Monsters Up North Podcast
Monsters up North - Basket Case
It's a perfect night for mystery and horror, the air itself is filled with monsters. Well, hello all you monster fiends and thank you for joining us for another deep-dive Factoy Field episode exploring Hollywood's most famous monsters. I am your Homistrous of Terrimony's Sam and I am joined as always by Dan from Bleed and Monters say hello Dan, hi Dan, it's not bad impression I'm quite pleased with that, it's not, but I wasn't expecting it now, I was holding that one back for you, oh wow, it'll make sense very soon. Oh it won't, oh one, who knows with this episode, but thank you for joining us for another episode of the Monsters of North Podcast this week. This week we decided to do what is, what is a cult classic? Correct, apparently, supposedly, don't know who, don't know who give it that, but we are here, we are definitely here, so I'll do the disclaimer and then we'll get into this week's episode because, oh my god, I've just had unshausted these for a night give. Everything discussed in today's episode is our opinions and our opinions alone, if you'd like to discuss anything from today's episode, have a please come and join us on our Facebook pages, the discord or the comments section where we can have an open discussion, but what we won't have is anyone coming for us and telling us our opinions are wrong, we can all agree to disagree in fandom, so let's keep it fun, keep it kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of nerdism. Don't be a dick, don't be a dick. No, just don't do it, don't do it, I'm not for this episode anyway, it really is, not for this episode anyway. So basket kiss, 1982 horror written and directed by Frank Henna Lotta, in his feature directorial debut, oh my god did you pick some names here, starring Kevin Van Henterschief, yes, Terry Susan Smith, and the amazing, a Beverly Warner, it's mother conceived it, you won't believe it, as monsters up north brings you her basket kiss. I'm a basket case after watching this, bear in mind I've seen this many times over the years, not a lot, but enough, and then the minute I started watching it this time I was like, oh, oh, hang, oh, I will give it its props, it was better than Dolly Dearest, let's be honest not a lot, I mean that is setting the bar really low, yeah, but it was better than Dolly Dearest, I, I said to you on the last week's episode that this was a movie that I've been told countless amount of times I've seen it, I haven't seen it. You definitely remember seeing this film for sure, you would, you would, you'd remember all the screaming, all of it, there's shit tons of it. Pretty much I'd say, 45% of the dialogue is, yeah, yeah, if 20% of it is just women screaming, yeah, or a lot of women in weeks, I mean in doing, yeah, oh, who was it, it's the love interest, oh, what's her name, Sharon, yeah, Susan, Susan, Susan, Terry, Susan Smith, yeah, she wore a wig throughout the whole thing, I would say most of those women did, the only person I think that didn't was not Tim Curry, who's the lead guide way, and I kept calling him not Tim Curry, because if you look at him and look at Tim Curry in his very, very early years, way before he even did Rocky Horror, there's some similarities in the hair, the look, just everything seems to get that face, you know, there's very things, I think that's what we'll call doing, not Tim Curry, I totally get where you're coming from, even the mouth, like even the way he talks is, yeah, oh, I would have made it a bit more interesting last night if I knew that, this, this movie is actually more interesting for the background of it, and then the actual film itself, so I feel like we should go into the movie to then put together the pieces, it might, I don't know, but it might, it might not, because the opening of this film, see, I did tell you as in the discord, anyone who's watching from the discord that you, and anyone else who wants to know, it's available on YouTube, but Dan did see it, it's available on Amazon, free, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I watched it on YouTube, and I was quite happy with the, the quality, I realized that it was the 4k cleaned up version that came out in 2017, and the opening of this film is fucking ridiculous, but you don't want to run around and pretend something chasing you, which clearly isn't, but maybe there is in a house, I have to see the kills in this, cracked me up every single one of them, but that was his point, that he didn't want serious, he wanted to keep thread in, he wanted the whole thing to be played serious, but he wanted to make sure there was a thread of comedy in there without it being like slapstick or something, yeah, and I totally got that by the end, I feel that the kills were intentionally bad though, I mean, they weren't budgetary bad, they were just intentionally bad, because, yeah, just to look what you're getting killed by, yeah, I don't even know what it is, but I actually is, it's a growth, it's just a growth, yeah, it's basically Dwayne's twin brother, or twin sister, depending on what you read, because some said it's a sister, the majority say it's brother, but they were basically separated when they were younger, and neither of them wanted to be separated, but they somehow managed to keep Boliath alive, and Boliath was kept in the basket by, by Dwayne, and I still find it funny that Boliath has a surname, his name is Boliath Bradley, it kind of takes the whole, the, the, the stick out of them, yeah, because Dwayne's surname was Bradley, so they said Boliath was his brother, therefore he's also Bradley. Well that makes a lot of sense, that makes it, that makes it a whole lot of sense, well the, the director, writer, of this movie, which is, oh gosh, I forget the name now, Frank Helle, a whole water, and literally came up with the idea, because he liked the fact of having a monster in a basket, says that right, yeah, this, this movie is batshit crazy and the fact that it's, it's almost like he did it because he could, and, and the, but not, but nothing was, it was never meant to be anything, it was just something he did, something, something he didn't spend time, yeah, I mean he even said that he hated every second of this film, because nothing went right and he constantly second-guessing himself, because of how low a budgetary restraint they had, I mean, I've read that it, they only had $6,000 in 1982's money, which is about 35, 32, 35 grand by today's standards, to make this whole movie, including the special effects and the stop at go animation, and all that sort of stuff, so everything, oh my god, I could not stop laughing, it was it was impressive, this movie is so low budget, that the, the crew, if you had one job, you would be doubling up for seven other jobs, because everyone had to pitch in, if you heard a woman walking in heels, you were here in the director, yeah, in heels, because he did the sound bars afterwards, the, the noise of Baliel is doing Bradley, is the guy who plays Dwayne Bradley, and the puppet tree originally starts with Dwayne, and then moves into the director's niece, because it started to shrink, and she was the only, she was six years old, and she was the only one whose hand could fit in the puppet, yeah, whenever you see any of that, the scenes are just the hands, that's Kevin, her love of that, that's the director, oh no, Kevin, no, Kevin's the, Kevin's Dwayne, Frank's the director, Frank, the hands of Frank, he did a lot of the solo scenes with just the gloves on, and was doing like the off screen stuff, because he then didn't have to employ anybody else, he could run the camera himself, he didn't have to have light in sound, you know, he knew how to settle that up, so he, he didn't believe in permits, so the, sort of record outside of the Statue of Liberty was doing illegal, and the ones in the street were done illegal, he wasn't allowed to be there, and I'll tell you a little story about how they get away with that, quite a lot of them do, though, because even someone like John Favreau did it when he did Elf, there's that scene where Will Ferrell's running down the street, and he's, hi, how are you, it's Christmas, you know, he gets really excited, there's no permit for that, that was, they're all genuine people off the street that Will Ferrell screaming in the face of, that's not actors, that's not actresses, no permit got for that, so they do do it, but I think they get forgiven to a degree because if it's going to bring people to that area, yeah, you're not showing it in a bad light, it's, no, and this film never hit big anyway, it's a cult film, but it never hit big time, so no one would have seen it anyway, so, and that's probably what he was thinking at the time, the, the best, the best thing I read about this movie is the end credits, yeah, that honestly tickled my funny born, the end credits have to be filled out, there wasn't enough screw, there wasn't it, so they started making names up, there's all sorts of people in there, yeah, the credits are quite amusing, they actually even use, the fight, in the, the fight name credits is, which is a hark back to one of our episodes, they use Watson Prichard, which is the house on Haunted Hill, which we recently did, that I thought was quite amusing, so they were picking random characters from movies and just sticking them in, which I thought was a really good, and there were repeating names as well, so if you look, you might find, say, a John Smith in there several times, it just kept using the same name, I thought that was genius, you know, when you watch this film and you see how sparse everything looks as well, like, when he goes into this hotel, basically because they didn't have the budget to buy things, so they went, dumped the dive in and found like a shitty lamp and a crappy bed post and all of that was just stuff that they found and skipped, yeah, the, the actual, you know, when he walked into the hotel, and he's got the basket meeting, all the guys around there, what you do the little despoties in, yeah, that's a lift, that's a lift, it's just had like, like cardboard put on it, so it kind of looks like he's in like a little alcove, but yeah, that is a lift in a built-in. That works well though, he did good, I'll give him that, that's, that's a good use of space. Everything else, anything like to do with the, the apartments that was in, it was a friend of a friend's, like, who, but no, there was no soundstage or anything like that, they didn't even have a camera dolly. No, you still wear your chest. A wheelchair and he's literally being, like, wheeled up and down when he saw it, I mean, if it works. He's, honestly, I find the crew, I find this, this is