Monsters Up North Podcast
Monsters up North - Wolf Creek
It's a perfect night for Mystery and Horror, the air itself is filled with monsters. Children of the Night, what music they need. Well hello all you monster fiends and thank you for joining us for another deep dive Factoid Field episode exploring Hollywood's most famous monsters. I am your monstrous sort of Chara Monies, er sir. And I am joined. It is always by Dan from Belidean Marvelous. Say hello Dan. I love milk. Oh my god. Oh my god. I forgot about that. That's going to haunt me to the day I die. Well fucking well if you keep bringing it up. I love milk. Me too. Hi. Hi. Hi everyone, thanks for joining us for another episode of the Monsters up North, a podcast. This week we're going to go on Ozzionia, throw another shrimp on the barbie. And that's not a knife. It's not a knife. That seeing has all new meaning now. Yep. All new meaning. I always took the Simpsons reference. It's not a knife. This is a knife. I think you'll find that a spoon mate. I think you'll find that's a spoon mate. I see you've played knifey spoonie before there. Sorry, my Australian accent. I actually have family who my family all moved to Australia. So sorry apologies in advance. Not to bring the laughter down a bit, but I just wanted to mention as, because as of recording it has just been announced that the horror icon herself, Shelley Deval has passed away, 76, 75, 76, you think I'd be a bit more prepared? I was more interested in our actual love life than her date, 75, 75. Really really sad. I was talking to someone earlier at work about her and I just, I really hope she found peace. Yeah. I really hope in whatever way that was to her, she found peace and she enjoyed the remaining years of our life because I know, we all know from the press and Dr. Phil that she didn't, she didn't have it, she didn't have it easy, but did you know, he's an interesting thing I read to do. She was married to Paul Simon. Simon and Garfunkel. But so was, yeah, yeah, how did he meet her? How the hell did him and Carrie Fishernge? Through Shelley Deval, Shelley introduced her friend Carrie to her husband Paul and Carrie did what Elizabeth Taylor did to her parents. Oh, Paul. Yes. Ooh, and then Paul went on to marry Chevy Chase and do, you can call me out. By the way, one of my top five favourite songs. Really? I love it. It just makes me happy. Like, it's a song that when it comes on, when I was a kid, I used to love that video of him and Chevy doing the dance and the saxophone and the walking up backwards wards. So I can safely say, I've met one half of that group. No, I met Chevy Chase. So I'm like... Oh, my gosh. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I knew he was going to be a miserable bastard and he lived up to every single second of my expansion and I was so happy I was so happy. I was going to say something. Oh, yeah, Paul, Simon and Garfunkel were like the staple of music in my house because my mother loves them. And I hated every second bridge over troubled water over there. I love them now. I literally play a Simon and Garfunkel while I am cooking and my mum rang us one time and she went, "What is that I hear?" And I was like, "I don't know what you mean." Well, I can say there's two songs, obviously the sound of silence is massive because disturbs brought it back and disturbed the bloody conversion of it. Bloody good job. But the boxer is probably up there for me. I love the boxer and I love scarf affair as well. I know it's not Simon and Garfunkel, it's more Paul Simon because my mum loves Paul Simon but I love Cecilia. I just makes me think of badness. Really? Because I did the cover, didn't I? Badness did the cover, Cecilia. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Yes, Cecilia is good that you did forget about it. So, yeah, I just wanted to make mention of, because obviously she is, for all she is huge in the horror world, it's not just what she was famous for. We were just talking before, she was olive oil in Popeye and her big part was obviously in Stanley Kubrick's The Shining. Wendy Torrance. Thank you, I completely forgot what I name was there. I was just going to call her Mrs. Torrance. So, resting absolute peace, Shelley Duval, legend. So after that, sincere moment, we are going to get in to the massacre, that is Wolf's Creek. But before I do that, I'm going to give the disclaimer out. Yeah. Sure. Everything discussing today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone. If you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, please come and join us on our Facebook pages, their Discord or the comments section, where we can have an open discussion. But what we've won't have is anyone coming for us and tell us our opinions are wrong. We can all agree to disagree in horror. So, let's keep it fun, keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of nerdism. Don't be a dick. Oh, you go that way? Yes. Over there. This is quite a small intro, to be honest with you. So, Wolf's Creek is the 2005 Australian horror film written, co-produced and directed by Glenn McLean, starring John Jarrish, Nathan Phillips, Cassandra McGrath and Kesti Morrissey. Hopefully I've said that right. How can you be found when no one knows you're missing? The thrill is in the hunt, as Monsters of North brings you Wolf's Creek. That was two taglines in one, 'cause it's not a great deal I could go off with on the intro without just going, "Well, this film is about." Yeah. It's about me to your whole. Don't say that, you're confuses. Well, that's what the original, when you see all the helicopter shots, 'cause obviously drones weren't readily available in 2005 to the extent that we used, they use them in movie making now. It was helicopter shots that they used, and the helicopter shot of the meteor crate, which is actually, it is actually called Wolf Creek, but it has an E on it, whereas the movie doesn't have an E at the end of Wolf, so it is actually the second biggest meteor preservation site. First one is in Arizona, and the Aboriginal name for the crater. Now, apologies to anybody if I butcher this. Just know that I am trying, I'm not trying to be rude. The name is Candie Malal, in Aboriginal, Candie, K-A-N-D-I, and it's basically the second most preserved site basically of meteor impact on Earth. So I just thought that was really interesting, 'cause I was like, you can tell it's a meteor hit, you can see it, blatantly, but for it to be as preserved and looked after as it is like a land, like a place people can go to, and the fact that it's so far away from anything, like you have to go hours off the road to find this thing. So, it's, it's something, it's something, it's, I don't know what's best to do first, should we just dive into the movie and just pick up as we go along? We can do, I mean, what I will preface this is saying, is that it's classed as, now last week we were talking about exploitation films with basket case, this one is classed as an ospoitation, an Australian exploitation, like what I was gonna do. Ospoitation film, which I thought was brilliant, because it does have the moniker as being Australia's highest grossing R-rated movie ever, on domestic box office in Australia. Nothing has been it. Oof, on my initial watch, 'cause I watched it for the first time on Tuesday, on my initial watch I went forward, not a great deal happens, that's my initial, yeah, that's my initial feeling is like, not a great deal happened, I don't particularly care about some of these people, but I do care about him. I actually felt very hard for the male figure in this, I thought he was fantastic, I genuinely cared about him, and I thought it was Coravid first, when I looked at, oh my god, is this why she picked it? It's not quite, it's not just in playing business, it's not out of care, this is, this was Nathan Phillips, and Nathan is, now the common denominator between the three teenagers or early 20s, I don't know, backpackers, is that they've all been in and had characters in neighbours, every single one of them, they're all Australian and they've all had characters in neighbours. The only one that was in home in a way was, it kept, I can't, apologies because her name is... Kesti Morasi, she was also in home in a way, but Nathaniel was actually also in something that I knew in Nathan, I kept thinking, I know he's faced me with something, I know it from something else, like he's faced on a plane, he's the main guy in snakes on a plane with something else, it has been a fucking day since I have seen that fellow, yeah, get these fucking plates, they've got nothing, what a plane, it's just genius, and yes, my initial thoughts were not a great deal happened there, but as I was talking it out with my husband in the car, I realised, oh actually, a great deal happened, a lot of plot point, a lot of storytelling, to make me actually interested, so when it did come down to the horror aspect of it, it was fucking brutal, but how do I feel, because the guy who's doing it is super duper friendly, I don't know how I feel about this and then I was like, okay, I can't wait again, I can't wait for this episode to hash all this out. Yeah, I mean, they were very, very clever with the casting, because the way that they got Ben as the figurehead, even though he was the brow beating one out of the three of them, because he was just going along with what the other two wanted, because he was just looking for an experience, like he just wanted to enjoy life, life, yeah, I mean, they slept on beaches, the exposition is about an hour long of how these three live their lives, or how they are living their lives, it's about an hour of them showing them getting a car and wanting to travel Australia, anyone who isn't familiar is that Australia is, this percentage is very, very wrong when I say this, but it's about 80%, nothing, like when I'm saying nothing, I mean dust, desert, bush, scrub land, it's, the territories themselves like one farmer can own hundreds of thousands of acres and never stepped on half of it. It's insane, I mean, Rob's best friend, Henry, him and his wife, Ellie, they work on a station out in Australia, and they have horses and they have a farm out there, but they're responsible for hundreds of thousands of acres, and they just, they never have to hop off of it because it smiles and smiles and smiles. We've been walking for miles. What is that off, IT crowd? We've been walking for fucking miles. I have my family, I don't know how it started, but at a certain age, they just up sticks and fuck off to