Pete tells Jen a story from grade two, and the two unpack the possibilities of a story told with empathy, with the goal of enrolling someone in change. 

Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

• How might a story be a powerful way to create change?
• In what ways might one create agency and enrollment through storytelling?
• How might empathy be used to build a bridge from real to ideal?

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