very, this is like, do you know what we talk about, like, when Neil talked about his university movies, this is what I'm thinking it is. I would say it's just something he had in his head, he had to get out, and I feel like in doing so, he wasn't expecting much of it, and this movie did so well for the midnight show, because this is what it got released as. It was a midnight movie, so it was class, it came out around the time of ex, ex, ex, exploitation cinema. So exploitation cinema is stuff like maniac, if you see, even if you've seen the remake with a larger word for all the original maniac is exploitation. So it takes a subject matter in it. You get boobs, you get blood, basically, it's exploitation, it's very close to a grind house, it's made on a shoestring, and that's what you get. So have one show in a night, every night at midnight, at this one theatre for two and a half years, yet it's still didn't make enough money for it to even class as a box office. So there is no theatrical release for basket case, in the sense of there is no box office amount that it made, because it was once a night, every night for two and a half years. That is crazy. So yeah, that was insane when I read that bit. I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense. It's, it's, it feel like we need to tell people about this film. So the opening scene is, we don't know this yet, but the guy is Dr. Julius Lifflander, and we, we know he's Lifflander, because he, he picks the phone up and says he's Lifflander, and but we don't know he's a doctor, we don't know who this guy is. He's just being mysteriously chased around his house by, we don't know what, and then he gets his of all things and banging, basically. It's, it's, the acting in this movie is top notch GCSE drama at its finest. Hunter, GCSE drama. And, and it's the, oh, no, don't do it. No, no. Over there. Look, there is something over there. Oh, oh my gosh. And then he gets killed. And you can call it that because I don't know what happened, right? The second doctor, he's very much dead. But this one, he just kept grabbing him by the mouth and then there was a bit of bloods for everywhere. I was like, it was pulling his head forward, because I felt like, if I remember rightly, something was, I don't think you see anything touching his mouth, but he just kept pulling his head forward and pulling his back and, I've just, I don't think, do we see the hand at that point, or is that with the second up walk? This is the bit where it sort of blurs for me, because... Well, because I'm too busy laughing at the, how hysterically he's acting, the share of daily business, you are a thoroughly grown man. Act like it. Now, he went on, he went on, so he went on ridiculous. He was screaming, he was shouting, and then he got killed. Yes. And then you literally move straight away into New York City at its finest, grimy, gritty, dirty... Times Square. Yeah. A man trying to sell you everything. I've got it. He's got it. Yeah. Yeah. It's the fact that he's gone, I've got acid, I've got this, I've got that, I've got these kind of drugs. And the fact that he starts listening of drugs, that's when he goes, what's your problem, man? I'm like, yeah, you've just given me a problem. It's not interested, clearly. I'm sure he would have taken you up on one of your many offers. Why is a nobody gone for focusing your basket? Well, because, well, the guy did when he went to check in in this random hotel on Times Square. Didn't he? He was like, he was like, what's in the basket, let's close? And that's what we're all led to believe, until you see him throwing hamburgers in there. And I'm like, oh, there's no clothes in there. Oh my gosh. And the team view version of Bob Hoskins at the front desk. Oh my gosh. He was, he was probably one of my favorites on screen, if I'm going to be honest. The level of acting of that man was amazing. The grumpy, the grumpy hotel. Get in your rooms. He was, uh, it's a break isn't the best. Oh, it says on the line. It's his only line. Get in your rooms. Who are you? This is not a detention center. It's a motel. I think detention center would have been slightly nicer than that hotel. 20 bucks a night. I'm like, Hey, I mean, those people actually physically live in there. Yeah, it's a position of the old when he's going up the stairs and the strange other lady with a different wig on is saying to him, Oh, there was an old lady and she kept saying how rich she was. And we didn't believe her. And then one day she came down here directing her finery and her fur coat and she just paid and left. And then she walked off and I was like, Thanks. I really don't know why you needed to tell us that. And because I frankly couldn't give her flying figures in there before and it really makes no difference. No, but this is where he gets the first glimpse of the amazing Mears and Casey. This is Beverly Bonner. Yeah, Beverly has been in every single basket case movie. Beverly is your grind house actress. She is your it's not B movies. You couldn't even class what she did as B movies. But that woman made a career out of doing this style of movie and she is fucking phenomenal. I love her in this. She sadly passed away in 2022. Yeah, I just love that like the way she walked in and she's like, when she walks into his room, and she's like, Hmm, and you can see she's taking everything in and she's looking at everything. She's like, there's definitely something up with him. So I'm going to leave now, but she still tries to play out like everything's cool, everything's fine. And you know, in her head, she's going, Oh, is that something? But this is something. Casey is your friendly neighborhood sex worker. Yes. And she's entering her room with a gentleman friend who kind of stopped looking at her behind. She has a crack in behind. Oh, yeah. But yeah, he paid us the privilege. I got it for free for the watch of it. Exactly. And this is where you where you get to see Dwayne feeding his basket. That's not a euphemism. That's actually what happens. Literally, literally, he goes in and he just it's the noise. Oh, it's vile, wasn't it? Like if you have misphonia or misophonia, however, you say, this is not a film for you. It's cool. It's I want to say, this film is it does something in an auditory way that the average horror film doesn't do. And I'm not talking about your what we talked about it with a couple of films we've watched before, where they set a tone, there's a title to it, or there's a rhythm or some older, the music or something. No, this is an unbearable noise that is repeated in one iteration or another all the way through it. And even like the eating noises, what they must do, and I've come to the conclusion, when I was trying to watch this, they turn it up. I have to almost do all these scenes. The dialogue is relatively at one sort of decibel level. The minute he starts eating and the minute it starts making noises, it's like they've turned it up to 11. It's insanely loud. And if it's said to shock you, I understand the value, but it's not nice here. It's even worse than that. Like, Dan's done your a fever. That was honestly, it's even worse. It is. It's absolutely horrid. And that's just it. It's just not the first of the noises. This movie is a very noisy movie, but the soundtrack to it is something out of a 70s bottle. That's the only way. It's when he walks through the hotel room and it's a bow, and there's all these bows going on. He's just him in his basket. Well, let's just him in the him in his basket, which he then takes with him to a doctor's appointment. Why is nobody's question in the basket? Why do you have a laundry basket with you at the cinema? Why do you have a laundry basket with you when you go into the doctor's office? This is where we get introduced into his love. His love interests? I don't really know, because she just screams the whole time as well, really, to be honest with you. I mean, there's not -- Sharon knows her. Sharon knows who she is, though, because she she wanted to go out and adhere to with him, and she got it. She won't shout, and she just met him. She was trying to ask. Yeah, I mean, she thought he was the typewriter guy that come and fix the typewriter, didn't she, to be honest? I mean, the basket could have had a typewriter in it. It's not. You use your typewriter holding vessel, but, you know, each of the road, it might have been his toolbox. Yeah, you might not have been able to actually afford a toolbox and just carried a wicker basket around with him. But this trip to the doctors is kind of the key point of the horror movie. And you don't really get to see the conversation, but what you do get to see is Dwayne showing the doctor his war wound, which is all down this side, if I remember rightly, he takes the shirt, he sits down, in the grottiest. It's grim. The grottiest. I mean, we're talking New York 1982. I get that. Things aren't going to be sparkling, but they're going to be a little bit more stunnatory than they were that you would have got some form of hepatitis just sitting on that bed. We're just walking in the place. You're getting air, you're getting air, BC, you're getting a lot as you walk through that building. But I'll grab a bit of typhoon, which is just being, you know, just just truck it all in. And for our younger viewers, New York was not how New York is today. It's taken a lot of hard work, a lot of time to get New York to the shiny glitz and big lights that you see today. It used to be a shittle. Correct. An absolute dank. If you want to watch the purest form of New York, the best movie in its real life is the best, it's a documentary that will give you a sense of New York is Paris' burning. I knew you were going to say that. Yeah, 100% because you get to see it's not all big lights, bright city kind of stuff. It is broadway. It's not really there. I've been to Times Square where he does this walkthrough bit. And now there's not all sex shops. It's not all that. You've got like Apple and they have to pay millions to be there a year, you know, in Times Square now, the shop. They've got a Sephora. Do you know what I mean? It's like those. Yeah. It took a lot of hard work. It did. A lot of time a New York cleaned its act up, but Paris' burning is the purest form of what New York City was like in the 80s. Also, it was a fucking phenomenal documentary about the drag ball scene. If you're a RuPaul drag race fan, this documentary right here is the reason you have that show. Yes, because reading is what? It's fundamental. So, yeah, I mean, she's watching. She's right there. Yeah. It was a fucking shithole. There's no way to sugarcoat it. And I'm very sorry for New York because your city is beautiful. Is it a city? It's