Australia, but I'd say a day, say about 60%, 70% of my family are there now, and spread out all across Australia. The youngest being my cousin, Elliot, who went over at 18, and at the ripe old age of 30, and already, he's got to be at least 31-ish now, became a Australian citizen, dual citizenship actually, and yeah, they're just up sticks and stuff. My great aunt moved over there years and years ago, so I've got a whole selection of cousins and stuff, second cousins and all sorts of aunties and uncles and whatnot, and they all live in Australia. It was so cool because my dad's a cousin, Kim, over from her, his two daughters are both Australian, never step foot over here, but when he's first daughter was little, he wanted to bring a rover for Christmas, family, day to come and see the family, and get her baptized because we're, well, I say we, they are, they're kind of cool. So he brought a rover, and the minute she got in a new castle, she started chattering, and she couldn't stop chattering for years afterwards, she's never felt temperature like this before. Australia does not have this temperature, and she was absolutely great, imagine. And the other, so she's got such a, like, I would say a very English name, the other one has such an Australian name, she's called Talia. I can just hear them saying it. So the, the film does kick off, it's set in 1999, and it's before it was made. Oh, I don't even, to be honest, I don't even think the time, the time of when it is made any difference. No, because that could have, it, it could have been yesterday, but now the only thing that they didn't have was mobile phones, but then they won't work out in half of Australia anyway. I, I love films when mobile phones are not even an issue, they're not even like a thought. Yeah. Take off too much of our lives, and, and you get to meet straight away your, now, I thought there was more girls than they actually was. Right. I thought there was at least three or four of them, but when you get to the nooks and crannies of it all, it's, I think they said nooks and fun. Well, you wouldn't be wrong, I mean, you'd just be honest, and there's only two. Yeah. But I thought, I definitely, I was like, I'm sure there's, if the party there was, there was more people there. There was, that's actually. They could buy party from being wherever they were before. I could not live that life, I'm not going to lie. I, I have a sense of need to know that I have a booth over my head. When I start. I like me bed too much. I'm not really a no-med lifestyle fly by the seat of my pants first, and I'm quite organised and everything would scare me if I had to. Don't get me wrong, if you get pissed on a night out and there's loads of you in this beach party and you'll fall asleep on the beach, that's one thing. But go into a somewhere where you have no, do you just have no end game? No, there's no, there's no, that as someone who struggles with having an obsessive compulsive order and a need for order and a need for just, yeah, information. It's really, really difficult for me to wrap my head around, but I understand that people enjoy that. And I think it's always really nice and refreshing to watch it when they're not able to people with it as well. They decided to make two of the girls British, didn't they? They did, they did. Took me here just to realise that wasn't Keira Knightley. I actually thought she was really English as well. As she thought. It's either Keira or Dizzy Ridley, I was like, which one are you? Yeah, she, Liz, that's the one. Liz, I actually really thought was British and she's not, she's an Aussie as well. All three of them are Australian. Oh, you could not tell. So, I want to call her Christie because that was her character name. Yeah, Dizzy then tried to see her name. Yeah, Christie and Liz were both Australian, but they played British and Ben was Australian obviously. Yeah. Well, so yeah, we get to meet the main people. Now, I just want to go on to this ever so slightly before we get into the film is what, when it says it's based on a true story. It is, actually, you know, when I was reading about it, it is quite coarse-minded. It's not, I know that a lot of them tried to like play it down like, oh, it's, you know, it's not really what, it fucking is. It's off the backpack murders, it's free killing from, that happened in New South Wales, Australia, between 1989 and 1983, Ivan Millet, nasty bastard he was. I've even got a photo of him look, nasty. What a tash. That's a chopper, chop, chop, tash, isn't it? Yeah. That is a handle bar mustache at its finest, all of your people won't be able to see it, but it's fine. You can Google it. It's not an offensive photo, it's a mug shot photo. Yeah. I don't know, well, how many did he kill? They think, I think it was seven, he was suspected of, but he never admitted to any of them. Right. Right. Got you. So he would, it was mainly backpackers. This is a bodies of seven, missing young people, aged between 19 and 22, discovered partially buried in the Belangalore, state forest, 15 kilometre kilometre. Couple of kilometres, southwestern New South Wales, five of the victims were foreign backpackers, three German, two British, and two were Australian from Melbourne. He was convicted of the murders in '96, sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences, and the motherfucker died of natural causes in 2019. Yep. And the similar things happened, like when they went to his house, he had a room of possessions that weren't his. He wanted to blame, because the story about him is kind of sad, like when you look at it, and I will always say this, the killer is a child is a child, the killer is a child hasn't premeditated any of this is possibly knocking around in some form of trauma in his brain, but it's still a child. Okay. So as a child, he was brought up as one, he was number five of 14 kids. Yeah. I mean, 14, Jesus, it's bad enough of a woman, fighting for any kind of anything in school, you know, to be in there somewhere was difficult enough. And he was sent to reform school and he was 13, obviously the behaviour to get noticed and the need for attention started. And then he went into detention centers when he was 17, he just paid crimes, paid crimes, paid crimes. And then he started with B&E, as he got a little bit older, and then he went into the territory of kidnap, which was when he first started, like he kidnapped two 18-year-old hitchhikers, and then he committed grape on one of them as well. So he escalated from pay crime. Well, that's how it starts. Yeah. Bundy didn't just go out and murder someone straight away. It was a build up. They're always a build up because it's the, and it comes down to the thrill of it. And can you, if I can get away with this, what can I get away with next? And to the point where it escalates. And I didn't go in a deep, like a too much of a deep dive on him. I did get quite a fan of story and the story was really interesting, it was just one story and they explained some of the injuries and the things he used to do, which I don't know if I want to go into. I mean, I've got it here, but when we're looking at Mick, yeah, quite similar. It's not necessarily depicted in the movies, but it's the same level of brutality and the same level of callousness and just, I'm trying to think of the word I'm looking for, it's the one where, you know, someone can take themselves out of a situation. Oh, yeah. You know, they know the mental rights. Yeah, but they know they're aware of doing it and there's a purpose it's serving for something. But the actual normal, you know, the moral goal just doesn't exist and that's what they came down to. It's like some sort of sociopathy, sociopathy, like, it's where they can separate themselves from the, they can separate themselves from the situation. It's like the trauma becomes them for a certain, certain part of time, but then they can quite easily flip it back to what would be deemed as normal. Yeah. You find that a lot with serial killers. Well, the saddest thing was he tried to blame his, all the murders on his brothers as well, harsh, which was, obviously you fight a lot in a family that large and you're going to have enemies and it just turned out that unfortunately these brothers were his enemies and well, so he thought, and used to try and do that. But the weirdest thing was when he was in prison, he cut off his little finger, with a plastic knife. So we're talking one of those little white ones with a serrated edge. Imagine having the ability to do that without passing out from the pain. I mean, we're talking about a plastic serrated. I'm going to pass out by you just telling us it. He thought it would help them, help the courts, give him some sort of leniency, some sort of appeal. I don't know whether it was based on like insanity or madness. Yeah. Something like that. But it didn't end. It didn't end well for him. They didn't grant him an appeal. He also asked the government to pay for his funeral when he died, and they said get, as it's Australia, get fucked mate. You can get in the fucking bin, literally. Yeah. And the saddest thing genuinely was that no matter how much he was taught, how much he talked to press, they ended up putting a gag order on him and told him he wasn't allowed to discuss it. I have a minute was he never admitted in the 20 years until he died or something like it was since he committed the murders, never admitted to killing one person, just blamed everybody else. Which is a pretty messed up kind of story to stumble upon, let alone base the movie loosely on. Yeah. It's a sad thing when people of that nature still has that control, because if someone is not going to admit to her, I guess he's in prison and he's served time for it. But for families and the victims, families, there's no confirmation there, there's no clarity there. We will never understand because we've never been put in that position, but people need to know. Yeah. It's important to know what happened to your loved one. Yeah. And there was another murderer as well, who's a different, he had a different name and I've forgotten what it is, because really I don't fucking care because you shouldn't get any of my airtime really, I don't know, I'm only focusing on this for context. Yeah. But he was the one who was responsible for killing the British backpackers in 2005, it was roughly when the film came out, because they asked the film to be released a bit later once the verdict had come out, because it was right in the middle of the court case. I don't know if anybody