Matt and Phil Simms power ranked AFC West quarterbacks. They analyzed Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Jarrett Stidham, Aidan O'Connell, and more. They give insights into the impact the offensive coordinators can have on the AFC West QBs.
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AFC West QB Rankings: Mahomes, Herbert, Stidham/Nix, O'Connell/Minshew
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But here's my train of thought right now. Yeah. I'm looking at your background, and mine is terrible. I'm going to fix it. I just got to get to it because it's so ugly in here, but I mean, I like the helmets. I see all iron trophy behind me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. I like that a lot. Oh, you're okay. Right. Is that shabby, right? Matt Shob. Right. Former quarterback of the Houston Texans and also the Atlanta Falcons with me when we made that Super Bowl run with that whole crew, the quarterback room full of Matt's, Matt Shob, Matt Sims, Matt Ryan, Matt LaFlore, as our quarterback coach, um, Matt Shob is nice enough to invite me to his home for Thanksgiving. Right. Had a great time with his family, his kids, his parents were there as well, so really enjoyed being there with them. He takes it. He's like, Hey, hey, come here. I want to show you something. And we go downstairs and there's a little, you know, a little bar, you know, trophy case area. And he's like, this trophy right here is my favorite trophy of all time. And yeah, he shows me the all iron team from Big Phil, that trophy that you see right above my head right now. And he goes, you know, Hey, you know why I like this? He goes, you could really hurt somebody with this too. Oh, that's a great. Okay. He goes, there's no many intentions. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody breaks into the house. I'm, I'm going to use this on him, you know, and I'm telling you, it is something, it's the heaviest damn trophy out there, but it is a little trophy. And it was really nice of him to share that moment, uh, obviously with me, uh, him being a winner of that award that you had when you were an out there. It is very heavy. And I like the fact that they made it like a real iron the same size and all that. Just much, much heavier, but it's like John, I had an all Madden trophy in the office out there with you. Oh my God. No, I mean it over here somewhere. It is. I think it was. Yeah. No, no, I think it came in at a small 32 or something like that or 22. I forgot what I waited when he passed away. I said, John, man, bigger than life, everything was bigger with him and I weighed the trophy and I was like, wow, can you imagine shipping those things out? It was like real like cast iron too. It's like real thick. It's a solid block. There's, it's really not like anything super, you know, special or done up just like a solid brick of steel. You know, it's just unbelievable. Yeah. It was great. It was great. Okay. Enough, enough BS. Let's talk about the AFC West quarterbacks and what do you think? Yeah. And I got a number. I'm going to be truthful now. Here's the, I got a number. It's one or two. Yeah. Which number are you going to take? It's one. Oh, you're right. Cause you know my secret. That's right. Everybody always picks two. Um, I know you fell. I am you. I should have changed. I should have said it out with, oh, I know you're disappointed about that, but you got to live with this. Oh, disappointed. All right. All right. So you get, you get the pick. What do you want to, you want to go first or second? I'm going to go second. I want to hear who you have at number four because I think the four three spot is a little interchangeable. I think the one and two to me is very clear. Yeah. But the three four spot little interchangeable and it's also, it's more of a group because we don't really know who the starters are going to be for these two franchises. So at number four, Phil Sims has who? Well, I did this on three and four. I got all three quarterbacks in there. So, Aiden O'Connell, Gardner, Minto, the second and Anthony Brown. Well, won't be Anthony Brown, the starter, but I put them in number four, uh, one, because I think just physically I like maybe the number three group better. That's probably the biggest reason. Okay. And you know, I'll just say these things real quick. Gardner Minto to me is the, I'm trying to think who, who was a, a great reliever. He's a, he's a great reliever, I think, for starting quarterbacks. Can come in there and knows how to play, can make plays, has a little magic. Players love him as attitude, his way, all that stuff. It's awesome. But also when I say that, I don't know, if I had to pick a winner, who's going to win that job out there? Gardner Minto or Aiden O'Connell, I'm going to say Aiden O'Connell is going to win the job. Okay. Why is that? Very polished, big, plays big, you know, stands in the pocket can make throws. Why he's getting hit accurate with the football, he's been out there already. They've seen him for a year. So they have that in a bucket. They kind of know who he is, and I think he'll be a better player this year, and he was last year. And I think everybody just talks about it. This is Gardner Minto, again, I like everything he