a city. Well, you're New York City, and then you've got New York State, and then you've got, yeah. Geography was not my strongest suit. New York City is pretty much where this is filmed. You've got Manhattan and all around there. And New York is way bigger than anyone actually realizes it costs us a lot of money to get around New York when we went, and we were only there for four days, five days, and it was shocking how far apart everything is. I've turned down two trips to New York and why I will never understand my favourite movie of all time is centered around New York. The New York City Library is a part of that movie. And the firehouse is there. Do you know? But this is like, why would I do it? I don't know. Maybe because I was an angry teenager. Are we talking about this movie? I hope that movie. Of course that movie. Yeah, it's my everything. And yeah, I just, I don't understand why I did it. I had two opportunities go. I mean, I still have an opportunity now. I'm fotty. I can go and do it once. But I have to pay for it. I have a planet well in advance. If anybody wants to go, I have a planet well in advance. And with the firehouse, don't do what I did. I didn't know you could knock on the door, go in and buy patches and, you know, help, like, give money to the fire game and stuff like that. I didn't know you could do that at the time. So we traveled. It was minus 18, two days before we got there, because we went in February. And then it was minus eight for the whole time we were there. We went, I will say, it was absolutely beautiful. We went to where they had the hotel with Home Alone 2, where he runs out into the park. We were up. He actually stayed in above Grand Central Station. There's a hotel and we stayed in that one. So you got all your food at Grand Central and then you went out and you could walk around. But the library is at just at the top of the road off to one side. And if you go the other way, you go to Central Park and we went to the Natural History Museum where Ross works. We went to the East Village and we did quite a lot of stuff. We went to Queens. We went to Everybody in Queens does talk like, "I'm walking here." They've all got a proper, like, the cabby wouldn't stop talking all the way there. Everything's like, "I'm walking here." You know, it's like very much like you would think someone from New York sounds like, you know. Yeah, you'd stereotypical New York and like, "Well, how you hear it in your head, how you actually do that?" Yeah, that's right. I've always wanted to go to Kat's Diner. My mum and dad have been several times. My sister said it's not a right home too. I was like, "I don't care. I just want to go." My sister went for her 21st birthday, sorry, her 16th birthday and her 21st birthday. And on her 16th birthday, my mum and dad took her to see Phantom of the Opera on Broadway right in the front row. See, if I go back now, I want to see Beetlejuice movie at the musical. The musical? Yeah. Yeah. Beetlejuice musicals on Broadway and then they had a few more things that were on Broadway. And I was quite intrigued to go and watch, because I've seen back to the future here. And the cast from here have gone over to Broadway to do it. The original cast, I'm part of me is like, "Oh, I'd like to go watch it on Broadway now because Roger Bart, who plays Doc, everybody will know from Hostel." He was in a hostess two or three. I can't remember which one it was. I can picture him. Heather, is it Mazarata who played Randy's sister? That one. No, it wasn't that one, was it? Yes, it was. It was the one where Lucifer, she gets his nuts cut off by a bit off by a dog. Roger Bart's nuts cut off, but yeah, that bit. Yeah. And he is absolutely fantastic. The man is, I can't rate him enough for how, what an amazing show they wrote. I'm not a big musicals person. I like what I like. Yeah. I like musicals, but I do, it's like, my quietest. Yeah. I'm not one to be into new stuff like Waitress or any of that sort of stuff. No. No. Hamilton. No, see, I'm someone who, if I've grown up with it, I love it. Obviously, there's the original Grease stage show. There's, I took my sister to see the sister act musical, Dirty Dance and musicals. We've done a lot over these. We went, I took Rob to see his first ever musical and it was Young Frankenstein. Did they do the whole putting on the rids? Yeah, it was Ross Noble played Ego, which was Chef's Kiss. I mean, Dorian from Birds of a Feather. Oh my God, let's see Joseph. That is brilliant. It was really, it was absolutely brilliant. That was one of like the best ones I think. Well, I actually got an early birthday of present and the other day. It's a very early birthday of present. It's actually probably be classed as a birthday present for next year. Because on the 11th of July next year, I am going to see Hamilton. See, that's the thing. If that's your cup of tea, I'm not taking that away from any of that. It's just I am a creature of habit. I have musicals I love, but I'm a soundtrack queen over musicals. So if they've made a movie of it, I will have the OST and then I will have the movie as well. No, I get that. No, Hamilton came through, because if you remember their lockdown, everyone was doing something on YouTube and John Twisinski was doing his little shore. And he was he was talking to a Hamilton fan who was mentoring a bunch to see the shore, because the lockdown got cancelled. He got the whole crew of Hamilton to come on and sing the opener number. And it was magical. And that was the first time I ever heard a song from Hamilton. And then it announced when Disney Plus was coming out, that was going to be one of the premieres. So on a Saturday night, during lockdown, when Disney Plus came on, me and my family at seven o'clock would pick a movie, and we would all watch it together. And we would comment it now, what's our chap? And it's like that. And then the third week of that, Hamilton came out. And I made my whole entire family watch it. So we've all fallen in love with it because of Disney Plus putting it on. And my dad texted us the other day and said, you are going to be in the room where it happened. And I lost my shit. I'm actually going to a show on this weekend. I'm going to see six. The Henry the wimes one. Oh, no, I see I'm not. It's I've never heard any of the songs in one. I think, yes, I think I know which one you mean now, actually, because the lovely Carol from the like, they do, she sells freeze dried sweets at the shows and she having her husband, Neil, are the most loveliest couple in the universe. But her niece, I think is in it. She plays one of the, one of the wives. Yeah. And it's all singing all doubts. I know which one it is. Yes. It's a very short play. It's not on for the longest of times, but my best friend is obsessed with it. And she went, would you, would you come with this? And she was like, coincidentally, it falls, just need your birthday. So we can, I was like, yes, I will, I will come. I haven't listened to any of the soundtrack yet. And but I said, I would go. We went on a right hand. We went from, we went in a musical tangent there. It was New York. I play New York. I did York, New York. I love a town. I think, I think what we were trying to do subconsciously is we've just shit on it by telling them the real version of New York. And I said, but really, it's our lovely now. It's very nice. The one thing I will say is don't get really, really drunk in the hard rock and then go and spend $25 on mint M&M's. Yeah. Yeah. Well, put it this way. I was eating it for about two months after because I don't really like chocolate. So I've not, I've not done that because I've never been in New York. But what I have done is getting absolutely hammered in Barcelona. And I mean hammered to the point where I was ordering steak, I was vegetarian. And absolutely inhaling it as a shame for a very long time before I turned vegan. And I absolutely inhaled it. I ordered everyone's. I was almost ordering the people next to us to come and join us to come and have steak with us. Yeah. I was absolutely, it's the drunkest I probably have ever been in my life. And then the next day I had to go and walk around at eight o'clock in the morning at the Gaudy buildings. Have you ever seen Gaudy's work? It's bumpy. Oh, no, it was horrid. No, I'm going to pass. I would have stayed in bed. I was like, fuck it. We were walking down the street of the main street in Barcelona. I think it's called the shambles or the rambles or something like that. And we're walking down there. My dad wanted to go to an Irish bar because we were there for my mum's birthday. And he wanted to go to an Irish bar. And my sister and me who were absolutely not even with this planet anymore went up to a guy and said, who was who was standing clearly promoting a bar. We went Irish bar. And he just went that one. And it wasn't. It was an absolute shithole of a place. The toilets almost sobered me up. If it wasn't for the fact they were doing incredibly cheap and very big cocktails, we would never have stayed there. Did you accidentally go to Patti's bar? What I found hilarious though is because the smoke and ban, I smoked at the time, and the smoke and ban had been in Barcelona for about a year. However, the Irish bars refused to because in their mind their land was in Ireland. And in Ireland, they hadn't introduced the smoke and ban. So I got a sit in a pub with a pint and have a cigarette. I mean, it's nothing. It's Barcelona was right outside. I could just go and set aside. It seems like an alien concept now, doesn't it? Sitting and drinking and smoking at the same time? Even smoking is an alien concept to us. Now I've been quick for so long. I just can't even imagine and the smell. I've never done it, but all my friends have always smoked. So I've always gone with my friends if they wanted to go outside or I've been the tablekeeper. So because I've never smoked. So it's always been one of those things. But working in a bar, I was always very, very thankful when the smoking ban came in because it didn't smell as hard as it would be. Yeah, yeah, when I after I quit and I got on a bus for the first time and I could smell it on someone, I was like, well, no, did I smell like that? Oh my gosh. Anyways, that's a kiss. Did you know this movie wasn't released on VHS until 1995? I don't think I come across that. No, that's the hat. That's a long time. Yeah. The film was released on January 5, 1995 on VHS by Anker Bay Entertainment. That it was then re-released on April the 28th, 1998 on DVD by Image Entertainment. And then it was re-released on Blu-ray on September 29th, 2011 by Image Entertainment. So, and now obviously in 2017, it's had their 4K off HD. Oh, it's been