remembers, but at a point there was a two backpackers in a, like a people carrier, a CW, there was going around Australia and doing what they do, and this guy approached them with the guys of telling them that their back axle was sparking, there was issues with the car from behind, so they pulled over and he pulled over and the guy came out and they started talking and he was like, "No, no, no, this is happening, your car is broken." Next thing you know, she had a pop and the partner was killed and she was, I think she was held captive for a little while, but eventually they are the rescuers, she got loose, I can't remember the monitor of that one, but she survived, I do know that. Yeah, I remember that. When you mentioned it came back, there's nods to the camper van and the couple in this film also, so it's kind of like, the choices that he's made with it is, there's some nods to it, and I don't think it's been done like a glorified something, I don't think it's been done that way, but there's the mine shaft, did you see that bit, where they went past the mine shaft company and it's Ivan Millett's name reversed on itself? No, I did so. Yeah, the mining company was the murderer from the first story that I told you, his name in some sort of palindrome or some sort of way of like mixing it up, I can't remember if it was like something like that, like an anagram or something, but it was his name because he wanted to drop little hints to show that he nodded to the source material, but he wasn't playing directly. Directing it, yeah, oh, there's such a fine line isn't there, and I know that the, I read, I know, I read that the crew found an abandoned mine, which was, that unbeknownst to them, was actually a crime scene. This is why my bed is so appealing, it's why you stick to the cities and you don't go to the outback, that, no thank you at all. So there is a very long period of time from the beginning up until when you meet Mick. Yes. And holy shit, is he if been handful of a person? He reminds me of someone and I cannot for the life of us, like thinking who it is. Well, I, I found something to say what Glenn based him on, and Greg, sorry, based him on, and I'm just going to find it for you now. Yeah, he crafted aspects of mitt Taylor's personality after Australian pop culture. Guys, like Steve over with, I can see where he's coming from. I'm just looking at the lobby. I could see where, where he's coming from. Yeah, I, yeah, to make him like a ball, because he had to crash them. That's the thing. The thing that people don't understand is a lot of it is charm and charisma, as charm and charisma. Oh, that's the thing, and this is where the, the, that's not a knife. This is a knife, I am, that came in through the fact that the girls kept saying he reminds me of Crocodile Dundee, he reminds me of Crocodile Dundee, so then they had a line in the movie as a nod, so there is such an element of comedy. When Mick comes on, it's actually a bit of a relief. You know you're watching a horror film, yeah, instantly know, and they are in the middle of fucking, but, crack nowhere, like there's nothing, their car is all fucked up, and it's, they are saved, saved by a very friendly man in a van who offers to take them back to his place, but absolutely nothing, or they can wait it out and see what happens. Now, it's such a, what I really, really loved about the, the part where you get to get the normake and it's got such a sense of humor, and then all of a sudden, they're getting in the car and that, and it just flips instantly, and she is tied up, and the movie has changed on its arse in a second, you haven't even had time to consider what has happened, you are instantly in that moment with her, where she is tied up on the floor. Well, they have that bit around the fire, don't they? The come fire, yeah. Yeah, they come back, they've been, they've gone out on their own, they've decided they're going to stop at Wolf Creek, just as a, let's have a look, so they go up, they walk up, they have a look, they come back down their car, don't start, stranger comes, it's Mick, he tells them, oh, come with me, I'll sort you out, pose them back, they're at the fire, they're sitting around the fire, and there's this one bit where you can see a glimmer of what mix intentions are, and whether you see it or not, on the first watch, I don't know if you will be, there was something where the girl said something about, I think it was something like mosquitoes, or they didn't like something in the, a kangaroo, there was a conversation about kangaroos, and he said, he says they're bloody vermin, you know, and then he starts going on about how he used to be, like a gamekeeper, like a rodent pest, he starts listing off all the animals he used to kill, and they were like, oh, you don't kill kangaroos, do you or something like that, and he turned around and he went, yeah, I'd exterminate him, just like tourists, and there's this, oh yes, I remember that line, like a tiny little line, that's not verbatim by the way, but it's something to do, like a lot of times of that, and it's just a tiny little line, and they all look at him and he's dead pan, there's nothing there, there's nothing between, behind his eyes, he's changed from that comedy guy with that really disturbing laugh, but he's fine, that person's gone and you just see that glimmer, and then he starts, he slaps out of it, he realises, and then instantly puts the laugh back on again, I remember that, but then he gets him to drink the special milk, and to me, I'm not paying attention to that, he's just give them a drink, they're having a laugh, and then she's all tied up and gagged up, it's the transform from one to the other, and it's so severe, there's no in between, it's because they were having a good time around the campfire, and the last thing you see is her saying that Ben moved the cooler away from the fire, and then you're there, she's in this camper and she's tied up and you know, we're at this point where we're like, when you just come in somewhere, but I didn't know me now, and I didn't know it would be, yeah, so soon, and we are in the middle of it, we're not even at the beginning, we're not at the end, we are right in the middle, where Liz wakes up from her fucking drug milk, and she didn't like milk, and she then sees Mick torturing Kirsty, she manages to escape though, doesn't she, she's all tied up and she manages to like cut her body off by the way, well, the bigger question I have is right, how long was she in there, because it looked like it started up and it was daytime, and then she fell asleep crying and woke up and then found a bit of glass, cut herself free of like the, the vines, the vines and jumps out the window, and I thought, well okay, he hadn't really thought this through if he didn't put in somewhere where there was a window that can be opened, but yeah, we'll have a word about that later Mick, you know, yeah, but he, she runs around all over the place to be honest before she gets to Kirsty, how she wasn't, I mean, obviously he was preoccupied when we find out he's preoccupied, but I was like, you know, get caught, stop that, just stop it, no, I, I didn't, I didn't realise that he had gripped Kirsty, I don't know if he had at that point or he was intending to, but it was one of those things where he previously has with the other people that right is telling her that he'd, he'd brought back and, you know, had and like the, I don't know, there is a body hanging in the corner that is just a spine and some bits of torso left on it, maybe a leg or two, like a stump, I can't really remember because it's one of those things you, it's a flash image isn't it, you don't really see it doesn't work on it. It doesn't actually with that later on as well, you don't get to see the detail of things which I thought was actually quite a nice touch because we don't need to linger on that, we need to know what's there and that's fine because it sharpens that level of brutality that you know is capable of, like we were like, what the fuck did I just see, hang on a minute because you don't have time to digest it and you're like, oh my God, so your brain thinks it's probably 20 times worse than what you've just seen as well. Yeah, oh absolutely, when Kirsty's kind of like tied up being absolutely tortured physically, mentally, emotionally because she's, oh her face looks all kinds of messed up and then she comes out with this hysterical fucking laugh, I've heard that laugh, I've done that laugh. Well, it's the laugh of fucking got you your bitch and Liz is standing behind, standing behind me with a gun. Why the fuck did she not go, at least try the top of the head? Because it's a movie and people are dumb, she really was, the choices. She gets them in the neck. Yeah, I mean, if you're looking at it with the eyes of if this was real say, right, and I can't imagine. I'm saying this, I wouldn't have been able to shoot straight, I don't think he's this one. The sheer stress, the lack of sleep, the adrenaline, the heart bursting out of a chest, I mean, it'd be lucky just to press the trigger and not shoot myself, I think, you know, but in the same pain. I look, I probably would shoot my sister on my friend, whoever she is, I don't know. You don't really find out the relationship between two of them. No, I didn't pick up whether they were sisters or whether they were just friends, but I'm thinking they were more just friends because they weren't a bit familiar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it was a friendship more than anything else. But no, they didn't see it at this point. No. And that was so good, because all I kept thinking of. And this is how brilliant Ben is at the beginning because all I was like, Oh, where's Ben? How's Ben? Like, I understand what user going through. I can see what user going through, but where's Ben? Why isn't he here? What has happened to him? That's how good of a character Ben was for me, because I genuinely fucking cares about his wellbeing. Well, there's a there at the gas station where all the diner where he goes in to get something to the food and those creepy dudes are trying to like talk about feeling up the girls and he actually stands up for them. So you know that that's where he sits. So you're like, right. Okay. That's Benny's a good stand up guy. So we're okay with him, you know, I like, I like this person. Once Mick's been hitting the neck, he goes down like a sack shit and the girls run away. Good for them. They're gone. I don't get very far at all. Well Liz doesn't