does, but he, they're kind of different quarterbacks. Aiden O'Connell is going to stick to the plan, find the open guy and get rid of the football, you know, I think pretty quick. And he surprised me how well he played the NFL last year as a rookie. So that's my number four. I would agree with you. I really think that just like big picture wise for, for the Raiders, I always say Oakland. It's so bad. For the Las Vegas Raiders, I think Antonio Pierce is probably going to try to lean towards Aiden O'Connell more at number four, I also have Aiden O'Connell and Gardner Minto. I think that he's going to like a lot of just the attitude, right, that Gardner brings, right? That, that just like infectious energy, right? That goes throughout the locker room with the type of character he is that how much fun he has, how he's loose, but he's also how he, he works so hard and is so dedicated to his craft. I think he's going to have a hard time kind of denying those things because I think that's what Antonio Pierce wants to see in his quarterback, especially in Las Vegas and for the Raiders. But I think Aiden O'Connell's skill set fits a little bit more of what we hear Antonio Pierce want to do offensively, you know, be big, be big, be strong, push people around at the offensive line, do play action passes, be able to have his quarterback being big and strong, you're mentioning too. And I think, you know, Aiden O'Connell with his experience last year, I think he can build upon that like you're saying and really just be a, you know, a above average functional quarterback for this football team as they still kind of find their way and identity going forward under Antonio Pierce's leadership. Let me give you a new slant on this as you say all that I had it written down, you know, you know, a couple of things, Aiden O'Connell, his arm looked much better than I expected last year. And I think that'll improve. He'll get a little more, even more pep on the football. But think about it this way. You would know the answer to this, but I'll say it anyway. Who was the great relieving a relief quarterback for the Raiders that was unbelievable how he would come in and games and pull it out for the Raiders. Who is it back in one of George Blanda? Oh, wow. I mean, yeah, we didn't know that. Yeah, I know you would. When I was growing up, you know, they'd be the West Coast game. You see them at four, right? And then they'd be losing by whatever and they'd put George Blanda in, you know, midway in the fourth quarter. You know, he was really, I can't even think of his age. He was in his 40s and, you know, being boom, boom, and they get them in either score their touchdown or they didn't get it on third down. So he'd keep the game when he'll go. He was the kicker. Right. I mean, it was unbelievable. And I'm saying that because I think that's what you got with Gardner Menchoo. Right. Stay with Ade Nokano. Don't be afraid to pull him out when you need that little jolt because Gardner Menchoo is going to give it to you. And then you go back the following week, right back to Ade Nokano. You don't think that messes with Ade Nokano, you know, being a young quarterback kind of that, you know, that give and take that way as far as the job being taken away from him, like emotionally and physically all that kind of stuff. I think he can handle it. I do. Don't forget who he played for in college, Jeff Brom. That's right. Brom. Okay. He's heard it all. He knows every curse word there is in English language or whatever. He yelled at me pretty good when I was at Louisville. So yeah, I'm sure he was talented. That's for sure. I know it's tough. But I think it's a great dynamic. And you know, even as a young quarterback, you go, okay, he'll make him grow. And listen, if it destroys him, then he wasn't the guy. Okay. Now you got to overcome these things. And I think they can sit these parameters. I'm not saying that they're losing in the fourth quarter every time they're going to pull him out. But if it's not going well, you got to get that spark sometimes. And you can't always do it with sometimes the players around the quarterback or the coach. So it's just a thought I have and that would be interesting. And if you kind of set the table during training camp and in meetings and, you know, everybody's in there together, that you understand these roles and you can get it done. So well, do I think that'll happen? Yeah, probably not. But it is a thought that if there's two guys in a coach that can make it work, I like my chances of those three doing it. I like it a lot too. And I also just want to highlight that I feel like for Aino Connell, something that this team will probably look into getting to doing more of. And that is using their two big, strong, powerful tight ends that they have in their passing attack to go along with Devonta Abs, Jacobi Myers, right? Now you have Brock Bowers, who is an absolute just he is the next iteration of that Travis Kelsey type of receiving tight end, right? Along with Michael Meyer to go along with those two guys. I feel like they can get a lot of interesting offensive sets, you know, the tight end wing stuff, you know, the double tight end looks where you can motion shift them and really start to dictate how you