absolutely cleaned right up, hasn't it? But that's the thing. It was remastered by Arrow Videos. Is it Arrow? But it was only remastered because it was being entered into the Museum of Modern Art. So they had to- That's the copy I watched. So when you watch it on YouTube, that's what comes up. This is a copy from the RT Place. It's a museum. And yeah, that's the warnings you get at the beginning and then the movie starts. Yeah, he basically said he thought it was a joke when he heard it was being entered into the Museum of Modern Art to be remastered. He was like, yeah, and then it got re-released because he sold the rights. He doesn't own the rights anymore. Frank, the thing is though, would you be bothered? He's not. In your mind, you've made a almost shitty- and I'm not- I don't want to shit all over this film because it's not the greatest. It's not the worst. But there is some quite clever things that have come out of it. It has advice. It does have- yes, it does. It does have a place. And I've just read- just read- it's how the describe belieses hands and how he kills people. It's a claw. It's a fucking massive claw then. His hands were bigger than him. I mean, his hands were very, very- he was very, very dexterous for a tumour. Yeah, honestly, I didn't- I didn't even chew- chew it. That's what they call them. I know this because I've been watching a lot of Grey's Anatomy. I'm now on Season 15. Oh, good God. They call it a pteratoma. And a pteratoma is a tumour that has teeth, hair, some organs and eyes, but isn't a functioning, breathing, thinking, entity. Doesn't Dwight kill his? Oh, he did. Yeah, he ate his brother or his sister in the womb. Which I'm really upset about. We won't talk about Rainwell's and he cancelled. He cancelled Manchester and now I want to stab him with a pen. But he technically may have re-booked for another show, but you know, anybody who cancelled got their tickets cancelled will know that he's re-booked, so it's not a secret. But hopefully he'll be at Liverpool next year. So I might get my signature and I might get to meet Dwight one day. But I hope they get other office guys at that one. Yeah, I watched the... Oh, what is his name? What is wrong with my brain today? I cannot think of names. Weird Al. We watched the Weird Al movie on Friday. Oh, weird, isn't it? It is fucking genius. It's like, you have to understand Weird Al to be able to watch it though. It's not a biography. No, it's good. I'm glad he's... I love it. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. But what I found hilarious was when I was watching it, I was reading a little bit about him at the same time. And you know how his parents, like, hated the fact that he played the accordion, he was a weird child and this assistant. Complete opposite. His parents were so supportive. They the scene with the guy coming in to sell him the accordion. That really happened. That's how we got it. But his dad bought him it willingly. Because they thought he wasn't being a weird kid, he should have a weird instrument. He shouldn't be. He should be able to express his weirdness. And the accordion was perfect for him. Oh my god, I just loved it. But oh, did you read about his parents? No, I know. All I know is that I watched the film. I mean, I've known Weird Al back for UHF when he made the movies when I was a kid. And he's always done parody since I can remember. I mean, he did eat it. I think he did. It was the first time when I was a kid, it was the first thing with Weird Al. And so he's always been on my... It was the parody movie he made. I think it was UHF where he did the Rambo spin off. I've always known of him. And I didn't realise he was going until I was locked down when he did The Happy. Because I'm happy. And he had everybody in the video for that. He did aluminum foil foil foil. And I realised that he was still going with other stuff. And yeah, the guy's a fucking genius. He's a genius. Credit at all. And Daniel Radcliffe, I tell you more. Oh, that's not bad singing though. No, no. That was Weird Al singing. Yeah, I was trying to give him credit. He did Weird Al well. I mean, it wouldn't have mattered if he wasn't even doing Weird Al. But he did it really well. And I will say, Rain Wilson is Dr. Demento. He lost exactly like him. That scene at the swimming pool where you had Peeley Herman and Elvira and Devine. And that mean a wish? Yeah. Well, I found that out afterwards. I was like, I see that now. But at the time, I didn't know. I was like, and then you're going through and he's going, oh, this is a... Is it David Damm thou mashing? I can never say so. Yeah, no, yes. He played one of the Beatles. No, he played John Lennon. No, John Deacon. John Deacon from Queen Queen. And it was just the way that him and Wolfman Jack. I lost my shit. I knew exactly who that was when he came on. I was like, oh my God, it's Wolfman Jack. I did something about him. What movie? He was in Wolfman Jack vlog. That was it. I knew he'd been in one of our films that we've watched. And I was like, that actually isn't a bad... Look, they're so bad with that one. Yeah, it's so good. But just to bring it into a very morbid place, his parents both died in a house fire. How have him an oxide poisoning? No, I did not know that. Yeah. It's such a great film. Sorry, I just had to breathe. He didn't have any balona after that. Oh, I love the fact that he he wrought Beatas. Yeah. And Michael Jackson Parry did him. And then he went out with Madonna. Who then become... Like some sort of a Nazi, like, I don't know what she was to be for. Head of the Maffier and... She was like, yo, Koano, they played her out as didn't they talk about it? The end was like, and we all died at the awards ceremony in 1982. That's where I was like, maybe this isn't true. When we finally started to click how exaggerated this was, is when we started to fall in love with it. And then we started listening to his back catalog and white nerdy obviously got played a million times because that song is fucking ingenious. You've got to get me word nerdy. But did you know the uncut version, which is the version that you see, the master version of buzzing case that we watched, the master there, the one that Arrow everybody mastered. In the UK, it wasn't shown to us until 1999. That version that we watched today because the censor board, obviously our lovely rating censor people went, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. There's too much of gore and grossing. And there really is. You can see from the second doctor kill. I'll give it that from that one. Well, that's where we landed up. That's where we ended up, was the second doctor kill. But that's not before he has made that phone call to the wish version of supporting Weber. I'm eating my dinner. I was like, okay, love, come down. I like you when you're drunk. Yeah, I was like, I do some choice things at that table mind. I don't think I'd like to be in the same room as you lady. She's fucking terrifying. And but there's a conversation between doctor number two and wish Sigourney Weaver, who it's common clear that the conversation that Dwayne had with this doctor that's put the shits up him is that he is pissed. He wants revenge for the people who took. So there's two forms of revenge in this movie. There's Baliel's revenge on the people who separated him from his brother. And then there's Dwayne's revenge for the people who have discriminated against his brother. Yeah, which to be honest with you, the second one doesn't really pick up much. You only tend to sort of get the the first one. You only tend to get Baliel's revenge really if unless you're really reading into it and and picking up like you know, like all the the the kind of he wants is. But when I read an interview that Frank did, and he said it's really not that deep. This movie doesn't have any kind of underlying things. So people say, Oh, I think this is a movie about separation anxiety and how it can how you know, a man lives with himself after he's part of him's because he's like, dude, it's not deep. It was just a monster in a basket. Yeah. And I had to think about getting it there. And that was it. That's exactly how I took this movie. However, there are people who have made it more more than what it actually is, an author called John Townsend. I'm not going to read what he said. He wrote that the sexual desires of Baliel in the in basket case provide the film with a transgressive undercurrent, adding the Baliel can be seen as a bit as seen as the ID, the dark side, the the dark side within us all. Dwayne is the internal misfit who carries his monster, his darkness around in a basket, afraid to let it out of fear of transgression. No, he had a brother removed, but he kept his brother alive when technically his brother shouldn't have been. And then they made a vow between them to get them put back together. And this is what that doctor wouldn't do. It's put them back together. Second doctor wouldn't so Baliel back one way. What we should have also mentioned is that they don't actually physically talk to each other. They do it in their minds. Yes, apparently twinning the twinning. There's another there's another someone else has drawn another thing out of this movie. I want to use my language very carefully here. And basket case examines the topic of shmashmoshan, highlights a flashback scene that depicts the beguile indisputably what indisputable a life being discarded in a trash bag is a deformed monster such as Baliel actually worth saving. Should he have been mercifully terminated rather than forced to live as he is a thing more than a man basket head basket case hedges its bets and appears to come down on either side of the pro life pro choice equation. On the on the one hand Baliel is a murderous nasty little bugger. On the other, he's clearly capable of expressing love. Let's just rewind. He was part of another baby. He was growing on a baby. The termination would have been for both twins. It wouldn't have just been to terminate Baliel. In 1982, fetal surgery is not a thing. You wouldn't you know the choices would be to get rid or adopt or have the baby that that was and obviously back then abortions were very still in 1982. They were a little bit, they were still complications and all that nonsense. Things weren't being done as well as they are now. Let's put it that way. So I mean, you can't say it was a matter of like an allegory for pro life pro choice. You know, you are pulling a fucking string. Anyone who tries to look at a deeper meaning of this movie does not get the intention of the director and what he wanted from it. It's a monster movie. That's all he wanted, a monster and he had to figure out he had his monster and he had his basket and that's where he started. There was no brain wasn't even a thing, but he just needed to figure out a way for a main character to have a reason to be carrying the basket. So Duane was secondary. So yeah, he's not the main star. No, and people might think that Duane's the main star because Duane's the one that carries him around everywhere. But no, the whole idea came from a monster in a basket. The relationship to Duane was secondary, the fact that he was part of a twin that you know he was possibly a pterotomer or a twin that didn't survive and Duane kept him alive all these years. For all we know his parents didn't even know about that Duane keeping it alive. No, there's no problem. There's no backstory. You know, you get to know about his aunt who was the only one who understood them, but not really about his parents. No, no, because again, this movie is not that deep. It's okay. No, it's deep as what these people have been writing. So yeah, once we figure out that there's something that they want to be joined back together and this doctor won't do it, and then this doctor gets on the form with another doctor who is the wish version of Sigourney Weaver, then it comes in. The pictures starting to come together that these three doctors, and I think you see this in a flashback, were part of the separation process, which was done pretty brutally. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't great. I mean, the 70s, 80s of it all, but... Fucking hacks. They literally got a Bourne saw, like not even a Bourne saw. Remember those saws you used to get in your DT class? Yeah, like one of them. Was like a little actor. And that was not fucking sterilised, I'm telling you now. But yeah, so the whole premise of this movie is these two taking revenge on all the people that chose to separate them. So regardless of what reasons each of them had, it's just a revenge monster movie thing. It is. It is. This kill was probably my favourite because it was the most... Oh no, mine's the doctor. Mine's the woman doctor. Yeah. I liked this one because it was unexpected. Judging by the first kill you'd seen, it was quite mild and I just thought, "Oh, this is where we are. This is the kind of murder you get." But the second murder was very much similar at the beginning where the head was being pulled down by a hand and he thought, "Then all of a sudden you see these two hands go straight into the stomach." And then it cuts to something else. I can't remember. It either cuts or it fades out or and then it fades back in. But you just have a pair of legs and all the guts hanging out and then you see the top half. Yeah, it goes in and then out. That's right. Yeah, because they separated and you're like, "That was some good make-up rework for the mountain money that they had. That was some good make-up." I mean, you know for world with butchers, pigs, it's something along those lines. Yeah. I couldn't find anything to find out specifically about. There's nothing in relation to whoever did make-up or anything, who even who created Lyle. Oh, you know. Yeah. There's two guys that were responsible for the special effects make-up and puppetry. Not so much puppetry but the, you know, not so though. This is just the guys who made molded and did that side of it. But John Kaggleon Jr, he was a prodigy of Dicksmith. Oh, Dicksmith's Heavenly Both, the other two. Yeah. He was a prodigy of Dicksmith, as is, as we all know, Tom Savini. A lot of people, a lot of guys studied under Dick Smith. He is the father. We will do. We will do. We never saw it on Dicksmith. He is the daddy. But John Kaggleon Jr. is also a BAFTA nomination nominated and Oscar-winning special effects artist. He worked on Dick Tracey, which was a cappuccino. Uh-huh. Yeah. That was a hell of an effects movie with all the prosthetic work that was done during the film. And then he also worked on The Dark Knight. His list is huge. It's absolutely obscene the amount of movies he's worked on. But the one that I was more impressed with is a guy called Kevin Haney. It's either Haney or Haney. He has worked. He has got a rap sheet bigger than I am. I'm just going to pick a few and tell you a few of the films he's got. This was one of his first films, Bear in Mind Basket Case. He worked on Death Becomeser, Adam's Family Values, the new D&D movie on Amongst Thieves. About 50% of the Marvel movies he worked on. And this is my favourite one. He was Bette Midler's Make Up special effects artist on Hocus Pocus. I am either having a glitch in the matrix or I have read this before, but I am sort of... I know this person as special as when he said Death Becomeser. Yeah. Kevin Haney, his name is. How do you spell this on him? H-A-N-E-Y. H-A-N-E. I would say H-A-N-E. Yeah. I'm sorry for bastardizing your name, mate, but... Y'all, yeah. We don't really get the spellings out, so you just have to guess. No, the minute you said Death Becomeser, I feel like I know this person. But those two, he admits in his history when you go and look, Kevin lists basket cases being his second movie. I don't know what his first one was, it didn't pay attention, but it wasn't anything big. However, John Caaglione Jr. won't even list this movie on his date, right? Well, the most charming part about this movie is the actual monster itself. It's so creative. It's so different. What really tickles me is when Belial is in the basket, it's just Belial. If there's no movement, the eyes are very much... You google the eyes, took a young take. Do you know what I mean? They painted on. It is actually Dwayne's face. They took a monster's face. Well, they had to make them look similar. Yeah, but they sort of squiffed it up and made it all weird. So, there is a few scenes where you see him quite close up on his face, and it is Dwayne with the prosthetic on over his shoulder. That's the end. Well, that's the end scene. That's what tickled is. So, you're so used to seeing these painted on eyes. Like, when the stop motion's doing... We'll get there in a minute, so that stop motion is taking place. But on one scene, and it's right at the end, where Belial is like in the face of someone, you see the eyes, you see proper eyes, and it's like, it's sort unsettling. It's so... I literally recoiled back on one of the pockets. It's... They made and molded this, but the problem was with the heat in New York, which people don't realise New York is boiling. I mean, you might see the guy might have said, like, you heard me say it was minus 18. Yeah. No stuff like that. Yeah, that's fine. But in the summer, when they shot this, it was hell on hot. So, that's why the prosthetic didn't sit well. And as you said, it shrunk, and it was not to the point where it could only be puppeteered by a child. No one else could fit in it. So, yeah, it could make another one. They didn't have the budget, because there was that rumor, and I don't know if you read that. There's a scene at the beginning where he's checking into the hotel, and you see Dwayne pull out a massive wad of notes, and he starts... That's the budget? That was the budget. That's all they have. Yeah. Oh, yes, I did. I read that. Yes. I forgot about that one. Like I said, from what I could find out, they literally had a budget of about 6K in 1982, which is about 32 grand this year now. And that is less than a student film. It's less than an indie movie. I mean, you're not getting much bang for your buck, but I think they did very well for what they had. 40 years later, we're still talking about this movie. They did something. They definitely did something. And so, doctor number two is dead. And this is where he then goes. We see the flashback scene explaining the separation, the relationship with Iran. He who they stayed with until the, I think, did the lion not kill the father? And the auntie just brushed it off as an accident, and it will just forget about it kind of thing. So, like I say, it kind of sweeps past these things like it's nothing. And you don't even you sort of fall into the chat. Yeah, he did. They both murdered their father. They both murdered their father, and it was ruled as an accident because the auntie backed them up. She was their enabler, basically. She was the one who was saying that they needed to be together and kind of like really cementing this idea that what these doctors have done is the worst thing possible. And then she dies, and that's when they decide, right, okay, plan, we need to get into action and kill doctors. But Dwayne has gone on a date with his lady friend. Yep. And he gets a bit frisky with his lady friend. Practically eats her face. Yeah. Wow. Honestly, that kissing. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. Were they just trying to suck each other? I really don't know what was actually happening. I've got to be honest. When I saw it, I was like, I don't know whether you told them to go all in, or there was something a bit more between them, or I don't know, but it was unpleasant to be a part of. I just kept thinking, who's going in which one's mouth first? Like, I don't know, but bloody hell. But Bileil has a very hard time with this. Yes. This is where the separation anxiety does come in. So I kind of, of all the angles, I kind of get that to a degree because Dwayne does want to live his own life now. He's met this girl, but he doesn't know how to at the same time. So he still comes very torn between his brother and this woman. There's a lot of guilt there. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what it is. And he thought to himself, right, but this one time I'll go and do something for me. And he was being selfish, rightly so, because, you know, spends his life carrying his brother around in the basket. But he wanted to go off and do the state for himself. Yeah. And Bileil was not happy. No, he wasn't. But before that happens, though, he actually sneaks in the bedroom. This is Bileil, by the way. He actually sneaks in the bedroom of KSC and scares the absolute living shit out of it. This was what tickles me about movies is, so KSC has, she's a very glamorous lady. For a lady of the night, she looks very well put together. And then she wears this god awful fucking t-shirt 90 and takes her underwear off and puts it in it just on the floor. She jumps into bed. And within second, she's out like a cat. Now, I didn't think that that was a possible thing to do. I'm a good sleeper. But to instantly jump into bed and go to sleep, I wouldn't have believed it if it wasn't for the last trip that I had with my mother in Paris. Because I watched that woman go, "Can you sit in the lawn for 20 minutes, please?" And then I'm going to have a snooze. So I did it and instantly out. She is out. She is dead to the world. She cannot hear anything that we are saying. And then in 20 minutes later, oh, she's up. And she did that on a night time when we went to bed and she did that on a morning. And I thought, I thought I was a good sleeper. Like, I can sleep on a wash-in line. I obviously get it from her. But yeah, here she is instantly, instantly out to the point where she doesn't feel. It could be hands full. It could be hands full. It could be handed the lyle next to her. Yeah. Until she does. Until she does. Until she dies of her heart. And then she screams the house down, but the lyle gets out. Now, this is where it's almost, it's almost slapstick comedy, how everyone comes out of the building, out of their rooms, into the hallway for the landlord to come up. And then all of them just scatter off. It's so, there's something very comedic about the whole hallway scenes because everyone, if there's a commotion, they're all out there. And that's the crew. That's all the crew. Yeah. Yeah. That's why the active skills in those bits are a little bit. Obviously, there's one or two that are obviously actors, like the female neighbors and things like that. But the majority of those men in the hallway scenes are sound engineers, lightning cameras, boom operators, cameramen. They were just like, like you say, they had about 15 miles per person when they would take on. Well, so, the lyle's had his little meltdown after he's scared, Kasey, over the fact that his brother's getting his end away, which I don't think he does because he then gets a feeling as well. Yes. Stop going animation, but what was that next? I think that's next. I thought it's in a room where he's basically the stop animation part is where the lyle's in a bedroom where he's moving about, where you can see him wandering about. Yeah. And how it gets about. It destroys everything, doesn't it? He throws a chair against the wall. He pulls out the... I must admit, for something very, very small, he's got some power. He's got some biceps going on there. He threw a drawer out of a dresser up against the wall. He got all these papers out and was strewn in them around the room and he lifted a whole bed and was banging it on the floor. Well, the strength I understand when we get into the next kills and the ending, because all I kept thinking of was, you've got one hell of an arm. Your upper body strength must be fucking a man. Yeah, fuck my... Oh, absolutely. And I don't think you needed spinach. He was... He had to have been strong, but it would make sense that he was, because it's the only tendency, like the limbs he has is these hands. So he would have to have had some form of strength there. Yeah. And he was very strong. And so, yeah, it was a great way to show a bile move and in 2024 and 4-care vision, it looks fucking hilarious. It's like you're just missing the Benny Hill music, can't you really? But in 1982, that would have been something, because stop motion was... Yeah, it was a thing. It made sense for the time to be fair to get the point across on the budget that they had. They still had to make a miniature of the room. They still had to make a plastasine blob or whatever they ended up making it out of. And they still had to make many of him and making be able to move and all that sort of thing. So that scene alone must have cost quite a lot. Unless someone from a college or a uni do it from very bloody, which I wouldn't put past him. No, I wouldn't even... I couldn't find anything about that section, like anything about it. So the next bit is where it gets a bit... A bit bleak. A bit dark. So Baliel goes to find Sharon, who is the love interest of Dwayne, who didn't get his underwear by the way, because he had a meltdown. But Baliel... Baliel goes to Sharon's while she's asleep. Sharon's got no claws on. Sharon's boobs. Wow, they were impressive. I'm not knocking at Sharon, nice. She had a fantastic set, but you could see when he grabbed them, you could see the silicone. You could see the actual silicone bag. I don't know if it was the way she was lying, or this is breast implants in 1982, and the knot is what they like today. You could clearly see the silicone in her boob as he... Got it. You can't handling her appendages, yeah. It gets worse. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it got so worse of this next scene, the cast and crew walked out. This is how bad it is. And I don't know if I'm going to be able to see this with a straight face, because the subject matter is not funny. It's not that she's laughing at. I want to be very, very clear. Very, very clear. How it's put into it. Yeah, how it is put out on the screen. It grips her. It's the only way I can see of this. There's a lot of essay involved in this little next situation, but it's... There's a lot of questions that need to how, and a lot of questions that need... He's rocking on her. I know, but there's no reason for that. There's no... He's got nothing. There's nothing there. So she was already dead. No, I just... This is where the whole... I can't say it telepathy telepathy telepathy telepathy telepathy if this is where the whole thing about them being telepaths come in. Because he obviously feels the same way about her that drained us because he's feeling what drained's feeling about her, and obviously where drained didn't get to, shall we say, complete the task. I feel like he took it upon himself to complete the task. But I did have a little spin on it, I suppose, by... Yeah. Yeah, he killed her. When she wakes up and starts screaming, which she does, she wheels the place down. Very loud. Which is entitled, but good God, don't have your bottle on that one. No. Don't turn... Honestly, watch it in subtitles because the level of noise in this is... My ears are sensitive at the best of times because I can barely hear out of one of them. It was even loud for me. Yeah. Yeah, and this is where I figured he's a strong person because he chalks her out with one hand. Yeah. Yeah. And she is gone. Yeah. But Dwayne comes in. Right. He doesn't... He comes in just as he's... Rocky on her rock. Yeah, he's literally... I'm not even joking people. He is lying on her rocking. And I can't unsee that. I think this is where people need to understand this is why it's exploitation. This is why it's class as an exploitation movie. This is why it's class as a grindhouse movie. And this is why it was only on the midnight show in once a day. Yeah. You know, it's not a mainstream movie. This is... This might be to us today, you know, as 2024... Oh, yeah. You know, connoisseurs. We love watching everything and you have to respect where things come from. And so watching this, it would have been a hell of a shock to a 1982 person compared to a 2024 person watching it now. You'd laugh at it and go, "Uh-huh." And probably in 1982, that was the intention. But because it hadn't a bit, something like that wasn't shown. Yeah. And there wasn't... It's not... It's not gonna be a birth to it. Yeah. It's not... I just think you normally would see that when you do. Yeah. So I think it was probably intended to be funny rather than shocking. But it also had that double edge where he didn't care either way how you thought about it. No. And well, the cast included because this is the scene where they walked out. Yeah. They hated the treatment of not the actress because obviously the actress was very well looked after. Yeah. It was the actual character itself. Yeah. They didn't like how it was being... That they didn't like her ending. And they all literally got up and walked out. And Dwayne didn't, though. But Dwayne did. Dwayne takes Baliel with him in a rage. Yeah. They have like this weird little fight which is just waving his arms around while Dwayne holds it like this. It's amazing. Yeah. Just like all flailing all over the place. There's a lot of flailing in this, by the way. A lot of... But he had a full-blown argument as they are going back to the motel in front of everyone, by the way. But it's in the basket so no one can see him yet. And obviously nosy neighbors. They all come out the hallway because of our commotion. And this is the first time they get to see Baliel for the first time ever. And holy shit, if you thought there was screaming before, there's even more screaming going on in this scene. It's so fucking loud. But it gets to the point where the two brothers are really at it. They're really fighting and they fall out of the window. Yeah. This bit is geniously done because it is actually done on the side of the building. He is literally held up on a rake. I will say, this is the most serious part, apart from that last scene. I mean, depending on which eyes you look at it with, if you've seen it with the comedy eyes or if you've seen it with whatever, put that to a side. This bit is probably, I would say, the saddest part of the movie. Because they realize that neither of them can live without each other. But they don't want to die either. And then it's like he's trying to rescue his brother. And he's killing him at the same time. He's not intentionally, yeah. To me, it didn't feel like he intentionally needed his hands wanted to be there. But for Baliel, it's all he can do is to grab under his neck. Hold on. And then he was technically hanging his brother. Yeah, because that's where he had him. So he's clinging on to the sign that's on the side of the hotel, Baliel. Bear in mind, blob two arms, right? Hold it onto this thing. Best way to imagine it is like the poo emoji with hands. Yeah, that's such a good way to describe it. And he's holding on to the sign here, and he's holding on to his brother, because bear in mind, they've fallen out of a three, four story window, right? And they are hanging on by a thread. And Baliel is doing everything you can, because he doesn't want his brother to die. And that's the side bit when you realize at the end that this would have to happen, because they couldn't go on the way they were. No, nobody would be able to accept them. No, they have to move to the middle of nowhere. They would literally have to live, like them people did in X files, because it would be the only way they would have any piece. But that scene right there is doing the actor hanging from the side of a building just literally being held up by a crayon. There's nothing. There's not a green screen effect here. He's literally hanging from that building. The ladies of the night at the bottom of the street, who the fuck taught them that? No one, they gave him a tenet to go and stand there and go, Oh, what is that? What is that? Oh, God, it's probably one of the most emotional parts of the movie. Yeah, I will say that if you do, if you are someone that has feelings unlike me, you would watch that and you