get very far before, who would pull a decision, Megan again? What does she want to go back for? Was she gone for her? That's the thing. I think the idea in my head would be, right. Okay. If I take the car, it's going to take another defined us because we can get away further quicker. However. She left the gun next to him and took the keys because he has a massive, there's two guns at this situation. He's got a rifle that he was wheeling around teasing Kristi with. And then there's the shotgun that she that is there as well. Like I can't remember whether she hit him with the rifle. I think she did. She hit him with the rifle and then, you know, she she gets Kristi in the car. In the truck. And she just, all of a sudden, she realized is they're screaming and screaming on that shut the fuck up. Like I give Kristi a joke. She plays mentally. Unbelievably. I can't, I don't even know the word for the state that she was in, but she played that so well that I got to the point where I was like, now please be quiet. Yeah. Please be quiet now. And I get it because the history will just completely tear go over you. It's almost like you can't control this anymore. Yeah, but you're not safe. You can't. I see like when she was sitting in there, she's like, I'm thinking you're not helping. You're probably making this it really hard for Liz to try and work out what she needs to do next. So when Liz sat there and she had no keys and she knew she had to go in and get the keys and see if they were on Mick, I was just like, Oh God, Kristi, just shut the fuck up. Just give her a second. She needs to just digest what she's got to do before she does it because he could potentially still be alive. We don't know. Exactly. Nobody knows. You only hit him in the neck. The best part about it is though, she puts Kristi in a, in a place where she's like, if I don't come back in five minutes, you go. Yeah. And I thought that's really clever because you genuinely, if you're going to put yourself in, in a risky position, you don't know what's going to happen. So give that person, don't tell them to come back for you. Tell them to go. And that's what she did. It was, Liz is downfall or gone back. Yeah. I mean, I'll give her a juice. She managed, they managed to totally his truck, didn't they, when they escaped in it, they totally his truck by pushing it off a cliff, which I thought was a stupid dick move for many, many reasons. But, you know, you just think, okay, movie. Yeah. It is the movies and they just do it with things like an onto the side of a cliff. All right. Harleywood. Oh, sorry. Australia wood. Well, the same way you see the girls and Mick pulls up. Yeah. And the girls are on the cliff and they're, you know, they're cleaning for dear life onto the side of the cliff. That was all filmed on a rig. So the cameraman's on a rig and the girls are on a rig, but they're all in the harnesses. The harnesses, the waste harnesses and everything. So they're actually cleaning onto the side of a real cliff when it was shot. And that, that scene is one of the most iconic shots. That's shot where Mick is backlit by the headlights at the top of the cliff and the girls, so you see the shadows of the girls on the cliff. That, that bit's one of the most famous clips from the, from the film. Oh, I thought it was Kirsty running down the middle of the highway. There's, there's a few, but that like of Mick, that's like one of Mick's epic shots. Um, I'll tell you, is an epic shot later on? He, um, he, yeah, he's pissed they've tailed his truck. And so it was a nice looking truck. It was a Ford F-150. It was a really old Ford F-150. I love trucks. And I don't know why, but the North East of England seems to have a lot of trucks. We, I don't know where they're fucking driving them, um, but my street alone has four. My over-the-road neighbor has a beautiful one. And there's a couple around the corner, um, and I, I said to my mum, I, I want a truck. I want to be a truck driver. She went, she'd say, it took you fucking ages to drive your car. Like, because I've only ever been used to little bitty cars. Like it, like, did he little, like I had a coarser, um, Toyota Yaris, which is fucking tiny. And, and now I'm driving a cash car and she's like, who do you think you are? Like, you're going to go in for the monster trucks next. I think the beautiful, that truck was beautiful. Yeah. I don't know whether, like, it falls into the category of a Ute. A Ute. A Ute. A Ute. But, yeah, they, they then managed to scramble up to the top of the, the hill after Mick goes down to see the, the wreckage of his baby. Um, it does say Ute in my nought. There you go. I never noticed that until now. A utility vehicle. That's the Australian shore for a Ute is. Yeah. A Ute. But yeah, so then they managed to sit there and then, and then for some reason. I don't know what, I think Liz goes back for Benda. She, she goes back for another car. I can't remember. She goes back for some. It's just by nought to see Liz leaves the hysterical Kirsty outside, Kristy, sorry, outside. Telling her, oh, this is where she tells her to escape on foot if she doesn't return in five minutes. Yeah. Sorry. It's not earlier. It's now. It's after the whole, um, Ute incident. And this is where Liz enters the garage and her mix right there. Now I forgot about this scene. I, not, and yeah, I forgot about this scene because I remembered the bit where she got in the car, but the way that was shot was quite good. The way it was shot where she was sat there, she was shaking to the extent of that she couldn't find the right key. There was loads of keys on the key ring and she finally found the key and the relief of when she finally got it to turn over and then you just hear his little like you hear a breath and then from the front screen, you don't quite see him. You see him in the shadow, but you know, it's mixed because you can see the hat. Yeah. Like you see him sort of, I can't remember if it's come out of the shadow and move forward or come up from like the back, the whole time he was in that specific vehicle knowing that she'd get in that specific vehicle and I thought it was really fucking clever. And then jam, there we go. So I actually missed the end of her kill. So because the finger incident freaked me out. So and it's quite, it's quite funny because this is the moment where he goes, you know, your friend said, this is not a night cause he, he pulls out this fucking crocodile Dundee knife. She pulls out a mini one. Yeah. Cause that's pen knife. When she was looking for the car keys, she found his trophy room. She found where all the people's possessions have been kept over the police is had over the years. And I found out that most of those pictures were of Glenn Greg's family and friends. So they just like random photos out of a photo book that he put in the room. She looks, that's to look through some of the camcorders and see what's going on. That's where she, that's where she gets to see, is it, does she see Ben? Yeah. Cause Ben does a bit of filming at one point at one of the rest stops, doesn't it? That's it. She, that's when she sees it's when the art, it's just, so just after the bought the car, it's so early on, yes, he's talking stops, they do. Yes. And he's talking to the guy at the petrol station and you can see Mick's truck. Yeah. Right next to them. You don't notice it when you see them when they're there cause you don't see him play out where he's filming it. Yeah. But when you rewatch it, his truck's there because obviously you're not looking for it. No, you know, yeah, exactly. And that's when Liz realizes that this has been planned all along. Someone's been hunting them. So this is where she finds the little piddly knife, the little Swiss army knife. And she gets, she gets, she gets it out. She tried. She tried. And that's when he does the, the, the greatest line of you think that's a knife? This is a knife. And as she puts her hands up to defend herself, he takes her fucking fingers. Yes. My toes have literally curled like that. It's what he does next. So this is what I mean because I am having an absolute melt down over the fingers. I haven't released my hands from my eyes yet. I didn't realize he severed her fucking spinal cord. Yes. Because he had a thing. He stood there and he was like, Oh, this is something they did in Vietnam. Head on a stick, head on a stick is what we kept saying, head on a stick. And he grabs her by the throat and he severs her spinal cord. So she can no longer move, walk. She's just a head on a stick because that's the only part of her that can still sort of have any movement. But he knew what he was doing because obviously he's dealt with animals and however many people in the time that Mick has been operating doing what it is he does. Yeah. Mm hmm. So. And you just want to know where Kirsty, why do I keep calling her Kirsty, Kristy is? Yep. Because he has a thing. He picked her specifically and I don't know why. The three, she was the one that he honed in on and I don't know. Did she say something when they were around the campfire? I don't remember. Not that I could pick up on. No, but something charmed in with her like it was, but I wasn't paying attention to because at the time I obviously knew that Mick was the antagonist in this other monster in this movie, but I'm not, I don't know how it's going to play out. Like I can't, I couldn't even imagine that what was about to transpire was going to transpire. I just thought it was going to be something along the lines of House of a Thousand Corps of style. Kind of almost is, really. Yeah, I'd say it's the Aussie version, but kind of, but not really, but. Tearfully done. Yeah. I mean, like. Not fish boys. No, Dwight's on a fish. No. No, it is. Yeah. I can see where it's going because if you watch two of the other bits as well, it makes more of a sense that it's, it's, it's that's where it is. Yeah, for sure. It's, before we move on to like, obviously then that's the end of Liz, shall we say. Yeah. Bye bye Liz. So goofy. Let's move on to what happens next. I actually found out this is one of Quentin Tarantino's favorite horror movies. Wow. That's some high praise, isn't it? I mean, the guy, whether you like him or not, the guy has got a history for a reason of directing movies that have influenced cinema for years. In film, it's me. Yes. I love talking about films because of the way that I heard Tarantino talk about films. He didn't just love this fucking movie. He actually has this movie in one of his movies. Yes, he does. It's playing in the