run the football, but also how you attack defenses in the passing game. So really exciting for that, too. And yeah, I think Aino Connell will fit perfectly into those guys skill sets during the football down the field and over the middle with his size and ability. Yeah, Brock Bowers is the real deal. Yeah. And he has got a lot of slickness to him, just like Travis Kelsey, he's faster than Travis Kelsey, he's strong. I mean, and he after the catch, man, he's dynamic. But let's go. It's going to be great to see. Okay, I did number four, right? You've got to have number three. Number three, I'm going with the Broncos law firm of Cidam Nixon. Well, I just had Cidam and Nick. So you had the third quarterback there available for the Broncos as well, right? Zach Wilson, Zach Wilson. So I'm, you know, he's number three to me. And I think he's Cidam or Nick's. And you know, right now, I think Cidam is one of those guys that I think a little underappreciated never really got the opportunity to be like the guy, but has shown recently that when he does play, he plays extremely well. He's got an above average arm. I think he has good athleticism. He makes good decisions consistently. And I think that Cidam is a very similar version of a bow nicks in a lot of ways as far as how you evaluate the physical skill set of them. They don't do anything necessarily like extremely well. They just do everything really, really well. It's a good point. It's a good point. I like, I, I kind of see it a little differently. Okay. I think the job is there for bow nicks. I think the Broncos understand who they are, whatever, sooner or later, bow nicks is going to get a lot of play this year to get him ready for when that they can turn to sing around and really feel like for real that they have a chance to be a good time or a good playoff team, not just sneaking in there, whatever. So right, bow nicks. I've always thought watched them all year last year. Yeah, I liked him a lot. Many, I didn't see any things that really bothered me at all about bow nicks. Right. And I always thought this, Matt, man, he's perfect for Sean, you know, Sean Payton. Yeah, I would even during the year, I would think that you were saying for Sean. Yeah. And all year during the college season, I kept telling you, I'm like, you're going to like this guy next, when you watch his film, man, because he does a lot of really good stuff. High football quarterback play. So consistently, I mean, to throw it for over 70%, two years in a row in college, I don't give a damn what offense you play in. It's that impressive. It's not that he threw over 70%. It's like, damn, he wanted to go to 80. Yeah, but you're right. Quick. Listen, we, and I hate to bring this up. And I'm just saying it. Look, Drew Brees was a great, what's the word for it, getting ready for the game. I mean, he was over the top meticulous. Yeah. And you know, what I told you, I've told the story on our podcast. I'll say it one more time. He was in a meeting with us. We're doing the game. Yeah. And when he left, he was mad at the PR people. And they tell me, I go, why was he mad? You didn't come in. You were two minutes late coming in to get me. Now, I don't know what the time was, but it was something like what? Because he had to have his, he has to go out and look in the mirror and go over every play, then go on the field by himself and drop back and play every play. And he would do this for like an hour on a Friday. And my point being, I look at all those quarterbacks out in Denver, and I see bone nicks as that guy. His father was a coach. I want to teach your kids financial literacy, but not sure where to start green light can help. With green light, parents can keep an eye on kids spending and saving while kids and teens use a card of their own to build money confidence. As a parent, you can send instant money transfers, set up chores, automate allowance, and more. It's a convenient way to run your household, customized to your family's needs. And the easy way to raise financially smart kids gets started with green light today and get your first month free at greenlight.com/pod. My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friends still laugh at me to this day. Not everyone gets B2B. But with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. Get a hundred dollar credit on your next ad campaign. Go to linkedin.com/results to claim your credit. That's linkedin.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. LinkedIn, the place to be to be. You knew the offense. They were running very well. You knew the coordinator. He was dead at Louisville with you. What was his name again? Will Stein. Will Stein. Yes, sir. So gets rid of the football. A big thinker loves to change plays on and on and on. And all of that just says Sean. It's has Sean Payton all over. And not that I believe what I listen on or here on TV all the time, but it sounds like Bo Nix is really turning out right now, you know, it's off season, but kind of being the guy they thought he would be. So that's who I think I'll win that job. Yeah, and honestly, it could play out either way. I'm excited for them. I wouldn't be upset, really, if it was Jared said him to star, because I do believe in Jared said him his ability