would go, Oh, that's, that's, that's, oh, that's really sad. Whereas I couldn't go, Oh, yeah, I get where they were going. That was pretty sad, but I'm not like, Oh, no, this time I didn't normally, I am the emotional wreck out of the two of us, but not this time. They do then end up falling to them, he's already died first. They do end up falling to their deaths, the lie, and the movie ends. Yeah, it that it happened. It's just, it's not the longest to fill in snow. But in our 91 minutes, though, I find it, I can't tell you other than what we said, really, there's not that much that happens. There's not not a good, no, there's nothing that we missed out. There's one that we missed out. There's a scene in the cinema, where the guy nicks the basket when he falls asleep in the cinema, because below kept him up all night. Yeah. And then he tries to steal what's in the basket, and then he gets his face ripped, like scratched and by the lion and runs out of the toilet screaming. But that one scene, but that's that's neither here nor there. It doesn't add anything to the, to the, no, and there's another death. There's another killer we missed with the guy who's because Dwayne flaunts his money about, and one of the guys who was down at the reception area, he clocked it and broke into his room. He'd already attempted to try and break in before, but Casey stopped him. Yeah, the keyhole guy, and he does eventually get in and the lion gets him. He gets him, he gets him good. The role of Casey actually was, it wasn't meant to be, it was meant to be something and nothing. She was literally just meant to walk in the room and always got a sex worker living next to our room. But he absolutely loved Beverly's performance just with that one wink, and she was in every single one of his movies. Every single one. There's the fact that he was quoted as saying that if he put the sex worker in there, it showed the tone of the establishment. I was like, dude, you just had to open your eyes when he was walking up the stairs to know what kind of tone of an establishment was there. There didn't have to be a sex worker. You didn't have to put her in there, but, you know, it worked. It worked. It worked. I was sorry, gone. No, I was just going to say just, it didn't, it didn't make sense for tonal purposes. Yeah, she could have been anyone. It was a shithole. So it was an absolute dank. It was disgusting. The bar scene. Can we remember a bar scene? I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't remember. So apparently there was a bar scene, and it was shot in an S&M club in Manhattan called The Hellfire Club. And the only thing that they had to do was the crew, because the workers, the worker said you can use it, but if you don't want the sex sewing and the toys to be in shot, you have to move them. So yeah, it's in the flashback. Well, The Hellfire Club is an actual club that actually existed in olden times. And the, if you ever go to High Wicom, The Hellfire Caves are beneath, they dug into the chalk caves there, and they go right down about 300 feet down into the earth where they used to have their Hellfire Club meetings. And there's like, they used to have orgies and bank quits and all sorts of stuff. And Ben Franklin came over from America, and he was involved in the Hellfire Club here. That's where it was established here. So, Stranger Things, sorry, rip off, mate. The Hellfire Club was from 17, 1800s, whatever that it was. So when you're wearing your Hellfire T-shirt from Stranger Things, I mean, I actually have a couple of them. Remember where it came from? Yeah. It's not a cool deal, do you name it? You have to cross the River of Sticks to get into there where you stay. Now it doesn't exist, but the River of Sticks used to separate the orgie, the main bank, or from the rest of the, not the main bank, but the main banquet halls there, then they had like a big room down the very, very end that was for the orgies, and then they had the banquet hall in the middle. If you want to know what that looks like, the Grim Life Collective have just done a video on the Hellfire, also Ghost Adventures. No, exactly. Some things you don't understand, understand, understand. Yeah, him. They do an episode there, and it's the funniest piece of dog shit I've ever watched in my life. So if you ever want to go and watch something just purely for chips and giggles, that's a good episode. But the Hellfire Caves are insane, and the hearts are, the hearts of the guys that died that were in the Hellfire Club are allegedly buried in, put into these urns that are, there's a church at the very top of the hill, which the Hellfire Club's under, and they have this whole massive great big sort of mausoleum bit that you can't get into, but you can see through. Yeah. And in the walls, there's all these urns, and apparently all the hearts of the members are inside these urns, started around. I mean, how to do that? So that's amazing. I'm actually going to, it's on my list, I've been trying to catch up with their adventures in England. I probably go and watch it after this. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much they cover in it because I haven't actually watched it, but that's just stuff that I know is the Hellfire Club only around the corner from me when I was growing up. If I know Jessica and Michael's videos as well as I think I do, you know what they're going to do with justice. Yeah, they did tell me when I was speaking to them at Horrocon about it, and I said, "Oh, you need to go to the Hellfire Caves?" And they were like, "Yeah, we've just done that video." I was like, "It's what I like to hear." Brilliant. This movie is not, it's not the best movie. It's not by far the worst movie, but it is, it has its place in horror history. Jewel Bob Briggs, fucking loves this movie. Yeah, it's one of his favorite films, and I can understand why people like it. I get it. If you are a grind house exploitation lover, then this is right up your street. I mean, for me, I love the monster idea of it all, and I like that he's a conjoined twin that... It's all different. Yeah, I like it. It's not your typical monster. And I wrote a point where we've seen monsters, and we've seen monsters, and we've seen monsters, and monsters, and monsters. This guy is a monster. It is a proper monster movie in respect of that. The main bad guy or empathetic character is a monster, and that's something that we can't do now. We cannot do as a movie. That is a sweeping statement, so I'm sorry, Mike. I know you will correct me on that one, but... Sorry, my girl. Yeah, sorry, Mike. But I don't think we can do as well. I'll rephrase it. I think I can't think of one single monster movie that's come out in the last four or five years off the top of my head that most made me sit back and go, "Wow, that's different. I haven't seen anything like that. And I'm not talking about revisiting an old film I haven't seen before. I'm talking like a brand new release in the last four or five years. By all means, correct me if I'm wrong, please message the page, message... I'm sure Mike will tell me that he'll list a thousand of them, because, you know, the horror asylum that he does run, he watches a lot of movies. Yeah, he knows his... He knows his shirk. Yeah. Do you think, before we start to wrap this up, do you think they could potentially do this now? I think they could, but it's how they do it. And do you think Blumhouse would get involved? I can get my leopard tips on it. Yeah, he ain't got a single new idea in that man's head. He didn't just, Jason Blum, just nuts. I am getting their mind. I hear the fact that I am getting there. I am starting to understand. It's not for me to tell people to hate them. This is a person. No, I'm... No, you've never done that. I just... You'll never take up your death day away from us. No, I mean, the thing is, right, you get the odd one that comes along that's a Blumhouse, and you go, okay. Then he flogs it to death. Yeah, you do. I'm sure that was Blumhouse, the original purge was a Blumhouse movie. I'm just going to say yes and agree with you. Now, the original one, I thought the first one was fantastic. Unlike anything you'd ever seen at the time. But when you had five or six sequels of that, and you're at a point where you're just like, I don't need to see it anymore. It's the same thing happening over and over again. And don't they have a TV show as well? It is Blumhouse. Yeah. But this is the thing, he'll take what, like, happy death day. Did you need happy death day too? No, you didn't. No, you didn't. It was actually perfect by itself. Like, honest, as the first one, it's perfect. It's a brilliant slasher movie. And then when he goes into the thing of where he's exhausted, flogging a good movie to death, he'll then pick a movie that was already made, and remake it for no reason. That's a good guess. It's a possibility. I mean, he will do it badly, and he will make PG-17 choices on a lot of the... Yeah. I'm actually really surprised it hasn't already been attempted. Nobody's really gone into that style of monster movie, like, in my that I can think of right now. I mean, I know that if we're talking about exploitation, Laija Wood, like I said, remade maniac, which is the one of the guy that goes around and scaps women and then keeps their scaps on mannequins. Will you all going to cover this? Please tell me, I don't get to see that. Yeah. It's an original and then Laija Wood plays the maniac in the thing. And I'm sure it's... No, I've heard you said it was brilliant. Yeah. I'm sure his company remade his one that he did. But that was a way of taking a low budget movie, an exploitation film that had no money, and even then having a relatively low budget to remake it, but keeping it in the same wheelhouse, but obviously having more money, but not going to a place where you're taking away from the original, the kills, you know, it's different. It's people. I kind of understand that you can't CG too much. Yeah. I feel like if Blumhouse was to get their hands on Laija now, it would be nothing but CG. Yeah. It would be a CG blob that could suddenly grow legs and walk. Or it probably would make them walk. Yeah, they probably would find a way for them to be able to walk. The most charming part about Baliel is unapologetic ugliness of him. He never puts any lipstick on. No, doesn't tart himself up or anything like that. He doesn't even run as ugly as that turd, does he? No, he doesn't. Oh, have you got any more on basket kits? I don't. I mean, I haven't done it. I feel like because there's going to be a lot of moves like this where we both sit here and we're like, what the hell did we do? We feel like it's such a good idea at the time. The majority