background and if he had his way, we would not have had Kurt Russell in death proof as stuntman Mike. We would have had Mike as stuntman Mike. He wants John Jarrett. He wanted John Jarrett. He wanted him so badly and he could not get him. So his way of paying homage to his favorite movie of all time was actually putting it on in the bar of death proof. Yeah. John Jarrett, I will say, is one of the nicest people I've ever met, a nicest guy. He called me, I don't know if I can say this word or not, but you know, I'll try and you'll get what I mean. I had to, when I had my photo taken with him at Hurrock on years and years ago when he was there and the fight came out pony. So they told me to go around and do it again. And as I started coming around, he looked at me and he went, what are you doing here again? And I was like, oh, the fight came out and shit the first time and he was like, you fucking cock knees and he's doing this chimney sweep dance at me. So we both ended up chimney sweep dancing at each other. And then he turned around and he said to me, you're a pummie. And then he said, see you next Tuesday to my face and I fucking burst out laughing and I couldn't stop laughing after that. So the photo is a really good photo of me in him because he, the way he was just like, you're a pummie. See you next Tuesday. I was like, excellent. I love that. You know, and he was just the nicest man. And like when you hear it come out of his mouth when he's not all mutton chops and yeah, you know, like plaid, you know, lumberjack shirts and shit, he's just like, grandpa, don't do that, you know, I mean, like I say, he did a movie and I don't know if many people know this movie. It's called Rogue and it's about a crocodile and it was, you know, Silent Hill, you know, Rhonda, she's nosey as well. The Silent Hill movie, the woman who played the mum in the Silent Hill movie, you've not seen it. Oh, good God woman. Yeah. No, you need green for that conversation. Well, her, she is in this film Rogue with him and it's about this crocodile and they get stranded on a tiny island and they can't get off of it because the crocodile is like this prehistoric giant crocodile, but it's not done in a really bad way. Yes, Harana 3D or any of those, like Sharknado is done, it's done really well. You maybe hear of yourself, there's some good films. No, it's done really, really well and John Darrick plays the geeky little guy in the corner with like the sandwiches and the carrier bag kind of man and it's different from Mick. Yeah, it's really well done. It used to be on Netflix, it might still be, it's called Rogue and it's definitely worth a watch just for the fact that you don't hate a character as much as you hate his character by the end of the film. I've seen, I don't know if I'm going to be able to do that given that I've kind of fallen a little bit and I don't know if I should, it's like, it's so conflicting, he is a bad man. Yes, and the thing, you're going back to what you said about Tarantino though, John did actually get a part in one of Tarantino's films. Which one? Dajango Unchained. Shut the fuck off. I've played that fucking film, a farm hand, he's just playing a farm hand. Oh what? And I don't know whether it was on the plantation where, you know, where Dajango and that go up to Leo's place or Candeland or Miami Vice's place. I can't remember but yeah, it might have been in one of those but John Darrick is in design. Oh my God, I love John, I love, I know people have a lot of stuff. To see on Tarantino but I'm a fan. The only movie I have not been able to get away with was here for late and it's just how heavy dialogue it is. It's far, I understand when you're watching the Tarantino movie, you're in it for the dialogue because he can fucking pull it out like no other can but that was too much. And that's all that, it felt like nothing happened because the fuckers wouldn't shut up, no movement was taken place and it's the only one of his that I've not gotten away with but I fucking can't understand this. When I go on a Tarantino, like sit down and get the word I keep using this week, I'm feeling cozy, I start with Kill Bill but I start with Kill Bill 2 and then go to 1, don't ask us why. I can kind of separate the two, I really can and then I'll go to Django and then I'll go to Planetera even though I know that's not and I'll go to Death Proof and then now added in there is the newest one, once upon a time in Hollywood, fucking love it. Reservoir Dogs will always forever, always because of my obsession with Tim Roth. When I was younger and Tim was younger and Tim was, he was like my poster boy because he was my height and because something about him, he was like one of those, you know, they always used to have like strange weird crash Wednesday or something in those magazines. Yeah. And Tim Roth was always like my, I don't know what it was, even as a monkey in, I get it, I even get it now, like he is there, there's something about him, when he, I haven't seen Tim Star but that's supposed to be fantastic but he liked to me when he did that, I was obsessed with that. And he was in she like, yeah, it's been in so many things and Tim Roth, obviously he was the abomination, wasn't he? Yeah, he was. Me or what's his name? I loved the way they turned it around and she helped, and she helped with his house. And he was, and he was a part of a Carmen collected, I do love Reservoir Dogs, me and my sister have such a huge love for that movie and it was like one that we always, we even named our hamsters after like, I don't know why, oh yeah, my sister had babysat two of these, the most adorable hamsters, Caramel and Fudge and she had babysat them while my cousin was away and she loved them so, and they would, they were the best. You could handle them, they were playful. So when they went, my mom said, you know, you did such a great job and you know, you took care of them very well, would you like your own? So we went out to the pet shop and bought two hamsters, but sister couldn't just get two fucking regular hamsters, no, she had to get Russian dwarf ones. She got this huge princess tank, these two fucking crazy ass Russian dwarf ones, and I got this Albinor white one who was just left completely by itself, paint the red eyes completely white and she was like, will you get one and, and help, and like, we'll make it, make a thing of it, like where she's got, because it was like teaching Michaela responsibilities in that. And I was like, yeah, no problem, fucking hamster hated me. So we, we had such a fight over the names, the Mr. Pink, Mr. Blonde, Ms. Blue, um, the fucking hamsters though. So every, our bins used to go out every Wednesday and me mom was like, right, the tanks have to be cleaned out every Tuesday night, ready for the bin on Wednesday. And we went in one night and Michaela went to put her hand in because she would take them out of the tank. And so she could clean them up and put them in their ball. Um, this fucking Raji one started going around her fingers and biting the shit out of her. So me mom had to go and investigate and just fucking sell her a boy and a girl sold her two, no, this didn't sell her two boys, a soldier, a boy and a girl had fucking babies. Michaela went and interrupted them a few days later than babies were no longer there. Oh, they ate them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we had to separate them. So one got a princess tank and the other one didn't. Well, this, this filming itself was only shot in 25 days. I can understand that. Yeah. I mean, it seems a very gorilla style in the sense of that it's gone back in so indie. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but with money, indie, I don't know why the cinematography to it just made us feel like, Oh, it's money there. Yes, there was. Um, it had barely in mind. This is Australian dollars. So at the time of 2005, usually Aussie dollars are expecting a bit more expensive than pounds. Yeah. Um, but I did it in Australian dollars. So it had a budget of 1.4 million in 2005, which is the equivalent to 2.26 in today's money. But at the box office, a bear in mind, it didn't have a huge run. It premiered at the Sundance Festival. Mm. And then took off from there. It was only took up in about 27 cinemas across the whole of Australia. So it had a very short limited run before it got like, nationwide release, but it, uh, it made 12.8 million in the box office, which is 20.7 million by today's standards. So I mean, for a, for a tiny little movie that had no financial business really being yeah, there, it's a hell of a, hell of a profit to make, you know, a lot of shrimp on the barbie. She said that, not me. I said that with a straight, um, so Christie's little jaunt. Yes. We go to poor Christie. And I actually did find out, she filmed that whole scene where she ran in barefoot. She did the whole thing in barefoot. It's when you see Ben there. It was Ben that we see him later on, run across the fucking the desert in barefoot or, I mean, feet at age for him. She had to be taken, um, after they filmed the scenes, she had to be taken because she had barbs in the bottom of her feet. She had glass, stones, all sorts of things. She cut the bottoms of her feet, her feet to ribbons. It was really, but she insisted she said it made sense. It's so effective. It is so effective because you feel every inch of her running when she's running across the road, you feel everything and when the fucking car comes along, that's my initial thought. And then I was like, it kind of being like she's so far away. He can't possibly be anywhere near. But you have no concept of time as well because you don't know she's been running for two days straight. You don't know she's been running for an hour, there's no, you've got no idea how long it's taken her to get to the main road. And that's something I find quite good because you're like, oh, how near could Mick be, you know, because you know his life, because he tried to shoot the girls whilst they were in the U as they were escaping. So you know he's alive, he's been shot in the neck, but you're like, how alive is he? Has he managed to stop bleeding or? Exactly. I mean, all he did was put a fucking hanker sheet around his neck and hope for the best. But she, she pulls this car over who turns out to be a lovely little old man. I don't know if he's lovely. I'm just guessing. We went to wear a blanket and some sweet potatoes. He did. So yeah, I'll give him the man a lovely old man. And he puts her in the back seat and she instantly lies