to. But yeah, I agree with you in the sense that I feel like ultimately yes, Bo Nix will be in that starting lineup and he will be getting substantial amount of reps to get that experience. But fully trust in, you know, Sean Payton though, to make sure that he brings his quarterback along where he thinks it's necessary. And also give him enough credit to as a play caller to play the game for that rookie to make sure that he is comfortable in making good decisions and not overwhelming him, you know, too soon with a, you know, a heavy play sheet. Well, think about this way too. If it is Bo Nix starting, you know, Jared Stidham, you know, whatever, it's kind of like, okay, let's give him a chance at the end of the game to pull one out for us, right then go right back to the other quarterback. I mean, I think I don't think that would happen as much there as it would maybe with the Raiders. Yeah, but it's just a thought ahead since we talked about it with the Raiders. Yeah. Okay, so we agree there. That's pretty good. Yeah, here we go. Number two, I have Justin Herbert of the, you know, of the Chages and the Chages. Yeah, I mean, I can't wait to see many things. And you know this more than me. I'll be quick. No, one, what, Harbaugh, it's real. Yeah, I mean, we all thought he's a kook and whatever, you know, we had all these thoughts about him over the years. But he has got it. I mean, he has a magic touch. And you know, I think I went back and just paid attention more to the days when he was in San Francisco and saw what he did with that dynamic out there and that football team and covered him in the Super Bowl. I remember saving Alex Smith's career, you know, I mean, Vernon Davis saving their career. I mean, just, you know, I started calling Kaepernick, you know, and then of course, calling Kaepernick kind of changed the way that everyone viewed the quarterback position and also to Greg Roman, not getting the credit he deserves for those moves and for that. Yeah, keep going. No, it's okay. You know, Greg, go ahead and talk about Greg Roman. First off, what the hell is everybody thinking about the NFL should have been hired as a coordinator one. And I thought he should have been a head coach. Yeah. And I mean, he's, you told me this, you know more than me. I covered him many times with the Baltimore Ravens. But you were under him a little bit and you just said he is just a unbelievable worker, organized and thoughtful and creative. I mean, you couldn't say enough great things about him. So tell us a little more. Yeah. I mean, it just, you know, when I was there in Buffalo with him, he was the offensive coordinator there for Rex Ryan. They had just brought Tyrod Taylor from Baltimore, who was a seasoned backup at that time behind Joe Flacco. Greg Roman convinces Rex Ryan to bring up Tyrod and says, Hey, this guy is a starting NFL quarterback and we can build an offense around him. You know, long story short, Tyrod and that team go to the playoffs and Tyrod's a pro ball quarterback. And I think, you know, Greg Roman, his ability to really, he was that first experience that I had of just really being super tactical in setting plays up, building plays, really choreographing the way that he would design his offense, right to kind of set the tone one way, allow the defense to react. And then having those five or six plays that that work its way off of that and really just throw the defense off. And a lot of that was surround formations. The complication of his run game, which is something that I think is really going to be exciting to with this, with this running back room is just like they are going to be super sophisticated in the run game is going to take tremendous pressure off of Justin Herbert from just dropping back and being super dynamic as a thrower all the time. And that will then allow him, I think, to be that much more dynamic when it is his time, because Greg Roman's really going to doctor it up and give him great opportunities to make explosive plays down the field with that running game with that play design. Great, great thoughts really well done. And I just got to say this too. Yeah. He created the greatest run game in history. Right. I talked to defensive coordinators in that time. Yeah. And they would just just go, Oh my, they just, it's unbelievable. They were like, Oh my God, let's just make sure Lamar doesn't run the ball. That's all they could think. But it didn't matter. But it was like people going this way, people going that way, blocking, getting angles. I mean, it was on. And you know what happened? But you always know it's great when this with the NFL is trying to copy what you're doing. Right. And a lot of people did, but they realized, you know, to create these great run schemes, that takes what 10 times longer than it does to create a past play in the NFL. Right. You know, run plays are intricate, lots of variables to them, whatever. But Greg, so they did that. And then we had to hear this from the pundits on TV. Well, he's just not helping Lamar Jackson enough. Oh, when an MVP. Yeah, that, you know, the number one seed. Oh, I don't know what else do you want? He wins. Yeah, you're right. Wednesday MVP, they leave the league and rushing. They set records. Right. And Lamar was