in general, the long term as the world turns fans did not like the idea of Holden and Carly together. But I actually found it interesting because I thought it was interesting because I thought the following up was going to be perfect. You know, I thought we were going to get fantastic. You know, oh, Jack and Holden coming at us for what? Because Jack and Holden have always been like brothers. Well, unfortunately, also they, I think that that storyline was plotted out and it was damaged by the fact that they couldn't work things out with Martha Burns. Yeah, that's true. Because sort of Holden cheating on Martha Burns is full of drama, but Holden cheating on Noel back. It was just like, eh, okay, I wanted to hold up the end of the bargain. Exactly. They were able to work out a deal of Martha Burns. I would have had more possibilities. I think it would have been more explored as they worked out into Martha Burns. And it was an explosive. Also, there was a storyline that they were, the speculation was that it was supposed to go in the other direction as well. And it's implausible. Oh, with Jack and, yeah. Jack and Lily. So it's like, you know, Michael Park and Martha Burns. And it's like that, that also, I mean, just like Holden and Carla, I guess sort of in terms of character history, it wouldn't have made a lot of sense. But it could have been some real powerful stuff. And unfortunately, that they simply didn't have John Hensley and Noel didn't have enough time to work together. To perfect any kind of chemistry that would have made that storyline work. Yeah. Or a little recognition of the fans to sort of, you know, recognize the connection. I don't say they did that too fast. I mean, having her leave at the end of April, and then Noel came in, what, two weeks later on the 8th of May, that was not enough time at all. Or, you know, for the fans to kind of get used to the fact that Martha was gone. And, you know, hell, she could have stayed at Ivan. Lily could have stayed at Ivan for a little bit longer. Whatever. Gotta, you know, spend some time with the spa, blah, blah, blah. It's not like it's the first time she's ever left her kids. So, you know. The problem there is that the long-term story was plotted out. So, if you don't have Lily. It would have been even better though, because she was gone called and could have fell in the Carly's arms. And, you know what I mean? And you can't tell me they don't rewrite. Oh, they still do. And they could have made it longer. Ironically, when sometimes they rewrite, and they get it right. Because they were going to fix Jack up with Lily. And then they bailed on it. And then they were going to do the Janet and Brad and Katie triangle. And they realized that didn't work, because Janet was just like this really sort of annoying cross between a hooker and a flow from Alice in the 1970s. And it was awful. So, then they backpedaled it. They didn't know what to do, so they just stuck Janet and Jack together. And then they turned out that they mellowed Janet down, and they turned her into a character that suddenly the fans are all behind in working out. And the actress is spectacular. I mean, I've been a fan of Julie Vincent since, well, it was a day, days, days when she was. Day, days, days when she was done. A thirdly underutilized. Oh, yeah. Totally. I couldn't ever understood why a beautiful woman like that could only find one guy in the entire world that you could ever be with. Seriously. Ugh. And it just, you know, the way they treated her was shameful. Yeah. But then they bring her on here, and the character they create is a mess and a disaster. They randomly throw her together with Jack, and suddenly something happens, and the character knows about it. And she's still a mess and a disaster, though. Nope. I mean, she's a very... I don't know. Janet's a much more interesting character now than she was in the first few weeks of her show. Yeah. The first few weeks, she just wanted to smack her, and she was like... And actually, what was interesting, and I thought this was really cool, Julie even said that she was kind of cartoony. So, you know, that's the actress. And she said, Janet was kind of like this cartoony character at first. And now... But then, you know... And now she's become sort of like this sort of good Earth mother type of normal down to Earth character. If anything, she's like a younger version of Emma. And that's not at all where they originally planned on that character. So they can't think on the fly, and once in a while they get it right. And other times they just monumentally don't get it right. And that sort of seems to be the history of that show. Do you think that they're going to take Liberty and Parker and have Liberty become a teenage parent out of her mouth? Oh, I do. I, that is the speculations that I have heard. I think on that note, we've got to wrap up. Well, we'll probably be here for another three hours. Oh, I hear that. Yeah, wow. Just looked at the clock on the bell. You really let us one wild here. Wow. Well, I did kind of want to intend it for two hours show, so we did good. So, thank you so much, you guys. I mean, we filled up the time, though, I wanted at least. So, well, thank you for the opportunity. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. And we got to do this again. Randy, shows are fun. I'll tell you. Yeah, they are. I bet you had been around actually last week, no, because we did a random show. We were just, you know, talking about news and what we liked about Storyline. And we would have loved to have had you on. I mean, that would have been awesome. Of course, that might have been because we had no Storyline to recap. Because we had to go there again. So, yeah. That's a busy on a boat to pay attention, I guess. Hey, what can you do? Well, that, you know, you told me another one. Yeah. You're going to march with me, baby. I am. And I'm going to you guys. I really wish I could be there with you. But it can't happen, unfortunately. So, uh, if you-- That's a hit song. We'll see you in April. You coming in April, Isabel? Uh, I hope so. I hope so. I hope you feel like we can work, so hopefully this weekend, I can really have off. I don't know. I have to look at advance. But I think they have to work it out because you need to be there because you need to meet me. So be a hero. [LAUGHTER] All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. We're going to work on that one. [LAUGHTER] All right, you guys. You take care now. You have a good weekend, all right? Thank you very much. Have a good night. All right. Okay. Bye, Isabel. Bye-bye. 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