down. Yeah. I was so screaming at it later on, and then all of a sudden out of nowhere, lovely little old man, because his head taken off with a fucking rifle, where the fuck is this rifle? Yeah, but it's, it's out, it's so cleverly done because it's all you've got is one long road and a lot of fucking out back. It's nothing. Yeah. It's tiny little, like, we're talking like, you know, the tumbleweed star bushes. That's all you've got, red brick sand tumbleweed bushes fencing along the side of the road and one solid tarmac road. You can see for miles and you can't see shit. You don't know where this has come from, which is really fucking scary. It's terrifying and it's, it's heartbreaking at the same time because Christie is like, she's a, she's lying in the back seat, free into the whoever she preres to. She's safe. Mm hmm. She's, she's safe now. She's not. Um, she's not at all. This is where I started getting so angry at her. If she just leered down, if she just kept her head down, she'd have been OK. Yeah. The problem that she had was that she didn't really understand what had happened because obviously she was in some shock from all the shit she'd gone through. She's probably incredibly hydrated from crossing the, um, the bush, the outback and, and to the, the relief she found when she flagged him down and got in. So her body was doing two things. It was like, it spiked and then it was, she was relaxing because she found somebody and then like she was so confused when she looked up and there was like blood all over the back door, you know, and she, she then realized she couldn't drive the car because the keys were in the boot. So she had to get out and get the keys. And that's where she saw the little old fellas on the floor with the office head missing. So she finally gets in the car and she starts to drive it a wacky. And then you just see this fucking great big car, like proper muscle car, holding down the road with like, and this is where it goes a bit Mad Max for me. It feels like it's a bit of a homage to the original Mad Max because what people don't know, I'm not talking about you Tom Hardy, where I'm talking about the original Mel Gibson Mad Max movie and it is car chases that is all that film is. We're not talking Thunderdome shit. The Thunderdome shit is number three. Number one is car chases and that's what it reminded me of because it was very much like he was intimidating. He was playing with her because he knew his car could piss all over that little equivalent to a Fiat Uno into their standards. But yeah, he was he got a muscle car and she's not going to have a little mini car because you hear her screaming at the car, she's got that pedal to the floor. She's screaming at it, come on, come on because she's so determined to get away and there is not a chance in how she would. Well, she actually clips it and it goes off the road and she does that hysterical fucking laugh again and then makes like fuck this, shoots the back tire out. But the speech is going, it rules her to the point where she's upside down but she does get out. She doesn't know what she's doing. You can tell. She's so disoriented, shook like physically and mentally that she just falls out of the car door, doesn't she, and makes that a greater and puts her out of her misery once and for all. Honestly, I was rooting for her. I really, do you know what it was giving us? It was giving us Sally vibes at the end of Texas Chainsaw. Well, that's good. Yes. There's a couple of homages to, Hills have eyes in this film and they tried to do subtle hints to it all the way through like keeping her in white, like Sally had a white tank top one, didn't she? You did. And so they wanted to keep her in white to give the final girl kind of aesthetic and then they wanted to just go ha ha, you know, if you don't get your final girl. You're not getting her in this one, that's not what this film's about. Well, they took her away from us. They did. Yeah. I mean, they had to, they did something very, very clever. I think they knew they were on to a winner with Mick. So they couldn't kill him off because they knew he had more to give, like, and I'm not just talking about cheesy, cheesy sequels, like, you know, we're not talking like Freddie number seven or something, like where it's absolute dog shit, and it's just comedy. But there's so much they could go with him. Yeah. He had so much potential as a character. Yeah. There's somewhere they could go with him. And I like the fact that they, they left, but we'll get there, but they left that door open. And once where we see Ben, isn't it? Yeah. It just, so we see, but this is where I felt like they could have shortened the beginning part to concentrate, because when you see Ben, it's very much Ben out saved. Movie done. I just wish to explore that just a little bit longer, but what we got of Ben, Oh my God, I was not expecting it. Ben is held up in the, in a crucified position with his, but it's like he's got pins in his arms, keeping her pins. Well, this is what they were saying. The reason why they, they, they said Mick went for this kind of thing was because he wanted to show he was attempting to be their savior. So it had like a double mean in like Ben was their savior. So they wanted to show that he thought screw your savior. This is what happens to saviors. They get crucified. And he actually did crucify him the way that it is in the Bible through the wrists, the hands, because in all the, all the pictures and obviously statues you see of Jesus as he is, they always put it through the hands because they say it's, it's less offensive. Although I'm sure if Jesus really did exist to be really happy, everybody's wearing dead pictures of him dead around the neck and like he's hanging from a fucking cross. He eventually gets a fucking spear in the ribs, like the Stigma list is a hell of a one, isn't it? You know, when you start going into it all, but oh, I generally thought, well, you know, once I was going through the Stigma, not even joking. I can't remember what it was now. It's something to do with my feet. Oh, that's right. I don't know. I don't know why it a couple of years ago, I was getting pains going through the middle of my feet and it says to Anthony, really think I'm honestly going through the Stigma order. I don't know. I can't even learn enough, couldn't you front door. And he was just giving me stuff. Honestly, I'd. For sure. I can't. H. I fucking love that man. He'd be gorgeous in that film. I've got such a weird thing for all the men. And he is one of them. Yeah, I've convinced myself I was going through the Stigma order because my feet hurt. Oh, just honestly, it's one of those things I always think of quite a lot, you know, if and like I said, I'm not ruling anything out because at the end of the day, there's no proof any of us could be wrong at any point, right? But if Jesus really was real and he died the way he died, do you really think it's respectful to have his last moments, hang around your neck on a chain or in the little picture or have pictures of that happen? I thought that's a bizarre thing to do when you put it in perspective. I don't I've never understood it, but that was the allegory they were going with. Yeah. With Ben, they wanted to make sure Ben looked like the way that Mick perceived him was he could tell he was there their comfort space. They always look to him when something was happening. So he wanted to show he's not their savior. He'll be crucified like the all the fucking rest of them. And it's watching that second when he realises when he comes to and he realises he's got like wire around his biceps, he's got these great big like spikes through his wrists. And he's just sort of stood there and you know, he's trying to take it in and he doesn't, he's like, this is the scene in the cave that I was talking that you were talking about right? That was it, because when he when he eventually gets himself in a position where he can look about, he sees all of the rest of Mick's handy work. Yeah. And there's a fucking lot of it too. Yeah. Mix. Apparently, there's another deleted scene which doesn't exist. I don't know if it's on a bonus card or anything like that. But when Liz was looking for the keys, apparently she drops them down a grate and she goes through into the grate to try and find the keys and it's like a big drainage area and when she gets down in there, she then finds like hundreds of bodies in there but they cut that scene for some reason. I don't. They probably thought maybe we could get it. Well, maybe because Ben's reveal is quite like, whoa, shit, yeah, like if you don't get out of here, you are one of these people. You are one of the forgotten, I mean, I can't imagine how much effort that must take without passing out to pull your own self responsibility for them, isn't it? They're not surviving that. I mean, it's a hell of a, I mean, they always say, don't they? If you've been stabbed by something, never take it out until you're at the hospital. Like that is a public service announcement, people, if you have been impaled by anything at any point, don't do what dumb people do in the movies and pull it out. It will spur you will die of blood loss. It does. And let's not have that happen. I have actually stood on a sword, and it was so, you know, the swords that it like, it's a sword, and then it has like two little daggery things at the side, but like, but like thunder cats, like the sort of, yeah, picture thunder cats would fucking an actual metal. And yeah, I don't know what was that. I was in a, it was propped up against a wall. And it, I went to go and I had to go and open a window or something like that. And I ended up stabbing my big toe with the end of one of the little things at the side. And I actually heard the noise as a came out. That noise has stayed with me that there was nearly 25 years ago. And that noise has stayed with me until like right now. And it does when you, when I, when I moved me to it, it just went, it was like, Quentin Tarantino was like, movie was happening at my feet. That is like, it was, it was the one thing that I was always taught, never pull it out. Just leave it in and let someone else deal with it at the hospital. You know, it's like one of those things like, I'm dying as she is shocked. I was like, in his situation, I understand he didn't have a choice because it was either pull his arms off, stay there and die or get his arms off and leave. And how he did it without passing out, I don't know because obviously I know everybody has different pain