playing great. But that wasn't good enough. Because we need they overlooked that we need him to throw so we can really talk about no, and this is where it kind of goes like, and this is what's great to, I think, for Justin Herbert, because I think everyone at home, we know how great he is, right? We know the talent that he is. He is a little bit of what we discussed in the NFC West show, not too long ago, right? Of that. Justin Herbert has the qualities of a Matthew Stafford, but was never really given all the other surrounding pieces to be like, wow, this guy really is that fantastic of a football player. Yeah. Now that you introduce Harbaugh, you introduce Greg Roman, right? You get Joe Alt now to be that anchor on that left side of the offensive line. This is a group that we're going to finally see what Justin Herbert is all about. And we're really going to see him now kind of take that, you know, quote unquote next step in his game, because it's not going to be all on him. He's going to have a team that's really well designed and structured, tough as hell. We know that for sure about all the Harbaugh teams. It doesn't matter what Harbaugh you're talking about, right? They're out there. He's probably the toughest one of them all. So, you know, I think they got a lot of great things going for them. It's a great thing for Justin Herbert. It's a great thing for the skill group and Greg Roman, I think, is a huge piece for it. What Greg Roman has done with, you know, Andrew Luck, Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Lamar Jackson. I mean, I brought a tailor, you know, so let's be real. This guy has done a lot of really good things, right, for these guys offensively. And I think Harbaugh understands that. And the way he was probably one of the first phone calls he made when he got that job out there in Los Angeles. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure he did. I'll say this. When you watch the Chargers play the last couple of years. Yeah. And I would do it. And I, you know, whatever, I complain, I said, when a team doesn't have an answer to the Blitz where they can't pick it up, they don't have the right scheme, you have no chance of winning big games. And I, it just seemed like it was week after week. Chargers, everybody complained, oh, but, you know, Justin Herbert's not doing it when it counts. And I would watch those games that I can think about. The Cowboys and the Miami Dolphins, there was many, but those came about. He's, they're shredding the defenses. The Chargers are doing great. Then the end of the game, the other team starts the Blitz. No answers, sack, sack, throw away, game over. I mean, and then, oh, Justin Herbert's got to come through in those spots. You can't come through when you don't pick up blitzes. No doubt. Or even have a thought process that shows that we have a plan for. And that's what really is most annoying, right? It's not like Justin Herbert is choosing, like, oh, let me just sit back here and just get annihilated, you know, by free runners all day. So, but we do know though, we do know that Justin Herbert, he's athletic. He throws a great on the run. He throws one of the best deep balls in the game. And he's the tough SOB like you were saying, right? And that's where I made that comparison with Matt Stafford. A lot of Matt Stafford qualities to now. Okay. Matt Stafford found Sean McVay later in his career. Justin Herbert, luckily for him a little bit earlier on in his career, but I think he is going to have that big of a change, right? As far as the trajectory of how we feel about him from now on. Well, I think you and I talking about a few minutes before we did this on the year. I think the one thing I said, you agreed. I'm just can't wait. Or I want to see how this really evolves and how it works for Justin Herbert, because he's not Lamar Jackson. We know that running the football and he's such a big tall guy. You got to be a little careful too. So this is going to be, I can't wait to see this. Here's my other thought. Did you hear what they were talking about? Their conditioning test or whatever they did in out there and charge your land? Yeah. And and Jim Harbaugh just gushed about Justin Herbert. So you can tell it's kind of like that what he did with the 49ers. I was going to say early when I went to that super well, when they were playing Baltimore, right, when I watched some practice, I go, this is the greatest looking team I ever seen. Right. Right. You know what I mean? You just go, wow, everything was wow. No, that well, the 49ers teams, they were scary looking when they came on the field. Yeah. And I'll tell you, just from my experience of watching the national championship games, the Rose Bowl and that it, you know, there was no doubt Michigan was the better looking football team when they walked on the field. You know, they just had a look of like, damn, every kid does even play because he looks like he's an all American, you know, so it's just they have a great look to them. And I think that's something that, you know, it's very personal too to both the Harbaughs, really, because it doesn't seem to be a common trend with both of them and their football teams that they are physically imposing looking teams. They really play