After being mentioned in a podcast by some of her favorite thought leaders, Jen explains her idea of first pancakes, and she and Pete thrash about the relationship between creativity and courage.

Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

• What is Jen's first pancake idea, and how does it manifest itself in every day life?
• Why does it take courage to be creative?
• Why might the mistakes or failures be necessary for eventual success?

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