thresholds, but to be able to, I mean, this, this spike must have been, oh, it was long. I mean, that is, no, thank you. It came out quite a bit. Yeah, it was like about an extra sort of that was not his risk. So you see him pull it out on both sides and just sort of slide to the floor. All the audio is going to have heard throughout this whole episode as me going. Yeah, it says for audio listeners, it's somewhere around about, I'd say an extra three inches sticking out at least, at least you can see it. Yeah, it's very, very covered in blood. You know that it was driven through from behind, from, from in front. Yeah. And he was literally impelled on it. Yeah, he was, he makes his way off of it, which had given him his props walk as Christ and mighty, I would have died. And then he doesn't waste any time, he doesn't say pity, he doesn't start screaming like uncontrollably. You see him take stock, he's like, look around, where am I, what am I doing? And then he just, it's, it's when he realizes he's got to run and he runs out. But then when he gets out and he looks down and you see this moment where he realizes his hands aren't working very well, like he's realizing what he just did. And it's like, it's only for like about 10 seconds, but you seem to stand there trying to take stock and he's shaking and he's staring at his wrists and then all of a sudden he realizes, you know, where are the girls? And he's at the campsite bit where they're all sat out the front, isn't it? That's where he comes out to if I'm right. The car's been set on fire by Liz for a distraction earlier on, then there's the cooler and the, there's all sorts of stuff strewn about all over the place. And he just takes one look around and then he just decides to go, doesn't he? He pegs it with no shoes. This actually hurt my feet more than Christie's fucking runnathon. I felt, it's only because I felt it because I could see he was feeling it. He ran with like, it was, it was such a, it wasn't a weird run. It was very realistic of the fact that he's running on dirt and, and storms and all sorts. And then he passes out through the adoration and then he's found by two of the backpackers in a camper van, which is the nod to the two people that lost that, the guy that the secondary guys told you about, nod to them because they had the camper van. It was orange, same camper van, and it was a little couple and they picked him up. And basically it was a nod to say, look, we haven't forgotten about you two. We haven't forgotten about the victims here. For all, we've just told a story that's very reminiscent of real life. We don't forget that we haven't forgotten the victims. Yeah. So I think that was a tasteful nod because it wasn't like they showed the death of that, that guy. And then the abuse of the woman, it was like, they pulled up, they helped Ben, they got Ben into their camper. They got Ben to a hospital, Ben gets men have backed out. And then you see the last bit, don't you, where he'd been suddenly on trial. Yeah. So the end credits, so the movie ends with a series of credits coming up saying that, um, Liz and Kristi, the Liz and Kristi were never found. He was in police custody for like four months until his name was eventually cleared. He is now living in somewhere in Australia. And then you get the greatest shot of the whole Billum, Mick walking into the sunset. Yep. Rifle, strapped to his back, Adios, partner. Yeah. I'm still here. Yeah. Yeah. I like that touch because I was like, okay, what's Mick gonna do next? Because in this, for all, this is like, this is quite intense. Like, I've nearly had a complete nut of meltdown several times while we've been talking about it. But in the grand scheme of horror, is it really that intense? Could we have really gone further with this? Yes, I do believe they could have gone a lot further. I mean, if you're looking into touch upon, which it was touched upon at one point, they said this film was possibly, it could have been the equivalent to touch upon, but they had to highly edit to get it down to be able to show it in cinema. They had to take a lot, a lot of the gore out of it. Plus, the song was sort of in its heyday in 2005. So they didn't want to take it too far in the respects of gore for gore's sake. They wanted to keep it because it was a loosely based on, they wanted to make sure they weren't overly disrespectful because they have mentioned in one way or another, or alluded to the murders. There's a line of distastefulness that they could have chosen to do, which they didn't. And for that, I'm thankful, but this is where those stories are now laid to rest. This is where you see Mick and Mick on his journey now. Right. That's good to know, because you are right, there could be a level of distasteful that they could have gone down and a line that they could have crossed. And I think that would have changed the whole entire tone of the movie when you mentioned there about the backpackers van being used, that is such a lovely nod, but an acknowledgement that we don't take this lightly. I did get a few facts down about this movie. The composer, Francesco Zittas, I don't even know if I'm saying that right, based part of the score, so hard to see as a Geordie, I'm not a Geordie, sorry. So hard to see as a Magnum, of the funeral march. Yeah, I did read that. I mean, it's quite interesting to think, and I hadn't actually paid attention to the fact that there was a score. I don't know if I had any music. No, we neither. Probably a good thing. I mean, that's when the job has been done, because it's built the anticipation, it's mixed up in there somewhere. So your brain just absorbed. And chemistry is just in one with this movie, the score, it's not something that I'm thinking of. Yeah. I've actually seen the person, I haven't seen the person, but I have seen the grea of the person who created the actual funeral march. Sure, Pan. Yes. Yeah, which even played at his own funeral, a fucking badass is that. And John Jarrett, Mick himself, was very thespian and method on this movie, because you see it in character the whole fucking time. The thing about John as well, that when he went for the audition for this film, he was now, people only knew him as like Alan Tittmarsh, like he was the Australian equivalent of a book, he hosted a gardening show in Australia on daytime TV. Obviously he'd done loads of stuff, like that he was a face, he was always on soaps and stuff like that. He actually even appeared on a couple of episodes of Inspector Moore's over here and stuff like that. Oh, when we're mother or no one, he's done his shoes and pages, but yeah, he was on a gardening TV show, and no one expected Mick to come out of John, they just, it was such a far removed thing because John was like your Alan Tittmarsh, can you imagine Alan Tittmarsh playing Mick Taylor? No. No. I don't want to either. That's the thing is, I'm not saying he wasn't able to portray it, but it was a hell of a juxtaposition between the two, and imagine. Yeah, I mean, I know that when they did the promo for this movie, they didn't just release a trailer. We have a trailer now because that was for the international release, but for the domestic release, they actually did something very similar to what the Blair Witch did. They did little mockumentaries of Mick and the backpackers, and they put them all online, and they released some small little clips online, like to get like a buzz to make it feel like it was a real news story, and like people were going online, so it's very, very clever to me that's very clever. It is really clever. That is one thing that I thought was not missing, but I would have liked you seeing the use of it more. Yeah. You know, I love a handheld footage, Ora, is some of my favourite genre of Ora. I wish they used the video camera more. That's the thing they were going to use, a DV8 camera, you know, the mini TV's at one point, because it was all filmed on smaller handheld cameras, but they were more pro and they were geared up for the version of HD they had in 2005, but they wanted to film on those on the DV cameras, but the movie that had just done it, and I don't know whether it came out before or after, I want to say before, was 28 days later with Kylie and Murphy in it. Now, that was all shot on DV camp, so it was about the same time, so they were trying to utilise that, but they didn't want to be in the same vein, like they didn't want to be held like, "Oh, well, they've used it, so you've used it." We know you are. So, they thought, "Right now, we won't really leave that be," but it was going to be on those tiny little, you know, the tiny little ones when you click that screen. I don't want to say that, I wanted to see the whole movie in it, but just the reveal at the end with the cave, I don't know if it would have been more effective on the small camera, but that's just me and how I watch I love fan footage horror. But I got to admit, I thoroughly enjoyed this. It took a while for it to sink in, it's not, it didn't instantly go, "Oh, this was fucking fantastic and great." I had to hash it out before I could feel that way, but it's enough for me to say, and we watch the other ones on the TV show, and he's like, "Yeah, give it a few weeks, get this one out of your head." And then we'll start again. I'm like, "Fuck yeah, let's do this." And that is where you see Mick coming to his eye. If you take away the, you can't take away the, this movie is exposition. In the grand scheme of things when you're looking at the whole franchise, this is the movie that sets everything up, this is the exposition, this is where you find out who Mick is, this is where you find out, you know, you get to grips with Mick as a character. You understand that his job has always been extermination, and he believes that that job is universal, regardless, is there any reason? Is there any reason given as to why Mick does what he does? I can't recall off the top of my head. I think he just, it's one of those things where he sees it as a job. He sees it as a duty, he sees it as eradicating vermin or pests, or, and he hates it when they get away. He makes it his mission to target it, but it's, there's more, I'm sure there'll be more of it, and I'm not sure if it's in one of the TV shows or not, because it's been a while, because they came out a while ago, but I don't think you get much more about Mick other than the nuggets he let out, you know, he lets out over the next couple of movies, but from two, and the two TVs, I think it's two seasons of the TV series and I'm not