of them are going to be 80s jobs as well. So they're going to be so far removed from sanity that we are going to sit there and go. Do you think the blobs ruined us? Do you think we're taking chances on these movies because of how we reacted to the blob? Yes and no. I mean, I do think to a degree, yes, but then in the same vein that if anybody has watched into The Darkness, which I know I've mentioned many a time, one, two, and three, if you haven't watched it, watch it so good. It is literally 12 hours. So for any of you that have need, you haven't got a good attention span. Everyone is about four hours long. They interview all of the actors that were in the movies that they get hold of, that they talk about, and it spans from the 80s. I want to say they finished the 90s, but I think they got to mid 90s. I don't think they're fully complete. I think we're only in the mid 90s in number three. But I know Cori Taylor had a hand in the first one. He got it made Cori Taylor from Slipknot. Yeah. And then Elvira, Cassandra Peterson had a hand in making the third one. The people of the horror industry, and I know you might say Cori's not part of the horror industry, but however, Cori is a huge part of the horror industry. And the horror community, I should say, not industry, but community. And they've all played a part in making this happen. This is kind of like, this is your encyclopedia. This is your visual encyclopedia for horror. It literally covers everything. And it is so well put together. The interviews, the people, it is brilliantly done. So I have a lot of movies they pick in this that I think we will be watching purely because it's horror history. It's something that I feel like as a horror fan, I'm not an elitist in any way, right? You know what you like? I like what I like. I really am going to give you a lecture if you like something I don't. It's really, I'm not going to force the issue if you don't like it. That's cool. Hey. I like broken letters club dread. Not everyone's fucking cup of tea, but I'm still like it. But like, I feel like you have to, with any genre of movie, film, music, you have to be able to go back and listen to stuff or watch stuff from way back when to get a gauge on how we got to where we are now. Yeah. Which in some cases you wish we'd stayed in some of those previous eras because what we get now is dog shit. But it's all down to personal preference and personal taste. But if you are someone that would like to know about your horror movie history a bit more, the best way to do it without having to spend hours on the internet is literally watching one, two, three of Into the Darkness. They're all on Shudder. I'm pretty sure if you're a Shudder subscriber, they're for free. They are. They are. You can buy them individually. I did. I bought because I saw the second, the first one on Shudder, and because on one of my birthdays, a few years ago, it was in a lockdown situation, I bought the second one and they wished me a happy birthday. They are lovely, lovely people. And if you go and follow Into the Darkness, you will find that they don't hide anything from anyone, whatever's coming out, whoever they're working with, they always have some way for you to participate, for you to pre-order. Everything's kind of like the Corey Taylor one was like a VHS set and everything, wasn't it? It was something special. It was, yeah, it was something really special. It's made by, it's technically funded by fans, but made by people who, it's like a GoFundMe in a way, but it's not. But they really know what they're talking about. And I know they interview Barbara Crampton, I think the latest films, Bill Mosley, so many of the 80s. Because it starts at the 80s and 80s. So you get your, you get an education in horror and I feel like everybody should watch those movies. Absolutely. I feel like we're trying to do our own little education in horror, but because we don't, I don't know if anyone's noticed, but we do jump all over the place. We never stay in one place for too long. Well, we're trying to learn as we go along as well, because some of these, I mean, I think I've seen, I would say, it's fair to say, 85 to 90% of the films that we've covered, I have seen before. However, there's the odd one that creeps in and surprises you like, the blob. You know, I didn't know that existed. So when I went to watch it, I was kind of taken aback. And I think this happened maybe once or twice in the 50s. This will be episode 55, I think. That's only 55 episodes. That's not a bad, not a bad run-ins that I'm not really knowing what I'm talking about. I dare say 35, because I, I am such a creature of habit. What you see on my wall right now is me in horror. And I'm not ashamed to say like, I, I'm very much like the exorcist and stuff like that. Like these are my, I mean, you can't see up there, but I do have a reanimator poster up there. Um, but these, these are my wheelhouse of horror. And this is where I stay, the omen is again somewhere where I stay. So I'm loving the fact that I'm adventuring outside of my comfort zone. And the, the, the most excited I got was when we did the, I know we mentioned the blob nearly every time we do an episode, but I can't stress enough to you how that changed things for us. It did. It really reset my, um, not passion for the podcast, but passion to know what's next, what more is out there. I can, what I can watch and take in and without going too low budget constantly. Because I feel like there are some crackers there. And there's a hell of a lot of movies that we are yet to, to cover. But then you put your under the radar ones like the sleep away camp. We did like basket case, like the blob like there's so many that we will get to. I'm sure we get to chard. I'm sure we'll get to tonight of the demons. I'm sure we'll get to so many of those movies that came out. Um, but they are an education in Harlem. They are, they are an education and they have a place in horror history. So they have a place cited about because that set a tone and set a precedent for other movie makers that say that they watch that film and that's what inspired them to become who they are. Um, and, and that for me. Could you see what's going on behind me? Jar Jar's got a life of his own. Yeah. It's Binks trying to fight them. Yeah. Binks he's trying to, he's not just trying to fight. It's not this Jar Jar he's trying to fight. It's this Jar Jar. Yep. He's trying to, he's, he's sweeping at him. Sorry. Had a commotion going on behind us. I always seem to have a fucking commotion going on around us at some point. And, but no, Dan's right. Everything. You know what we're doing is, is, is our little history lesson and we are doing it for, for ourselves, but also presenting it to you people. Our monster fiends. Well, speaking of movies I've never seen before. Next week set the sword. You introduce it, you picked it. Good old Mick. For those, those of you who know Mick, you're going to be very, very happy we're doing this one. It's loosely based on a true story. That's how she got me. And we will be introducing you to the world of Wolf Creek. Our bloody love Mick. I, I love milk. Milk milk. Oh, God. It's that bad now. Yeah. I love milk. Yes. That's going to be my new slogan. I want to have a t-shirt with it on and everything. I love milk. Oh, no, that's what's going to be. So, me t-shirt, you know, the whole disclaimer and that the bath don't be a dick and at the bottom is going to put, I love milk. So, put it on that one big t-shirt. It's, it's, it's not monsters in the morning, like last week. This is monster. No, this is monster. No, this is, this, like we are back the Thursday as the, the vibes changed. Yeah. I don't look as young as I did, apparently, because this is what I looked very young last week. Well, I just got up. I didn't have a day of stress on me. And now, we've had a full week of work. Well, someone's got one more day to go. It's not me. Um, yeah, it's not Friday morning. It's Thursday night. This is why I can't remember names. Who are you? I don't know. I never know. Question at this time of night, isn't it? So, yeah, Wolf Creek. I'm excited. Dan got me. I mean, I was excited anyway, because, um, I'm wanting to explore. It is werewolves, right? No. Oh, fuck. I thought it was a werewolf movie. I was like, I wanted to more explore more werewolves. This is eight, four. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. It's, it's not even a slash show. It's, it's in that genre. Okay. I haven't heard of it. I just not, I've just not looked into it. Yeah. Still can't have to kill that out back, Australia, Mick. I feel like I'm going to get to know Mick a lot, a good deal during this. Yeah. You'll either love it or hate it and John Jarrett just plays Mick. Perfectly. Well, that's next week, people. We are on YouTube every Monday at eight o'clock. However, the audio for this episode is available on a Tuesday. Why Tuesday? Because I do it then. As Dan doesn't, I put them up on a Tuesday, not just this episode, but every episode associated with nerdy of north goes up on Tuesday. Um, please remember, like, share, and subscribe and hit the notification bell so you never miss any episode from the nerdy of north crew. The descriptions, the descriptions, the description, the links are in the links for nerdy up north, bleeder marvellous, and monsters up north are way down. It's a good job, she fucking knows. They're right down there. Do you know how effective that looks, actually? I actually watched it the other day and it really does work when you lean in over and pointing downwards. Sorry. There's been a lot of hands in this for this episode. There in the description below. Um, I think that's it. I feel like we've done more. This has been a journey. It's gotten better than I thought. It really doesn't have the best thing. I was, I remember when we did sleepwear camp and I was so nervous because sleepwear camp, like, has some really dodgy stuff in there to talk about. And I didn't know how it was going to go across, but it was one of the best fucking episodes. Like, I fucking loved doing that episode. It was so funny. And I really enjoyed this one. I hope you're going, you don't take the fact of all the laugh and then everything that we did is we're shitting on this movie. I really hope that's not how you take it. I don't care if I take it. Nah. Not this time of night, anywhere. Nah. Yep. If there's nothing else left to see, say goodbye, Dan. I love milk. Stay spooky, everyone. Bye. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, please don't. - No, please don't. - No, please don't. (screaming) - No! (screaming) (upbeat rock music) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [BLANK_AUDIO]