against them. Yeah, it's going to be great. You know, the Chargers, for as long as even I was in the league, oh, they're soft, you know, that when they say that, you know, which is a terrible word to say about any NFL team, but they were so much about throwing the football. They lack physicality. Physicality. Yeah. I have a hard time saying it words. I don't say it too often. All right. So we both got him at number two and number one. Oh, man, you know, it was close. It was really close, but we gave it to the home. Yeah, you know, so I just pity, you know, I felt pity for him. So I just put him at one, you know, and you know, of course, we're very concerned. Everybody's very concerned. Who's going to catch the ball this year? Well, I really heard them last year. I tell you, just tore their team apart. The only, well, that's right. They want to serve both. Well, that that's what's so cool. I think about Patrick Mahomes now too. Yes. And Andy Reed. Yes. Is that they really have kind of found that secret sauce to where it doesn't matter. Right. He is just, I go back to that, that Baltimore Ravens game, which I think to me was kind of like one of those where I'm like, damn, they, they're going to win the Super Bowl because if they can beat this team the way that they did, I mean, there he is 35 of 30 or 31 for 250 yards or something like that and just dinking and dunking, creating plays with his feet and just keeping the Baltimore Ravens defense on the field. Nothing special, nothing crazy. No, no, you know, gadget plays like we see from Andy Reed, just him being super surgical with his decision-making and his accuracy. And that's where I'm like, man, this guy, we might be watching the greatest of all time, right? Play the position. I know Tom Brady's awesome, but like, we might be seeing kind of like a Michael Jordan type of character in sports right now in the game of football with Patrick Mahomes in his performance these last few years. Well, Matt, let's just say this. He was not being, it wasn't, it wasn't turned out to be a good year for them or for Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. And then they came to this realization, we got to play a different way. Right. And I, when I'm really saying the quarterback, you know, left the pocket, pocket too early, looking for the big play too much. He started just running the offense. It was calmed down. It was more surgical. The turnovers went, they linked up what he had one interception during the playoffs. Yeah, none against Miami, none against the Bills, not against Baltimore. And he had one in the Super Bowl, one in the Super Bowl, just the way he played the plays. And the biggest thing is, who I heard Andy Reed talking about this, but he controlled his throwing, you know, the speed of the ball. You know, listen, all those drops. I watched, like I've said many times said, on this part, I watched them all. And I said, Jesus, I would never want the guy who grades all these drops, grating me for anything, because those drops, I mean, come on, the guys are sliding in their hands. And that's a drop, whatever, it doesn't matter. But they just got back and he started throwing the ball with the right speed on the pass. Yeah, I think that was really important. He threw some that were dropped. Nobody could have caught him. He threw him so hard. Right. I mean, not many play it, not many quarterbacks have that problem, but he could throw it so hard that they just couldn't handle it. And I heard Andy Reed during this offseason doing an interview. It was awesome. He goes, Patrick, my homes. He's never been around anybody like it. Of course, he goes, he can throw all day, every day, and he never gets tired. Right. He has conditioned himself. Now his motion has turned out to be fantastic. He's got it. He's really controlled, got it gets his body into it, all that stuff, but throws it more sidearm than people like to give it credit for. I love that too. When I even I'm coaching young QBs, you know, hey, throw your throw the arm like a little, little more sidearm. Don't worry about getting so vertical on your release. Oh, I don't want to do that. Coach says I have a low release. Well, does your coach watch passion from homes on Sunday, you know, because if we're not trying to imitate the best in the world, then what the hell are we doing, you know? Yeah, no, I always have this thought. Show me somebody throws really over the top and I'll show you somebody sitting on the bench. You know, okay, you know, you watch here. There's a, I got a picture right here. Here we go. This is working out great. I cut these. I cut them out because I want to show young kids. So over the top, look at Aaron Rodgers here here. We don't see it. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, hold on. There you go. Oh my God. Look at that. It's wide and it's still high, but he has his feet plate, but it just shows you he's going to go around it. Right. Not over the top. Look where his hand is. Yeah, you know, so that's the other thing too. Oh, get on top of the football, you know, whatever, but yeah, I love watching videos of all the teachers and I see these things. I go, yeah, okay, that's great. Yeah, that's one of the funniest things about Phil Simms getting introduced to Instagram. He's seeing all these QB coaches out there and he's like, oh, these guys are idiots. Kill me, man. It kills me too, man. It's all good. And to go back for our theme, though, right here, just what you were saying, which I think is a great point. Patrick was maybe trying to be too dynamic of a thrower. And then after that Las Vegas Raiders game, he really started to understand I just got to be a great passer of the football, right, for this particular football team. And what they do, they go out there, they get Xavier worthy, they get Hollywood Brown, right? They have Travis Kelsey, of course, hopefully now with these other two involved in the offense, we can finally get to see a little bit more from Skymore and Justin Watson. So this is a team that, you know, is constantly improving and getting better and finding ways to win and with Patrick Holmes at the top of the pyramid with Andy Reed, you know, they, they're going to get whoever is involved. Right. You know, and I love to the dynamic of Isaiah Pacheco in the backfield being physical and strong and just running, you know, as intensely as he is, because I feel like he's just a great balance to all the other finesse things that they do extremely well. Yeah. Yeah. And so it was, that was an interesting transformation we saw late in the year by the Kansas City Chiefs. And it'll be interesting. I would think they'll start out right that same way, you know, and of course, I think too, you know, Matt, the game management, the play calls, working the clock, everything, they did all of that against the Baltimore Ravens. They were engine that game right from the start, right, trying to slow it down, because let's be honest, you know, when I looked at those teams, I go, the Ravens are physically the better team. Yes. And, you know, so they played right into that hand. The Kansas City Chiefs, we are going to fight from start to finish. That was really evident. But how they manage the game and how Patrick Mahomes managed himself was really big keys and why just a couple reasons why they won. So sure. For sure. That's it. Have you seen their, their Super Bowl ring? I think I did. Yeah. I mean, it's just unbelievable. It's got a few more diamonds than your Super Bowl ring. I know. They could take our Super Bowl rings and put them inside their Super Bowl rings these Super Bowl rings are unbelievable. No, they're amazing. They really are. This one is super special, but yeah. So it's Patrick Mahomes number one in the AFC West for sure. Number one in the NFL. I mean, let's be honest, he's the best quarterback in the game right now. And the AFC West though, just to kind of go back to that list again, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, you know, then you have the Broncos and Raiders and kind of what where they'll play the quarterback position. But I know one thing, a lot of really good offensive minds in this group here too. You know, and it's a West is interesting, but AFC West. Wow. I mean, Andy Reed and the boys there, you know, Herbert now with Roman, right? And just the physicality that they bring to that table along with just, you know, his thought process. And then Sean Payton, one of the better offensive minds that the NFL has ever seen. So it's this this division's got its work cut out for sure for slowing down these offenses weekend and week out. Yeah, good luck. As once this year gets rolling, I'm telling you it's good. It's but hey, it's going to be fun. We're getting there to the time. I'm looking at training camps in a couple of weeks, what about three weeks? We're going to have people going to camp. So it's going to be great. Can't wait to see, you know, I, I'm one of those guys and there's a lot of us. I don't mean to say it that way. I love watching preseason football. Yeah, I really do. And I, I'm not going to say I watch all four quarters every time. Because sometimes man, that fourth quarter comes are just like, come on, let's get out of here. But I believe in it. I believe in it for the starters to get enough action to really feel like what it is. You can never duplicate it in practice. I don't care what you do, because in practice, why is it different? Because nothing counts. Yeah. So all the corners great. He's oh, yeah. But what if somebody runs by him? Is he? See, they don't worry about that practice as much. And again, can't you be deep? You know, yeah, yeah, it happens for all the players at every position. So, but it's going to be fun. A lot of good QB's in this league. It was fun talking about them. And I think that's it. You got anything else? We're almost done. We still, we still got the NFC East and the NFC, the NFC East and AFC East to do for our quarterback rankings for division. So we're almost there. So clear your schedule just a little bit. So I can be part of it. I'll be ready to do it. All right. All right. Whatever you say, man, we're glad that you're back. Matt, Matt, Matt, can you can you do the? Can we do the smart? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I'm good from from 11 to 11 15. Is that good? No, let's go be more efficient, bro. All right. I got stuff to do. All right, man. Good job. Good job. Well, I'll talk to you. 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