sure if the third movie's out yet, but I know at one point they were working on it. I saw a paulster far at mind, but the paulster was, Mick and the sunset. Yeah, so I'm not entirely sure if, I know at one point they were in talks to have it done and I didn't know whether it actually got done or not, I don't think it has, but there's, there was two seasons of the TV show that happened in step, like, whether it was instead of, or I didn't think it got you, got you got you, but he, Mick has, he is, it's an awful thing to say, because there was a big controversy with John as an actor that happened after the first season of the TV show came out, I think, so we're talking maybe back 2017, 2018, round there, there was a lady that came forward and claimed there was a historic essay with John and John, he 100% denied it, so he didn't even know the woman, blah blah, so we're now into that position where it's, he said, she said, you know, no one's blaming any, no, there's no victim blaming or anything in this situation, yeah, no, this is what happened and he, in the end, he won the case, he literally, he's acting career stalled for like two years, because he was given everything he had to fight in this because he said he'd never met the woman if the whole thing was fabricated and it came out in the end that it was fabricated in the woman, and that, yeah, unfortunately, this poor man had to go through all that, so there's layers and layers and layers of stuff that, you know, as an actor, he's having to go through as well as doing the job that, you know, he loves to do, but that was a really sad time for him, I think, you know, it was a hard time for him in his family, I remember when the story broke, because I followed him for years and he was just like, he even put out within hours of it going out, he put out a big story saying, honest to God, he said, I will not, you know, this is not me, I am, you know, and the first thing he did was go to his own defence and I think you have too many people now like that are guarded by NDAs and gag orders and such. Managers that won't let them have their own say, but I love the fact that when you look at it in reflection, when you know that unfortunately, this lady felt the need to do what she did. You know the fact that he took it off the back straightway, he's like, I'm not having this, this is not right and, you know, on reflection, you look at it and you think, no, good for him, he did the right thing, you know, but he's been very innocent, so then his career took back off and he got the second season. I saw please for him, because there's certain people out there, one in particular, I'm not going to even see his name, because I'm so disappointed, is just hidden away, being brushed under the carpet, it's been some very serious allegations made about this person. Is it the Zealand trip? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to stay in the Pacific, by the way, I'm not a chance. And yeah, it's just disappointing that he, I'm glad he did, I'm glad he fought forward, because me and I had this conversation the other day of the damage, the damage that it does, for women to do this kind of thing, men to do this kind of thing, like I'm not just aiming at one gender, but oh, such damage. Yeah, please stop. I'm really pleased that it turned around for him though. Yeah, don't whisper something, if you cannot pull out the receipts, you cannot back up your, I can't, I shouldn't say things like this, because I know it's very, very personal to that person. Yeah. Come forward if you're telling the truth, please, please, please, please do that. Come forward if you're telling the truth, but for whatever reason you feel need the need to fabricate a story about someone, please think twice, because that is their life. These people, they are just like you and me. And what effect is it going to have on your life? Yeah. Yes, you might get some attention, but when it comes out and it always will come out. It does, it does, you can always do not get away with that shit. It might be drawn out. You could create a lot of fucking damage in the whirlwind you've caused, but the truth will always come out. And you can't put it back in the box. It's done that, that your name will be there for ever after you died. Oh yeah. And you can't walk that legacy, you don't. So no, the internet is there forever people. Yes. Can't fucking hide from it. I have nothing more on Wall Street. I will say though, brilliant choice. It's given me a lot to think about. It's visually something different than what I would, I wouldn't, I wouldn't normally go anywhere to watch something like this. So I've barely enjoyed it. Great choice. Thanks. Yeah, it's just, it's one of those movies that I think every now and again, you come across like movies that just fall into your lap for some reason. And you don't know how it got there or you don't remember the first time you saw it because it was in the market. But you know that you've seen it and you're like, it's like me with Brock and Liz's Club Dread. I don't know how I got into it. I hadn't even seen Super Troopers at that point, but I still fucking love that film. I will cover that film one day. We will do Brock and Liz's Club Dread. And I'll bore you with it as well. And fucking hear that. But the thing is, now you will know the legacy of Mick. You know Mick's character. You get to love Mick when you see him in the other, you know, the more because he's banter and he's charm. And his charisma. He's charm and motherfucker. I can understand now, looking back at last week's episode when you were like, we are going to be introduced to Mick. And there's something about him. And it's not there is. And it's it's not like a sexual thing. It's not like, Oh, no, like a, like a, like a, oh, I really fancy him kind of thing. It's like, he has a magnetism about him where you want to be in his presence, but you want to be anywhere near him. Yeah. It's all conflicting because I want to be your friend. But I don't want to be your friend because I don't want to end up. No, like what they did. No, I'm going to stay well over there. I'll wait for me. No, because you've got to know. So I'm going to be in another state and I'll read you. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. Me and you and never ended up in the outback. No, let's be honest. No, Dan, Dan doesn't go to the outback. So I don't even go to the outlet outback, but Mars, Mars. That joke was going to be way funnier. It was way funnier in my head. That did not work. I just, it's not it's, you know, Australia's lovely. And one day I will get to go there. But I feel like I should. I mean, like I say, I do have them. I do have family over there. It would be nice to see my younger cousin because I generally don't know when I'll get to see him again. And I've got so much family, so much family. My cousin naturally, very much was very young, had a hip surplus. Both of her hips replaced. It was about eight nine year olds, both of them done. And she went to Australia for six months to recuperate. As you do. Fucking nice. And next week, we're going back to double features. I just don't even know how to introduce this one. And it's frightful. Yes, it's nightful. Oh, it's fright night. That's quite good. Because of the fact of the whole TV horsey kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing the original and the remake, honestly, I love them both. Very different reasons. I watched the, I watched the remake before I watched the original. And I can dare say it, Bravo. Good, good remake. Yeah. David Tennant. Oh, Tennant. Oh, Tennant. And Val and Antoine Yelchine. Oh, Victor Victor Victor Victor. Kind of going episode. I thought it was going to happen. Can't go on episode without some cats scaring the shit out of us. Look, he's right here. Um, yeah, we're doing frat night, original remake. It's going to be incredibly interesting, incredibly fun because it's such a fun movie. And that's next week. And you can find us on YouTube every Monday at eight o'clock. You can compensate our faces. But if you don't want to see our faces, the audio for this episode and all the other episodes of nerdy up north are out on a Tuesday. And why is that? Because I do them then. Um, I put them up. So yeah, all audio of stuff on a Tuesday, you can find all the links for bleeding marvellous nerdy up north, monsters up north. We're done. They're down there. Got some very pretty nails. And please remember, on the YouTube too, like, share and subscribe and hit the notification bell so you never miss a never sword. That went better than any outro I've done for such a long time. I remembered everything. The English came out as it should. Well, don't me. Also, right. Um, when you just come back next week, you might be looking at actually, no, you're not might be, you will be looking at the nerdy up north quiz champ, Graham's. For Graham's second quiz. The mug has the monsters logo with nerdy up north, because he didn't want to use monsters up north, which is fine. It's fine. It is what it is. But that mug is coming home with me. Yep. Because why is Sammy? What is it on Saturday? Don't know, Dan. What is it on Saturday? The future passed. And it's already happened. Yeah, but it hasn't, but it has. But it hasn't. Yeah, that's true. Um, it's my birthday. And isn't my body telling me that once again, being a geriatric, we fucking hip is hurting again. It happened this time last year. It was like a reminder, like, you're coming into your 40s. Have some hip pain. Yeah, this is a mechanism for you. You'll enjoy that. Happy birthday. Yeah, it did. Did it this time last year and it's doing it again this year. Um, yeah, it's my birthday. So, um, I am walking out of that quiz with that cup on my birthday. And just, just putting it up there. Just putting it up there. Yeah. So I'm not saying you should let her win on a birthday, but you know, you should really let her win on a birthday. Well, that, uh, no, I'm coming in. I'm actually coming in with a strong team. So I've got me. I've got Anne. I've got my friend, Steph. I've got her partner, who knows Trek. So if you know, he throws any Trek in there, I've got, I've got a Trekkie with us. I've got my friend Emma who contributes in her own way. Um, hope to God she doesn't listen to this episode. We're going to win. We're going to win. Um, yeah. So tune in next week to see if I actually did win that more. If there is nothing else left to say. Say goodbye, Dan. Bye, Dan. Stay spooky, everyone. Bye. 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